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www.goldnscrap.com Platinum Refining Tutorial - part 1.
A complete process is demonstrated:
- cleaning & Dissolution with Aqua Regia.
- Precipitation.
- Calcining.
- Melting
Learn more about Gold, Silver and Platinum group metals Recovery and Refining methods and process. www.goldnscrap.com
Resource for this work:
Refining Precious Metal Wastes - c.m. Hoke
The Recovery and Refining of Precious Metals - C. W. Ammen
The "gold refining forum"
#goldnscrap #preciousmetals #palladiumrecovery #palladiumrefining #platinumrecovery #platinumrefining

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@koenman5534
@koenman5534 11 лет назад
what i like about his channel is that if you have a question. they always answer. and they are real experts. so plz keep making video's :D
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Your welcome. And thank you for the kind words!
@SparkyMcBiff
@SparkyMcBiff 11 лет назад
Some proper chemistry techniques are displayed here. Good job.
@daniloalvespereira627
@daniloalvespereira627 10 лет назад
Congratulations for share it. Totaly usefull. Tks so much.
@djsi38t
@djsi38t 11 лет назад
Gee,looks simple enough.Nice work my friend,you really know your stuff.
@oceanhouse8080
@oceanhouse8080 8 лет назад
would love to see a series on rhodium
@BadUncleIke
@BadUncleIke 12 лет назад
Very well done!
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
Thanks guys.
@smjakir080
@smjakir080 8 лет назад
Amazing tutorial
@richharrisonline
@richharrisonline 11 лет назад
Awesome vids!
@utooth8114
@utooth8114 11 лет назад
Thank you I've alloyed and used platinum but never refined. Will be doing so now :)
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
IIRC, that button weight was 8.8g. At current spot prices (1596$ an ounce), it will be worth around 450$. Though, selling Platinum is usually done at rates that are lower by few percents of the spot prices
@thomashumphreys4416
@thomashumphreys4416 4 года назад
Like your film on refining platinum thank you
@ghazighaznavi9696
@ghazighaznavi9696 Год назад
Sir Excellent much informative video. Again thanks with best regards.
@tracyoneal5030
@tracyoneal5030 8 лет назад
thanks just what i needed to know. very helpful thanks
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Hi As far as i can tell, what you had found is "current limit fuse". if you cut it half way you would probably find a coil or metal strip and silica powder. No PM's there... maybe some silver in the lid's solder.
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
@betadoctor No. In this video i strated with reletivly pure Platinum powder (snd solid beads). See part one of this tutorial.
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
@dawnshart IIRC, it was about 8.8g of pure Pt. That's a tad over 400$ at current market prices.
@geopana5105
@geopana5105 3 года назад
Thanks for it , sir.
@irunonwindows
@irunonwindows 11 лет назад
Nurdrage sent me. This channel is so cool! :)
@CARLOSCESPEDESbiocihealth
@CARLOSCESPEDESbiocihealth 2 года назад
Good job.!!
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Yes, LPG/Oxy is what i use to melt Pt.
@user-fl9yv6ee8h
@user-fl9yv6ee8h 3 года назад
I need your number phone please
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Have you tries hilding it in one hand and in the other hand a piece of lead? That way you can get a rough estimate if it's heavier or not. Holding Platinum in your hand always feels quite weird as it is so small and yet, so heavy.
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Cool !
@tanyakhoshaba1627
@tanyakhoshaba1627 9 лет назад
Thank u for the help
@negropalenkero
@negropalenkero 12 лет назад
thanks, you are the man
@Bladenball
@Bladenball 11 лет назад
you are a pro !
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
Sounds promising... very few metals and alloys will stay shiny after torch melt. Could you share more about this fuse? part num., maker, date, application etc'... Also, See on my website, how to test precious metals with SnCl2.
