I think one of the most important takeaways is to avoid dying as much as possible. The biggest gap in gold doesn't come from kills, but the time that you can't farm and your lane opponent can. They're gonna go look for fights and die at some point, letting you catch up
it’s so easy to come back in this game. the game punishes you for playing aggressively and trying to push your lead, because once the laning phase is over, your opponent can just run away from you all game and free farm while you have nothing to do on the map because it’s so easy for the enemy to defend their base.
I tend to play strong initiators, but I've started to branch off from that because despite my clear and constant communication, it's like my team sees the opportunity and decides it'll be funnier if they just run away and ignore the opportunity. Idk how many Lash ults where I've snagged 4+ enemies ended up with me being totally alone and getting one-shotted because everyone decided to pick that moment to screw off. Idk how many objectives my team just handed over because they don't understand how to team fight at ALL lol. This is randoms AND my irl buddies. In fact just last night I got into an argument because there were 4 huge easy team fights where everyone was THERE and when I called out that I was about to initiate, they left. Three ignored opportunities to take walkers and one for rejuvenator. My team was ahead by ~12k and we had all won our lanes. They would just rather jungle than push objective. Went from what should have been a 20 minute win to an hour-long torture session. To be clear, I was Lash, one friend was Ivy, another Abrams. We had a bebop, haze, and seven as our randoms. Imagine being 10k+ ahead at 15 minutes with all that cc and damage and being too scared to commit on initiation. In 2 of the encounters it would've been a 6v5, and for the rejuvenator it was a 5v3 with one of us split pushing. To me, this seems egregiously stupid. I may actually not play with those people again. It's one thing to not know what's going on because no comms, or trying to farm because you've been behind. But I can't understand how you could prioritize a jungle camp over objectives when we're so obviously going to win those fights.
The rooftops in general seem to be underutilized in most games, despite how much advantage you can get from line of sight over 2 lanes, poking or ulting from a higher vantage point, and like you said all the breakables up there. Like when I play Gray Talon, Mcginnis or Bebop, I always consider ulting from rooftops because how much more area I can cover and how defensive it can be
The issue with crates is they are not always up. I go hunting for them after jungles normally, I also hit every one possible while running by. As more players learn about them, they will be up less often and there is no map indicator like there is for jungles.
@@xXbillymaysXx Yes they respawn, but what I was saying is there is no way to check if they are up without going to them. This could be a time waste if someone else cleared them. Where with jungles you get the icon on the map.
a thought process that is good to have to grasp these sort of things is understanding that if you die that's more you're giving the enemy. If you play passively and give them free farm it feels like they are getting more but they are actually getting less. Because if you pressure them they not only get the free farm but they get the cash from killing you too. Also keep in mind a lot of the times you don't need to win lane, you just need to not lose lane. There's a difference there. So if you lose lane focus on minimizing the loss rather than win the lane. There are such things as losing matchups. So by limiting your loss you give your self the opportunity to mount a huge come back
Seems like Deadlock makes it a bit easier to farm from behind than other MOBAs, what with camps not being claimed by a jungler and crates being all over the place.
Dota takes this approach too, but the jungle spawns at min 1 instead. The LoL/Smite dedicated jungler mindset is a trap for new Deadlock players. My friend from LoL was leaving camps for "the jungler" but the jungle is a tool for everyone.
This is deeply enlightening, the advise on the mental game is amazing. As a solo queuer I developed a bad habit of thinking if I lose my lane early it'll snowball to a loss.
I like how you emphasize the importance of mindset and attitude. Learned those the hard way myself and I know it can be really hard in any matchmaking lobbies when the teammates change each game.
I just wanna say im new to MOBAs and have been addicted to deadlock and its been very informative watching your videos, thanks for helping noobs like me not be shit
The mentality fix is definitely the best advice possible - it's not dota, there's no mmr/rank medal yet, you can chill out and have some fun no need to be aggressive
I’d really like to see you give a rundown of the Deadlock characters! When I was learning to play league, a lot of gamesense and macro came a lot easier when I understood what everyone else does and what their role is. If I can get a general sense of what everyone’s role is, what their strengths are, I feel it would help me make decisions on whether or not I can be aggressive in a lane, or win a fight against someone as a certain character. I don’t really find other people’s videos helpful, I’m not sure why. I really love your videos and I hope you keep making them!
One thing about "playing back" when behind is that securing orbs is much harder. Because every weapon is projectile-based in this game, the person standing closer to the trooper is always going to have the advantage when it comes to securing/denying soul orbs. I'm curious to hear your take on whether it'd be advisable to risk standing a bit closer when laning against an opponent that constantly denies your orbs.
