How to Make Ink Fill Brass Machine Plates! WW156

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Making Etched Brass, Ink Fill Powder Coated Machine Plates for the DIY Repeat o Meter. These plates look great for any machine restoration build project!
Ed made a small acrylic box with an agitator and heater to accelerate the etching process.
Bill of Materials:
Super Glue: amzn.to/2eKhjpV
Super Glue Accelerator: amzn.to/2uSQAO9
Brass: bit.ly/2utw7id
Lacquer: amzn.to/2tFOguq
VM&P Naptha: amzn.to/2tFM2eB
Powder Coat Gun (We use): amzn.to/2eKv8Vb
Powder Coat Gun (No Air Compressor Required): ebay.to/29vUtvc
Thanks to the Zane State Idea Lab: bit.ly/2utENou
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@arduinoversusevil2025 7 лет назад

Very nice results! I'll try this with my drawing robot. Thanks for the inspiration!

@factotumindustries 7 лет назад

Or vinyl cutter resist.

@tjesse 7 лет назад

AvE if you glue the sand paper to a flat work surface and rub your plate on to it you will have a cleaner paint removal on the proud spots. Love your videos.

@defaultuser000 5 лет назад

That peroxide and hydrochloric acid mixture doesn't become cupric chloride until there is some copper etched and reacted with the mixture, hence the cupric part, then it will turn green. The initial mixture is just acid and an oxidizer, which is a very good etchant on its own, as you've displayed here. Awesome looking plates. 👍

@gredangeo 7 лет назад

Mr. Mackey's best choice of tool.

@jeffsutter5982 5 лет назад

Stunning. We pay a print shop to make our machine tags and these look so much better. I can't wait to show the guys at work this video. We have a laser, and the tooling to make these... Thank you for sharing this process! I always wondered about those old tags.

@cheif10thumbs 7 лет назад

That was cool! BITD I worked for a company that refurbished telephone switching racks. Those plates were EVERYWHERE. Until now it never occurred to me how they were made. This is why I watch your vids John! Thank you again.

@TheWreckingYard 7 лет назад

If you have access to a laser printer (but not a laser cutter) look up toner transfer paper for another way of creating the etch resist. How the stuff I last bought worked was that you got specially coated paper, you laser print onto it, use a heat source like a clothes iron or modified laminator to fuse the toner to the metal. The paper I bought had a water soluble coating on it that dissolved and released the paper from the toner. Pretty much the same result as burning off the paint to create the etch resist.

@MatthewRulla 7 лет назад

Laser printer on thin-glossy magazine paper, transfer with clothes iron to clean metal. Wash paper backing off in kitchen sink and etch with any acid you like.

@JGnLAU8OAWF6 6 лет назад

Or use UV sensitive photoresist and print on transparent plastic sheet.

@stoparret 7 лет назад

This is great. I love that Tom has a good sense of humour for being joshed about his verbal tick. It used to drive me crazy, but now it just makes me chuckle. Great job! ...and +1 for Inkscape!

@pauljones3866 7 лет назад

Great tip about powder coating with the heat gun. Thanks for the video.

@W4AX 3 года назад

I just did my first metal equipment plate using exactly your instructions. It turned out better than I expected and I learned a lot. I’m sure I can get closer to perfection after a couple more tries. Thank you very much for a very detailed and wonderful video.

@tomthumb3085 7 лет назад

Brilliant short video: very interesting to watch an learn from.

@ericwolf5874 7 лет назад

Very cool project! I just bought my first machine today, a vintage Brown & Sharpe #2 surface grinder. It will need some love and TLC to include restoring the plates. I think I may be able to use some of the processes you guys used. BTW, Happy HASS day John

@CajunSmack 7 лет назад

Love your podcast with "the other John". And that's how I've found your videos. Cheers!

@ShopperPlug 3 года назад

That really does look like a professional sign.

@GregsGarage 7 лет назад

Wonderful how-to guys. Thanks for sharing with us!!!

