G’day from “Down Unda” WHERE WAS THIS CLIP YESTERDAY BEFORE I BUSTED MY BUTT PULLING UP ANCHOR... You converted me in the first 30s. The very much for all your informative videos, it is a life saver for newbies like me. Keep the tips flowing...
Zip ties will work. As long as you have a system that will hold when on anchor and break when the anchor is stuck you are good. It is good if you double tie the zip ties back on the chain so you do not leave plastic in the ocean.
Cowboys use rope. Fishermen use line. Just like a map is to chart. Also the stainless steel wire on your anchor shackle should be rubber wrapped for safety and appearance. Nice video on retrieving your anchor. I have been using your method of trolling for salmon with whole herring. So simple yet effective. I used to use cut plug herring but I believe your method has a better presentation and rotation. Thanks.
Thanks! Interesting, I typically see people use the monel wire or plastic zip ties for the anchor shackle. Yeah, that way to hook up herring is fast and works for trolling or mooching. Thanks for watching Steve!
Yeah, that is another good way to do it. Many have suggested using ties that have a connection loop at the top so it can be connected back to the anchor, so the plastic can be recovered.
There can be no slack in the link in the uni-knots. The chain will be pulled from that connection if there is some slack you are pulling the chain from the knot connection so it is the rope there supporting all the push force, not the chain. That will break for sure.
I tie the excess off my knot around the eye of the anchor so that when it breaks it will come up with the anchor to be properly disposed of. I also tend to use zip ties for this task and it works really well for me versus tying a line around the eye. JMTCW
Captain Cody If you figure 8 the zip tie by attaching the first zip tie to the eye of the anchor onto the chain and the second zip tie goes around the eye of the anchor around the first zip tie so that when the zip tie snaps the other one will hold it in place.
@@NortheastFloridaPWC Once the one zip tie breaks off the anchor won't it also breaks of the other zip tie? I see some zip ties with a loop on the top of them that I think would work.
Good idea / cleaver / intuitive. Makes me wonder if putting the windless back on after chopping it off for renovations it worth the hassle. Only it would be good if you first tied knout around chain link so plastic is collected not inconvieniencing some poor fish. Also it looks like the Aluminium holding anchor thingy needs reinforcing back-plate going down to hull with support welds {so as not to put fracture bottom of hull}. Thanks for the anchor tip - Im new to all this - and theres valuable hindsight - thanks!
Yeah using and anchor ball is way better than hand pulling, that is for sure. Sometimes windless is nicer but depends on the setup and depth of anchoring. Wrapping any cleat works in most boats even without all the aluminum welding. Thanks for watching!
Thanks, I do not think the length is super important. If you buy an anchor ball with the ring it comes with a rope around 5 feet. That seems pretty long so some people cut them back as short as 18 inches.
Great video and information. With our 47’ cruising sailboat, I’m not sure how I feel about shackling the chain to the trip hole of our 25kg Rocna. Especially with any veering winds. Curious what trip methods you abandoned to arrive at this. Keep on sharing!
Yeah, that is a good point. The few times I anchored up overnight to sleep on boats we actually use another metal shackle and some metal zip ties to ensure it will not break free. The other methods I see are with metal or plastic zip ties. There are ones with top loops so you can recover the plastic when the anchor breaks free. I have never had a nice Rocna. My thought is you probably have a windlass and do not get stuck that often? A scuba trip if it does get stuck!
Newb here, trying to learn/research all the topics raised here. 30' sport cruiser, only fish occasionally, have a fluke anchor that is breaking at the welds, looking at a Bruce or Danforth 22lb to replace it, so obviously interested in not losing it. Love the Rocna - perhaps if confidence is VERY HIGH lol. The idea of a second, buoyed line to the head in lieu of a breakaway seems brilliant. But my boat doesn't even have room up in the anchor stow for a ball buoy as shown in this video (better solution? inflatable buoy?). Considering doing a custom windlass install but thats another conversation - cant get the OEM WL anymore. I have a 10' rode with heavy (I believe) 5/8" chain. What happens when anchored and wind shifts 180', without a breakaway? Unless your anchor has a hinge, won't it pull free anyway? Same with a breakaway I guess, just faster. I don't plan to overnight anchored often, but I will never forget doing so with my brother's 40' at Lake George island camping. We swam two anchors out offshore, since we would have trashed the dock and the hull on the rocks, with the size of the waves. This saved our boat, but in bigger seas might have broadsided the boat with a windshift and giant waves - not good...fortunately the islands provided some wind relief and we weathered it. Long night. I know a lot of questions here, and no right answer for all. Add to that the idea of backing up/moving forward during recovery - in danger of fouling my anchor line in the props - scares the hell out of me. Appreciate any/all insights...TIA. p.s. heading over to your 'knots' video...
