I feel like a valid option in the Fiddle/Shaco case might have been also doing Blue -> Red -> Krugs -> Raptors -> Wolves -> Gromp into bot scuttle. I usually find myself on the other side of the matchup (as I play mostly invaders, Kindred, Graves, Rengar, Nidalee and so on and so forth) and I feel like the ONLY time I really get screwed is when the enemy junglers do a reverse clear such as the one i mentioned. It's unexpected (because inherently inefficient) and at least for me, it throws me off every time. I end up losing quite some time, with the enemy jungler basically having a slower but safer full clear and a scuttle (In this case bot scuttle after gromp would have been kinda free for Fiddle and you still keep a "safe" bot gank or just a reset) while i'm taking my 4/5th camp (because of the tempo loss for invading a clear quadrant). Also, when you reverse clear it's harder for the enemy jungler to time your camp as everyone of us is used to the 4:20 -> First respawn, but with the slower clear the camp will respawn around 4:50. Idk, at least speaking for myself as I like to play very aggressive, I feel like it might be interesting for the full clearers here to know how I, as an invader, get countered pretty consistently. Also I feel like the idea of doing the whole blue side and then skip raptors to go red doesn't really work, or at least not consistently, because if you are playing a fast clearer (Karthus, Nocturne or whatever) and the enemy is playing Graves/Kindred, the enemy would just go Red -> Skip redside -> Gromp -> Blue into your Red and that's not cool, because you find yourselves both lv 3, the enemy invader has a red buff, you don't and most probably you are also a weaker champ lv 3. So yeah, those were my two bits Anyway, thanks as always for the godly work out here. :)
I find it impossible to meet a karthus @ his red lvl 3, karthus clearing full blue, raptors then red by the time I do red/blue/gromp and get there as rengar its like 2:40/50 and his red is already done/10% hp dragged up towards krugs. Any tips how/where invade karthus?
@@tungngo7884Just play Nidalee, it isn’t rocket science. Learn decision making and be disciplined enough to not make the same mistake you’ve done last game. There’s no secret formula to being a jungler 😉
What a stupid comment LMAO I literally play the game. I literally have put this in videos x100 with ME in it. And what? This is a predetermined strategy so you can just implement it next game. Someone tell Tex Winter he wasn't allowed to invent the Triangle Offense because he didn't play pro basketball :(
