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@richardgraham3658 7 месяцев назад

I was taught to disassemble all valves before soldering. The ball valve is going to take longer to heat up, therefore should be heated first. Also keep your torch moving to prevent burning.

@joshcowart2446 Год назад

I think the most important lesson about soldering valves is always crack the valve open a bit. Obviously if the water is on to one side this doesn’t apply. If you don’t do this the air inside the ball will expand and pop the valve and it will never work again. I’ve heard some manufacturers say to close the valve but for many years I didn’t know this and have never had an issue as long as I cracked the valve open just enough to let that pressure escape. It seems like sweat valves are like gate valves. 1 in 10 are likely not to work. This is why I prefer threaded valves. They’re less likely to get damaged and if you do have to change it, you don’t have to worry about residual water and trying to sweat the old valve off. You can just screw it off and screw the new one on.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

You're not gonna make enough pressure to damage the valve in the time it takes to solder it. I've never seen a valve rated below 150psi. Most are 300, steam usually 600. The problem is you risk the expanding air keeping the solder from sealing all around.

@joshcowart2446 Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits well I’ve put a torch on it, it then pops, and if you look at it there’s a spot where it’s blown out so I’m not sure what else would cause that. That’s how freeze breaks happen and that’s just pressure created from ice expanding down the pipe. So I disagree

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@joshcowart2446 ok clown. Are you talking about the solder joint or the actual valve? Because the valve seats are teflon. They get soft at about 600F. 200 degrees above even lead-free. If you're damaging the actual seats you're doing something wrong. I've steam and pipe fitted in a foundry for over a decade. Not sure what you're "popping". Unless it's the solder on a joint that's in a 3" gap between two closed valves. Then maybe you'd have enough air pressure to blow the liquid solder joint out.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@joshcowart2446 and I guarantee you freeze breaks will burst the brass/copper/bronze before the teflon as well.

@joshcowart2446 Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits yes those sure of their positions have to resort to insults. I don’t know what fails first but you can visually see the Teflon or whatever it is ring in there burst out of round. Maybe it’s cheaper versions. I’m using mapp gas so it’s not like I’m trying to braize the thing. I’ve soldered for over 20 years so I know what I’m doing. I know if you close the valve it will pop if you don’t it won’t. You’re the wannabe me genius so you figure out why

@akbychoice Год назад

Clean, flux, fit, wipe off excess flux, heat pipe, heat valve, apply solder the length of the diameter of the pipe.

@AaronPowellvox 29 дней назад

I have soldered a lot of valves but it’s been a while and I wanted to brush up before I soldered another one so I watched your long form video of this and followed your instructions to the tee. The only thing I had a problem with was the valve at the street wouldn’t shut all the way so I had to put 3/8 vinyl tubing on my shop vac and stick it in the pipe to vacuum the water out then really quickly solder the joint before water reached the joint again. Crazy stuff but your tips on what materials to use like the proper flux and solder really helped it go smoothly. Thanks bro.

@johnfriedmann2413 Год назад

One extra thing I do is be sure to clean and flux the face edge of the valve. It makes the solder seal the face, mounding up slightly like a brazed joint.

@jamesrecknor6752 Год назад

Good idea, will do.

@1200sbeemer Год назад

Way to do it brother. I’ve seen many heat that brass too quick and without the copper getting quite hot enough which causes the solder not to adhere between the two which then causes a leak, I had to learn the hard way, long time ago, just couldn’t figure out why it would leak sometimes. I sure miss the 50/50 solder, it was like melting candle wax. Lol

@Iwillnotbepushed Год назад

Hey man your age is showing. 😂😂 That’s ok I miss 50/50 too. You can still get it. It’s just not legal on potable water. Boiler guys still use it.

@1200sbeemer Год назад

@@Iwillnotbepushed lol, I know and those 50/50 joints, I would see them pull completely out when doing freeze repair.

@evancox107 Год назад

You make excellent content, I have learned a ton about soldering pipe with your videos. I’ve added valves to all the sinks in my house and moved some plumbing in my bathroom(all copper), wouldn’t have been possible without your videos

@blueberrychronic Год назад

No, hear the hub first in this case because it's a thick piece of brass and will take longer to heat up than the pipe. Also when soldering brass you need to use tinning flux otherwise you will have corrosion down the road

@WhackBytch256 Год назад

No! Start on the pipe, so it is already up to temperature when the valve is hot enough. Hot pipe draws solder, and adds heat to heavier valve body. Then you want only enough heat on the valve to melt and draw the solder.

@daddy1571 Год назад

WRONG! You don't know anything about soldering valves and your comment illustrates how ignorant and unable to learn you are. This guy does it right. Learn what thermal expansion and capillary action is. When you heat the pipe you're also heating the valve from the inside.

