How to Set Up an IP Security Camera System from Scratch

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Setting up an IP security camera system isn't as hard as it sounds. In this video, we break it down for you step-by-step so you know exactly how to get started.
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📋 Video Outline
00:00 - Introduction
01:09 - Needed Equipment
05:11 - NVR Setup
08:52 - IP Camera Setup (with NVR)
13:46 - IP Camera Setup (with PoE Switch)
19:34 - Recording Footage
21:15 - Remote Access & P2P
23:24 - Conclusion
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@joefischetti2383 7 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for taking the time to produce this very informative video! You’ve answered so many questions that I had and you explained everything clearly. Thanks again!

@ApicalTrades 2 года назад

Thanks a lot. It was the best tutorial I have watched about setting up my system. Highly apprecciated.

@alextaramsari 2 года назад

What a fantastic and clear video!! Thank you!

@nestortorres5458 Год назад

This is a great video for anyone who is learning how these installs work. Other than the reflection of lights on the monitor screen, it is a great video. Thanks for sharing this very helpful video instruction. 🙂

@mikeandrews6543 11 месяцев назад

These step by step videos are always great for learners of junior techs

@tomyatesy Год назад

By the way, shouldn't disabled DHCP. If you don't want the IP to change, you should log in to your router and assign all your cameras "static" IPs (usually a checkbox). As this is stored on your router, if you get a new router or do a factory reset, you will need to repeat the process, but you should be able to set the same IPs. Disabling DHCP can lead to unpredictable things happening.

@jibuluenumah 2 года назад

this was well taught. i enjoyed it

@basi76 Год назад

Great Video! I got one question: Can I plug an existing switch on which cameras are allready plugged into, to a brand new NVR?

@tutulislam2851 Год назад

I really enjoyed this video...Thank you very much❤️❤️

@munibullahmarunda7051 Год назад

Best tutorial channel ever

@joelogbu5410 2 года назад

it was really helpful. thanks

@themessenjur7140 5 месяцев назад

This is an awesome video, great detail. Thanks.

@Hewagej Год назад

Excellent video Thanks ❤

@yevgeniyshawyer2767 Год назад

Awesome video!!! Thanks dude!!!

@harrythuo Год назад

Helpful video Thank you

@user-es9yi6os1f Год назад

Thanks for the detailed instruction!

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@adelalammadi9410 2 года назад

Thanks for the tutorial

@fideljames3822 Год назад

Very very easy to understand

@marchmonkey7768 Год назад

nice video, very clear

@dc-wp8oc 2 года назад

Awesome presentation. Is there any way to know or calculate the total bandwidth impact of the cameras, to an existing internet network?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Yes you can calculate camera bandwidth using this tool here -> tools.hikvision.com/calculatorTool/index.html#/ The EZTools PC software has a bandwidth calc as well -> www.nellyssecurity.com/media/software/uniview/windows/EZTools-B1122.2.1.0.zip

@osafonanaagyei9459 2 года назад

I have really learn some thing ...thank u sir

@tysonswannell7234 Год назад

Two things, you should explain about dhcp reservation or changing the dhcp range, a easy way to get around the network traffic and security is to use vlans on managed switches

@bencartlidge6472 9 месяцев назад

That is more technical than what this video is covering. If you are just setting up a home system and using these videos then you don't really need to. If you are setting up for a large multiple camera system then there are videos on network setups that can show how to accomplish those tasks. Nelly's also has awesome customer support that can walk you through various setup configurations for your application.

@adeyefavictor7058 4 месяца назад

Thanks,really educative

@abdomesbahi 7 месяцев назад

Amazing video. That was very helpful, thanks!

@NellysSecurity 6 месяцев назад

Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching

@teclote 10 месяцев назад

Outstanding presentation, very clear, thank you.

@NellysSecurity 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching!

@BASE-hb1ji Год назад

Great video - Thanks. Planning on installing UNV cams to my home so this was extremely helpful. My router isn't where my NVR will be terminated and don't want wires running through the house, so just wondering if there is anyway that i can wirelessly connect my NVR to my home network or does it have to be hardwired using a network cable as you explained in the video?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Thank you! You can use one of these in Client mode -> www.amazon.com/dp/B08D71Q5NY/ The NVR will wire to it, and that AP will convert a wifi signal to a hardline connection.