I really like the Bruce for short term anchor situations. You can get an anchor ball with a open ring and carbiner. This allows you to store the ball anywere on boat. In the description I link to an article with the best anchors that show this at the bottom. For overnight the delta or Rocna like you say are very good. This is common for sailboats. If you do stay overnight place a metal shackle on the breakaway. If you try the anchor ball and do not like it then you could get an expensive windless setup, however an anchor ball is pretty easy to use.
@@CaptainCody7 Sorry I mistyped 5/8" - I meant 5/16", but I looked at my rode and it's 1/4" chain. What type of shackle are you recommending for the breakaway on the overnight scenario? Still nervous about motoring with the anchor line next to the boat...really need to practice this to get comfortable with the idea.
@@deraeler Yeah, practice when the seas are not to rough. It depends how big the hole on the anchor is and size of chain. There are actual metal shackles built to connect the chain to the loop in the rope that can work if you get the correct size. We add wire on the hole so the screw can not back out. Other times we have just used metal zip ties. You could also just move the anchor connection to the front possibly depending on the design.
It is an Allen Marine Orca. Built in Sitka Alaksa. I was just running it for the season but the boat is a beast. Really good to run in big waves and rainy weather.
But if you attach your anchor with twine then in a big blow the twine will break, the anchor as it only held at the base will also not hold and the boat will break free. IMO you might as well use a tiny anchor, it would have a similar effect. Otherwise I like the anchor ball retrieval system. I guessing it probably wouldn't work with a sailing boat as not fast enough.
I think an anchor ball would work for a sail boat. It would just take a bit longer and you need to be able to tie off to the front obviously. I have not had an issue with it breaking because of waves. It takes a pretty strong pull to break it free.
Thanks yeah, more chain makes it so you can get away with less scope in many situations. It is a bit depth, amount of chain, and type of anchor dependent though. Thanks for watching!
you dont always need 5:1 scope all depends on how much holding power you want/need. if it is calm conditions and need a temporary anchor you can use less scope but will have less holding power if conditions pick up
It would be easier to have a windlass pull the anchor. Imagine if you were surrounded by other boats how would you perform the anchor ball w/o dragging everyone else anchor? I would use the anchor ball technique if the anchor stock
Yeah, if you have a windless that is great. For smaller boats though it is hard to find one with 1000 plus feet of anchor line though. It really depends how the boat is setup and where you are fishing.
Well, many people recommend using zip ties with a top loop. Then use other zip ties to make it so they do not go into the water when they break. Seems like a good idea. I did not realize the rope would not easily biodegradable at the time.
Sí, esto es cierto. Algunas personas sugirieron atar el otro extremo a la cadena para que cuando se rompa, la cuerda esté en la cadena en lugar de en el océano. ¡Gracias por ver!
It's all fun and games until you realize that the nice subtle raising of the anchor is thwarted by the anchor being completely stuck and breaking a cleat, line, and having the bow pulled violently towards the line side. Been there.
Yeah, you do not go fast until you know the anchor has broken free. If it is stuck the front of the boat will just pull to the side. It happens fairly often with fluke style anchors without a breakaway. The anchor does have to be tied to the front of the boat. If it is tied off to the back or side it could sink or flip the boat. Thanks for watching!
It is an Allen Marine. They make most of the big whale watching boats in Alaska. The manufacturing is done in Sitka Alaska. I have a video on my channel where I do a boat tour of the boat. Thanks for watching Albert!
As long as it only breaks when pulling the anchor I am good with that. If it ever breaks when on anchored due to waves or changing winds, that would be an issue but I never had that happen. They break away should not be so strong that it pulls the boat sideways when using the anchor ball. Sometimes this may still happen if the anchor is really stuck on some structure and you have to pull from the right angle to get it out.
