Best 7900 XT guide all around. Easy and straight to the point without ads to buy toothpaste from partners, and blubbering nonsense. Especially your part regarding "VRam" was ultra helpful, since i was bit scared to tweak it. I had mine at 500/2400/1050 w/power limit at -10%, and GPU (Sapphire) cutting through everything (even 2077 or Helldivers 2) at 3840x1620 (sometimes at 5120x2160 with some in-game tweaking) like a flaming knife into butter. Board power is just great as well. 15 to 20w while watching YT, and never over 220-250 into games (270 to 350 at stock ). Great video once again, thanks a lot Fabio.
Can you explain how to read min /max clocks settings? I just upgraded to amd couple of weeks ago and confused what exactly is happening when I change them. I spend a lot of time on but eventually managed to figure out what exactly nvidia clock/voltage curve on 30xx does, so I'm curious to understand it here, too.
@@L1vv4n you can enable an overlay when playing the game by ctrl+shift+O (not zero) but you first have to enable hotkeys first, i dont exactly remember where to enable this but you can find it from searching the amd adrenaline. Min/Max clock frequency are the main reason for power consumption and what performance your gpu can give you.
@@TH-ib5ly ctrl+shift+o is overlay, i can configure what it show on metrics tab, I can open adrenalin on the top of whatever is running with alt+r. But that does not explain what min/max clocks actually are. They are definitely not just actual minimal and maximum values, because clock can go above and below both settings. I can write a long post about frequency/voltage curves on ampere cards, how they switch, what afterburner curve editor actually does and how to get actual almost static clocks under load. I would be happy to find analogous explanation about RDNA3 and Svartie post was detailed so i hope to get an answer.
@@L1vv4n overall, it's kinda semi soft lock on frequncy in simple words.. it's try to rise & lower the frequency depending on the settings U tune with (try doesn't mean it's will go according to your tune) cause in some games the GPU need to rise power or frequency or it's will crush As far as I know.. min doesn't matter overall, but the max is the key, but don't push it beyond 2900MHz if U want stable OC 3000MHz will need kinda high end models in most cases
Running both my XFX black editions 7900xt overclocked for 6 months now with no issues. They both run around 60-65c with a hot spot temp of 75-85c. With no issues. +15 power limit 2900mhz core 2600mhz memory 1050 mv Custom Fan curve set 60%/60c, 80%/80c 100%/100c.
Top video, i have just spent several days working through and testing an overclock on a 7900XT watercooled by an Alphacool block and this will hopefully short cut the process for some. I would recommend jumping to overclocking the memory to it's maximum before starting the undervolting testing and working through each setting one by one , stress testing for gaming with something like the 3D Mark Stress testing suit (it's paid but if you survive all of those you can probably move onto the next setting) . As Ancient Gameplays noted in the video be a little careful on the core clock , you can usually keep going on this one and it remain stable, but it gives diminishing returns 3058 was where it started to tail off on my GPU, so 3000 is a good mark. Likewise 1040mv was the lowest 'stable' undervolt i could get - it will go lower but with thorough stress testing it would fail. For the memory i could get stable at 2818 , which is huge , but the card is also watercooled which helps and even with aircooling i had a good idea the memory had a lot of headroom. Great way to get a lot more bang for the buck out of a great card
Thnx for the vid Mr Jesus. I love my Asrock Taichi 7900XT. I can undervolt it to 1020mv, core 3000 and mem 2746 with powerlimit to +15. Running latest games like Horizon FW, Alan Wake, Avatar etc. on max settings 1440P without a sweat 🤩. Paired with 5800x3D .
I was farting around with my 5600xt in that OC menu half a year ago, and it does not have that amount of settings presented here (obviously) but there are some observations I want to share. Automatic undervolt returns a mV number you can write down as the lower limit, and OC Ram returns the top MHz value and you write it down as well, so you have some limits to work with when doing the manual optimization or even OC. In a mix you will not get those values but they can be helpful. Settings per game are useful. I can play the whole day long BF2042 with a low core voltage but COD will freeze with that within a couple of minutes - so I have a profile with more mV for that game. If you play a specific game a lot it helps finding the lowest mV with a little bit of OC to keep the card cool and save something on the electric bill :) . Another thing that helped my 5600xt was to disable the ULPS in Msi Afterburner (you have to do it once and restart the system, re do it when upgrading the AMD driver). Especially with the Vulcan API in WWZ I had strange FPS drops (in game Benchmark) that are gone with ULPS disabled. That does not mean that the 7900xt has the same issue or solution it def works on my 5600xt. Hope that stuff I wrote makes some sense somehow.