@janetsnow1175
@janetsnow1175 4 года назад
THANK YOU...I LIVE IN VERY POOR 3RD CLASS TOWN...I'M BEATEN DOWN...BUT THERE IS ALOT...OF PLATINUM....TANKS
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
@DaBossk Yes... loved it.... but also learnd its lesson :)
@erik1erik160
@erik1erik160 6 лет назад
Thanks for that.
@michealyarbrough6481
@michealyarbrough6481 12 лет назад
Very interesting
@yoyodidu
@yoyodidu 10 лет назад
Thank you so much
@umeshkushwah6837
@umeshkushwah6837 8 лет назад
ok
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
With larger amounts i produce shots. That's metal poured into cold water to produce beads.
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
Hello there... Nitric acid will not attack the Pd at this Pt/Pd proportions. Only Aqua Regia, in that case please reffer to the video and attached tutorial to gain pure or nearly pure platinum. Though, i would strongly advice you against making Pt only ring... it will deform before you notice... The most popular Platinum jewelry alloys are Pt90/Ir10 and Pt95/Ru5.
@mardarygiraldo5608
@mardarygiraldo5608 9 лет назад
very good
@WEELEEMAHADHADA
@WEELEEMAHADHADA 9 лет назад
thank u very much
@alfianjunaidi2974
@alfianjunaidi2974 5 лет назад
Thank you bro
@shahfahad2006
@shahfahad2006 6 лет назад
very very amezing sr
@89kevino
@89kevino 12 лет назад
very interesting
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
I would suspect any ratio of Pt and Pd will be pretty malleable as both of them are quite soft, Pt being slightly more malleable then Pd. Though, i have no metal work experiance with that alloy so i might be wrong. Perhaps if you roll it (cold) enough without harming its integrity you might be able to achaive the strength needed. Though, it important to know exactly when stress relief treatment is needed. A seasoned local jeweler might help you with that info.
@pilotv6440
@pilotv6440 3 года назад
Nice! Would you please more explain why should to use alumina sample or quartz glass for calcining. And how to hit right to avoid pt volume loosing?
@behzadebrahimi9981
@behzadebrahimi9981 Год назад
to prevent any penetration of metal into the melting pot, using porous melting pots and graphite pots can cause loosing a huge amount of platinum
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Most PGM's Ammonium salts can be burned. Remember, heating too rapidly will cause most salts to sublime.
@Phacias
@Phacias 12 лет назад
I love, comment and have subscribed long ago :)
@yougyny2
@yougyny2 11 лет назад
Can you easily gouge a chunk of absolutely pure platinum? I think I have some but I need this info to decide. It is extremely heavy, and looks like Pt . I also had some 10k Nitric acid dropped on it to which nothing happened. There is a bit of tiny copper filing from the case I had to file through in order to get to it . It was sealed in a pure high grade tube of copper and sealed . I found it in a river. It weights roughly a pound and I have only opened the one end but have not removed theingot
@tabasdezh
@tabasdezh 9 лет назад
Thanks a lot... I have 20 car catalyst which I want to extract their Platinums so do u I have to follow ur tutorial? is that possible that I melt whole the mixture of its powder which consists of Rhodium, Platinum and Palladium in order to extract them? someone said if u just melt them down then they'll dessolve and will be seperated when they coll down since they have different property and melting points...When you pour the mold, it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. do u think it's possible or they way u do is the best way?
@IvelBarajas
@IvelBarajas 12 лет назад
Hey how much Platimun did you obtained from 10 gr? or it was 10 oz? Thanks great video!
@yougyny2
@yougyny2 11 лет назад
I am a hobbyist and use my metal detector to find all sorts of old relics and that tube I sent you pics of is actually found in the river nearby . I have no info as to where it has come from and have gone to the archives building to research the logo and any mining in the area from when it appears to have come from. Only coal has been mined from this area.
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
I do not know what was the source of this platinum as it was given to me by a client. it was about 10g of Pt, you can calculate this according to the current market prices.
