How to Stick Weld Vertical Joints: 4 Ways to Get the Job Done

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An informative overview of the 4 most common techniques to make vertical fillet welds with stick.
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Vertical welds can be challenging to make using Shielded Metal Arc Welding (SMAW), also known as Manual Metal Arc (MMA), Stick Welding or Rod Welding. In this video I show 7018 vertical up, 7018 vertical weave, 6011/6010 uphill and 6011/6010 downhill.
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@TimWelds 2 года назад

You can learn to weld. I'll show you exactly what to do in my affordable online welding courses at courses.timwelds.com.

@2010mannw 2 года назад

Time, I bought your full course a couple weeks ago. Been watching the SMAW videos, I’m trying to learn vertical now and something I didn’t find covered in the course or RU-vid is that sometimes my flux burns down on one side further and I end up chasing my arc instead of telling it where to go. Do you have any insight on this? Running 6013/7018 rods on an inverter machine if that helps any. Thanks Tim. Love your content.

@mattheww.1710 Год назад

What type of electricity are you using AC/DC?

@andyolson2791 Год назад

Tim could you make a video about what the proper amperage and distance rod tip for 6011 looks like also what incorrect amperage with 6011 l9oks like

@derrianwhite4897 10 месяцев назад

😂😊😂@@2010mannw

@austinclements6469 3 года назад

I’m 15 and started my welding classes In September i just got to the vertical part of the course. and it’s quite a bit harder than most of the other ways. But i think i got it figured out. Thanks to you Of course

@eliyoungblood4234 2 года назад

Hell yeah

@johnbowe4564 2 года назад

I am 18 and vert is hard and over head I personally think it is easyer than vert

@rigobertocharojr.8632 2 года назад

I started welding at 16 hope u love it and keep goin🔥💪

@crisscass25 2 года назад

@@johnbowe4564 my instructor taught me overhead before vertical cuz he said vertical is the hard one with stick. I got it quicker than overhead but i think thats just because by that time i got used to knowing what i’m looking for

@gregartman9827 2 года назад

You guys that are starting young, good on ya! I'm 34 and I consider myself a "decent" welder. I am a card carrying union millwright tho. It's a great career especially for someone like yourselves who is entering the field with welding experience. In WA state apprentices start at 34/hr with insane benefits and after 4 years of being a apprentice you make 55+/hr. Just wanted to put that out there for you. Feel free to message me any questions.

@elijahbates9643 Год назад

One thing I've noticed is that most RU-vid welders don't stress how much help it can be simply to hang your stinger over your shoulder, not having the weight of your lead, connection points, as well as the electrode holder itself on your shoulder as opposed to holding all that weight directly in your hand in front of you, if you didn't know this I highly suggest trying it

@Dr_Wrong Год назад

Or flop/loop it over your elbow..

@villadrifft9381 11 месяцев назад

Not good to do that, radiation

@kennetharntson5912 5 месяцев назад

6010 down hill, horizontal, overhead a d flat. Quick, strong, and used for the last 60 years on pipe lines, storage tanks and general steel construction. Passes X-ray, ultrasonic and hydro tests.

@elijahbates9643 5 месяцев назад

@@kennetharntson5912 I think you replied to the wrong comment

@leso204 4 месяца назад

Warm the rod as well 👌

@toby621 Месяц назад

I have been stick welding for 40 years And always started at the top and go down I think I have been doing it wrong but it works for me Never to old to learn 😂

@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 2 года назад

I remember from welding school, on vertical welding, The first bead was set in the middle; then there was a bead I had to run on each side of that first weld, and then my instructor wanted me to do what he called a weave weld over the top of all three of those welds, which look awesome when welded perfectly at the right heat and rhythm. My instructor got me through brazing teaching me to find a rhythm and keeping that rhythm for a beautiful weld every time. The hotter the burn the faster your rhythm would have to be for stick welding. Jack Stone, Sooner Trade School in OKC. Great instructor. 10% class, the rest was all shop work!

@commplicated3800 2 года назад

Your comment just helped me out a lot. Currently in welding school doing vertical stick and it gets too hot and continuously drips, I’m thinking like wtf I’m steady and slow… The hotter the burn the faster the rhythm.

@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 2 года назад

@@commplicated3800 you can try adjusting the setting as well; you just have to play with it; I was made to master welding a bead on a horizontal plane before I could move on to vertical welding. It will make finding the right temp and speed and rhythm for a vertical weld. Staying relaxed and not getting frustrated is really key as well; sometimes you just have to take 5 and get a drink of water or something and relax and go back at it. good luck

@Peugot905 3 года назад

Well in the shipyard welders have to vertically weld free hand all day in the craziest position...

@daviddavio1032 3 года назад

Love your video pal I'm getting back into welding because of your videos.

@TimWelds 3 года назад

Awesome!

@dnyce2083 3 года назад

Welds look nice, but I feel like the heat is too cold for 1/8, I like more a 120 range..also why did you switch to 3/32 rod for the second pass? I’m an iron worker so I also do structural welding and I’ve barely ever used 3/32 rod

@Emy-gd7zp Год назад

I started my classes this year around August. It's so hard keeping up sometimes, actually watching people explain and do it makes it so much easier for me. I learn by example and repetition. This video is super helpful!

@HenryEdwards-ct8md 3 месяца назад

Good

@ronaldmoore2336 3 года назад

been checking a lot of your videos. great help to this new welder in training . ain't nothing like burning rod! :)

@danielchambers1958 3 года назад

Tim, I really appreciate the info..... learning horizontal and vertical..... I use the 6011, 6013 and 7018 electrodes in 3/32..... so glad you mentioned your setting..... Forney is the brand I use.... they work very well.