@adamcain4603 7 лет назад

Wow John that looks like it was bought right out of the Starrett catalog, very nice

@TAWPTool 7 лет назад

Aaahhhh... Did I detect a hint of a DIY laser printer kit? I'm in! Great video and impressive results. Ed is a natural for NYC CNC videos. More!

@jameshickman5299 4 года назад

And for those of us who don't have laser engravers, CNC mills, big shears, and spray guns.... There's photo etching, hand shears, files, model paint, and patience. BTW...I have an old degree wheel, for timing cams. It was made by photo etching the markings on a printed circuit board. But the board was tinted blue, so you have copper markings on this blue fiberglass material. It's really cool looking. I don't need a degree wheel anymore, I'm gonna turn it into a clock.

@kuteken6312 6 лет назад

It's does put a smile on my face..Well done sire!! Superb work!

@jimzivny1554 7 лет назад

Nice project, it's one of the things that's almost impossible when restoring an older machine. I found a fifty lb base for a 40's bandsaw but looking for nameplates for a year!

@86c5corvette 7 лет назад

That was awesome. Turned out great and looks vintage.

@thermmaloverload 6 лет назад

Looks great I’ve done similar using stencil spray ink as a resist and electrolysis etching instead of the acid

@BluesDoctor 7 лет назад

Great technique to polish off custom projects! Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to reviewing Wednesday's Widget, have a special project for that great tool. As always appreciate the quality and key unsight you bring to your channel.

@thegreatga 7 лет назад

Looks very professional.

@DieselRamcharger 7 лет назад

LOL he can't say burn and laser without cheesing. That is a man that loves what he does!

@JunkWorkshop 7 лет назад

Nice, straight and clear. Thank you for sharing

@EastCoastWoodworking 7 лет назад

Great video John very useful information for real world use. Thanks

@clintw438 7 лет назад

Nice work Ed! Looks great

@tigeriii6908 7 лет назад

Long ago and far away, I spent some time at a graphics manufacturer where etched tags were a weekly task. A small difference in their process may be applicable and speed your results. Don't remove the resist after the etch; paint over the entire plate. After the color is applied, soak, dip, scrub the plate in resist remover. At least with the enamel we used, the paint separated cleanly at the resist line. Using this technique, we were able to highly polish the tag first and protect that polished surface through the entire process, revealing it at the end with resist/paint removal. May not work with powder coating.

@JeffCowan 7 лет назад

That's a real touch of class!

@jimsvideos7201 7 лет назад

Those are gorgeous.

@SebastiaanMollema 7 лет назад

Nice plates, cool to see the process!

@886014 7 лет назад

Awesome John! Been super busy lately and it looks like I have some catching up on NYC footage to do!

@ROBRENZ 7 лет назад

That was excellent! ATB, Robin

@ZigZagStardust 7 лет назад

That really came out good

@Dumbc0mment 4 года назад

Very beautiful

@KipKiperMusic 7 лет назад

Really cool! Also if you're in a pinch, baby powder can work as an accelerant for CA glue.

@chestervaldes7551 7 лет назад

Also baking soda, but do a little testing because it can cause very fast (read instantaneous) hardening. I've used baking soda to create a filet filler for a strong corner joint, then add the super glue- instant hard, strong corner joint.

@kitingmare 7 лет назад

jup, works like a charm when you dont mind the white seam

@johnranalletta9249 7 лет назад

Same with baking soda. Hardens like a rock, but creates unsightly lump. Works instanteously, i.e. no working time.

@alexanderrode6983 7 лет назад

Looks great! Nice work.

@Justplanecrazy25 7 лет назад

Very cool project! I wonder how well this method would work using a vinyl cutter rather than the laser. I'll have to give it a try and report back!

@thephotographicauditor6715 7 лет назад

Justplanecrazy25 It's very difficult for vinyl cutters to cut cleanly below 3/8". New/sharp blades are a must, and a v-e-r-y slow speed.

@metalbadgealuminumnameplat2989 4 года назад

Good video. Very clear.

@ShadonHKW 7 лет назад

Mmmkay ... Tom's gonna love that! priceless!

@buildmotion1426 7 лет назад

Looks like one more awesome thing I need to try! Thanks John.