@Livescorewithrockybhai
@Livescorewithrockybhai Год назад
Nice
@hotrod9522
@hotrod9522 11 лет назад
this is cool do sell video to extract gold--platinum etc.----or did you take a class?-----I have a ton of old computers but I need to learn the process to extract and refine the metal and gold out of them
@jasonsweet228
@jasonsweet228 11 лет назад
This is interesting. Can you burn any salt to recover the metal?
@jasonsweet228
@jasonsweet228 11 лет назад
Thanks, can you burn all salts to reclaim the metal equally like chlorides, nitrates and sulfates?
@jawbraeka
@jawbraeka 11 лет назад
just curious to know, where was the scrap plainum taken from (what i mean was, as this taken from a catalytic convertor?) and how much did that weigh and how much would that have been worth?
@johnywalker1258
@johnywalker1258 5 лет назад
What kind of torch did you use to melt the sponge? Acetylene/oxygen? Hydrogen/oxygen?
@luvvalot9695
@luvvalot9695 11 лет назад
Do you not ever use a tin stirrer as a catalyst? What if you end up with an alloy bead of platinum and palladium? Is it possible to electroplate the gold platinum and pallladium off of computer and converter scrap directly?
@manimaranganesan4753
@manimaranganesan4753 2 месяца назад
Good.
@suckinDiesel44
@suckinDiesel44 10 лет назад
Why did you leave the filter paper with the platinum during the calcinating step? Will that not contaminate the product?
@InsomniacNL
@InsomniacNL 9 лет назад
It will completly burn up into H2O (l) and CO2(g). With such high temperatures they will simply evaporate and be gone
@1hardman161
@1hardman161 5 лет назад
I done several melts and got buttons of mixed metals. I wanted to remove the junk metals so I put the button in hot nitric acid and water and next morning got a white substance in the bottom. I took another button and put it in aqua regia and got the same white in the bottom. Any idea's of what this is? Its some kind of metal since it all melted to a liquid but at very hot temperature.
@AKENATON223
@AKENATON223 12 лет назад
ASOMBROSO MUY EDUCATIVO
@jackstewart2339
@jackstewart2339 4 года назад
When was platimum melting first discovered.
@hotrod9522
@hotrod9522 11 лет назад
did you exteact the plantinum from computers or do you have a souce and if so can you share the source or tell me what parts of the pc has platinum in it
@flamedrag18
@flamedrag18 12 лет назад
@indeedItdoes question? I'm looking around Ebay for a crucible and I put "crucible platinum", all these crucibles mark their maximum working temperature at 1450'C when platinum's melting point is 1772'C? doesn't the working temperature for the crucible need to be more then the melting point of the metal being melted or am I wrong?
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
@flamedrag18 You are correct with your thinking Sir. I can send you a link where you can buy online some very good crucibles for Pt if you are interested.
@AuraRisen
@AuraRisen 11 лет назад
The torch that you'r using, is it a GLP-Oxy or Ace-Oxy? Do you know is GLP-Oxy can melt platinum? Thanks!
@LastTruth23
@LastTruth23 12 лет назад
Wow you are a very smart man, do you produce more than one at a time? I assume you would?
@vylkyl
@vylkyl 11 лет назад
Ahh , popping corn while making the strong yellow crack !
@josephaarongermany
@josephaarongermany 12 лет назад
do you know if platinum is used in fuses for three phase transformers?? i used to make transformers and the fuses we used had a metal inside them(the fuse filament) that had the same characteristics as what you were melting in the video i took the filament and melted it and the more oxygen i put on my acetylene torch the cleaner and shinier the metal got, are there any other metals that do this???
@BolonaBilly
@BolonaBilly 10 лет назад
for casting platinum what kind of torch used acetylene or hydrogen?
@damianvincent9802
@damianvincent9802 6 лет назад
Is it possible to increase the purity of platinum during refining? I have a metal that contains 0 35% of platinum, if I refine it will the purity increase?