Captain Cody The fuse refers to the cord or tay wraps at the end of the anchor if you have the chain with a loop in bad weather is goin to brake and the anchor is going to snap out, you don’t want that, also if you have wind shifting you’re going to brake it to, if you’re aspecting bad weather is better to secure the chain with a shackle and tay a fender with in off line to float and when need it , pull it out from the back, 🤜🤛
Once again the problem here is littering the ocean when hoisting anger As the small nylon tie remains in the ocean and is not restrieved with the anker Solution is : 1 . Tie the tie first to the chain Then tie the tie to the anker bar 2 . Find a better tie system than in point one above , That will ensure total retrieval of tie material . 3 , Perhaps there is a metal clip designed to serve as a tie repetitively by design . Do research , make indepth enquiry , and through research and enquiry , You may actually solve the problem , Or actually design a chain-anker-bar-clip ( Or tie that remains on the chain or anker bar when the anker is hoisted ) BUT TO LITTER THE OCEAN IS NOT AN OPTION . JAH BLESS ... 🙏👍🏻👏🏻🔥🚶♂️
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, there are a few ways to not have the line end up in the ocean if the line breaks. Zip-ties that are zip-tied back to the chain is probably the easiest.
@@CaptainCody7 If you are sure of this And that was I think what I said that you are reflecting here Then PLEASE DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO REFLECT A METAL LINK THAT SERVES AS SUCH OR DESIGN ONE ?
Dan Cheeseman, it is not a good idea to tie off to the back of the boat. If the anchor gets stuck it can sink the boat really quickly. This has happened to many people. Professional charter captains can even get in trouble if this happens.
Captain Cody I do it only to retrieve the anchor, never to hold bottom. Although there are commercial grouper fishermen I know in Florida that do anchor on ledges by their stern. I agree with you though on this point.
@@dancheesman1752 In both cases you do not want to tie to the stern. People have sunk there boat when pulling anchor with it tied off to the stern. This happened where I fish and luckily people were nearby to rescue the people on the boat. It was cold water and could have been worse. When the rope is tied to the front and the anchor sticks it should just pull the front to the side and you can power down. If it is tied to the stern it can pull the back of the boat underwater.
Captain Cody we do it all the time that way so as not to get caught in the gear. Guess it depends on the boat also. We back down on fish also, which I’m guessing go you don’t normally do.
@@dancheesman1752 It really is a recipe for disaster Dan. In big seas, if you're running, trying to get the ball down the line and the anchor is hung, it can pull your stern under in a heartbeat.
Sir, please consider experimenting with a number of natural fibre tie-offs (ie hemp or sisal) to prevent waste plastic debris cluttering the oceans. Kind regards.
Thanks for the comment, after posting the video I found a few ways to not have the rope go into the ocean. They also make zip ties that attach to other zip ties on the chain. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCody7 Thankyou Sir. I mention it, non pejoratively, simply because for hundreds of years everything nautical was done only with natural fibres, and perhaps we could make some minor concessions - tackle wise - in that direction. Kind regards.
I did not have the anchor pull all season even in heavy winds and waves. Their are defiantly anchors with higher holding power such as a delta anchor. I wrote an article about the best anchor types and a link is provided in the video description. For sailboats and anchoring overnight there are better options. A bruce is great for a fishing boat anchor though and I like that it pulls backwards when stuck. Thanks for watching!
People have suggested to additionally tie the rope to the chain so it can be retrieved. Do you know of a good fabric that will dissigrate faster than nylon? Possibly dacron? Thanks for watching.
If used while anchoring next to a ship wreck while scuba diving, I would imagine that it is possible for the anchor to get hooked on the wreck if your not careful. I wonder what would happen if the anchor does not release or gets hooked on something like a wreck. Would your bow stay above water as you get pulled to a abrupt stop?
Julian Morrison What I do when fishing a wreck or rocks is use a rock anchor the spines are made to bend when pulled using boat..That’s what 99% of people use here in Chesapeake bay area and Offshore our wrecks ,they are pretty inexpensive too , just my two cents..lol
If the Bruce anchor gets stuck the cable ties should break and the anchor is pulled from the front releasing it. Sure depending on the structure, it is possible to get the anchor stuck. Never tie the anchor off to the back or middle of the boat as this can sink or flip a boat in a stuck anchor situation. When tied to the front the boat should just be pulled to the sided and the boat should be slowed down and or taken out of gear. If you go to fast it could still cause problems in the front so be reasonable.
John Carter fish the same area and most of us use rebar anchors we have friends wield up. I still use the eye at the top and zip line at bottom. Most the time it comes out easy this way
@@dancheesman1752 Interesting, that could work. Most people I saw used ba Bruce or Fluke. As I mentioned in my other comment make sure not to tie off to the stern when using an anchor ball to retrieve the anchor.
