I once turned down a job offer, they said, well let me see if I could get you more. I'll call you back in a few days. 1 hour later, they called and offered me more money. And I took the job, because, in that one hour, I figured out that even though, it wasn't as much per hour that I was currently making at my part time job, the job they were offering me was full time, m-f with weekends and holidays off but also had great benefits. Look at all the benefits and not just the pay.
I once took a job offer that was paying slightly more than my current employer with similar benefits but in the area I would be moving to. Then I discovered despite being "full time" they would overhire and overschedule to send people home early because it was "slow". To the point where you were full time but didn't work enough hours to get benefits. I did the math and I would've been making less than I was at my last job. The final straw came when at the end of the pay period I found out I wasn't even being paid the rate they told me. 🤦🏾♀️ I quickly found out why there was a high turnover rate. Management would push people to quit instead of firing them so they wouldn't receive unemployment.
So I just got a new job. When they called me back after the interview and offered the job they asked me "so how much were you thinking". The listing already stated a certain amount but on a whim I remembered this video and asked for a rate that was slightly higher than on the listing. They met me half-way. Truthfully, I was expecting and would've accepted the rate mentioned on the listing.
I was a recruiter for 4+ years. You ALWAYS counter and negotiate the salary. The amount of people in the comments who are leaving money on the table. SHEEEESH LOL!!!
If it was easy everyone would do it, cut out games and TV. Study, get certifications, work internships, take a step down to get into another industry. I buckled down for 6 months and got my dream job offer two days ago. 🙏🏽
Always make it clear during an interview that you have other options and that they are offering more even if you don't. That will make you more desirable and they'll make an effort. If they think you're desperate they'll only take advantage. Also, acting like you have options will make them respect you more as an employee and not expect things like unpaid overtime and abuse from managers. If they're under the impression that you really need them they will be more inclined to treat you badly. Know your worth.
@@smooothsynergy652 It's true, it depends on how high demand the position is and your skillset. I just don't think many people who need this advice are going to be hitting this range or not receive a counter.
@@patriciaanderson6300 Yes they have a budget, but they rarely offer the maximum that the budget allows. companies lose money on unfilled positions and are willing to negotiate. sometimes the answer is no, but not always.
I did this by accident for my current job. I thought it was a scam and told them they were low on my list. They asked me what would put them on top and I threw a crazy number out there and they matched it.
I've negotiated higher pay only once, my current job, where I've now been promoted to manager. Initially they asked me what I wanted and I said I was hoping for the highest range (they'd posted a range based on experience) because I have a degree and at the time a decade of experience. I got it, and 30 days in they offered me more money, and when the manager quit they offered me that job and even more money.
Also make sure they give you a number FIRST. If they ask answer with “we’ll, what is your approximate budget?” Or “what do you normally Ofer for this position?”. I did this in my last job and I’m glad I did they offered more than I was looking for.
Hmmm…. As a nurse in a vagina-sector job, when I’ve tried to negotiate for a measley extra $1 an hour or $3K a year more, saying essentially the same thing you did, the FEMALE HR ladies said “how greedy of you! We make you an offer and you dare to ask for more! I’m rescinding the offer immediately!!!!!”. Years later on a PBS radio show, women were calling in and saying they too had their offers rescinded when they “dared” to ask for more.
Also, as I wrote up-thread, the candidate has to read the room and make a judgment call about how awesome and competitive he or she is for the role. This is partly an art bc it's down to the candidate's intangible factors such as dynamic w the person actually hiring and approving terms. Accept this fact and learn yourself as a candidate and learn to read people. #NegotiationIsAnArt
I've always done this. It ALWAYS WORKS! Even if they can't meet you all the way... They can meet you halfway, more PTO, sign-on bonus or other benefits... Know your worth people!
I don't know if this actually works in our country. But if I am hired, I will immediately accept it. I don't want to waste my opportunity to have the job.
Can you do another video showing what to do if this strategy goes tits up? My experience with salary negotiation is always the opposite where an employer says ‘Naw, boo…best I can do is 25¢ raise and a half-eaten KitKat bar…’
Men are more likely to negotiate on salary. Higher paying jobs are prepared to negotiate on salary. Cost of living and industry averages should be considered in the negotiated ask. If they are unwilling to negotiate or they are offering the industry average. Negotiate for more vacation up front, 401, stock options, paid health care. These alone can average out to 50k a year.
@@CindymeCindy the reason behind this is that women on average work fewer hours, take more time off and retire sooner. That is why as a woman when negotiating you have to factor this in. Sure not all women are the same, but you are fighting against a benchmark set by women in the work force. When an offer is rescinded, you offer a counter. Also make sure that your first offer doesn't exceed your experience level and the industry average. A great way to work the system. "I appreciate that you can't offer me what I am looking for at this time, but I am interested in working for your organization. Would you find it acceptable that we agree that I take your offer, but we will meet again in 6 months to review my work. If it is above average and I have kept all my promises of being an exceptional employee. I get a 11% increase in pay. If I don't prove to be as exceptional as I promised, then my pay will stay the same." This is a win win for you. You get a job that you can use on your resume and a potential raise depending on your own abilities and not the industry average.
