I sympathize with them, imagine paying for a ticket and having to stand up for 45 minutes, then there's The smell, The people blasting music/talking loudly etc , I once did a 13 hour shift and managed to get a seat, only for some rude tourist to beg Me to give her my seat, no chance b London really is grim
Nice capture! Note that one of the train's "keys" is surrendered to the staff member during the process as reassurance to both parties that the train cannot be moved.
Actually it isn't necessarily the key to the train, although it can be thought of in that way. The 1972 stock used on the Bakerloo Line needs 2 separate keys to move: the main train key and the selector key. The former activates the cab and allows the driver to program in the route number and destination (for the automatic announcements, as well as to show the train number on the front of the train, which is used on TFL's Working Timetable). The latter key is used to actually move the reverser handle. This handle is basically like the gearstick in an automatic car, allowing you to select forwards and backwards. There are a couple of other indents in there, but those are not relevant. Once this selector key is in, the driver can select to put the train in forward mode, allowing him to drive it up to the end of the platform.
Good catch thanks for sharing, something probably everyone wonders what happens when something falls on the track. Well done staff and driver, looked safe and efficient
I dropped my debit card on the tracks at Baker Street once and this is how they retrieved it. I was actually so embarrassed but grateful for the staff who insisted on helping me get it back
This happened to me, 8am rush hour when I dropped my physical season ticket on the track. I have NEVER felt more humiliated in my life. Nothing compares to angry London commuters 😂
Can confirm as an angry London commuter this would infuriate me (if i was in a rush). Otherwise I’d be like wow something interesting on my boring commute 😃😅
In the 1970s, when London was in the midst of an IRA bombing campaign, one of my brothers left his school bag on a bus. When this was discovered the area around the bus was evacuated and the police (or army) bomb disposal team came and carried out a controlled explosion. A few days later during morning assembly (at school) the headmaster called my brother to come to the front to collect the damaged remains of his bag ... in front of hundreds of other pupils plus teachers....
We have a lot of people to move. If you drop something your poor coordination is your own fault and we're not going to make thousands late just for you unless the object is a risk to the trains
This is very kind. Here in Japan, punctuality is top priority and it is not rare that the dropped item cannot be retrieved until midnight, at which time the train service closes. There is a famous video of a man who gets upset because he is told that his dropped wallet would not be retrieved until late.
My shoe dropped off my foot between the carriage and platform somewhere in Japan. I continued on off, reached into my hiking pack and grabbed my hiking boots. I walked everywhere that month in hiking boots, forever looking for a cheap pair of slipons, but coming up short every time.
We have some of those but not on the bakerloo line. Although for some reason an announcement on this very platform asked passengers to stand back from the platform edge doors....
Oh they still do stupid things on the rail here, and it's n not a new phenomenon, back in the 80s not long after I had passed my guards course I covered a duty where the rostered crew were stood down for a few days after having a woman go under thier train, she had got down on the track to retrieve an item she had dropped. The driver was never quite the same after that 🥺
@@warweezil2802 Oh god. In Melbourne years ago kids were train surfing on the roofs, one kid got electrified. They also used to ride on the back of trains too. There are videos here of those incidents.
@@garynewton1263 I was luckier. There were 2 kids that boarded my train going south some years ago, I was running late and out of timetable order so I was pushing on quite quickly, we had caught the train ahead and we sitting at a red stn starter when I took a look back thru the spy hole in the cab I could see one looking thru the connecting did to the trailer car, I decided to take a look, pulled out my reverser key ( you could do that in 59 stock) walked back but saw nothing in the next car, I turned to go back to the cab but after a couple of steps realised I had seen something that wasn't right. There was a boy trapped between the car bulkheads on the right, he had been riding between the cars holding onto the depot rail that is the for use when the car is disconnected for overhaul etc. The fact that I had braked quite hard on a platform with a down gradient and the fact that the platform had a right hand curve pinned him there above a current rail carrying 410vdc. I sent my guard to get the station staff but had managed to extract him with the aid of a passenger ( thank you sir you help was greatly appreciated) I couldn't risk moving the train as one the brakes were released the would be a risk that the drawbar between cars would go slack relaxing the grip the bulkheads had on him and probably dropping him into the rail. Long story short it caused a 5 min delay and I ended up with a commendation on my record
@@warweezil2802 Oh god, I think I understand most of what you were saying. Obviously there's different terms in use between British Rail and Victorian Railways here. I was supposed to become a suburban train driver upon leaving Tech school but failed year 10 in 1983. Never went back and become a Print Finisher. You know what, after seeing lots of videos of trains and collisions, derailments and people being hit by trains I'm glad I didn't get into it. Should have got into signalling and train controlling. I actually was on a regional train in 2012 when a young boy got hit chasing after his dog near the line, I felt the impact. It was a V Line train travelling over 110 Kmh from Ballarat to Southern Cross (Melbourne). Anyway, I wish people would value their lives more!
