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How to Polish a Nickel-Plated Lantern Fount 

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How to clean and polish a nickel-plated lantern or stove fount.
In the video I'm using a Ryobi bench grinder running at 3600 RPM with a sewn muslin buffing wheel. If you can't find jeweller's rouge, the sticks of white polishing compound carried by most hardware stores near the buffing wheels will be fine. My citric acid solution is approximately 1 teaspoon of citric acid powder to 1 litre of water.

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@stephanelaliberte5169
@stephanelaliberte5169 4 года назад
As always a quality made video on subjects that help out fellow collectors, keep up the good work and thank you for sharing your knowledge....
@grumpy_ken
@grumpy_ken 7 месяцев назад
nice work! I'm going to try a citric acid bath on a 242b fount that has seen better days.
@JasVmitten
@JasVmitten 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this, fascinating. Question, can isopropyl alcohol be used to rinse the citric acid out of the font? I'm not familiar with the substance you mentioned.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 10 месяцев назад
Rinse thoroughly with water first. Some guys add a little baking soda to neutralise the acid, but if you rinse it well with water the acid won't be a problem. The alcohol isn't use to rinse, but to dry. After rinsing, remove as much water as possible from the fount, then add a little alcohol, swish it around, and drain. The alcohol will bind with the water and carry most of it away. I recommend methyl hydrate or denatured alcohol, but isopropanol will work too. The problem with isopropanol is that it's often sold diluted with water, so you want to be sure to get the 99% variety.
@JasVmitten
@JasVmitten 10 месяцев назад
@@king.coleman Thanks so much, very helpful.
@thull1234
@thull1234 Год назад
Do you think this method could restore a nickel plated revolver? I have an old .22 from my Dad when he passed that's nickel plated but badly oxidized.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman Год назад
I have zero experience doing that kind of work on firearms, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.
@AstroHunter5280
@AstroHunter5280 Год назад
@king.Coleman after you took the fount out of the acid bath, did you hit it with some 0000 steel wool or how did you get it so shiny immediately?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman Год назад
If I recall correctly, I just rinsed this and rubbed it with a kitchen sponge. It wasn't bad to start with. If the nickel is crusty and has a lot of "patina", I do rub it down with 0000 steel wool during the rinse.
@AstroHunter5280
@AstroHunter5280 Год назад
@@king.coleman thank you and thanks for the great videos!
@adamsons2890
@adamsons2890 Год назад
Is that fount nickel plated. It’s very nice
@damonhowatt
@damonhowatt 4 года назад
Very educational video ! I have an old Model 200 lantern that had the same nickel plated brass fount. Can I leave the brass valve assembly screwed into the fount hole while placing citric acid soaked towels on the fount? Also, the ventilator has been heavily scratched with some kind of rough steel wool. Any methods to polish that part up?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
No, you don't need to remove the valve. It may be a good idea to do so to ensure the valve and other fuel system components are clean and in working order, but it's not necessary as part of cleaning/polishing the fount. As far as the vent goes, I'm not aware of any way to polish damaged porcelain. Anything hard enough to remove scratches is going to leave more scratches or a cloudy surface. Automotive polish or metal polish can be used to *clean* porcelain. They're good at removing baked on debris, but they won't polish the porcelain itself. The only option to restore porcelain is to send the vent to a service that works in porcelain coatings. They'll sandblast or chemically remove the old porcelain and recoat it for you.
@DavidsOutdoors-of1vs
@DavidsOutdoors-of1vs 4 года назад
Two questions: Could you use vinegar for the same purpose? What do you use to clean vents that have been painted? I have a 200a that looks like it's had a spray paint job.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
Yes, any acid solution will work. I can't tell you how the strength of vinegar compares to my citric acid solution, but as long as you keep an eye on it, you should be fine. You only need a weak solution to cut the oxidation and grime. To strip vents I use the mildest method possible. Porcelain is pretty durable, but it can be scratched. The older vents are much more durable than the post-1970 vents. On the 200 in the video, I could scrape the paint off the vent with my fingernail. I let it sit in some methyl hydrate for twenty minutes to soften it and then scraped most of it off with a plastic scraper. A few tenacious spots came off with 0000 steel wool. Citrus stripper should be a safe option. I've never tried traditional chemical stripper and would be very cautious with it, perhaps apply some to the underside first to ensure it doesn't etch the porcelain.
@DavidsOutdoors-of1vs
@DavidsOutdoors-of1vs 4 года назад
@@king.coleman Thank you so much for the valuable information!