@RoboCNCnl 7 лет назад

very cool project ! this should also be possible with stainless/inox somehow ! Cool cool cool

@HowlinMadBob 3 года назад

looking for paint application ideas and although it looks amazing, that is a labor intensive process for such a small imbellishment on a product!

@Regalmetalworks 7 лет назад

That is really slick! love it!

@rachelmarieLMT 6 лет назад

Frank Ippolito is so damn talented! I wish i had his creativity and artistic ability. Hes one of those people that is annoyingly good at everything he tries. He also seems like a genuinely nice guy. I sound like a school girl with a crush lol.

@AmishSolanki 7 лет назад

Damn, that turned out amazing!!

@carlosmanuelgonzalez310 2 года назад

These kind of plates have been in use for a very long time, when there were no CNC or lasers available. How was it done back then?!

@outputcoupler7819 7 лет назад

Laser ablating black paint is a really handy technique for all sorts of stuff. I use it to etch copper clad board without bothering with any of the messy photographic stuff. It's awesome. 20W is probably overkill, though. My 6W diode laser does great. You could probably do it with less than that if you slowed the laser down enough.

@lordgarak 7 лет назад

Diodes and CO2 lasers are different beast so its hard to compare based on wattage. But you are likely correct in that 20W is more than enough. It just allows the machine to move faster.

@outputcoupler7819 7 лет назад

They're definitely different, but mostly just in the "CO2 is better" way. Diodes produce horrible beam profiles, usually a long, thin rectangle with wings. The frequencies are also usually not well absorbed by most materials, being visible and all, so you _must_ use black paint. CO2 lasers produce nice, circular beams with 10.6 um wavelengths that are absorbed nicely by just about everything. So anything a diode laser can do, a CO2 laser can do with less power. But I'm pretty sure 20W is about as small as CO2 lasers come.

@alexreeve 7 лет назад

Cool! You could maybe also use Photoresist when you dont have a laser. Its very common for etching circuit boards :)

@centurialinc 7 лет назад

That was cool! Loved it. Best Matt

@keithlane4343 5 лет назад

Another great video. Very cool. I like using the new tech to remake old tech parts to keep the machines original, or original looking. You mentioned "Maker Space" . Is there a directory of Maker Spaces across the country where someone could take their projects to work on them and either use other people's equipment , or hire other people to perform needed procedures for projects? Take care. Keep up the interesting content.

@MLFranklin 6 лет назад

Nice project.

@hadinossanosam4459 5 лет назад

2:10 "cupric chloride, which is a mix of (...) hydrogen peroxide and (...) muriatic acid"... Yeah, that doesn't quite seem right?

@scienceguy8 3 года назад

The copper comes from the brass. Once you've made this echant, you can keep using it over and over again by adding oxygen to recharge it (either add a little hydrogen peroxide or bubble air through it).

@nedgligich 5 лет назад

Love the idea of using lacquer as a resist, lots of other applications are pouring in to try... Few questions, I will end up trying if you do not. How would the powder coat react to the laser. If the powder coat does not burn off, how about painting instead of powder coat? My thoughts are as follows, leave the labels on a whole sheet. Use a template/jig to position sheet in laser engraver. Include a 1mm cut line to etch, then after etching, re coat with paint, then burn off cut line, this time with some dashes to hold labels together and re etch. then place in laser jig and burn of paint over text and borders etc. might save time on setting up router/mill, let us know if you give it a go.

@nedgligich 5 лет назад

Another idea, FYI I do not own a laser cutter/engraver, yet. I saw a guy lowering his laser power to heat perspex to a point that it bends bends under its own weight. have you tried fusing the powder coat onto the plates, even adding additional colors for borders or text and baking them with the laser?

@onlooker52 6 лет назад

Great technique - I must give this a try!🤔👍

@djberg3483 7 лет назад

That name plate! SOOOO GOOOD! Please tell me your sending a unit to Tom with that plate!

@outsidescrewball 7 лет назад

Enjoyed....awesome

@PracticalRenaissance 7 лет назад

I need a laser now.... Great job Ed!

