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How to make Propanal (propionaldehyde) 

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In this video, I show how I made propanal from 1-propanol. I followed the procedure from Org Syn.
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Комментарии : 169   
@ΓιώργοςΚ-ι1ζ
@ΓιώργοςΚ-ι1ζ 2 года назад
As a PhD organic chemist that has worked a lot with small molar mass aldehydes, I have to say that in general aldehydes only by the vigorous stirring of their solution (neat or with solvent) with the atmospheric air causes their rapid oxidation to the corresponding carboxylic acids. Therefore, not only an ice bath is required to minimize this phenomenon, but under Argon atmosphere is a must! Best regards, colleague NileRed. You're awesome.
@wth......53
@wth......53 Год назад
Yeah whatever he said
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 6 лет назад
So naturally, I would definitely want to make it.
@TheMaskedRacoon1
@TheMaskedRacoon1 2 года назад
Make a video of propanamide synthesis from urea and propanoic acid. Then make a video of ethylamine synthesis using propanamide and sodium hypochlorite!
@STROONZONY
@STROONZONY 9 лет назад
funny how i have learnt more chemistry on youtube than at UNI, QUESTION NR: did you make n propanol or buy it? thanks
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+GEZZA1 I bought it from Ebay. Making it wasn't going to be the easiest thing to do.
@amosz5726
@amosz5726 9 лет назад
Did you consider using pyridinium chlorochromate as your oxidizer instead of chromic acid? This way you wouldn't have to worry about any propionic acid forming.
@martinofgliwice1486
@martinofgliwice1486 9 лет назад
Chromyl chloride is also suitable. It won't oxidise aldehydes. And doesn't require pyridine. There are even some videos about it on youtube.
@amosz5726
@amosz5726 9 лет назад
Martin of Gliwice Yup, it's also a pretty good choice. Although pyridine is actually pretty easy to make if you have access to niacin from online suppliers, chromyl chloride is admittedly easier to make with OTC reagents. But I would prefer PCC in the end because it can be stored long-term without having to worry about hydrolysis or any dangerous vapors.
@johnk3903
@johnk3903 6 лет назад
I think the best oxidisers are K2Cr2O7/H2SO4 or KMnO4/H2SO4 but can't he use H2O2 as well? I've heard it's a pretty strong oxidiser
@kel000001
@kel000001 6 лет назад
For pcc reaction the solvent you will need dichloromethane as your solvent. However, since it boils before propanal it will be troublesome to extract pure propanal
@PepekBezlepek
@PepekBezlepek 5 лет назад
@@johnk3903 H2O2 is strong and that's what you DON'T want when your product is an aldehyde. A strong oxidizer will oxidize the aldehyde further to a carboxylic acid or even to CO2, like Nile says in the video.
@Nikolaii2571
@Nikolaii2571 9 лет назад
I could learn a lot from you, Nile. That is why I subscribed to your channel.
@danielmccarthy572
@danielmccarthy572 9 лет назад
Really awesome work and great instructions! Any suggestions for simpler, home upstart equipment and experiments? I'm a chemical engineer major, but I feel like hands-on is the really the best way to understand this stuff.
@prapanthebachelorette6803
@prapanthebachelorette6803 3 года назад
Agree
@cycl0pentadiene
@cycl0pentadiene 9 лет назад
Are you taking any measures to protect the propionaldehyde from air oxidation, or are you gonna be using it quickly enough that the amount oxidized will be negligible?
@markmdublin
@markmdublin 9 лет назад
This cooking channel is weird
@louistournas120
@louistournas120 8 лет назад
This is for us, the aliens. It isn't for humans.
@evan2587
@evan2587 7 лет назад
markmdublin I expected some white powder or beautiful crystals tat can be smoked or snorted
@KnakuanaRka
@KnakuanaRka 6 лет назад
markmdublin It’s chemistry, not cooking.
@nihaal7750
@nihaal7750 4 года назад
@@KnakuanaRka r/ ....nvm
@KnakuanaRka
@KnakuanaRka 4 года назад
Nihaal I don’t know why I said that either. Even I don’t think it’s funny. Plus chemistry and cooking are pretty similar.
@Ammondn
@Ammondn 8 лет назад
I learned the trick of controlled temperature zones. I felt the description of the distillation was a bit confusing though. Over all thank you for teaching me something I didn't learn in school.
@louistournas120
@louistournas120 7 лет назад
I'm guessing using KMnO4 as the oxidizer is out of the question. You bought the n-propanol from Sigma-Aldrich?