@@CindymeCindy sure they do. Did you challenge them on it? If you're not getting the job, no lose in challenging them. I used to work in the retail business for a large chain. I was overlooked for management positions for less qualified female employees. Happened several times. Don't go looking for reasons. Look for opportunities. Once you get in, you're in.
You can ask for flexibility in the offer to negotiate for a higher salary 👍🏻 I did that all the time. However, in this current economy, if you need to be so good to ask for such a thing 💁🏻♂️
Yeah I tried negotiating at my job, and they told me they could put me on a management track, which would be a 33% raise. Told them no I don't want a management position, I want to be paid fairly for my very valuable work. Split the difference and give me a 16% raise? Nah, corporate won't let us do that. I have adjusted my worth ethic accordingly.
It's a roll of the dice with lots of variables as to whether this works. How badly do you need the job? Are you working now and looking to upgrade or out of work for months and running out of savings? How much competition is there for this job and how many people have the qualifications for it? Lastly, lots of jobs have a pay structure that just doesn't have that much wiggle room.
I had the conversation that she said I dont know where you got the figure from, must be a different area, but not this area. No we are not offering that here.
@@Death_the_Kid Mindset is important. It can project to others and influence how they act towards and react to you. But never will it guarantee their compliance with your wishes. More often than not, this will not work. Askimg for a 20% increase in pay and expecting a favorable outcome is foolish. I admire anyone who has the confidence to risk the largest salary they've ever been offered to ask for a 20% increase. If they deny it and accept you for the original offer, it may put a stain on the rest of your career with them. The person in the video was astonished at the high salary offer yet asked for more... 🤔
@@MR-yl6gl I'm going to tell you right now, it's not that serious 😂- I myself negotiate on behalf of others every day. In fact, I think she wasn't aggressive enough 🤷 then again maybe that's just my industry
@@Death_the_Kid I assume you sell cars? Aggressive negotiating can be pretty off-putting for a lot of people. Definitely always ask for more. You never get what you don't ask for. 100% believer but I also know how businesses are. They're usually not willing to budge much if at all. Also, I know my industry on that level personally and are told to retract and give lines such as "well, thank you for your time and we hope you find the salary you deserve elsewhere". Places would rather pay less valuable people less money than to pay the most valuable people even slightly more. I.E. shipping jobs overseas
@@NakeyNayNay Aw! Haha. I’m sorry, lol… I was being sarcastic. It’s a biting joke that hits because it’s true, but not what she meant. That’s truly what I make and I truly did have to negotiate, but the wages are trash here and I’m not specialized or degreed, so the initial offer was painfully low. I’m 30yrs old and grossing about $37k
@@WholeHeartily Thank you for clarifying🥺 The cost of living is a little lower here so if you could keep your current salary and come here you'd make R308,86 per hour. I make R20,00 per hour(minimum wage) if that puts anything into perspective. After an hour of work I can buy a loaf of bread. But you could buy 10 loaves of bread and have enough for a tub of butter/margarine, a small jar of peanut butter, a can of jam and a 2L Coke. I like food analogies lol. My very first job was in a grocery store. Anyways, just thought I'd share. A remote job that pays in US$ would be nice...🥲
@@NakeyNayNay cost of living is EXTREMELY high in Florida where I live. Rent: $2,250 (I only pay $800 though because I live with my boyfriend) Car: $476 Phone: $65 Gas: $200 Utilities: $150 (my share) Car Insurance: $200 (my share… I had an accident) and I haven’t even gotten into credit card debt, groceries, healthcare, toiletries, household maintenance, personal maintenance, entertainment, or savings
The opposite happened to me with a job offer. When I respectfully try to negotiate for more, I was told nope! No job offer for you! Hope you find someone who can meet you salary expectations. It was not like I was asking for waaaay more than they were offering.
As someone ppl have refused to ever pay over $10 an hour in my life even though I put forth the best work/effort amongst my colleagues- can confirm 😂 everything is bullshit. Your coworkers will be lazy and somehow make more (?) awkward
As a hiring manager, if I find a really decent candidate, there is definitely flex in the $$! Good candidates are few and far between these days… well in my industry anyway. Everyone wants to be an influencer!
I don’t understand why mgrs such as yourself don’t offer max range pay rating right out of the gate, or at least achieve parity with your existing team members. Lowball pay will cause people to leave you after a while and you have to contend with cost of change / onboarding someone new anyways, which is far more expensive at the end
@@ShacklefordR totally get where your coming from Rusty… unfortunately I’m just a hiring manager that needs to adhere to the Boss’s rules….. if I had the power, I would do exactly what you suggested, and I have expressed the same to the Boss…. Deaf ears I’m afraid. It’s just stupid. I agree with you 100%.