@Phantomthecat 7 лет назад

What happened t the rest of the repeat o meter build? Seem to have jumped to the end with all the in between goodness missing?

@intagliode 7 лет назад

Nice video format John! I bet its freed up a ton of your time taking on someone to do your editing for you!

@cliffchism9187 5 лет назад

That's pretty awesome. Now, I'm going to put a plate like that on the CNC router that I built. My only wonder is whether I can get rid of the lacquer with multiple passes on my little 3 watt laser. I'll just have to give it a try and if it doesn't work, it'll be the perfect justification to build the CO2 laser I've been thinking about...LOL

@davesage9190 7 лет назад

Question:I like the idea of heating the powder coat with the heatgun. But the powder coat paint I have says it needs to be baked for 20-30 minutes after it flows out to properly cure (cross link they call it). So I assume it worked ok for you and was properly hardened with such a short application of heat??

@shawnolson8222 7 лет назад

That was sweet........ Love the video.

@jon_byler Год назад

was the back side of the brass plate coated with lacquer, or did you just etch that away when you did the front?

@EliteHydronics. 5 лет назад

Outstanding fellas ! kind regards dave

@albertquintero6624 5 лет назад

I really like the font that was used on this project, what's the name of it? Great video by the way!

@Rafael-s2e9l 4 месяца назад

The lacquer looks black when you sprayed it, is clear or black. Great video….

@PeterWMeek 7 лет назад

Serious style points.

@jwmachining5955 7 лет назад

Very Nice!

@islamn799 6 лет назад

Thank you for showing CNC engraving on brass but CNC machine can engraving on any object like wood, acrylic, SS,brass, aluminum, hardboard, paperboard anything but I want to see your sheet sharer or sheet cut off machine.is it hydraulic driven or hand driven. thank you very much.

@iforms9061 4 года назад

I'm doing that either with Fe2CL3 or engraving bits. You do not need a laser if you use a photosensitive spray and some printed clear film. UV lamp it and etch it.

@gatekeeper84 7 лет назад

Would it be possible to fill the plates with nail polish? It comes in a wide arrange of colors and there are iridescent, glitter and shimmer varieties.

@hilltopmachineworks2131 7 лет назад

Neat stuff.

@eskerinola5845 4 года назад

I have a small CNC plotter that could attach a laser module. What is the minimum laser power to burn the coating? What is the minimum thickness in the drawing (= detail) you can get out of this laser? Thanks

@rcpilot82 7 лет назад

Great Video, 2 questions; 1. where did you get the small gun for the powder coater (mine is too big and would dump powder all over that plate) 2. when you painted the brass, did you also paint the back side? if not , what happened to the back side after etching? Thanks!

@pheenix42 6 лет назад

'making at its' core' IS the hacked together, home shop project.

@Usman.Sanaullah 4 года назад

very long process but looks really good at the end!

@stefanweigel6593 Год назад

Good video, We use automatic chemical etching machines, its fast, cheap and easy to make plates without use of skill people, We use Etchcut machines from India, hope it helps

@DeanBateman 4 года назад

Did you paint the back to stop it etching? Or only the front

@agentgreengnome 7 лет назад

If you don't have access to a laser, masking can be done with photo-lithography using a normal inkjet printer, transparency film, dry film photo resist and a laminater

@thomashenderson3901 5 лет назад

Can you add a bit more detail to this please, cos it sounds like my level of attainability!

@pcross84 6 лет назад

What about doing like a textured faux leather type print in the inside where it's red? I think I remember seeing plates from the 60s like that.

@jasonstokes5469 7 лет назад

Sweet!

@lordgarak 7 лет назад

It seems like the long and labor intensive way to do this but the results are pretty damn good. I'm wondering if you could get a similar result using a engraving end mill on the 440 rather than the mask, laser and etch. The finish in the bottom is going to be filled with powered coat anyway, so you just need clean edges. Also could you use a mill to take off the powder coat rather than sand by hand? I love the idea of using a heat gun to powder coat. I think I'll have to invest in a powder coating gun now.