@omaroabuawwad
@omaroabuawwad 9 лет назад
great vid, but there is something i didn't understand ... you have used 60C water in that condenser instead of cold water .. it confused me a little ... so just to sort all this in my head .... you put 60C water because Propanal need to be re-condensed and it will return back to the round bottom flask? while the n-propanol passes throw the condenser ? or i get it wrong ?
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+omar abuawwad Other way around. The propanal can pass but the propanol cant because it boils at 90C+ and will recondense.
@BackYardScience2000
@BackYardScience2000 3 года назад
Yeah you had it backwards.
@Aleksanti
@Aleksanti 9 лет назад
Nice oscilloscope in the background. Glad you are working with electronics too!
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+Aleksa Djokic It's actually not mine but a relatives!
@BackYardScience2000
@BackYardScience2000 3 года назад
It's his dad's. This is in his parents garage.
@joulesjams20
@joulesjams20 8 лет назад
If the chromium receives three electrons going from +6 to +3. That is being reduced not undergoing oxidation. The potassium dichromate is an oxidizing agent.
@aryan.bajaj0
@aryan.bajaj0 6 лет назад
Yes, it reduces itself and oxidizes the substance as a redox takes place
@BackYardScience2000
@BackYardScience2000 3 года назад
🤦
@charlesthomas7970
@charlesthomas7970 3 года назад
Good route for lab synthesis. I use the oxo process myself, but I also make around a million pounds a day.
@trustthewater
@trustthewater 9 лет назад
Activated seeds? As in seeds that are activated? Is that a term for something or are they plantable seeds that have been presoaked to get them started? Not a bad idea for chemicals that may be sensitive to other dehydrating substances.
@jiexiang123
@jiexiang123 9 лет назад
Sieves*
@trustthewater
@trustthewater 9 лет назад
+JieXiang88 LOL! Oh boy. I need to get my ears checked or start using the closed captions. Thanks. The more I thinking about it, the less it made sense.
@jiexiang123
@jiexiang123 9 лет назад
+trustthewater hahaha everybody makes mistakes so it's ok.
@ZachhMystrixx
@ZachhMystrixx 9 лет назад
Is the potassium dichormate just used as an oxidizing agent? If so, could you use hydrogen peroxide?
@awesome5678910
@awesome5678910 8 лет назад
+Zachh Mystrixx nope
@thisisnotmyfinalform7856
@thisisnotmyfinalform7856 8 лет назад
+Daily Insanity why not
@shonaoneill5151
@shonaoneill5151 9 лет назад
Hi Nile, very nice video. I have to ask....in your opinion which smells worse, putrizine or this?
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+Shona O'Neill This stuff is just kind of weird smelling. Putrescence definitely smells much worse
@shonaoneill5151
@shonaoneill5151 9 лет назад
+Nile Red ahhhh Jesus I knew I spelt it wrong lol
@chemicalmaster3267
@chemicalmaster3267 8 лет назад
+Nile Red I know that acidified dichromates are great oxidisers, but have tried to use hydrochloric acid instead of sulfuric acid (it´s much cheaper and easier to obtain)? If you did then it worked, right?
@МатвейБакальский-ъ7ф
Chlorine
@gustavoespinoza7940
@gustavoespinoza7940 7 лет назад
Why didn't you use a combination of Sodium Chromate, Sulphuric acid, and Pyridine? that should avoid the formation of carboxylic acids.
@martinofgliwice1486
@martinofgliwice1486 9 лет назад
May I synthesise 2,6-dimethylhex-2-enone from 5-oxo-4-methylheptanal via intramolecular aldol condensation?
@ronan66
@ronan66 4 года назад
you may.
@theginginator1488
@theginginator1488 8 лет назад
3:00 nice paper clip stir bar :P
@STROONZONY
@STROONZONY 8 лет назад
i looked up propanal on wikipedia and it says that the philae lander has measured a number of organic molecules on the comet, including acetone and propanal. Organic chemistry will always reveal new things in new locations, making the concept of the chemistry of C;H;O;N; etc as 'god', more likely! There must be living organisms out there if org chem synthesis is happening at the wide range of temperature and pressures.
@firearmsstudent
@firearmsstudent 9 лет назад
Could you do a video on the synthesis of formaldehyde?
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 9 лет назад
I'd imagine it can be made with relative ease from hexamine tablets.