@crabtrap
@crabtrap 4 года назад
straight vinigar works great, but dont toss the nickle tank in there. 'aircraft stripper' wil remove the vent paint but leaves the orig enamal finish
@tarotangy
@tarotangy 6 месяцев назад
How did you polish the nickel? I have a nickel flute and it's turning a different color, I always clean it after using it. I've had it for 3 months, I don't know if it's from sweat.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 6 месяцев назад
How did I do it? Watch the video.
@tarotangy
@tarotangy 6 месяцев назад
@@king.coleman you use acid? Does ketchup or vinegar work too? I can't submerge the flute in water
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 6 месяцев назад
@@tarotangy Any mild acid solution will work. I know nothing about flutes nor do I know anything about the quality or durability of the nickel, so your results may vary.
@tarotangy
@tarotangy 6 месяцев назад
@@king.coleman In the description of the flute the top material is nickel and the material type is alloy steel
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 6 месяцев назад
@@tarotangy I know the quality of nickel used by Coleman on their products. I have no idea the quality of the nickel on your flute.
@wadeosceola6738
@wadeosceola6738 2 года назад
Good afternoon. Usually my comments are disguised as questions lol, I have a 202 professional that was just delivered. Will it be safe to use silk-lite string mantles #21a with this particular lantern, thank you
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
I'd use a Coleman 99 or Peerless 24A. The 202 is the same as a 200, both 300cp. For some reason Toronto always specified 99s for the 200 and 200A, but fairly early into production Wichita switched to specifying 21s for the 200A (and 202). 21s are okay, but I've noticed that these models light more easily with the larger 99 (or equivalent 24A) and run a bit brighter.
@wadeosceola6738
@wadeosceola6738 2 года назад
@@king.coleman o.k. thank you, I do appreciate all the professional advice . I want to be able to use these vintage lanterns obviously in the safest way possible. So, I will order the peerless 24 a mantles for this particular lantern . Thanks again !!
@Bornintheseat
@Bornintheseat 2 года назад
Im cleaning up a very similar looking 1954 236. Im guessing the acid would not be good for the original sticker mine still has. Any tips for gently cleaning the sticker? Its very nice red and silver with the coleman letters being textured that you can feel them.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
That doesn't sound original. To the best of my knowledge, they were using paper decals in 1954. If it's an American model maybe they were doing something different down there, but I've still never seen anything like that. Paper decals can usually be removed intact and pretty easily with a razor blade, then glued back on. If that's not an option I just skip the citric acid bath.
@Bornintheseat
@Bornintheseat 2 года назад
@@king.coleman It is paper, the letters are just elevated on the decal. It seems rare to find a 1954 nickel fount with an original sticker, but I see the same sticker albeit with more wear and tear on a 1954 500 nickle stove on ebay right now. Its so faded its hard to be sure if the letters and boarder are silver like mine, but the elevated letters are the same. My lantern came from a collapsed abandoned mining cabin in the moutains of northern bc so I don't think anyone would have replaced the sticker on it. 67 years is a long time though, anything could happen.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
@@Bornintheseat I've got a number of lanterns from 1954 with decals and can't say that any of them have raised lettering or silver edges. They're red printing on white. But, yes, the paper decals often did not survive. They were not as durable as the later decals.
@jimbothebluegillman9581
@jimbothebluegillman9581 3 года назад
Nice videos. I have a Quick Lite CQ that has a straight generator installed. Is this a modification someone did using a generator from another model?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
It's probably an R55. If it has an integrated cleaning needle and actuator, that's likely what it is. While they make lighting more difficult, the R55 was an "upgrade". The looped Q99 generators can be heated and lit with a match, but if the gas tip clogs, you have to shut it off, let it cool, remove it, poke the tip with a cleaning needle, then reinstall it. Not a big problem with today's fuel, but back in the day it would be quite frustrating if you had debris in your gas. The R55, with its integrated cleaning needle, resolved that hassle.
@stephensweet1161
@stephensweet1161 4 года назад
Good video. Do you have to remove the check value for this process? They are always my nemesis.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
No.
@samTollefson
@samTollefson Год назад
Do you use any kind of polish protectant with wax or something in it to try to keep future corrosion from happening?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman Год назад
I don't, but an automotive wax on the nickel founts might help. I think the biggest factor in preventing future "patina" is simply to keep them clean and dry.
@samTollefson
@samTollefson Год назад
Thank you for all your information! I have a couple old nickel fount lanterns I would like to restore.