As a MOBA expert I can say one great way to recover from a lost lane is to simply go gank other lanes. Its much better to just abandon the lane than risk keeping feeding over and over. Gank a lane and destroy the guardian. That nets your team a nice amount of souls and gets you more map control. But during the really early game you should just buy extra regen as your first item and try to play the lane extremely safely and focus on last hits and denies.
Thanks so much, this is very helpful. Something i would love to know eventually is the role of every character on the team, how they can recover from an early loss, and how they need to act when they're fed.
in many ways a "lost" lane or two is an advantage due to the map situation it creates, but at the same token you want to hold your first towers for as long as possible to deny the flex slot.
I'd love to see a video about priority objective after winning a teamfight. When do you go mid vs walker vs double guardians, when to take shrines etc.
After watching a good few matches, it seems like the best time to do midboss is when you've pushed enemy patron to weakened state. I guess the best strat is to back off if there's an enemy spawnwave incoming, and instead it's better to fight midboss so you can push into last with less consequences if your team loses it
One thing I find a bit surprising is that, with all of the farming being done in the early game, he didn't opt to buy Monster Rounds. I feel like if you're going to be PVEing for that long, they will absolutely pay for themselves quite quickly. You only need to be up 250 souls after having bought them, and the extra tankiness and damage vs creeps surely has to be worth it.
Really appreciate you discussing not only the mentality and strategy to recover from a lost lane, but also how this strategy will differ per hero. One thing I hope you or other people can answer is how should you be positioning or playing when losing as a close up bruiser like Abrams or Infernus. I tend to stay up too much because that's where the hero does (the most) damage, and I definitely end up dying too much and losing farm as a result. Should a hero like those two play as far back as Vindicta or Seven is during the video, or is there more of a middle position you can play to still be threatening to the enemy team?
I think it depends on how the lane goes. Abrams would def take the Vindicta route where AFK farming wouldn't be the best, but rotating around his ult cooldown would be ideal. Also good to analyze if you are a threat or food to them in that situation and play accordingly.
I think another thing to point out with the destroying crates and statues and such, is that it gives small stat bumps. But overtime collecting them will give you effectively an items worth of stats for free.
I would like a video about how to make character your main. How do you know a character is right for you? How do you learn that character most efficiently? What is your philosophy about finding a shop build that works for your character? When should you make your own build?
Find your fun, play your fun. I like playing dumb things so I try out a bunch of stuff in the sandbox. I go with a concept at first then figure out how the hell I'm going to get there.
you should make a video on how to come back from winning lane. i get multiple solo kills in lane just for my opponent to catch back up to me after a few minutes of farming jungle camps
if you can win and get their guardian, you should try to help your other lanes get theirs asap too. this will contribute more to your economy and give you more map control so you can steal their jungle and such
Great video, as always! When the game is further developed and hero specific guides won't be outdated so quickly, you could invite some really good one tricks or pro players to aid you in doing a deep dive into specific heroes, how to play when winning, losing, techs, builds, etc. Keep it up!
not being in lane to last hit minions also means enemies ahead cant deny their minion's souls to get that extra income, so you help by not pushing the lane like a drone and instead killing jungle and grabbing crates.
I’ve adapted better than I thought from being a controller-only player to trying to learn kb+m. But things like movement control and the crouch sliding on stairs for extra ammo is a weak point I could definitely use help with but don’t really know what to do other than “git gud”. I mostly play Lash and find the challenge of mastering his difficult movement really fun, however I’m far off from feeling like I can try my hand at Pocket 4 actives majestic leap etc. Maybe this isn’t the channel for “how to press buttons on your keyboard efficiently” but there could be something informational along those lines that can help with gameplay mechanics. Thanks for the great videos!
I’m curious to hear your thoughts and/or get a video on when to group up and when to push lanes during mid game. Obviously looking for a pick is ideal but showing examples of team communication and rotations during mid game would be super cool. I always feel like lower elo lobby’s are super confusing and it’s a coin toss if fights are together as a team or a small scramble at the edge of the map.
I'm curious how you'd recover a lost lane on a character who is less capable of farming jungle camps than like a Seven or Haze, but who also lacks a gold catch-up mechanic. Like an Ivy or Viscous won't clear a camp as fast as Seven and also don't have assassinate to really ramp up their souls in teamfights. Would be cool to have a follow-up video showing off more characters to see if there's other strats.