Makes sense. Where there is a conductor, when train is in the platform, staff can put arm between the platform and train. Conductor will keep doors open, which keeps brakes on, and driver won’t move until they get the double buzz anyway.
Your video appeared on my feed and I felt somehow seemed familiar. I was standing beside you in the white jacket when they were retrieving the item 😂 Glad to be able to see them in action though👍🏼
That was your big break. You could have been a star! You could have had it all...wine, women, wombats. You could have moved to Hollywood and lived in a mansion and got a fake tan. Air kissed vacuous bimbo's and pretended to care about the poor. Won awards and broken hearts. Then, on your fifth marriage, ravaged by alcoholism and STDs you finally succumbed to your inherent nihilism and end it all in a lukewarm bath and a bottle of pills. Your gravesite would become a shrine to your legions of fans and talkshow hosts will pretend to have been your friend. And people will say... remember that Jim Vitaya-something or other? He could have had it all, but he blew it because he didn't seize the one chance he had...on that fateful day next to the tracks.
The power rails are in the middle and on the far side. The running rails only have a very small amount of power running through them to work the signal system ( only on lines that still have the old fashioned signals)
There is a lot more organisation behind the scenes for this procedure. It’s only authorised if it can be done without access to the track and will not cause a significant delay. The driver is notified in advance that his train will be used. Very rarely is it done during the peak and occasionally it has to be done during engineering for safety reasons. Tbh, It can’t be that difficult for people to not drop stuff on the track!
That one large gap due to a platform curving: am I a joke to you? I mean... It is rare for stuff to get dropped down the gap but some people do have arthritis, causing their hand to drop something at the worst spot. I'm unsure how it was a child's bag but still. It's possible, even unintentionally.
@@eswnl1 at the point where you drop it!!! You should NEVER go down on the track to retrieve items dropped. If you lost your footing or couldn't get back up onto the platform a train isn't likely to stop before it dissects your very flimsy body. These machines take some stopping and unless the driver is aware that the train needs to stop short then the braking will have been judged to stop in the normal place and you may not be seen until it is too late to save your life. The rails are a dangerous environment for the untrained. STAY ON THE PLATFORM!
I think they should put adverts on tv to advise and guide the public of such an incident. Many have lost their lives retrieving their belongings on track. It would be good educating the kids also. Lots of kids drop their phones and go get them.
Anything that stops trains is bad news, all the trains behind it are halted too,, can cause additional problems with people panicing on hot , stuffy crowded trains. Passenger information is key. Its very unsual to stop the service during traffic hours, items usually have to be retreived during engineering hours unless there is a definate safety usse to trains, like something fouling the rails or likely to operate a tripcock. Rubbish blown into tunnels where there are points can foul the blades and really foul up the service so its a delicate call on the part of the traffic controller as to whether suspend the service for retreval.
Another example of why driver only operation / driverless trains is not helpful to anybody except those looking to maximise profit at the expense of safety. Solidarity with all LU staff and RMT members.
@@unclepodger Vic Line is driver less, Yes they have someone sitting in the front but the train is controlled by the signaling system, as is, Hammersmith & city, Northern, None of thoes have PED's
The safety is not a concern since usually driverless systems have a station monitor who can perform an emergency stop if there's need to. Also, it kinda funny how put "solidarity" into that. Are you more concerned with a safety or some people's paychecks? Either way, they're not going anywhere, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria and Central lines, as well as Circle and central sections of Met, District and H&C lines are basically driverless (they use ATO which is basically the same thing, with only difference that it require supervision), yet the drivers are still there.
