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Favorite band of all time. Forever grateful to have seen them live in the early ‘90s. Still have my massive “Evangeline” subway poster above my bed like a college student. I’m pushing 60. 🥰
Robin Guthrie is a genius with effects and guitar layering, solo he still amazes me, but when i first heard The Cocteau Twins 30 years ago i was gobsmacked and an instant fan , still love them today, and have followed Robin's solo journey, he just makes it sound so effortless
If there is one pedal which encapsulates the Cocteau Twins sound, it's the Electroharmonix Clone Theory Chorus/Vibrato - in fact, it's difficult to use this pedal without sounding like the Cocteaus. I still have one which I bought secondhand in 1982!
@@Zack-si9qr I've done some research in the past to recreate their sounds. From what I remember, it seems the Clone Theory was used mostly on Garlands. On subsequent records, it seems that the Polychorus was mostly used.
I was looking for videos that described how to replicate Guthrie's sound a couple of months ago, and it's great to find out that someone actually did it without me noticing it till now. Not only that, but this is some high quality demonstration and explanation. Thank you so very much.
very interesting, I never knew how Guthrie was capable of doing those amazing vibes. but then, we have Elizabeth Fraser as the fundamental element of Cocteu Twins. both did an awesome work back in the 80's.
This is the only video on here with the loomer and afterneath paired together, I was worried they’d sound too similar but this video def helped me pull the trigger on getting a EQD!
Robin Guthrie about the sound on Heaven or Las Vegas: "The clean guitar parts were the Paul Reed Smith played through a Marshall 9000 series tube preamp directly into the board with my fave Lexicon pitch shift +10/-10 cents to spread the sound to stereo, followed with a little Roland Dimension D and echo from the TC2290, synched to the bpm, the chorus, more distorted guitar part was played through my Gallien Kruger preamp (channel 2) then the same sort of treatment, tweaked differently. I should have said before but I normally would compress the guitars to tape either with a Urei 1178 or a pair of DBX 160x’s, and usually lots of double tracking."
honestly, the Heaven or Las Vegas sound you have could easily be done with just the Loomer. For that I usually either do just the Loomer on Focus, or (if I'm feeling a bit fancy), Vibrato > Delay > Flanger/Reverb (Ocean's 11) > Loomer Focus.
Missing are the first 2 albums, the pre-pop period of the band when Robin even did solos. Probably a lot of fans like me consider 1982-1983 as the Cocteaus sound.
@Johnny Onanov Yes, exactly, particularly Blind Dumb Deaf. I am not sure what exactly makes the difference in guitar sound between Garlands and Head Over Heels, but as far as I am concerned, Robin sounds different on the 2nd album, maybe the drum machine settings contribute, also the different bass and the whole production.
thank you for the demo 🤗 you're the only youtube channel who do such thing 👍 Also Im French-German, so my English could sound rusty 😊 I was thinking the Fathom would sound better for that purpose, but it seem I was wrong 😅 or maybe it's not so different? I already saw your wonderfull comparison with Fathom/Slö (that's the way I found you 😂).
thanks friend! the fathom & slö are very similar (in fact all of the walrus reverbs sound alike in some way). it's about personal preference i guess, i always preferred the slö. we might also have a pedal for these kind of sounds up our sleeves ;)
The Fathom would probably work well for these songs considering the Slö’s X and Depth knobs are set to 0 for the majority of this video, and I’m pretty sure they keep it in Dream mode.
Your very first example is a tone I've been trying to get for YEARS! I'm curious though, I feel like your examples have more slow modulation pitch shift than I'm comfortable with. Like they sound great, but woozily out of tune. Is there a way to get that sound without the extreme pitch drift?
Great! A few questions....do you hook up pedals to effects send on jc? Also, when micing jc I figure you just center mics on each speaker? Finally, are you using any of the chorus or reverb on the amp?
pedal partners Yeah. Saved that also a long time ago. Interesting he didn’t like reverbs that much which everyone presumes the songs are full of because of the idea of what the 80s was all about.
Sorry to interfere - and I am not a specialist, but in the link provided there is no mention of reverb per se, although Robin mentions echo effects equipment used.
@@krasteff the article mentions the lexicon pcm70 rack-mounted reverb. you can find a list of other reverbs here > equipboard.com/pros/robin-guthrie. i understand delay was an essential part of his tone & hence used the timeline delay throughout the video, cheers man! :D
This may sound like a stupid question but are there any recommended budget alternatives to the Timeline pedal? Or to the Loomer? Any hints would be more than appriciated
hmmm for the timeline try a used boss dd500, or even the new boss dd200 which comes in at around £220. the loomer is it's own thing really. but you could pick up a used big muff for £50 & a digitech reverse reverb or ehx holy grail max/cathedral for reverse reverb. although i highly recommend just saving for a loomer, as it's three reverbs are all exceptional & the fuzz is one of my faves on any pedal!
their are many ways to get sounds if it be shoe gaze or psychrock spacemen 3 etc .look for a digital reverb that has reverse setting its got to be digital reverse reverb pedal or a rack unit 2nd small clone hours pearl and a distortion pedal boss ds1 ,RAT pedal just the original one those 3 pedals with taking your time dialing it in to get your sound adding treble turning bass down just fuck with it and have fun
Hey! If you wouldnt mind could you tell us all exactly what gear and settings you use to get that sound in An Elan. I have been trying to figure it out for a couple years and it seems like you have it down. Id really appreciate it.
@@pedalpartners Sorry, I should have asked my question better. Would you be able to produce a similar effect just using a delay before 2 plate reverb pedals? I already have a Digitech RV-7 which has plate and reverse, and I was wondering if I would get something similar just plugging in another plate pedal.
@@ScannyProductions the drone-like sounds in that clip are mostly from the afterneath, it's a very unique pedal. the timeline also has modulation so that will add to the washed out sound. you could try using the rv-7's mod setting, i think in general stacking lots of delays/reverbs could produce something similar ~ thanks! :)
@@BenjamTheMighty yeah he did in fact also have a few bf-2s, including a broken one he said he didn't want to get fixed because of it's out of control oscillation
I feel like I'm kinda done with pedals, after years of experimenting, don't get me wrong, I play professionally, but unless you're VERY lucky/talented/creative/driven you probably won't make any money doing this. However, Cocteau Twins is pretty much my first love, so thanks so much for this, incredibly insightful
... however, there’s a lot of musicians(hobbyists if you prefer) out there who just enjoy fiddling around with effects for fun. it wouldn’t be fair to assume everyone who plays music is doing it for the money alone.