@@ShacklefordR it's hard to offer max pay up front because the employer first would like to see how you work and if you ACTUALLY fit well with the company. People change after the probation period at a job. I know because we've had alot of people like that at my employment. I work in the medical field and they pay us a pretty decent amount to start and most of the medical assistants that get hired are all "model employees" the first 90 days but as soon as that period ends they start calling in and slacking off. Most have even said that they applied there just for the pay and not to actually work and these are people with years of experience. We would tell the manager it's better to get someone right out of school that way we can train them to work the way OUR facility works rather than them come and bring their past work habits. We had one girl tell us straight up on her first day that all she was expecting to do was sit at her desk and try not to come in contact with patients that much, she was gone the very next day. So companies have to look out for themselves as well. It's a tough subject because it makes it hard for the people that actually want to work versus the ones who only see the dollar amount and don't want to put in the work.
My manager lied she would ask her manager if my pay request can be approved she just waited for a bit and said sorry wasn't approved. I had to accept cos some increase was better than no increase. Few months later I quit.
I wish I could’ve done this, however, as a teacher I have to follow the pay scale in the contract. Our pay is divided by steps and lanes. (Steps= years of experience and lanes =# of degrees plus credit hours)
What industry do you work in where this works? Im sorry, but especially in this economy, going into a recession, take the 100k and spend the time you would’ve spent finding a new job after they rescinded the offer starting a side-hustle or whatever tf.
I’d say research what the market value of your role is via Glassdoor or other forums to and also be honest with yourself in terms of where you are at your career. :) good luck friend
just got an insulting an offer. during the interview i confirmed i wanted 100k. and they only offered 90k and only 2 weeks holidays. i countered with 100k and 3 weeks. they bit#$d and moaned, im asking a lot for my experience (i wasn't) and ghosted me and the recruiter i was working with.
Based on what I researched, you would need to have this in written format rather than verbal. It is more ethical and the standard when hr extends job offers. Many times an offer can be rescinded and the paper or email is a bit of insurance. Also, if you never made 6 figures that’s a super gamble to ask for 20k more 🤣… we all want to make 100k but stay there and show you can exceed expectations, then the money will come with performance.
Most jobs now say upfront what the salary is and if you are okay with that before starting the application and review process. I was asked to confirm if the amount was acceptable before I was even considered to me a potential applicant.
Not sure in what nirvana, this situation occurs. But job applications require a reply to the question: what are your salary requirements? Companies weed out candidates based on this reply. And if you do get to the offer and you try and negotiate up, they say, " You indicated on the application that you were OK with [fill in the blank lower salary]." Then they move on to the next candidate. (I've worked in IT @salary of +150k for the last 10 years, so money matters are not trivial ).
only way they might turn down a request for more will be if you agreed to a number during the interview and now you want more. you can gamble by having an offer in your pocket and asking for more based on that but its a question mark whether they will accept or not.
@@DrMattHH 😂 yes but all my interviews they are asking my current salary. So... I repeat, how do I negotiate a rate mor ein line with industry standards without them basing their offer off my current salary?
@@LuminaryXion If that's true, then just don't tell them your current salary. Just lie. It's that simple. They are trying to pay you as little as they possibly can. You are under no obligation to help them do it.
I tried that. An they offered me $500 more instead of the 6k more I was asking. Even though they gave an offer of 13k more to someone else will less experience.
I am kicking myself for not asking for more money. I am such financial desperation I just jumped instead of reviewing the offer. I even wanted to call back to see if I could negotiate higher but I don't want to piss them off.
This is not my experience. I have applied to nearly 1000 different jobs over my lifetime. I have held 15% of those jobs. Not one of those jobs resulted from an attempt to negotiate a higher wage. I've received a grand total of about 30 job offers over my life and of them I attempted to negotiate up to 10% more pay with 8 of them. All 8 of those rescinded the job offers when I did this. For example, I pointed out my 10 years of restaurant experience to one restaurant manager and asked for $5.25 an hour instead of the $5.00 an hour offered and he said "I see you are not serious about wanting to work for us." Then he simply hung up the phone. The only time I have ever attempted to negotiate a higher wage other than in the interview process was after another employer already hired me. That employer offered $13 an hour and I was earning $12 an hour with my then current employer. I accepted the job and then notified my then current employer that I was quitting. I gave them 2 weeks notice. They offered to match my wage offer so I turned down the new job since wages was the only reason I wanted to leave. Three months later we have a new general manager who decides that nobody in my position should make $13 and hour and so he notifies me of a pay cut bac to $12 an hour. So I'm back to square one and now it's too late to accept that other job as they already filled it. Attempting to negotiate higher wages will almost always result in either losing the job or only making some sort of temporary gain.
Not if you're asking. If you insist, as in let on you're not interested otherwise, they might fear you will leave quickly if they can't give you what you ask. Also of course if you get "stroppy" or "rude". Good attitude and a poker face might work though...
If they’re extending a job offer that means you’re they’re best option. Plus 75% of HR recruiters expect you to negotiate. If higher pay isn’t possible, ask for a sign on bonus (because you would lose out your yearly bonus with your current employer)