@wadeosceola6738
@wadeosceola6738 2 года назад
Hi, good morning again. I'm sorry to bother you but is it normal for this particular model to take almost twenty min to full shut down, because it had me a little worried. I thought I could wait it out after I shut the main valve down but after about 18 minutes, I used the the tip cleaner option and I started getting some flames. It's completely shut down now . In about another twenty minutes, I'll take the pressure out.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
If the flame isn't out within at most a couple of minutes, the valve either isn't completely shut or there's a leak. Make sure the knob is good and tight. If it's still not shutting off, there may be debris in the valve seat preventing full closure or the seat or stem may have a small pit or a groove allowing fuel to seep through.
@wadeosceola6738
@wadeosceola6738 2 года назад
@@king.coleman Bill, good morning. I know your very busy but I myself like many other people do trust your suggestions and your advice. In regards to my 202 professional lantern , or any lantern I'm probably going to own . It's really humid and hot even in the early evening hours and early morning hours because of the temperatures 🌡 Florida experiences, what would your advice be on how long I should operate the lantern, also , when shutting down, I now prefer to first shut the main valve off , followed by immediately shutting the cleaning tip in the up position. It can take about three min. and after like a gulping or pumping noise everything shuts down.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
@@wadeosceola6738 You can run the lantern as long as you like. Natural variations in ambient temperature are nothing compared to how hot the lantern will get when running. You shouldn't need to use the cleaning needle to shut it off, but yes, they may sometimes make a pulsing or even a popping sound when burning out. Colemans tend to be pretty quiet and tame. Others, like AGMs, can make some relatively loud pops when going out due a lack of burner screen.
@mikedavidsen6944
@mikedavidsen6944 4 года назад
Great video! Questions: where do you get your citric acid mixture, and what concentration/boil times do you recommend?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
I buy my citric acid powder at a beer- and wine-making supply shop. I eyeball my measurements, but about 1 tsp per litre of water. The time will depend on the piece you're boiling. If you're cleaning brass parts, twenty minutes is usually sufficient. Cleaning a nickel fount could be anything between 15 and 30 minutes depending on how bad it is. After fifteen minutes I check every 5-10 minutes to be sure it's not damaging the nickel. For rust removal on steel parts you may need a stronger solution and, depending on how bad the rust is, it could take a couple of hours. The key is to check on it regularly.
@kenneth6731
@kenneth6731 3 года назад
Is there a coating that I can put on the frame of my 220 that will prevent rust, and not be toxic and can stand the heat?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
Some collectors spray them with high temperature silver paint. I don't care for the look, but it's pretty commonly done. High temperature clear coat is also an option. Rustoleum makes a cold galvanising "paint" in a spray can. It looks like flat grey primer if you leave it, but it polishes up very nicely and looks pretty close to the original finish on 220 burner frames with a little effort. I haven't tried it myself, but have been impressed by photos of what others have done with it.
@jayr.marchant9101
@jayr.marchant9101 3 года назад
Thanks Bill...very helpful. What buffing wheel did you use. I guess just a light with the paste?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
I use a medium buffing wheel and jeweller's rouge.
@donboss4465
@donboss4465 3 года назад
It would be good if you disclosed where I can get citric acid and how diluted you solution was.....
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
I eyeball it, but about 1 tsp per litre of water. I buy mine at a local shop that sells wine-making supplies. They sell it in 1kg and 2kg packages. You can buy smaller packages at a grocery store. I hear a lot of people buy larger quantities online.
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 2 года назад
Hello I needed your opinion on a Coleman 530 stove that is brass and nickel plated. I got it and I am taking a completely apart and to clean it and I was wondering what you would recommend besides citric acid to clean the base and the rails of it? And also inside the tank and overall what's the best thing that you would do with it thank you very much for your videos I love them
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
Are you asking about a substitute for citric acid? If so, I'd use white vinegar. If you're wanting to avoid cleaning with an acid solution, I'd start with a product like Simple Green or something similar.
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 2 года назад
@@king.coleman if I were to use white vinegar would I bring it up on a stove and let it simmer and put the parts inside or just let it sit overnight at room temperature do you recommend?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
@@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 You can use it hot or at room temperature. You're just wanting to soften or remove corrosion, which shouldn't take more than 15-30 minutes. Definitely don't leave it overnight or it'll eat right through the nickel plating. Up to 15 or 20 minutes in a vinegar bath should be just fine. After that--assuming it still needs some more time--check it every five minutes and don't exceed 30 minutes. If the nickel is thin, badly pitted, or badly oxidised the acid bath can damage it relatively quickly. If it's not bad to start with, I'd just put it in the sink and wrap it with vinegar-soaked paper towels for 15 minutes, then clean with degreaser and water before polishing.