Appreciate the video! After much experimenting, I settled on the exact same settings, except I can push down to 1020 mV on 2500 mhz. So far, 1020 has been stable in BG3, 3Dmark, and Helldivers (which crashes for unrelated reasons lol). EDIT: looks like 1030 mv is my new UV on 2500 mhz, as I finally got a crash at 1020 after 3 weeks
First of all let me just say that I love the fact that you put random meme's in the video. It always cracks me up xD Second of all thanks for this video!! I picked up a 7900xt after my 7800xt turned out to be a little too weak for 4k gaming, so this video is absolutely welcome :))
Thanks Fabio. I purchased the 7900XT when it came out based on your videos. This is an excellent video. I will be playing with these settings this weekend!
Wow seriously thank you! Im not exactly smart when it comes to these high end GPUs so this was a massive help. Especially raising the power limit to 15, I can genuinely see a difference with my performance. I don’t know why the card automatically comes with a garbage fan curve and power limit set to 0 out of the box. But thank you
thanks bro... i used the power saving because it uses 100w less than the overclock and its only 10fps difference..plus the card is more silent and its more cool
I do own RX6900XT and RX7900XTX and i loving them. But! in Adrenaline edition i dont understand AMD logic to put core and mem tuning behind 2 tabs. First tab unlock slider scalers to 0-100... From what to what?! like wtf?! you have to also click advanced control to see exact frequencies. That "basic" tuning option without telling the actual frequencies is completely unnecessary and stupid. Loving your content, you are doing a good job!
You are my hero! I just got my XFX RX 7900 XT 2 days ago and I thought to myself, "Self! I bet Ancient Gameplays has a video on how to overclock and undervolt my 7900 XT". Being that I watched and learned from your video on how to over/under my previous RX 6750 XT, I felt it was a safe bet! In all seriousness, thank you very much! I've been a fan of your channel since I first found it in October of '23. Keep up the great content! BTW, I think your English is good! Edit: I have a question. My VRAM timing is consistently at 2586Mhz (when max is set to 2600 Mhz) if I am watching a youtube video. Should it be this high? If I scroll off the video into the comments section, the speed goes done to 909 Mhz. As soon as I scroll back up to the video, it goes right back to 2586 Mhz, even if the video is paused. I changed the max freq to 2500 Mhz and it would down go to 2487 Mhz and stay there whether the video is playing or is paused.
@@AncientGameplays I spoke too soon. While the VRAM speed is no longer riding at 2487 Mhz, it is now at a constant 909 Mhz. I did read on the AMD forum of several people that have had this problem and I did not see a resolution for it. Should I send the card back? I did see the price for the XFX RX 9700 XTX dropped to $869 for Amazon Days. That's only $169 more than I paid for the 7900 XT. Then again, people that have the XTX are experiencing this problem as well. I never had this issue with the RX 6750 XT I had before this one.
I wanna say to you that you are a truly lifesaviour: I was having random PC reboots for three weeks in a row because I was testing my Powerhound 7900 XT undervolting, and the problem was that I was reducing the clocks along with the voltages (like 2600 MHz with 1025-1050 Mv, so I misunderstood how undervolting works) and that seems to be the problem. Now, I am using 2900 Mhz with 1050 Mv (with +15 % power limit ofc) for 5 or 6 hours more or less and the problem seems that is gone. Now I have a question: I hate listening the fans spinning with high revolutions too, but if the temperature reaches high temps (70+ degrees) I think that will start to have fps drops. Have you ever tested that in RDNA3? Keep working with your amazing videos!
Great guide, my Rx 7900 XT settings are, Max Frequency = 104%/2956MHz, Voltage = 99%/1089mV, VRAM = 110%/2750MHz with fast timing and Power Limit = -8%. With these i don't have to worry about fps or stability with low power usage an low temps and yes i use the percentages, i find it to have more stability. Hope this helps anyone.
Thank you so much Fabio! Once again, the best AMD Tutorial out there! You answered my question from yesterday even better than with your already awesome text message! Keep up the great work!