@RaExpIn
@RaExpIn 9 лет назад
+firearmsstudent The synthesis of formaldehyde is quite difficult to perform in the home lab, but I can recommend to buy paraformaldehyde to make a formaldehyde solution or buy "KUSURI Formalin" which is a 30% solution and works well for many purposes.
@origamigek
@origamigek 9 лет назад
+Random Experiments International I've seen some video's of the copper-catalyzed burning of acetone, which created formaldehyde if I remember correctly.
@RaExpIn
@RaExpIn 9 лет назад
To make formaldehyde methanol is used and copper oxide. The copper oxide becomes copper and has to be oxidized again. So, the vapors have to be mixed with a small amount of oxygen. The reaction is exothermic and has to be cooled, otherwise the methanol vapors could ignite. The reaction takes place at a few hundred degrees. All of this is very difficult to achieve in the home lab.
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 9 лет назад
+Random Experiments International I imagine this is the industrial method. Home labs need not use this particular method. Moreover in home labs efficiency is a secondary concern and a particular method might be chosen precisely because it's hard.
@TheRobertMars
@TheRobertMars 9 лет назад
Thank you for a very nice picture. What a camera are you using for these videos?
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+Robert Mars Canon 6D and 24-70mm F2.8 lens
@smrts
@smrts 8 лет назад
for post-apocalypse purposes would a little mercuric sulfate be a problem for this reaction? the first part with sulfuric and potassium dichromate is the same thing as a C.O.D. vial except those have mercuric sulfate as a catalyst. odd question I know but I thought it would be worth asking.
@RaExpIn
@RaExpIn 9 лет назад
I really like chromium chemistry, even though hexavalent chromium compounds are carcinogenic. This way of making aldehydes is one of the easiest to get hold of.
@Fic__
@Fic__ 2 года назад
nile be saving my chem grade fr
@iamcleaver6854
@iamcleaver6854 5 лет назад
Cn you not use a weaker oxidising agent that cannot oxidise aldehydes to acids?
@mszczepaniak
@mszczepaniak 9 лет назад
Nice video. If you make videos based on request mine would be a video attempt at synthesizing azidoazide azide.
@matisa52
@matisa52 9 лет назад
Could you describe a synthesis of ethylene oxide?
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 9 лет назад
Probably the easiest option is from β-chloroethanol which might itself be synthesized from ethylene glycol. This synthesis would involve the addition of base, probably in the form of sodium or potassium hydroxide, which would deprotonate the alcohol enabling an intermolecular SN1 reaction.
@Christopher.Marshall
@Christopher.Marshall 8 лет назад
you say that the yield was 45-50%. what side product do you think were formed in the reaction?
@blackwingmaster141
@blackwingmaster141 9 лет назад
May I use silica gel instead of special molecular sieves? thanks :)
@Molko701
@Molko701 3 года назад
What submersible pump did you use for the 60C water? All mine say cannot be used for temps over 35C.
@Molko701
@Molko701 2 года назад
Yes, I had the same worry. I went ahead and used mine (just a standard home depot 70gph) - it worked at 60C and still working today.
@aryan.bajaj0
@aryan.bajaj0 6 лет назад
Can potassium permanganate be used as it is much better oxidizes agent in acidic medium
@primeraideas1210
@primeraideas1210 4 года назад
Yeah but you get carboxylic acids
@musclecaroz
@musclecaroz 7 лет назад
Where do you purchase your glassware?
@chancebutler6472
@chancebutler6472 2 года назад
ty as always
@primeraideas1210
@primeraideas1210 4 года назад
Why don't you use Dess-Martin reagents for this?
@RedDogForge
@RedDogForge Год назад
nile whos your prefered storage bottle supplier?
@georgeharrisonOK
@georgeharrisonOK 7 лет назад
Why doesn't it continue oxidating to propanoic acid?
@lukaswursthorn581
@lukaswursthorn581 7 лет назад
He touched on it somewhere in the video. It evaporates immediately after it gets created, so it doesnt have time to further react with chromium to form acid.
@BackYardScience2000
@BackYardScience2000 3 года назад
Pay attention to the video and find out....
@theartofnigas3245
@theartofnigas3245 7 лет назад
It's a very important aldehyde, cool video!
@AddisonPhilips
@AddisonPhilips 8 лет назад
would this work with regular, 2-propanol? IPA is structurally different,having the hydroxyl on the second carbon, but would it still form that double bond, carboxyl? Many of us have gobs of IPA :-)
@AddisonPhilips
@AddisonPhilips 8 лет назад
+AddisonPhilips -No.1-propanol is really a secondary alcohol, and even though an isomer of 2-propanol, it behaves quite differently when oxidized. I read that it would be oxidized to acetone. But we could make propene by simple dehydration, like with concentrated H2S04. Cool stuff. Great videos. Thank you.