@BASE-hb1ji Год назад

Perfect thank you@@NellysSecurity ✅

@loucinci3922 Год назад

Good info. Thanks

@henrygomez1174 Год назад

The best of the best. Thank you

@jcmorenodos22 Месяц назад

Muchisimas gracias por el video tan bueno y tan bien explicado from Malaga- Spain. Regards

@kepete2363 2 года назад

Hi. Loved the video and I'm looking around about setting mine up

@alexamponsahomane7925 Год назад

Thanks for sharing am really grateful..this is really great

@denymurphy8416 2 года назад

Learned a lot tks

@skybox-101 Год назад

Can we set it up to not be dependent on the network but in the nvr(just in case network goes down we are still able to record) BUT set up so we can at least view the live stream?

@supersport57 2 года назад

Great job

@qzorn4440 Год назад

interesting way to monitor various locations at once.. 😎

@hottrizzle Месяц назад

🎉Great Information 👍🏽

@OYMInternetRadio 2 года назад

Thank you for your video. I have a question - I want to purchase an NVR but I won't be running POE, just normal net cables. I assume you can power the cameras normally? but will they work via a powerline homeplug adapter? I already have a couple of individual IP cameras working ok but an NVR would be much better. Also, if you do a port forwarding on the router (external static IP address to internal static IP address), can you not see the NVR and the cameras?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Hello! Yes most cameras do have a 12vDC power input along with the RJ45 connection. So POE isnt 100% required, but its nice to have! Typically you will just port forward the NVR, and the cameras will be viewed through the NVR.

@SajidAli-ku7vx 2 года назад

Helpful....👍👍👍

@WolfKyle63 Год назад

Great video! Question. . . If I set my ip cameras up on my network (24 port PoE), you indicated that it will gobble up band width. Can I just get a separate 8 port PoE switch separate from my 24 port switch? The other option would possibly be a second network dedicated to the camera's?

@bencartlidge6472 9 месяцев назад

Yes, a separate switch will work. Just make sure that switch is dedicated to the cameras and not connected to the main network. This basically creates a second network for the camera system separate from the main network.

@boobacly9103 Год назад

Amazing video

@supergreenenergytech6453 Год назад

Wow thanks for this video

@0725thebub 2 года назад

Be aware that if you let your router assign IP addresses you may not get the same address again if you have to restart the router. Better to update your router an assign an IP address to the dvr, that way you always grrt the same address.

@jakebumgarner4328 Год назад

can you explain how to do that

@Samlol23_drrich Год назад

@@jakebumgarner4328 watch videos on how to set a static ip address on your device. Its pretty easy but you need to watch a few. Your nvr will have a network tab. You just change where It says DHCP to static ip

@bencartlidge6472 9 месяцев назад

Easiest way is to turn on DHCP. Let it be assigned the address then turn off the DHCP setting. It will be a static address. Otherwise it requires knowing the address of your router and then choosing the static address for the NVR. If you can access the client list for your router it helps that way you don't assign a address that is already in use and cause IP conflicts.

@washpakistan992 2 года назад

For me, it was a nice lecture, I am nowadays searching for nice tools and guidance to install CCTV surveillance in my residence. Thumbs up... Please can you guide me how can I on-air an IP camera on the internet?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Thank you! Are you referring to live streaming a camera? If so, we made a little How To vid on that here -> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fzF4ojntQEc.html

@McmM-cv9sb 11 месяцев назад

That was very helpful I'm in the market for a security system I'll be following your Channel ...

@NellysSecurity 11 месяцев назад

Glad we could help! If you run into any questions while you're putting your system together, give us a call: 855-340-9999.

@hanksikorski1851 Год назад

Thanks for all the help. One question when connecting the NVR to the network you call for a hard wire is there a way to connect the NVR to the network using WiFi instead.

@NellysSecurity Год назад

If the NVR doesnt have wifi support, then you can use an access point that converts wifi to a hardwired connection for the nvr.

@jasondocks6961 2 года назад

Awesome video! This is so helpful. Does this work with any NVR system? I'm using a Swann NVR 8580. How can I find the IP addresses of these cameras?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Happy to hear it Jason! Swann is a different manufacturer than what we referenced in our Video. So their setup might be slightly different. I would reach out to Swann to get the proper steps on that, they may also have their own softwares as well to use.

@keningram2781 Месяц назад

What are the steps when replacing one of my existing 8 R series cameras with a new one , do I have to delete a existing camera first ? please post the steps to do this or do you have a video showing it. I have a :NSN-608(4K)-8P Thanks

@israeltavershima 5 месяцев назад

You are doing great Thank you very much ❤

@jonardochoa 2 года назад

on 22:04 the nvr is offline? can u still access it even though it is online? or how to make it online?

@abbahdaniel9438 Год назад

Good lecture

@truthseeker630 2 года назад

Definitely subscribed, thank you!