By the way: my Gigabyte OC gets to stable 2600 Mhz with the slider at 2600 with fast timing (haven't tested other frequencies). No need to offset by 12-18MHz for me
In fact.. there is 1 more option U didn't mention.. people call it light to medium (super stable on all models) Max freq: 2900MHz / Volt: 1100mv / Memory 2650MHz / Power: depends on your model, don't go beyond 400w max This will result getting 8% out of the 12% of 460w max OC, so U still get 8% more fps for 15% less power (win-win situation) Max OC is 2 much.. especially for 7900xtx (max go up to 460w) which result in high heat inside PC (might hurt your inner components) This also works with 7900xt models.. do same thing, but don't let the power go beyond 350w for 7900xt models Note: going to 3000MHz will result in some unstable games (depending on the engine) in 90% of scenarios,of GPUs barely reach 2750MHz in 4K & 2850MHz in 1080p, so trying to reach 3000MHz will only work with top end cards like Nitro+ with max 460w + only in 1080p & below Leave a reply & I might answer any question regarding the AMD GPUs.. am kinda expert in their OC/UV..etc, best luck to AMD cards fans
I mean, going to 3000MHz won't be unstable in most scenarios as in 90% of them you won't reach that frequency at all, and if you do you only need to tweak the voltage. 2900MHz with 1100mv is kinda worse as your slider voltage is higher. The rest is exactly as I stated. Also the XTX and XT models work a bit differently on the 2900MHz mark (my XTX uses 3GHz no issues)
@@AncientGameplays 3000MHz won't be stable for 400w max OC (7900xtx models).. while 2900MHz will be super stable overall 3000MHz will need minimum 430w & beyond 7900xtx avg models uses 2 8-pins cables, which never goes from 400w to 415w, only those 3 8-pins cards can get stable 3000MHz, for 7900xtx models at least 7900xt is ok to go with 3000MHz with 2 8-pin cables since they never reach beyond 390w
@@Jack_Sparrow131 i have nitro+ xtx and i only game in 4k and it all depends on the game you're playing, i have individual profiles for my games and some games i can go with max frequency of 3117 and HWinfo reports the card to go above 3200, but it's not good for the power usage, and even if it is stable in all my games it does not benefit in all scenarios, it will go above 550w according to HWinfo, but only in 1 specific game.. However most games work better with lower frequencies and it is also better for the power usage, which is anything from 400w to 475w at lower freq, and i don't worry about heat, it is only air cooled in a small fractal torrent compact case with no exhaust fan, but card keeps cool and i have only seen it go to 72 degrees at the highest in summer, and i'm sure it will not hurt any inner components lol.
Hey fabio, thanks for the video. Because there was no particular video from you for 7900xt, i understood the concepts from other videos of 7900xtx and 7800xt and had undervolted my pulse 7900xt a month ago. Used 500/2400 and 2664 vram frequency. Its stable and i never go above 255 watts power draw. So dont worry, even with english not being your first language (just like me) i was able to understand everything and apply it myself.