@@MihaiBLU Yeah, as shown in the video you are correct, line gets left behind. The better way to do it is to tie the line back to the chain after making the knots with the chain and anchor. That is one reason for posting videos so we can talk about better ways to do things. The way I showed is how many people do it. Lots of people commented about the line going into the ocean. At the time I had not thought about that and it is a good point. Almost all fishing line does not decompose quickly and should not be left in the water. Anchors need some breakaway system thought or the anchor and anchor line will get stuck more often resulting in a lot more gear being left behind. Tying the line back or using multiple zip ties is the best solution I know of for the breakaway system.
Americans have 40' boats with 3 or 4 or 6 massive outboard engines but they don't have a simple windlass. In Europe, nowadays, every boat over 25' has a windlass.
If tie rap is another name for a zip tie, I agree they are another good option. Some even have a tip loop so a second zip tie can be added so plastic does not end up in the ocean. Thanks for watching Mike!
Seems u don't want an anchor ... u need a weight. A large cone of concrete with an eye bolt thro it will hold u in the same conditons that wd hold with your rope-tie anchor arrangement ..... but needs no tripping buoy or line to pull it up, cos it never gets snagged.
Hmm I am not sure if that would work or not. Having a large concrete block on the boat does not seem like a good idea. Mushroom and river anchors are good for small boats in calm waters. I will say the 75 foot of chain really helps. Without this alot more line would need to be let out to get the right angle for the anchor.
@@CaptainCody7 My point is this - by disabling the function of your anchor, u have effectively turned it into a weight. Your concrete weight wouldn't weigh anymore than your anchor - it wd just be easier to handle, and no tripping system reqd.
@@CaptainCody7 .....we've turned just about every style anchor into a break-a-way simply by drilling a 3/8" hole up front and adding a screw pin shackle to attach the chain to the front.....works perfect...👌
Well, it is not obvious unless you actually see it done. The ball just help pull the anchor from the vertical position where it is most likely to come free.
Nope. Just watched it again. Makes no sense whatsoever to me. Why not just haul the anchor in instead of going through all that rigmarole?@@CaptainCody7
That's a dangerous way to release that anchor. You can buy hoop clips for the bouy that you can click on once you've released the anchor. Holding that ring while chain and rope flying through is a recipe for injury.
@@CaptainCody7 I used to work on a pro boat and we just hooked on the bouy when we were ready to pull. No dangerous anchor release. This was on a 50ft boat so, yeah, heavy duty.
@@CaptainCody7 If you lift it from the head it breaks out easily, can't suggest anything other than a winch though to alleviate lifting! - or crew! Round our way, we often have limited or crowded anchorages, which doesn't afford us space to use the buoy method.
There are ways to do it so the rope or zip ties stay attached to the chain. I did not realize it until I got lots of posts about rope ending up in the ocean.
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So you are dumpning a few feet of synthetic rope in the ocean every time you anchor? This rope will not degrade you know. It will litter the ocean for decades, if not centuries. I'm sure you can find a way so you don't have to do this. Use hemp or cotton line or just tie the end of the line to the anchor so you can hoist it back up and dispose of it responsibly.
Yeah, it is a better idea to tie the rope to the anchor chain so it can be disposed of properly. I do not know of any good strong hemp or cotton lines. Plastic zip ties work as well and can be zip tied to the anchor so they can be disposed of properly.
The line material used that I typically call gangen is Ashaway 150-pound tuna fishing line, it is made with solid braided nylon cord. Rope is not quite the right term and yeah it is commonly called twine.
Yeah, zip ties work as well if you have them. We have gangen line on the boat for halibut leaders and that is why it is commonly done this way in Alaska. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, lots of people commented about ways to not leave a line in the water. Zip ties that secure back to the chain or tieing the other end of the line to the chain are good ideas. I am not sure if organic ropes would be strong enough. Do you know of any heavy-duty organic rope?
@@CaptainCody7 no, not just now, but if the line is not super strong, just make more turns. Or make it so one end always will remain on the chains. Just saw the video with the twins girls, and they use thick strip ties. Will be in the water for 5-600 years... Same with nylon. I also fish, but always try to get the line back in. I put on tackle that break before line. I TRY at least. But thanks for the trick, I will test in a few months 😁
Most charter boats in Sitka use 75 foot of chain with a bruce anchor. This allows us to anchor up to around 600 feet of water with only 1075 feet of line. With an anchor ball it is easy to pull as well. In shallow water or different anchor styles you can get away with less chain if you have more that 3 to 1 scope to depth.
Well the hardest part of pulling anchor is getting it free from the bottom. Also the anchor ball does hold the wait of the chain until you are right at the chain.
I did not have much success on my boat cuz I could not get enough speed. I only achieved about five knots because I was in a crowded waterway. how much speed do you think you need to pull a 15 foot chain all the way through.