Here in Sydney Australia we do something similar EXCEPT the train is stopped on the approach end of the platform irrespective of where the dropped item is located. Also items are never retrieved during peak hour.
It makes sense to stop the train and get rid of the bag, if it got caught on the bottom of the train and wrapped around a wheel, it might cause problems with a train.
Well done station people. I presume that was the master key the driver handed to the station person to ensure the train wouldn't move. I wonder if you could do that with ATO?
See no reason why not with ATO, at least in the way it's done on the underground, because LUL currently uses semi-automatic ATO (train driving automatic being babysat by the driver). But DLR would be an interesting one!
@@jess.hawkins With ATO the driver would remove the RLK 22 key which selects forward. It's like a door key. I think it's RLK 22 it's 5 years since I've driven a Northern Line train!
Where ATO is in play the driver would be asked to approach the next platform in manual and stop where required by station staff. Then they’d fully secure the train and remove the train key before handing it to station staff.
@@flightsimmer9809 @AlexMetroman That’s interesting. Why’s that? Why can’t they just manually release the doors? I’d have thought that they would’ve made the doors easy to reset afterwards, but I guess they aren’t then.
I am honestly stunned on the fact the metro driver was wearing normal civilian clothing, I thought he would have a hi-vis jacket or some sort of uniform. Still a pretty good video though
On Manchester trams the drivers have to wear hi vis when riding on the tram as a passenger, or when they have to get out of the team for any work related reason. When driving most of them remove it, so I am guessing that's allowed as so many of them do so. Practice is the same on Network Rail for drivers and guards: they put on hi vis if there's any need to inspect the outside of the train, for example, but I've never seen than in hi vis when checking tickets (though they are in uniform then). I'm guessing that the rules are similar on the Underground and that the driver had a hi vis jacket somewhere nearby
It's freezing cold being a tube train driver. They are meant to wear a high vis or high vis clothing but you can wear a coat or jumper (during winter months) as long as it isn't restrictive and keeps you and your hands warm. Or, he may also have taken it off before he appeared, or he's just a reckless person who cares for no one's safety.
I assume staff see from a CCTV system that something has been dropped on the tracks,rather than a member of the public having to find a member of staff to tell them.
This is why you stand BEHIND the line. The line is a Safety Measure to prevent you from dropping your belongings, falling onto the tracks, and more importantly; from getting hit by an incoming train. The parent/career(s) of that child need to be warned! You need to pay attention to your children, especially in a place like a Train Station that has live Train Lines running through them.
I finally know why they say "mind the gap", because you have stations on a bend and the trains do not cover it. I have only ever been to straight stations.
The safest way to retrieve something from the track is to firstly remove shoes and socks for more purchase, jump down then straddle the track so both feet are firmly on each rail , then keeping the back straight and bend at the knees as you pick up the object. Oh and of course take the keys off the driver first !
@@daikicipolloni3151 Sounds right. This is probably similar to lockout-tagout. With the brake key missing, the train can't move, and therefore it prevents an accident by miscommunication. Once the 'item retrieval operator' gets the item from the line, they can return the key. In electrical and mechanical work, lockout-tagout padlocks are used for a similar purpose.
A world where EVERYBODY is doing something so critically important, like coffees, pilates classes, meetings, Jo's leaving do, and ignoring everything related to their safety. But because they get paid too much for their lowly output, they have to be seen as above it. We need these people to have stupid accidents for us, so we can remain safe. Top tip, stand right on the edge of the platform and you can get to A and E first.
they’re rlly nice i lost my shoe at barking and they said i had to wait til no more trains were running so i went home with one shoe on and had to come back the next day as they only retrieved it at 1am
Never seen that in real life. Nice! For reference: Making other tube users more than 0.2 seconds later than usual is a crime in London, punishable by stern looks, pursed lips, and occasionaly thin smiles. Yeah. I do not kid. You don't want to go there. If you're very lucky, someone might even call you a name, or apologise passive-aggressively, but that would break standard 'no-interaction' protocols and the last thing we want is for civil society to break down completely over a bag.
to the people asking what he hands her, read the other comments and/or watch/listen to the video you can clearly hear the female asking to have the key for her protection
The train has a cab at each end. The "key" system is actually designed, I think, to make sure that the train can only be driven from one cab at any one time.