compared to my older asus tuf 6900 xt, I indeed do some things differently for my sapphire nitro 7900 xt. I very much agree to: power limit to max +15, minimum gpu frequency 500. but what I do - and this is my recommendation - to create profiles. because every game behaves differently in terms of max frequency and power draw and I must stay under the TBP limit of my gpu board!! so my approach is: * fan tuning: disabled (both tuf and nitro did/does a fan-tastic job, no need from my side to tune) * power limit enabled: +15% * vram tuning: enabled, advanced control enabled, max frequency 2750 * gpu tuning: enabled, advanced control enabled, min frequency 500, voltage ("offset") 1015 the voltage I found for my card in this way: I started with ~1070 (which was the min for my old 6900 ;-)) and played games for ~2 weeks. if stable, I decreased by ~10mV. a.s.o. now 1015 I'm a year with and actually I don't bother going further down. I had some crashes with lower values but due to the games? or due to the excessive undervolt? I don't know. that is why stopped and stayed at 1015. which is perfectly stable. and now, , I start to figure out what is the optimal max frequency. questions to me: A) do I want to save power (because game is old, has anyways very high fps)? B) do I want to have higher fps? for A) I start with 600 (but the card usually does not go below ~1300) and increase until I'm satisfied. for B) I start with 2500 and observe. when going with higher max frequency, I'm observing whether I get TBP spikes of / above 350W. if so then max frequency is the limit resp I go a bit down. the TBP of my nitro is 368W or so. and once I start getting spikes to this power limit, the fps start tanking very much very fast -> not good. (apropos, never ever managed 3000 mhz. I don't understand how you guys get good performance in games and 3000 mhz setting ;-)) I play on my oled 4k@120hz (usually @10bit hdr). my cpu is an older 5950x. my psu is "be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum 750W". had no coil whine ever. neither with my old asus nor with the newer sapphire. my case fans were always louder than the GPUs. 😀 for example, I play alan wake 2 with max 2650 frequency. there I'm around TBP ~350+w usage. hope this helps you guys. thanks fabio for the video 👍👍
@@mohamad.h4300 i had an asus tuf 6900 xt. to that time my focus was max efficiency. i had fan tuning off, power tuning off, vram tuning on, fast timings and 2124 mhz, gpu tuning min/max 2250/2350 and voltage 1060. with that i was playing tw3 with ~245w tgp and 4k/100-120 fps. but unfortunately there was one scene where the gpu crashed repeatably. i needed to go to 1070mV which has added some 10w tgp. cyberpunk 2077 was even more volatile but also more buggy to that time (game&drivers).
Perfect timing I just got my 7900xt and been dialing it in. So far I got 2900max frequency, 1070mv (was stable for most stuff all the way down to 1000mv but then crash so working my way back down), mem at 2700. Card is quite impressive. Waiting on my gpu block and then I’ll try the higher freq and work down the voltage. I’m not sure what memory the power color uses but I had it really high in heaven (like 2800) and still couldn’t see any artifacts but I wasn’t too comfortable with that so dropped down to 2700 and figure that’ll be enough.
I liked it but you didn't mention the profiles you can set up per game and that you can export/import profiles. So you can do like slower power saving profiles for some older games and keep the global one for the rest. And if it crashes and resets all settings the import function is very handy. Especially with a custom fan curve that took time to make.
Great video, very well explained, super helpful, repeating messages is a sure fire way of getting through and highlighting its importance. Your second language is better than some who speak it natively.
hi my dear friend !!happy see you in new video !!me too i wait this video for my 7900xtx !!i try OC but always have problems because i dont realy know how must do i know numbers not same but u show us step by step and i tell you no one in internet explaine as u OC like this any novice w biginer will know and thanks moch moch for it!!wish you great day and have good time!!my salutation
Btw, i use a tool to adjust binary power profile limits in order to put a hard limit on cpu/gpu regardless fmax enhance/pbo maxed, i can share screen n show you on discord and if you like it, share it
@@AncientGameplays not widely known, and basically anyone can power their system to the max as long as it can boot the microcode part of OS it'll never crash because hard limit prevents it from peaking and going above the set frequency, it's pretty nice But I show you, you show viewers. Considering I don't have an audience just was an idea my disc is my username without 3914
фабио,спасибо за видео🤝🤝🤝👋я пришел к тому,что самое удобное на rx7900xtx,это предустановленные настройки,тишина,сбалансированный и ярость,бросил возню с андервольтингом🤷♂
FINALLY!!!!!! I’m thankful. Should have just tagged me at this point lol. I don’t know if it matters but the same goes for the Nitro+ right? They are a different breed
When I had the 7900 xt this was around what my OC was funny enough lol. Enjoying the GRE atm. Only issue, which was the same issue I had with the 7900xt. Is my sound sometimes goes in and out. I'm using them via Hdmi to a 60htz tv. Wonder if that could be the issue? Wasn't too hard a fix tho, I just bypassed the card its self for sound and used the motherboards sound via digital out. Still annoying tho. Odd how something like that still hasn't been addressed. Or, perhaps my case is so minimal that it didn't warrant a fix. Either way, all is well.
Still have my 5700 XT as my daily - don’t want to ditch my AM4 yet. Should I go for 5800X3D & 7800 XT or full upgrade to 7800X3D & 7900 XT (and other AM5 components)?
If you're happy with what you have, I'd wait, as new components are releasing towards the end of the year. It's my plan at the moment, though I am using a 7000 series.