@jwyes7745 2 года назад

it was best "About us" on your website. I am also trying to build my own CCTV company now and I had quite good impression from your video and website. Hope your business goes well and be more successful in the future. Michael from South Korea.

@williamgipson856 3 месяца назад

This video was super helpful. I’m trying to get away from products like Arlo and Nest cameras that require a subscription and can be rendered outdated at the manufacturer’s discretion.

@powercable5397 2 года назад

Btw there is a way that you can see your cameras IP address when you cameras are connected to an internal POE switch, you just need a desktop switch you connect on one port your Internet cable coming from the router on the next port a cable coming from the internal POE switch and another cable going back to the Internet port on the nvr

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Yes that's correct! With the NVRs internal network being segregated from the local network, connecting a PC to an unused POE port via ethernet cable is usually what we'll recommend if any camera troubleshooting is needed to be done.

@amosbaah2875 Год назад

Sir can you please tell me more about up camera

@coolpeoplethings 4 месяца назад

Good content here.

@AR-ep7uw 2 дня назад

if I connect the camera to the switch box to have the extension but connect the network to the NVR would that still eat into the network band? or would that work via the NVR

@1961pelican 10 месяцев назад

nicely explained 🙂

@NellysSecurity 10 месяцев назад

Thanks! Hope it helped!

@InletKayaker Месяц назад

I saw the image was flipped on ur screen,can they be flipped so they show right side up when useing that type of came?

@ekpemawulidaniel35 3 месяца назад

Good job

@nengibenstowe1130 2 года назад

Good afternoon, I'm having issues with my camera, two cameras is showing one direction, what could be the cause ???

@arhaiti 5 месяцев назад

Very good

@kepete2363 2 года назад

Would you take the time to please show all your set up as you said you have a tonne of cameras around your property. Would appreciate greatly. Thanks 👌

@offgridmangogrower Год назад

In case I want to avoid an NVR….how do I find and use an sad card holder (for a lack of words) if it isn’t part of the camera. Setting up a remote camera with motion trigger and sd card appears more robust and less prone to being hijacked….

@CARDSSerus Год назад

With SD cards in the camera, if someone takes the card or the camera in general you're just SOL

@mainstreampropaganda7518 2 года назад

yeah, but to login to the camera outside of the internal network you would have to go through the NVR, right?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Thats correct! Most NVRs have a feature called "Virtual Host", which will allow you to log into the camera's web interface through the NVR from a local PC. Just note that this is usually only doable with plug n play devices, ONVIF usually wont allow this to work properly. Just be sure to verify that if its needed with the distributor that you purchase from! All of our UNV NVRs support it.

@ZhungyiChan Год назад

Would I need to format the hard drive before installing it into the NVR? Assuming I purchased the NVR and HDD separately.

@NellysSecurity Год назад

You shouldnt, the NVR will do its own formatting on the HDD after you install it.

@pfiltz Год назад

We're looking to go from WYZE wifi cams to CCTV system. I'll be contacting you guys sometime today, just to go over some questions I have. I'm just the I.T. guy here, and need to clarify some things in my head before purchasing.

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Sounds great Phillip! Please do reach out, our hours are 9am-5pm CST!

@pfiltz Год назад

@@NellysSecurity Will do

@taruvingamashayamombe1164 8 месяцев назад

Thank you

@favouruboh5766 Месяц назад

If i connect my network to my nvr and then i connect my nvr to a switch, will the switch be connected to network

@marytalavera3560 27 дней назад

I have thr Reolink tracking I did everything on here but it didn't work. Maybe I need to go ti general and enable white list or black list do you think? Please help I have been trying to get this NVR to work with my camer😢

@AdelAdel-hc9nk Год назад

question the port8 of the nvr which cable did you plug into it ? is it for power of the screen ?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

A Camera was plugged into Port8.

@hugomelchor9335 Год назад

Wow the best Security video i've watch ever! Question? I own a small restaurant and would like to stream it live on my home TV or Monitor? Any systems that are capable of streaming by browser or app or mac or pc?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Thanks for the kind words Hugo! All of our camera systems can be viewed via web browser as well as a TV via HDMI. Feel free to reach out to us -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999

@shanew7361 2 года назад

L42481-4AA4-E Accessory Power Pack Plus for Lorex Wire-Free Cameras (3-Cell, 2-Pack) Debating on getting 2-4 cameras. I need one for the front and back yard. Front of house faces north, south side gets back sun exposure. However, I live in MI and it gets -30F in the winter and no sun. I have outlets outside. Suggestions on a brand or brands that would work for my concerns. No lag between movements, leaves blowing creating false alerts, sunlight making the camera unable to see. I'd prefer not drilling holes through my home or walls but ideally no batteries to change outside etc.