@WaterlordArthur Год назад

@@WhackBytch256 No!!!! I don’t have anything to add to this discussion, I just like saying no. 😂

@71dembonesTV Год назад

i will add that the mechanical cleaning process is way more important on this type of joint vs copper/copper or copper/leaded brass. flux must be clean and the right chemistry as well

@stagehits Год назад

Another tip is to use a pair of pliers or mole grips on the valve seat. It'll suck the heat away and prevent the nylon valve seat from melting.

@josemanuelsanchez-cuadrado9694 Год назад

good techniques to let the excess away from the seals" of the valve rigth- on bubba's 😅

@_JohnRedcorn_ Год назад

I realize this is for demonstration purposes but you also don’t need to keep dabbing the solder to the pipe once it’s made that penetration. If solder starts pooling or dripping at the bottom then you’ve got too much

@laker3 Год назад

I have seen many master plumbers never deburr the inside of the pipe. It's wrong but it never gets done.

@Got2Learn Год назад

Sadly 😔

@1AlexanderCole Год назад

Which is why I do everything myself 😢

@johnnyrocket9372 Год назад

Why must you debur the inside of the pipe?

@laker3 Год назад

@@johnnyrocket9372 Deburring reduces turbulence inside the lines. This turbulence can even cause pin hole leaks.

@Got2Learn Год назад

@@johnnyrocket9372 Full video on this subject: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WIIvGG6qNJM.html&ab_channel=Got2Learn

@davidwilliam6331 9 месяцев назад

Good video, with good concise information on the topic being presented.

@jodymontez693 26 дней назад

I worked at Trane commercial units for 13 years and learned to braze copper and weld.

@rudytroy1844 Год назад

Good solder skills and techniques

@cooldude2245 Год назад

My fear is cooking the insides

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

The insides are Teflon. Melts at 625F. Solder melts at about 350F (leaded), 420F (lead free). If you manage to actually damage the seals without sweating in solder you have bigger problems.

@aGj2fiebP3ekso7wQpnd1Lhd Год назад

I heated the heck out of one recently and it was fine

@akbychoice Год назад

Wrap a wet rag around the valve helps.

@alec1113 9 месяцев назад

Use tinning flux and solder for lead free fitting

@terrelmchenry9524 Год назад

I HAVE HAD TO SOLDER IN BALL VALVES THAT WERE 2.5 "...I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE SEATS BUT IT TURNED OUT REALLY GOOD...

@Got2Learn Год назад

👍👍👍

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

The seats are Teflon. It melts at 620F. If you got the seats that hot before the solder was running... Even lead-free runs at 400ish.

@juanceballos8423 Год назад

I put a wey rag around de valve. I think this helps to keep it cooler

@NSilver832 Год назад

I guess you meant a "wet rag." Yes, i do the same thing when possible. I'm a little paranoid about soldering and melting the crap out of it.

@ecaparts Год назад

Adding a rag is a double edged sword. It can remove the heat so the valve won’t get hot enough and you can end up cooking it from having to use the torch for an extended time. Personally I will never use a rag until after it’s soldered. The key is to get it done with the minimum heat exposure; get in and get out with the heat. I’ve only damaged 2 ball valves early in my career mainly by too much heat for too long dealing with residual water in the pipes

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@ecaparts unlikely. Also teflon is good to 500 easy, wouldn't go above 600F for any period of time If you get the body of the valve that hot you got worse problems.

@ecaparts Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits what is unlikely? A wet rag may sound like a great idea, but it’s actually not. You will take forever to heat the joint before solder will flow at the risk of damaging the valve. It’s better to control your heat by pulling your flame away as soon as solder melts, make sure to point the tip away from the valve body then cool the valve when your done. That’s my experience I’ve been doing this for years. Don’t like my suggestions? You do what works for you 👍🏻

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@ecaparts we're talking about a wet rag on the valve *body* not the joints. It might suck some heat away. But if you're heating it at the joint and have the rag not on the joint it'll sweat just fine. Also, using a rag *after* it's soldered is extra clown world because now you're shock cooling the joint and inducing stress cracks.

@andrewyoussef2267 Год назад

👍 Really love all your vids man. Keep’em coming. Can you do a video on different types of copper & PVC fittings. For instance, explaining the difference between a 90°, copper elbow and a 90° copper elbow Street fitting. Thank you!

@Got2Learn Год назад

🙏🙏🙏

@Eastbaypisces Год назад

@@Got2Learnso we keep valve open or closed?

@Got2Learn Год назад

@@Eastbaypisces depends on manufacturer!