@erikshaw1511
@erikshaw1511 8 лет назад
Hello Nile red, I just have a couple question's and if you could answer them I would greatly appreciate it, also I'm interested in donating some money towards future videos, I haven't used patreon before but I'm sure I can figure it out. Anyways, i would like to know what brand and where from, you purchase those really nice reagent storage bottles with the cone-ish shaped lids like from the skatole synthesis video, they look very high quality and that what I'm looking for. Also, what brand and where from, did you purchase your thermometers with the blue liquid, the contrast is great and it makes them very easy to read, especially on video. Please answer these two questions and also would like to contribute some funds to help further your channel, Thanks.
@NileRed
@NileRed 8 лет назад
+Erik Shaw Unfortunately, i cant help you too much. The bottles are from sigma aldrich. It is what they send their chemicals in. I just cleaned out the used bottles. The thermometers were given to me, so I don't really have a source for them. They are alcohol thermometers though, if that helps.
@michaelchauncey6806
@michaelchauncey6806 8 лет назад
+NileRed I believe that Cole Palmer carries them. Also try laboratory safety supply
@GermanMythbuster
@GermanMythbuster 9 лет назад
Hi Nile, can you show us how to make Dioctyl sebacate, I like your videos keep up your amazing work :)
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+GermanMythbuster I will look into it!
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
On wikipedia it says that it can be made with 2-ethylhexanol and sebacic acid. Pretty simple. Just a matter of getting them.
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
I looked on ebay to buy it and the sebacic acid was easy. The other one returned the actual final product for sale. I guess the easiest method is to just buy it :p
@wnohr77
@wnohr77 9 лет назад
would it be possible for you make nitrogen triiodide ?
@goyabee3200
@goyabee3200 8 лет назад
If benzyl alcohol is substituted for n-propanol will the reaction yield benzaldehyde?
@THErcbomber
@THErcbomber 8 лет назад
+goyabee see no reason why not. might be easier to use pcc. more dangerous but you don't have to worry about making the carboxylic acid
@cannagorilla
@cannagorilla 6 лет назад
THErcbomber what is PCC?
@aribinu8910
@aribinu8910 Год назад
Could you make acetaldehyde from this procedure too, since k2cr2o7 is so toxic and forbidden, could it be replaced?
@Lew2021
@Lew2021 9 месяцев назад
There are many other ways to oxidize alcohols to the respective aldehyde that don’t use hexavalent chromium. The more notable ways being the Swern and DMP, but they utilize entirely different procedures. And yes, if you started with ethanol, you could produce acetaldehyde.
@N0M4dIC1RST
@N0M4dIC1RST 8 лет назад
A paper clip as stir bar? Meh, this is just oil anyway, so why not.
@CookingWithCows
@CookingWithCows 8 лет назад
it's also flatter than a stir bar, which could hit the round bottom flask :D
@N0M4dIC1RST
@N0M4dIC1RST 8 лет назад
***** You are right! I did not realize.
@Mattes_______
@Mattes_______ 9 лет назад
Hey Nile. you once said you want to make a Methylamine synthesis ? Still waiting for it tho :D
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+CODSuchti00 I actually totally forgot about it... ill get on that eventually :p
@nicougrikify
@nicougrikify 8 лет назад
where do you get all your chemicals from ?
@ClemoVernandez
@ClemoVernandez 9 лет назад
can ammonium dichromate be used
@arloc_official
@arloc_official 3 года назад
my childish brain wants to make a joke about the name propanal so bad
@bigboineptune9567
@bigboineptune9567 5 лет назад
Could KMnO4 be used to make propionic acid?
@cezarcatalin1406
@cezarcatalin1406 Год назад
If you dilute it a lot and add it slowly using this procedure, sure, might work. There are better oxidants though that don’t attack aldehydes.
@pigdripp
@pigdripp Год назад
This is a 7 year old video and I just got it recommended
@daviderubes8321
@daviderubes8321 6 лет назад
You shouldnt have used water as solvent!
@YouMockMe
@YouMockMe 3 года назад
Wow, that's pretty
@rorysmith5719
@rorysmith5719 2 года назад
so lost...why didn't he just use PCC and CH2Cl2 because that can't oxidize down to a carboxylic acid...is it like too expensive hmmm
@EpzilonZ
@EpzilonZ 8 лет назад
What does the "n" mean in n-propanol?