@Micro-Miner
@Micro-Miner 10 лет назад
What is the weight at the finish ? i have few kilos of thet and i wont you to make this for me i will pay for it with platinum thet you refiing of my scrap. pleas anwere me.
@josephaarongermany
@josephaarongermany 12 лет назад
also the metal i melted down from the filament looked exactly like the platinum you refined in the video
@damianvincent9802
@damianvincent9802 5 лет назад
If you process and refine 100kg of catalyst converter, how many kg of platinum would you recover?
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Pure Pt is quite soft metal, not very far from gold. You will need to test the density of this metal. Can you send a picture of this item? this all sounds a bit sketchy i must admit..
@luvvalot9695
@luvvalot9695 11 лет назад
How hard would it be to collect and condense the NH_CL4 for reuse?
@moto2x224
@moto2x224 4 года назад
how much did it yeild you started with 10 g how much in the end ? i fount 3 pounds of the raw
@jamcygalimba8006
@jamcygalimba8006 3 года назад
Good day sir!! just want to ask if you have an idea about the price of platinum nowadays per kilo? Tnx
@tecnogold4589
@tecnogold4589 7 лет назад
Is the disc all paladium or is it just a bath?
@ricorudman5006
@ricorudman5006 5 лет назад
Did you know that you don't have to calcine the platinum sponge if you have the proper chemicals? You can can convert the platinum sponge from a salt to a metallic state using formic acid and ammonia.
@theoreticalphilosophizer7119
@theoreticalphilosophizer7119 8 лет назад
this is so metal.
@josephaarongermany
@josephaarongermany 12 лет назад
dont have that info but i can get it, i quit workin there back in september... but its a brown ceramic fuse about a foot and a half long, 2.5" in diameter, used in three phase, padmount transformers, if you wanna know what a padmount looks like, its green, and you can usually see one near the drive through menu at mcdonalds, or other fast food restaurants lol
@ariesflores2421
@ariesflores2421 7 лет назад
I have a magnetic metal element but have mix of gold.silvery white.redish and greyish.this is a precious metal?
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 12 лет назад
First thing first. Is it heavy? :) like real heavy compared to its size?
@pilotv6440
@pilotv6440 4 года назад
Hi! could you answer a few questions? I have some platinum ore. But I could not get the yellow powder. The result is very strange. If you would be so kind, I could send you a few pictures of what I have and a more detailed description of what I have done. Even if you would be interested, I could send a few samples of the breed.
@ForestSongUnLTD
@ForestSongUnLTD 11 лет назад
what is your sample holder made of?
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
IIRC 9.8g
@Dredreckon
@Dredreckon 11 лет назад
Hey should I use nitric acid if I've got dirt in it? :0)
@Redsiix
@Redsiix 11 лет назад
Was that pure platinum or is there still some impurities in it?
@papaversomniferum5247
@papaversomniferum5247 9 лет назад
where do i buy the equipment, beakers vaccum etc? as well as the chemicals... ican only find on google, mass purchase sites, and idont have much platinum to mess with, maybe to do this much in the video, maybe twice as much... but still can someone please help, also how to seperate 3 different metals from one source?
@johnsheppard1476
@johnsheppard1476 5 лет назад
Depends on which metals do you have!I suggest that you have standard mix of 10×Pt/1×Rh/10×Pd right?*that is the proportion of PGMs in cat converter material!😉 The way I am implementing is following:first of all dissolving palladium with nitric acid,than applying hot aqua regia and wait until platinum dissolves completely-filter rhodium sponge-adding Sodium chloride until no reaction happens and than drying the solution to completion-re-dissolving the solids in anhydrous ethanol and so having all the rest of rhodium in form of sodium hexachloro rhodate(Na3RhCl6),which is completely insoluble in ethanol-smelting rhodium sponge together with washed by ethanol filtered sodium hexachloro rhodate which obviously decompose and so get the beautiful rhodium bead,than the rest of the solution containing all platinum in form of sodium hexachloroplatinate and hexachloroplatinic acid in ethanol so what I usually do next is I ignite everything and so get the platinum sponge embedded in some leftovers of all previous steps so since they all volatilize before the platinum melts so just smelt it and here we are!😉 If you have any other elements instead I can anyway help you in separating them!