@Eastbaypisces Год назад

@@Got2Learn everbilt, also what are the different types of flame tips ?

@jamesowen21 10 месяцев назад

Never put flame on a fitting. Put it on pipe at edge of fitting. Heat expands and will heat the pipe first allowing pipe and fitting to reach proper temp without overheating the fitting

@michaelkeselman 2 месяца назад

Did I owe you one you save me so much money on a plumber with your channel

@Got2Learn 2 месяца назад

mission accomplished!

@MrTk6969 Год назад

FYI deburring refers to the removing material from the outside of the pipe reaming refers to removal of material from inside the pipe

@Got2Learn Год назад

👍

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

That's why I love the universal, "chamfer it damnit"

@BullyBentley Год назад

You don’t ream with a pencil deburrer. Reaming is deburring the inside edge with a reamer. They are both deburring but only one is reaming. 😊

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@BullyBentley reaming is sizing a hole. Has nothing to do with edge burrs.

@BullyBentley Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits you’re thinking in machining terms. When it comes to pipe work, that conical tool he uses is also called a reamer.

@speedyz28 9 месяцев назад

First valve i did myself in my basement, i absolutely roasted her guts lol. Wondered why there was still flow when i shut it off

@nickycritic5269 Год назад

They’re not nylon seats bub. They’re actually made of tephlon. Also, heat from the bottom and fill from the top. Removing your flame and continue to fill. This will cool the joint faster. …dry rag to finish

@walter9724 Год назад

I always clean my pipe before insertion..

@Got2Learn Год назад

My man 👌🤣

@dtmsolid1234 Год назад

The guy “just get it hot enough” 👍

@vasya_prem Год назад

Какая таки сложная схема монтажа сантехники в западных странах. А герметизирует соединение тонкая перемычка припоя - лишь бы держала давление и особенно гидроудары.

@dylan.7941 Год назад

Why not just wrap the valve with a wet rag?

@Got2Learn Год назад

Also works!

@thedailyruns6046 9 месяцев назад

Injust use my drill with a sand paper bit for the inside tastes 2 secs.

@Got2Learn 9 месяцев назад

👌

@skoronesa1 Год назад

The seals aren't Nylon, they are Teflon. Open the valve to 45 before soldering or the air trapped on either side of the ball will blow out the seals when it expands from heat.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

It's not gonna blow the seals out. Those things are rated like 300 or 600 psig. Also the way the seats are, they're captured.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

But yes, they're teflon and should be fine up to 500F no issue.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

It'll possibly keep the solder from sealing if it's a small air chamber and you keep the joint too hot. But that's about it.

@joshcowart2446 Год назад

Careful there’s a know it all who knows everything there is to know and he says this isn’t a thing. The way you describe it I assume you’ve had it happened because that’s how I’d describe it but I guess we should believe internet dipshits over our own lying eyes

@anthonytrujillo7971 Год назад

@Benjai On a new valve that's completely dry it's not so much an issue. It's definitely a good practice to have the valve in the half open position while removing old valves. If the valve is open or closed water will be completely trapped in that cavity and as the temperature raises the pressure gets pretty extreme while it turns to steam. It's happened a few times to me sounds like a gunshot.

@reidballard-dd2nb 10 месяцев назад

You’re definitely not supposed to heat the pipe first. The heat on the hub is the only thing that helps the solder properly suck into the fitting. If the pipe is too hot then the solder won’t flow properly

@reidballard-dd2nb 10 месяцев назад

Brass takes longer to heat up so the pipe will get hot enough as a byproduct

@Got2Learn 10 месяцев назад

I disagree.

@renniexedis3459 Год назад

When the flame turns green read to go

@Seven7Pain1 Год назад

If you melt the valve you burned all flux and I call it a burned up fitting no good

@ivanf442 Год назад

What's the purpose of getting rid of the burr inside the pipe? It won't disturb if let inside.

@wynncull9415 Год назад

I did not see on video where you plucked the valve body. I assume you did, but I didn't see it. Good video

@Got2Learn Год назад

What do you mean by pluck?

@alext8828 Год назад

What are you talking about; "Plucked"?

@keepthinking2666 Год назад

Also have the valve open.

@CorenergyElectrical-xe8ew Год назад

Can you put a wet rag on the opposite side of the valve so that end doesn't over heat?

@xxtacowarriorxx6440 Год назад

Can you over ream with the pencil tool?

@Got2Learn Год назад

Kinda... Just stop when you don't feel a lip inside anymore.

@brinhaerycammel3467 Год назад

Nice solder joint!

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

Nylon seats? I've only ever seen teflon.

@vG_GameOver Год назад

Why deburr the inside? Just curious

@Got2Learn Год назад

To have proper water flow.