@NileRed
@NileRed 8 лет назад
+Epzilonz It means "normal". What normal means is different in different cases. In this case it just means 1-propanol. www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/11/10/dont-be-futyl-learn-the-butyls/
@EpzilonZ
@EpzilonZ 8 лет назад
+Nile Red Thank you for link but, its too difficult for me. im just an eight grader.
@NileRed
@NileRed 8 лет назад
Just keep at it and it will get easier! It is definitely a slow learning process.
@qazsertyer
@qazsertyer 8 лет назад
+Epzilonz n-propanol is a "traditional" name for 1-propanol, is used to differentiate it from another compound called iso-propanol (iso means equal, symmetric) which is 2-propanol. Iso-propanol is also a "traditional" name.
@agent475816
@agent475816 8 лет назад
+Epzilonz It stands for normal. There is a cyclo- and iso- stems for rings and isomers. But normal is just a straight up chain. Like n-hexane and cyclohexane. You are very smart by asking. Keep it up and you will do very well in chemistry. Don't worry about this stuff yet because it's organic chem. You still need to finish general to understand the fundamentals.
@haiyaiforces2619
@haiyaiforces2619 7 лет назад
Kek clip
@Matte8lack
@Matte8lack 8 лет назад
Why is your potassium dichromate red? The dichromate I get is always yellow-orange-ish. It is potasium dichromate because I also tested it but I do not get why is yours red while mine is yellow-orange-ish
@NileRed
@NileRed 8 лет назад
+Matej Schwartz It happens. Depending on the quality the colors can be a little different.
@Matte8lack
@Matte8lack 8 лет назад
+Nile Red Thanks. I was asking because I only saw yellow potassium dichromate and we also always learned it that way so thank you for your reply
@ankitnandi6439
@ankitnandi6439 5 лет назад
can you try to make Potassium Dichromate from scratch?
@yaldabaoth2
@yaldabaoth2 5 лет назад
What is "from scratch" for you? A lump of ore?
@ankitnandi6439
@ankitnandi6439 5 лет назад
No, but form thigs like Chromium(iii)Oxide and Potassium Hydroxide, I think.🤔
@BackYardScience2000
@BackYardScience2000 3 года назад
Just buy it. Much cheaper. If you can't buy it, then tell is why you can't buy it. Illegal in your country? Too young? No money?
@ankitnandi6439
@ankitnandi6439 3 года назад
@@BackYardScience2000 Kind of hard to find in the local markets
@ingolorenzo4158
@ingolorenzo4158 2 года назад
@@BackYardScience2000 its illegal, in my country. but could i substitute ist for sodium dichromate?
@savagehippie1453
@savagehippie1453 9 лет назад
You lost me at 0:00-5:35 xD
@duys97
@duys97 9 лет назад
why make something thats smells like shit?
@henrylh4115
@henrylh4115 9 лет назад
+Richard Kong Because SCIENCE!!!
@duys97
@duys97 9 лет назад
+Henry LH ok i get it!
@suckinDiesel44
@suckinDiesel44 9 лет назад
+Richard Kong I'm sure you can come up with a few ideas.
@duys97
@duys97 9 лет назад
+Mike Ehrmantraut to make stinkbomb,s maybe?
@suckinDiesel44
@suckinDiesel44 9 лет назад
+Richard Kong Bingo!
@Spycyzygy
@Spycyzygy 9 лет назад
The oil baths at the college i go to have paperclips as stirrers too XD
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+Rsaramallac it works!
@Spycyzygy
@Spycyzygy 9 лет назад
The best solution Is usually the easiest XD
@Lemarous
@Lemarous 9 лет назад
What is your fascination with stinky chemicals?
@NileRed
@NileRed 9 лет назад
+Saicere Stinky things are the best man
@DreamItCraftIt
@DreamItCraftIt 5 лет назад
Scatole and propanal aww yee
@unsilencedman
@unsilencedman 6 лет назад
Lol yes us canadians love the smell of feces. Good job! Makes me want to go hunting so I can pick up some feces to play with :P JK
@matthewng7893
@matthewng7893 6 лет назад
alchemy 100
@jonkanady2170
@jonkanady2170 5 лет назад
Аналпроп))10)0)0
@matthewng7893
@matthewng7893 6 лет назад
kek clip
@sheltonregismarianayagam205
@sheltonregismarianayagam205 9 лет назад
This guy is weird.
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