@Chris-PR
@Chris-PR 5 лет назад
Damn smart people
@TM33-3
@TM33-3 6 лет назад
Hi, how to refine PGM from metal catalitic convertor?
@gregorypeeper3498
@gregorypeeper3498 10 лет назад
Okay, so you've come this far and followed the video to a tee, and now have this shiny Platinum button. What do you do with it now?
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 10 лет назад
Sit back, have a beer and appreciate what you have accomplished. :-)
@gregorypeeper3498
@gregorypeeper3498 10 лет назад
More specific: Have you attempted to sell your refined Platinum, and if so, to whom. It seems most Gold and Silver buyers will not touch Platinum unless stamped as such.
@moxyguy7823
@moxyguy7823 9 лет назад
Gregory Peeper dont sell it to those gold and silver buyers anyways you will loose money if you do. find a precious metal buyer and talk to them. they pay anywhere from 95% to 98% spot.
@jeffw1267
@jeffw1267 7 лет назад
+Gregory Peeper He could have just sold the platinum in sponge from. Refiners like it because it's easy to assay. Though the platinum button looks very cool!
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
Alumina.
@IsettasRock
@IsettasRock 12 лет назад
No flux is used when melting Pt?
@user-zv1vn5fw3z
@user-zv1vn5fw3z 6 лет назад
👍
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
this is a regular oxy/propan torch.
@dejancosic4365
@dejancosic4365 6 лет назад
Please, anyone can explain to me how to remove the platinum from the catalyst. I have a lot of catalysts but I do not know how to make the process? Thank you
@abhivyas11
@abhivyas11 6 лет назад
You just convert honeycomb to powder from by help of ball mill and then you do chemical process with aquaregia (3PART HCL+1PART HNO3) AND WATER OF HOW MUCH WEIGHT OF HONEYCOMB OF CAT, AND SECOND METHOD USE (4PARTH HCL+1 PART H2O2), OR PUT POWDER IN FURNACE AND MELT ON APPROX 1800 DEGREE CENTIGRATE.
@jjinternationaljjinternati3688
Sir con u please tell how can I get platinum I have 2 kg of Mlcc how much I can get platinum and silver out of it
@luvvalot9695
@luvvalot9695 11 лет назад
Couldn't the drying ( removal of ammonia ) and the melting of the platinum be done in one step?
@louistournas120
@louistournas120 9 лет назад
There is no such thing as NH4Cl in the gas phase. It decomposes to NH3 and HCl. The NH3 burns with the oxygen in the air and makes N2 and H2O. Also, you should talk about the chemistry more.
@garylowe8601
@garylowe8601 8 лет назад
oooo. get you. someone's been busy on google.
@louistournas120
@louistournas120 8 лет назад
Gary Lowe Hehe. I am an amateur chemist. I didn't use google. I've known about it before the weeb and weeb engines and weeb porn.
@garylowe8601
@garylowe8601 8 лет назад
louis tournas lol. Sorry. I just come across so many Google know it alls, I sometimes forgot there are actually people who genuinely know things.
@kennethbournosy3006
@kennethbournosy3006 6 лет назад
I am late to party. did it sell. I believe I had a piece of platinum ore passed to me from my auncle do I have to go through this process to sell?
@tenacious645
@tenacious645 6 лет назад
Gary Lowe cause you can't genuinely know something from using the internet for information...
@indeedItdoes
@indeedItdoes 11 лет назад
The button in this video weight a bit over 9.5 grams.
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