@Majlis-Alalaiwat 6 месяцев назад

Hi, do we have to have nvr or direct connection to ip camera going to do our needs for live streaming?

@NellysSecurity 5 месяцев назад

If you go IP, you do not need an NVR unless you want to record your cameras or manage multiple cameras. If you have just a single camera with an SD card, you can get by with no recorder. Just log into your web interface to stream the camera's video feeds.

@joetchannel01 Месяц назад

If I want to watch my cameras on my Mac or laptop which application can use to watch them on a different network

@robbiemorrison89 2 года назад

Might an NVR run on 12v so I could use it in my RV, inside a security container? Helpful when off grid. Some cameras have SD recording, but thieves could steal the camera.

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Some NVRs can run off 12v! Or You could look into using an inverter to convert DC to AC for the NVR to support.

@robbiemorrison89 2 года назад

@@NellysSecurity I believe the best case is to get a hidden camera with SD card for RV use. The batteries with inverter on will be be drained if I had to source an NVR.

@brandonallen914 11 месяцев назад

Say you have an 8 channel nvr and you add a Poe switch for more cat6 sockets. Would the nvr still support that? Or not storing the video?

@NellysSecurity 11 месяцев назад

An 8-channel NVR will only support 8 channels, even if you add more ports via a switch. If you're using Uniview, you can still add more devices to your cloud account, so you can view them from your phone or PC alongside your NVR. You just won't be able to access them from the NVR itself. Hope this helps!

@brandonallen914 11 месяцев назад

@@NellysSecurity yes makes perfect sense. Another question, pardon my lack of knowledge. Why does a regular Ethernet switch have a power cord if it’s not converting to Poe?

@NellysSecurity 11 месяцев назад

Good question! A non-PoE Ethernet switch still has electrical components that take the signal coming into the switch and then split that signal accordingly to various devices. Power is required to manage the data flow and ensure that each device receives the appropriate amount of data.

@JNTimperley Год назад

Which hardwired POE+, NVR is less proprietary to other MFG cameras? I need to find a solution for 16 Cameras. or use other mfgrs flood light Dual lens / rotating 90 deg up down....180 deg rotate AI patrol tracking.

@bencartlidge6472 9 месяцев назад

If the other manufacturer uses onvif then there is a setting in the camera settings to use that to connect the cameras to the NVR. Go to the modify camera menu. The setting should be in there.

@srsrikkanth 2 года назад

Is there a cat6 without Poe? So says my builder but I can't find anything that says so on the net.

@GipsyDanger8934 2 года назад

your builder is crazy, if its got copper, electricity can be conducted through it, as is the case with any Ethernet Cable Hence you not finding anything on it... Ppl will take advantage of good ppl who dont know much about technology, be careful what you believe

@tomyatesy Год назад

Cat. 6 cables can carry PoE, but most standard switches don't provide PoE: they only send enough electricity to carry 1s and 0s. You need a switch that provides PoE.

@user-xt4ym4ot2t Год назад

Hi I have a ptz witch dozen work at night so is it in the cable or the camera the cable where made up so where would I find a cable diagram thanks

@NellysSecurity Год назад

I would reach out to the manufacturer of the PTZ for any diagrams or technical info on it!

@--Tamjid-- Год назад

i have dahua cameras and unv nvr. Should i use unvs tool or dahuas?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Always use the tools by the same manufacturer of system you have for best compatibility.

@AdelAdel-hc9nk Год назад

another question could i use my laptop instead of NVR if i have a PoE and a switch ?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Technically yes you can. There are 3rd party softwares out there that can turn your PC into a recorder. Blue Iris is one example.

@clopes87 8 месяцев назад

May i ask why poe is limited to 350 feet. Is that speaking along the channel, or as a straight path between nodes?

@NellysSecurity 8 месяцев назад

There are limitations on how far the data and the power can travel. However, this can be overcome with specialized PoE switches with an extend mode, or with PoE extenders and repeaters. Check out our PoE video for more info: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C2fAbq6QZyA.htmlsi=cBseDaJ4W2ez_GEF

@slyr1 2 года назад

Is there a simple system that can work with my phone since I’m at work all day I’d like to keep an eye on my house the front door is there anything You could recommend

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Sure! Id recommend either our Uniarch line, or our R-series line! Feel free to reach out to our sales team and they can get you going -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999

@ajithunjan Год назад

Hi. I have the same system. After I did reset the system to factory settings the cameras are showing offline. It says wrong password and user name. Some are showing no connection. Can you help to get the cameras working again

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Hello, the cameras may have the old passwords on them still. If you purchased the system from Nellys, then we can absolutely help! If not, i would advise reaching out to Uniview support directly.