@wald3mar 7 лет назад

NYC CNC True. I occasionally make these small epoxy infilled plaques for a friend's amplifier builds: wrbl.tumblr.com/post/159564517290/a-hi-fi-buff-friend-of-mine-was-commissioned-to The end mills I use can be as small as 0.3mm - a world of ballache when they start breaking..!

@edrees3874 7 лет назад

Those look fantastic! I love the font and overall aesthetic.

@wald3mar 7 лет назад

Thanks Ed. Very kind of you to say so. (Font is Moonshiner by Mattox Schuler).

@gerardmullan7222 6 лет назад

Waldemar, what CNC machine do you have?

@wald3mar 6 лет назад

Hi Gerard - I have a couple of home built machines, a small mill you can see here: wrbl.tumblr.com/mill-build and a larger gantry style router you can see here: www.mycncuk.com/threads/11266-3-Axis-900x500mm I'm soon to re-build the larger router (adding a second ball-screw to the long axis - it's racking a bit)

@siggyincr7447 7 лет назад

I wonder how many of these mmmkay-o-meters they are planning on making. If they are going to make a lot, a simple coining die could stamp these tags far more simply.

@andrewgill4180 7 лет назад

What type of laser was that? I really enjoyed this video

@whiskeymademedoit8130 7 лет назад

With proper alignment you can etch the front mask like you did and then on the back mask etch the outline and screw holes. Once both sides are etched by laser proceed to acid etch as usual. This would give you a profile and cut out in one step. Its a common technique in photo chemical machining.

@ajtrvll 7 лет назад

AWESOME!!

@morethanthesum6318 7 лет назад

Thanks for the awesome video! I have been avoiding etching my own circuit boards because I don't know how to dispose of the etching solution. How do you guys dispose of it afterwards?

@edrees3874 7 лет назад

As more copper is dissolved the solution self-regenerates. Just re-oxygenate via additional peroxide, or by running the bubbler for a few hours. When disposal is finally needed, I just add aluminum to precipitate the toxic copper out of the solution, neutralize with baking soda, and store it in a 5 gallon bucket until chemical collection day. Be careful adding aluminum to this, the reaction is quite exothermic!

@morethanthesum6318 7 лет назад

Ed Rees thanks! I think I've got it.

@127069 7 лет назад

thankyou

@MaxWattage 7 лет назад

Oooh burn! I hope Tom Lipton's got a good sense of humour. :-)

@dallenfarmer 7 лет назад

Did you cover the back of the metal to prevent the etching liquid from etching the back?

@bcbloc02 7 лет назад

I came here for Mr. Mackey!

@born2ryde05 7 лет назад

Ed mentioned he set the laser at 20 watts--was this on a fiber laser or CO2? Any idea which model of laser? Thanks in advance, John.

@edrees3874 7 лет назад

CO2. Laser is from Rabbit Laser USA

@born2ryde05 7 лет назад

thanks!

@johnacsyen 5 лет назад

What is the font used? Looks so retro

@phantomlord71usa 7 лет назад

LOL looks like John's next purchase will be a laser engraver. Actually I've been looking for one myself here at home. I've seen some fairly decent desktop size 15 - 40 watt ones available on ebay between $290 to $430

@robertkutz 7 лет назад

NICE

@thephotographicauditor6715 7 лет назад

I learned when using (rattlecan) clear polyurethane on polished brass, the brass will still tarnish below the poly, within weeks. Using clear lacquer, it won't tarnish for years.

@edrees3874 7 лет назад

Very interesting! I have used lacquer for this in the past. IIRC that is what is used on Brass instruments as well. We'll see how the clear powder coat holds up.

@doc.voltold4232 6 лет назад

Anywhere where i can find some sort of service doing these? Sending drawing and getting them done

@dhy5342 6 лет назад

Cupric Chloride isn't a mix of Hydrogen Peroxide and Muriatic (Hydrochloric) Acid unless you also add some copper. And drugstore H2O2 isn't concentrated enough to react. You could just use easily available Ferric Chloride to etch a lot easier and safer.