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 2 года назад
@@king.coleman okay thank you very much for all the great information and expert advice. Any recommendations on what I should use to polish it
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886
@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 2 года назад
@@king.coleman also, what's your opinion on people who put little bb's in the fuel tank and shake it around to break up any corrosion that might be inside the tank
@johndelladio3507
@johndelladio3507 2 года назад
What type of polishing wheels are they on your bench grinder? Medium is all I heard you say
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
It's a cotton wheel with medium firmness. In between the hard "felt" wheels and the fluffy "soft" ones.
@johndelladio3507
@johndelladio3507 2 года назад
@@king.coleman does it have a brand Name, just trying to get exactly what you use. I have some of those spiral cotton ones but your wheel looks like a better deal
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
@@johndelladio3507 I just bought a new one and checked the packaging. The brand is ROK and it looks like they may have changed the description. The one I've been using is "medium", but the new one is identical and labelled "soft". From what I'm seeing online, it looks like ROK may have dropped the really fluffy wheel that was previously in their range. (I've got one and use it for applying wax.) Now it's just the soft sewn cotton wheel and the hard felt wheel.
@EGBrown-xs8iw
@EGBrown-xs8iw 3 года назад
What if you don't have a bench grinder, eh? What other pro-cesses would you recommend?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
There's always the option to polish by hand using a metal polish like Blue Magic or Mothers.
@EGBrown-xs8iw
@EGBrown-xs8iw 3 года назад
@@king.coleman Excellent thank you sir
@waterguy5924
@waterguy5924 3 года назад
You said "very mild solution of Citric Acid"....what is considered mild ?....IE: how much citric acid crystals to how much water ?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
I use about one teaspoon per litre of water.
@timepp5099
@timepp5099 3 года назад
If you had found pinholes in the bottom, what would you do?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
Scrap the fount. This is a common one and it would be easy to find another fount. If it were a rare or valuable model, I would likely try Caswell's gas tank sealer. In the past I would not have trusted gas tank sealer on a pressurised fount, but the last few years, Caswell has actually been marketing their product specifically for gas pressure lanterns and stoves and say that it will safely seal founts and tanks with pinholes and stress cracks.
@timepp5099
@timepp5099 3 года назад
Appreciate it.
@dennisgadd766
@dennisgadd766 2 года назад
What's the mix ratio of the citric acid?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 2 года назад
There's no magic number. I use roughly one teaspoon per litre of water. You can make the solution stronger if necessary, just remember that a stronger solution (or more time soaking in a weaker solution) increases the risk of damaging nickel plating.
@may2888
@may2888 3 года назад
Better than doing it by hand!
@stottnoble4413
@stottnoble4413 4 года назад
Have you ever used Evapo-rust on a nickel fount?
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
I have not. It's a good rust-remover. I'm not sure how well it'll do at cleaning other crud and oxidation off the nickel.
@crabtrap
@crabtrap 4 года назад
it will eat thru the nickle plating to the brass.
@donkibbler7812
@donkibbler7812 3 года назад
Was that a 242B
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 3 года назад
The lantern in the before and after photos was a 1957 200. The fount used in the video, as I said at the beginning, was from a 236.
@robertboyd7163
@robertboyd7163 4 года назад
Awesome!
@mikecagle984
@mikecagle984 Год назад
Did you show this "piece of junk" to the person you got it from when you were through?😂
@king.coleman
@king.coleman Год назад
I had the chance to show it to him a few weeks later. He was impressed with how well it had cleaned up. No...he didn't want it back.
@williamharper9893
@williamharper9893 4 года назад
dont start it with paint on the vent
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
I don't know what you're getting at. This video is about polishing nickel-plated founts and has nothing to do with painting or with vents. That said, don't paint vents. They're coated with porcelain, which can handle heat. Paint will burn off.
@williamharper9893
@williamharper9893 4 года назад
@@king.coleman Sorry. It looked like the vent was painted based on your before photo.
@king.coleman
@king.coleman 4 года назад
As I explained in the video, the vent had some high-temp silver paint on it when I acquired it. It's helpful to watch the videos before commenting.
@williamharper9893
@williamharper9893 4 года назад
@@king.coleman yes you did say that. Sorry I missed it so I guess I deserve the snarky condisention. Good day sir.
@donboss4465
@donboss4465 3 года назад
@@williamharper9893 you definitely deserved more snark than you received
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