@felixfabian6559 11 месяцев назад

Great 😃

@engineering8903 2 года назад

Good😁

@AshrafAli-ig1nl Год назад

Very informative Can I get its installation manual in pdf form ,i will be very thankful

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Installation manuals can vary from model to model. If you go to the manufacturer's website with the model number, you can get the exact user manual.

@ekpemawulidaniel35 3 месяца назад

How do I stop videos interference feed on the camera screen moving up and down please

@AkramKhan-yt2pr 10 месяцев назад

Super sir

@NellysSecurity 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching!

@johnx9318 2 года назад

Are they ethernet cables? They are not 10-base T or 10 base 2. I think you may have meant UTP or Cat(n)?

@bencartlidge6472 9 месяцев назад

They are Ethernet cables. Usually cat5 or cat6

@HandsOnRealEstate 6 месяцев назад

I want to install a security system in my mobile homes parks, can you help me?

@NellysSecurity 5 месяцев назад

Sure thing! Give us a call - 855-340-9999

@carolinagirl30 Год назад

Hi there!, I need some help with the ip address. I'm unable to view my cameras on my phone becasue the technician from Comcast had to change the modem. I was not aware that by doing so it would create a problem by changing the modem. Everything was working fine on my phone with the cameras until the modem was changed. I'm not too tech savvy but need all the help I could get. Thank you

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Hey Carolina Girl! Im sorry to hear that. We only provide full technical support on products purchased from us. So if you did, reach out to our support -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999 If not, i would advise reaching out to whoever you purcahsed the system from to get you back up and running. If even that isnt an option, then the guys over at ipcamtalk.com are pretty knowledgeable and can help out where we are unable to.

@carolinagirl30 Год назад

@@NellysSecurity - I completely understand and truly appreciate the recommendations. This has been very difficult for me. Hopefully it will get fixed soon. Thank you for getting back to me.

@tomyatesy Год назад

That will be because you disabled DHCP. You shouldn't do that. If you don't want the IP to change, you should log in to your router and assign all your cameras "static" IPs (usually a checkbox). As this is stored on your router, if you get a new one or do a factory reset, you will need to repeat the process.

@malpracticemedic635 Год назад

Are these vulnerable to hackers being that it’s connected to wifi? I’m running cheapo wifi cameras right now and need something secure, I don’t know a lot about this but am ready to upgrade to something serous

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Anything exposed to the internet is prone to being hacked in a sense. As long as you use strong passwords and connect over the cloud and not port forward.

@Ozzypr33 Год назад

Hello I need your help with a big issue I am having with my cameras setup. Can you help me ?

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Hey Osvaldo, If you purchased the system from us, then yes! Please contact us -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999 If not, then we like recommending ipcamtalk.com. We are an official vendor with them and the guys over there are knowledgeable on systems outside the scope of our support.

@lancerudy9934 2 года назад

Wher do you plug in the mouse..

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

The NVR should have a USB port on the front or back depending on the model

@schwamieboy1 7 месяцев назад

How do you add a coax camera to something like this?

@NellysSecurity 5 месяцев назад

For coax, you would need a DVR (digital video recorder). The NVR doesn't do any video processing, that's all done in the IP camera. Coax cameras also don't do any video processing. That's all handled by the DVR. Check out this video for more info: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_OH2YiqckFo.htmlsi=i7yPCUgfBYlT04He

@lawaladewale9579 2 года назад

Will the uplinks still display. Without Internet?

@NellysSecurity 2 года назад

Yes the NVR can still talk to cameras on the Uplink port without internet as long as everything is physically connected.

@AlaaSweileh 10 месяцев назад

The NVR will still record footage even if it lost connection to the internet/router.. you will not be able to view the footage remotely but you will locally

@NellysSecurity 10 месяцев назад

Correct, as long as the cameras are connected to the NVR directly.

@csgoneforever Год назад

be aware if you let your router assign ip addresses if there's a power cut and your device restarts you wont necessarly get the same ip address, i would recommend setting up static ip addresses

@vtim2973 Год назад

is there anyway you can set up with out a router

@NellysSecurity Год назад

Yes these systems can be sat up without a router. The only downside is that you will not get any remote viewing or alert capabilities since the system needs a network connection for that.