Fabio, do you think that we should use games that have a higher Vram requirement to test the Vram overclocked? Not every memory chip in the card will be able to achieve the same clocks necessarily, so it may be that certain Vram clocks will be stable when running a game that only requires 8GB, but not when running a game that uses 12 or 16Gb.
@Fabio…do you use any Sapphire Cards? Recently I downloaded Trixx and found a nifty feature called Trixx Boost which allows you to create a custom resolution & upscale from that. For 1080p & 1440p monitors I found that 90% is the sweet spot and then use RSR to upscale the image. For 4K the sweet spot is 85%. It nets you around 20-25% boost in fps without sacrificing visual quality unlike native RSR that I find affecting the visual quality and producing artifacts. If possible can you do review of it? And once again bro thanks for all the efforts you put into making these videos for the fellow Radeon users.
Hi bro I need your help recently I purchased RX 7600 gpu but when I play games there are lots of stuttering issue, please me with the settings of this gpu, please reply
if you want to lower hotspot temp you should lower your max frequency and keep mV as low as possible so 1090mV. but hotspot max temp is 110, so you're good at 100..
I have mine OC'd at 500/2955MHz @ 1025mV | 2650MHz | Power Limit +15%. I mainly play @ 1440p resolution and have it paired with a Ryzen 5 7600. A negligible bottleneck and 4K resolution is just within reach. I find that 2955 is the sweet spot for my system as I never reach 3000MHz during gaming. I would greatly appreciate your opinion. Also, have you considered sharing your thoughts on static overclocks vs PBO vs stock with AMD CPUs? As always, thank you for the awesome content!
I've looked near and far and at this point, I am convinced you might be the only one to deliver or even try: would it be possible to see the power scaling of RDNA 3 on the 7900 XT or 7800 XT, not going up, but going down. For a mad man who would aim at efficiency, or for anyone looking at that fabled 54% perf/watt that's "clearly" not at the 300W+ compared to last gen. Honestly, I just to undervolt and underclock my GPU to be cooler, but I'm wondering on a wider scale, at various power level, how AMD and Nvidia performs (but not in a "who's better", just "for science").
A lot of people choose amd for call of duty, I would love to see call of duty benchmarks included . I have tuf 7900xtx, can i get stock level performance with lower power draw in call of duty?
after the new amd driver update when fluid motion frames came out the rx 7900 xt was able to reach 990 voltage without any crashes if you had a really good silicone and every1 should be able to do 1010 or 1020 im currently doing 995 its been stable ever since the amd fluid motion frames came out and im also on a reference 7900 xt
Muito bom, no meu caso estou com shapphire (oc), 1070 mv ficou com estabilidade, seu eu baixar mais começa dar uns tilts e o adrenaline as vezes nao abre, mas isso acontece so nesses ultimos dois driver. Like!
question. i have the asrock model of this card and also a 5800x as cpu... would u say a 750w psu be enough even if i slightly oc my gpu? its a great model from seasonic... i ordered a volt meter just to be sure of my peak comsumption while gaming but it hasnt arrived yet.... great video mate. thanks.
I own an asrock 7900xt phantom gaming white edition and a 5950x on a corsair 750w psu with no issues. I have it at +15% power too. My cpu with pbo and curve optimizer also works fine as well. The gpu goes up to 365w with my rig max
@@Focaz ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b411Ro2HMi4.html I've been running the settings since it dropped with only a few changes dependent on games.
Great guide thank you, do you have any recommendations for coil whine ? On warhammer space marine 1 very noisy as over 400fps, so if i use radeon chill and restrict it to 240fps or lower it is fine but other more intensive games need limiting to 144 or lower or coil whine is noticeable, if i restrict gpu mhz to 2000 the coil whine disappears but then so does the performance, trying to find a balance to have 240hz fps globally with no coil whine, perhaps i just need to set it game specific instead, only just got the hellhound 7900xt and it is a great card, perhaps i.just need to play around more with power limit, volts, mhz and frame limits to find the sweetspot, performance is way above what i have before, so dont need extra fps, just want same fps, less watts and no or very little coil whine
I have a XFX 7900xtx and obviously might be different but with the power limit I find little performance gain for -15٪ vs +15% maybe 10fps but massive power draw difference , this is with Assetto Corsa Competizione... it seems odd.