@@trueriver1950 more than that, on this stock it also controls the air supply used to release the westinghouse brake and actuate the trains control governor without which the motors will not engage
LUL Platform Staff - Eh wagawan, give me yo master key! Doesn't jack the train but retrieves bag Driver - Safe ting fam! This scenario was not included in the TSW3 update!
Do they... Do they take the train's keys off the driver as a safety precaution? I saw the staff with the stick take something from the driver and pocket it after the parking brake went on. Pretty funny but also makes total sense!
Yes. It’s called Lock Out/Tag Out. In a dangerous situation, you lock up the key (or this this case, give it to the person performing the dangerous task) so the equipment can’t be used until all persons are safe by removing their lock (or giving the key back in this case).
its called using ur brain which americans dont have so its new to them. any accident switch car off, switch fork lift MHE off turn all equipment off, someone trapped in a hydraulic press switch off. see nothing new, same scenario taking key out if u had brains.
Nope this is London and you will be heavily resented for taking a even a few seconds or minutes out of someones day. When I was around 18 I worked in a Supermarket and someone had a seizure in the aisle and split their head open on the floor when they fell and started bleeding. I saw people literally step over them and continue shopping rather than give up a minute of their day to get help. It was genuinely shocking. Living in London you do become very desensitised to the suffering of others. Could be the same for most major cities I don’t t know.
If this happens in India the staff will just dive on the rails, pick the stuff with their hands and jump on the platform within the timeframe of the train's stoppage.
Everyone discussing how the bag was picked up.. but how did it end up there in the first place?! I’m presuming it was whipped off of the owner by the air flow from the previous train leaving..?
There was radio conversation about shutting off the traction current, I think they may have, concluded that this was unnecessary as the bag was on the platform side, the opposite to the conductor rail.
@@littlewickhamtrolleys how do you tell the difference between a conductor rail ? The WHITE plates that raise the track this indicates its a LIVE conductor rail. Worked on tracks for years so i know full well wat im talking about . Also they wouldnt have switched any track off either . That would cost them 1k per every min they had to turn it off
@@TreeMoviesactually all rails have voltage running through them. Only 2 are high voltage. The running rails (where the wheels sit) have 12 volts which is for the signalling system.
That actually happened once on an episode of the tube documentary (2016). From what I can remember, I think the driver just grabbed the keys by reaching for them on the tracks
An interesting view of procedure here - In particular how the train itself is used to effect protection of line (Biggest track circuit clip I've ever seen! 🤣) and then the train key is used as a „token“ to assure the platform staff that it is safe to reach into the train profile to retrieve the item. 👍 I'd always though that if I ever dropped anything onto the track that I'd need to wait until _after_ the next X trains had passed before a possession could be taken for retrieval, but in this case the possession would be effected by the means of the train itself. In the main this makes a lot of sense, and for a short stoppage of this nature it's much more straightforward than having to request possession of line from the control office. 🚇 And on an entirely unrelated note: That driver... 😍😇
If that had happened in America there would have been whoops and hollering, whistles and clapping as if they had just pulled a baby from a pram that had fallen onto the tracks seconds before the train struck.
Should be put in place of edge barrel doors for safety like a jubilee line. That waste of time they put rubbish on the line cause be delays. That can effect the track cause signal failures!
@@KGM338 Wow, what's expected of a load of rubbish on the London Underground Railtrack cause serious signal system failures... Or still nothing can do, still the train running gotta be worst on the service??... Aya, aye, aye!! 😰
You should be forced to give up any items you drop on to the track as punishment. The tube is supposed to be extremely efficient - the train arrives, you get on/off and it leaves usually within 30 seconds. If you’ve caused a delay you should be fined/punished, you shouldn’t be that close to the track that you can drop something on it.
The problem at Waterloo is due to the platform being on a tight bend there is a significant gap to mind from the centre doors of each car. I can imagine stopping a small child falling down it is the priority while getting off.