@codyreeves3272 Год назад

Pro tip... sweat a mip then use an ip ball valve

@johnd4270 Год назад

What is the shut the ball valve off too I’m pretty sure

@unlimitedchaos347 Год назад

OPEN THE VALVE

@mschnee8536 Год назад

Niemals einen RohrSchneider beim weichlöten benutzen

@dom4534 Год назад

Use Yorkshire fittings

@olliesutton1804 Год назад

They are shite 😂

@mikelight2965 Год назад

Solder has no actual guarantee for timeline due to failed plumbers and failed copper it does not last as long as rubber (plastic) Google it metals break down and fail much sooner.

@edthelasttribe9580 Год назад

Put a wet towel on top of a valve , whilst soldering, job done , you can tell is to much young generation teaching young generation 😂

@LukeAbsmeir-cr8zw Год назад

u have to flux both fitting and pipe bad splder

@shazanashraf5299 20 дней назад

What blowtorch do you use

@Got2Learn 20 дней назад

This one here: amzn.to/3zmQqSA

@richardliston2895 Год назад

Ok but now do it with a New York accent

@Got2Learn Год назад

Montreal ;)

@Hvac-o3i 2 месяца назад

great🎉

@chamakh17maroc 10 месяцев назад

Sorry jadore tomber sur des vidéos random, et cest des Québécois qui parlent en anglais. I cannot not hear the accent

@Got2Learn 10 месяцев назад

🙃

@jasondonnelly8940 Год назад

Those lead free valves are a b**** to soldier. Clean the s*** inside the fitting. Some people use tinning flux on those connections.

@Got2Learn Год назад

Yes tinning flux sure helps!

@jasondonnelly8940 Год назад

@@Got2Learn no need for the pros though

@tonymc3817 Год назад

That's all good but leave the valve open, js

@pjflores5599 Год назад

Fuck lead free ball valves use threaded ball valves it will save you a ton of man power trust me

@daddy1571 Год назад

This is the only vid on yootoob that shows how to do this in the correct way!👍👍

@Got2Learn Год назад

😇😇😇

@lowdown5150 Год назад

You have to stroke it a little softer at first and there's going to be a lot more reaming.

@tynewlin Год назад

Piping 101

@ronaldmaxwell1108 Год назад

I am so grateful that we don’t use this bs cowboy soldered ball valves in Australia, also soft solder went out of fashion,back when Noah played fullback for Jerusalem. Lol.

@1AlexanderCole Год назад

What do you guys use?

@olliesutton1804 Год назад

@@1AlexanderCole In the UK (where im from) pretty much all valves are compression. Ive been plumbing years and have seen a soldiered valve maybe once

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@olliesutton1804 soldered valves last forever done right.

@olliesutton1804 Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits Tbf I rarely get issues with compression ones, they are also easier to change

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@olliesutton1804 well, with all the fitting I do. If you mean internal ferrule + compression ring. Yes those are dope. Basic compression ring fittings are garbage. I've had to fix so many. It's worth it to swap over to cone rings (where the ring only compresses on one side and has a thicker "butt" for the nut to press on. Less likely to cause leaks from cutting into the line. My work history is in industrial maintenance. Water lines, refrigerant, oil, grease, etc. I HATE compression fittings.

@Disturbentz Год назад

Never solder like this guy. Always pre heat the pipe before the fitting.

@jlatnyc Год назад

That's literally what he did and instructed. 🤦🏽‍♂️

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me

@Disturbentz Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits sure did champ

@couchpotatoe3204 Год назад

Actually, "this guy" has more soldering skills than anyone I've ever seen in 45 years in the trades. Plus you just described the exact method shown in the film. What are you smoking over there?

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@Disturbentz suuuuuuuuuureeeee

@JW-vo5lt Год назад

This guy is ripping people off or he just using some random video and PS about it 😂

@pyschodelicate333 Год назад

Soldering technique sucks , try teaching the right way if your intent is to teach .

@Got2Learn Год назад

🤔

@AhmedMohammed23 Год назад

use pvc you animals

@bigrick7108 Год назад

The seats are usually Teflon.

@askurmom1 Год назад

LOL you're going to get murdered in the comments. 😢

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

For what? He didn't really say anything wrong except the nylon part.

@askurmom1 Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits his technique. He does it way different than people who've been in the trade for years.

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@askurmom1 eh he definitely sweat the shit out of that joint. But again, nothing verboten. He didn't cook the flux, slap a cold wet rag on the joint, cook the joint. Again the only real *issue* is that he said seals are nylon not teflon. And teflon melt waay higher than even lead-free. I don't see anything worth "murdering" over.