I always preach about never, ever skimping on your power supply. Ironically, the least sexy component in your system is the most crucial. Personally, I won't buy anything that doesn't have the Seasonic logo on it.
Yeah Seasonics are great, but since they're not nearly as easy to find as Corsair in my country, I went with an RM850x for my PSU. Still excellent, though.
@@VerilyTriumphantCorsairs OEM for their PSUs is Seasonic (Along with alot of the market)..Seasonic, SuperFlower and FSP make like 80% of the market of power supplies.
Seasonic? not really that essential since half of good known brands use Seasonic, SuperFlower, FSP in their Gold Rated PSU Any Gold with 750w to 1000w will be enough, as long as it's from known brand But getting some cheap Gold Chinese PSU & expecting it will serve U well.. will, that's will be funny to watch you PC fry Lol Seasonic, FSP, EVGA, Asus, MSI, Corsair, XPG, Cooler Master..etc, are all great PSUs, especially their Gold ones
Thank you for the guide. I oced my 7900 xt and after a hard a system crash i reset it to default but it kept crashing only at the same game at the same moment it crashrd before(marvels guirdian of the galaxy). I tried new driver ddu installation and the problem persists. The same problem happend to me also with my previous card the 6700 xt after overclocking with pther game (talus pronciple 2) I dont think its a hardware damage since there is no overvolting and other games work flawlessly. Do you have any idea why or how to solve it Thank you again for your content
-What causes stuttering/freezing sometimes in games? Is it the VRAM frequency (fast timings/default), the voltage and frequency, cpu (undervolt overclock) or/and RAM? And what’s the most likely one to be causing it?
@@AncientGameplays Ty for replying. Most likely point 1 for me. Got a question about 5. though, how u know when to update the drivers? (Like every month or more?)
that CPU will do its job well most times at 1440P. Get the card you like the most, if you're working with it, see how AMD runs in the software you use first
So i have the XFX 7900 xt merc 310. He says to set it to 3000 clock but what i notice is that at 3000 the hotspot in games gets insane like 85c for no reason so i set it to 2850ccklock, volt 1030 and memory 2814 and my temps dropped to the 60/65c with less then 1 fps drop. there is no more you can get in fps IN GAME not Benchmarks after 2850 core clocks all you get it is 1 fps and 15c in higher temps. But like i said be benchmarks are much different then in game.
@@AncientGameplays Hey I do understand that it can go up to 110C but the problem is from 2850 to 3000 you only again 1-2 fps but gain 10 to 15 C in temps.
Do you think i9 9900k and rx 7900 xtx nitro is a bad combination? I'm asking because in Rainbow 6 Siege, sometimes i get down to 100 fps. On mid settings. I've also preset your overclock and undervolt settings.
@@bluej511 i heard this as well. 1920x1080 144hz. Texture quality is set on Very High, and LOD on Ultra, everything else on low-mid. Anti-Aliasing T-AA, render scailing 100 (1920x1080). Idk if I'm doing something wrong here 😢
@@bluej511 yes, it is on SSD M2. On vulkan I'm getting less fps than normal (Direct X 12). In benchmark i get 300 fps. But in game on some parts of thr map it goes down to 100
Dunno if benchmarks are easier to run then games but I've had my vram at near 2900mhz with no visual errors that I can see (could be throwing up a load of errors but nothing i can see). Past 2900 things don't render correctly and things start turning red and characters have extra polygons sticking out of them. Also in different benchmarks ive had the voltage as low as under 900mv
Do you have coil whine with your asus tuf 7900 xt? I have bought one a few days ago. It has hard coil whine. Using be quiet straight power 750W with 2 seperate VGA cables. One Y cable one single cable. I tested before with thermaltake GF 3 1000W and there was the same coil whine with the asus tuf 7900 xtx.
Thank you for the assistance, but it seems in my case...I have a RedDevil 7900xtx with an EK GPU water block. I have been trying to OC my card and for the life of me, I can leave it on Rage and it will crash. I do a small OC and boom, it crashes. It seems a waste to have this card and really can't push it a bit. Any advice? Maybe a got a crap card...IDK Thanks for the many vids I watch! I did notice when running benchmarks and the GPU is at 100% my GPU is sitting at around 50 - 55C my hotspot is 30c higher, maybe a repad/repaste?