Topic: build pathing (at least on the characters you play) and circumstances where you might pick up talents or items in different orders? I'm not well versed in all the items yet and never really know what I should or shouldn't get, and just follow guides right now
this video is amazing and so helpful!! id love to see a video on the strengths and weaknesses of each hero in terms of laning, farming, brawling, ganking, etc
incredibly helpful! It's difficult to know what to do when you're losing a lane badly. This helped change my mentality. Thank you! Video idea: It would be helpful to have more in-depth hero guides for specific heroes based on the current meta. What build types are generally popular with this hero and why? Side note: if you could show the item/description as an image on the screen when they buy and remind us why they bought it and how it's helping, that would be HUGE. I rewatch your item video a lot, but it's difficult to keep track of everything and repetition helps.
honestly +1 to your video idea. There are some things that are meta like support Seven with double stun, but I don't really understand why a strategy like that is preferred over carrying with Seven's insane damage output
This is a great video! I main Geist, and I'm still not sure what strategy to go with when trying to recover. It's definitely something I'll be thinking about more
Winning lanes seems to be a whole lot less important in this game than a typical MOBA. Early game should be judged more by which team gets to ~50k and ~100k souls first.
topic I want more coverage on is how to go even or win lane in the first place, especially when I lack mechanical skill 😅 or how to at least not lose it as badly as the first seven clip
I'm a pro at recovering after badly losing a lane. Fact is, the enemy will often become arrogant and make mistakes, thinking he'll get easy kills. That opens up a lot of map meta gameplay farming for you if your team manages to avoid his ganks.
I was curious how you should go about games when it's not you that's feeding but some of your teammates. I've had multiple games where I have double the souls of my laner and multiple kills but I have 3 teammates that are like 0/5 before 7 minutes. I also mostly play Pocket and Paradox so I don't know if potentially it's just harder to carry on those characters or what the exact solution is
Would love to hear some advice on getting a passive team to push in. just played a match that went an extra 10 minutes because my time was not pushing into the enemy base, despite us having a 20-30k soul advantage. We almost lost that to the enemies playing aggressive into us.
Nice video! I feel like that vindictive clip is a bit of a tough example, because it only worked out because the enemy didn't capitalize on the rotations by taking any objectives. What would you do against opponents who are more proactive in closing off your map while you are trying to make this sort of play?
cool now do one for when you have 4 teammates who are losing their lanes hard while you aren't and how to turn that into a win instead of a wasted 40 minutes
Playing around cover is great, most of them have innate sustain and you can buy more. Anyone can hit creep souls from any distance (though some gun bullets travel slower)
I’ve had games where I’m losing hard and I may die once but the other loaner gets cocky and I start killing them multiple times. It gets worse if they easily get tilted and focus you only to get ganked
Ah interesting. So in first game he stayed on the lane (but far behind and in defensive mode). I guess that's the mentioned mentality thing, I would go into "I can't win this lane" mindset and instead flee to other solo lane, hoping to properly farm resulting 0 2 2 2 (and push solo opponent on new lane). Altering the fallback actions depending on the hero (playing on strengths) is also nice approach to know. Not sure where McG is placed here tho, her strengths seems varying (turrets to farm camps, wall to offensively help ganks, specter to play support).
Question, I often try to farm camps as much as possible and obviously prioritize enemy neutral camps when I win my lane, but I find that when I run out and start farming our neutral camps this creates a disparity between myself and my teammates. Should I be saving some of these neutral camps for my teammates or be greedy and deny those souls from potentially being stolen by the enemy? It often creates an effect where I have a good lead over my teammates and the enemy but often this gets noticed and the enemy starts buying to specifically counter me.
I mean, it happened 2 or 3 times to me to become that rage monster when I'm at 5 minutes in solo lane and literally 4 or 5 people dive me out of nowhere and the others in my team are just chilling in lane wondering why farming is easy and after 20 minutes I'm 10/5 with more souls of my entire team while I've at least 3 ppl that are 0/15 😂 That's the moment when you turn off the game and chill on something else.
My main problem is getting bogged down in pointless teamfights just after the laning phase and my farm deteriorates from there. I lose focus on macro and just keep ziplining into fights.
I am trying to figure out how to play vs hyper oppressive lanes like wraith/mmcginnis where they can just sit back and peg you repeatedly due to mag size and fire rate.
I need to start doing this. my weakest laning is on Infernus and I don't recognise when i need to just sit far back and catch waves and get ready to switch into jungling mode at 7 minutes. I love playing him but man do I make poor choices on him lol, I play much better on geist.
You just have to pray that your teammates had a better laning phase than you, the game’s still a moba so creating space is most crucial to recuperate, movement items are your friends, and if most of you and your teammates lost early game you better hope your enemies doesn’t end the game early and become lenient and make mistakes. Other than that, i think the reju and urn are the only comeback mechanics in this game.
Vindicta bug abusing her ult to instant fore when you scope while still soing 300plus damage a shot hopefully gets nerfed. Mystic burst on her is busted af
Usually i ask for swaps if i know matchup early game for me is just too unfortunate, i main lash, and most notably kelvin and McGinnis both fuck me hard early game due to lash being a diver and those 2 having a kit that makes enemy not approach as eagerly just fucks lash hard, lash can't do shit against freeze ray of kelvin or turrets + a wall of mcginnis