@TimWelds 3 года назад

Thanks! I’ll have to give those rods a try!

@mk5slow173 2 года назад

6013 3/32 is a very annoying rod to use

@danielchambers1958 2 года назад

@@mk5slow173 I agree!

@cooganbeggs4942 Год назад

Sadly Tim is now divorced for welding in the living room

@yakov5604 3 года назад

How’s the dekopro welder holding up? Would you still recommend for a starting off welder

@TimWelds 3 года назад

It still works good, and I think it’s great for the price. The only issue that has come up is that the amperage readout isn’t completely accurate, but once it’s dialed in, it runs great. Definitely a good option for a beginner.

@douglasalsbury7136 Год назад

Can’t stress your comfort enough. I’ve learned it’s one of if not the most important thing. Check your settings and make sure your stable. If you have trouble striking an arc, try making a scratching motion don’t forget to pause so it can establish and 7018 is easy. 6010 you’ll need more practice

@dennisgunn468 3 года назад

I love your lessons. You get right to the point, you share the right amount of information for each lesson and go and go exactly the right speed.

@frankkante7850 Год назад

Tim, is ARC FORCE and HOT START good for Welding Noobs like me ?

@briannaharris7641 2 месяца назад

Personally I love hot start it's just hard to figure out where you need it when switching between machines

@dieselwelding431 3 года назад

Nice video. Could you possibly make a vertical up 7018 AC video with the AC225? I have the exact same welder, and it always seems that when using 7018 AC for vertical up, it sags when I do stringers. When I weave it in it turns out much flatter but still lumpy. I know that AC current is harder to use in the vertical and overhead position then DC. In school, I would always pass all the 7018 vertical up tests. With the DC stick welders there, the weld would lay in flat with the stringers no problem.

@reytiosejo3012 3 года назад

Thanks for the welding tips.

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@stuartmarkman769 4 месяца назад

I am building a vice stand and the base is 1/2 " thick steel for the weight and the post is 1/8" galanized 2x3" square tube. is it ok too use 6013 too weld thes together using multi passes with this rod? I iknow I have too remove the galvanizing from the tubing.

@mk5slow173 2 года назад

is he welding in his house😂

@meilivalele5677 Год назад

Thank you for this video! Definitely learned new positioning I can use when I weld!

@brunolorenz3411 3 года назад

Can you do a video on downhill welding on pipe

@Psude 3 года назад

Appreciate all of the good tips, especially about welding perspective, which I push heavily with my students. However, I recommend more of a 45° perspective where you have more control and can keep better balance by not needing to lean into it. It also improves your view, and thus control of the arc gap.

@G40s_WW 3 года назад

I can't weld uphill so this video came just in time

@jenf7309 Год назад

I feel like my tuition should be going to you at this point

@michellemora5766 3 года назад

Thank you so very much Tim ,I am a new student to welding and your video has been a tremendous asset to me. You have a nice voice also.

@dezdon01 3 года назад

When having to stick weld vertically, and you have the clearance to approach the weld anyway you’d like, is it better to weld upwards or down? If it make a difference, why? Very good videos! Thank you!👍👍👍

@TimWelds 3 года назад

Uphill is generally better because you’re moving slower and will get better penetration. Downhill runs faster can be help avoid burning through on thinner material, though it only works with some rods like 6010/6011.

@weavercattlecompany 2 года назад

95-100 amps for 1/8" E7018, I'm surprised it even ran at that low of an amperage which also explains why the puddle wasn't clearly visible, the slag didn't peel off like it should have, and the bead looked cold & lumpy due to lack of arc force 🤣 You should NEVER reduce your amperage more than 10 amps than what you use in the flat position. If anything, you should learn to run the same amperage all the time and control the weld puddle by altering the arc length (aka arc force), rod manipulation, and travel speed 😉 3/32" - E7018 - 90 amps [Flat] Minimum Vertical Amps - 80 amps 1/8" - E7018 - 125 amps [Flat] Minimum Vertical Amps - 115 amps You can tell if your amperage is right by how easy it is to control the weld puddle and how the slag peels off. With E7018, it should literally peel off with little to no effort. If it sticks like in this video then you're amperage is wrong and don't try blaming the electrode brand either because in my 30+ years of experience they all run pretty much the same if your settings are correct. Also, 1/8" material can easily be welded uphill with 3/32" electrodes so there is never any justification to use downhill on something that thick. For material less than 11 gauge, you can also use 5/64" E6013 and run it uphill with no issues or just increase your travel speed with 3/32" if you feel comfortable doing that. 3/32" E6011 - 50 - 55 amps 3/32" E6013 - 65 - 70 amps 3/32" E7018 - 80 - 85 amps I'm not even going to begin to comment on that uphill 6011 root pass 🤢

@ebogar42 Год назад

In school I'm pretty sure for 3/32 we ran between 75-90 amps and on 1/8 it was 90-120.

@jayyambrovich3740 4 месяца назад

As a guy relatively new to welding, I have heard "If there's slag, you drag". Here, in the vertical up motion, you are pushing. I am a bit confused. A little help here coach?

@TimWelds 4 месяца назад

That's generally true. With vertical welds, gravity will pull the slag downward and you can prevent the molten metal from falling out by using a slight upward angle. The best way to get a feel for it is to try it both ways on some scrap and see what you think.

@leftylattin 3 месяца назад

One thing i do sometimes if i cant brace i will use my legs. Everyythings nice and pulled in tight to my body, slight squat and i will slowly rise up as i go. It seems to work well for me 🤷‍♂️ i have enough control with that mixed with some wrist movement if need be

@Drewrejee Год назад

Hey thanks for the video, but I got an important question. I'm teaching highschoolers to weld. We are running 3/32 7018 - no 6010 yet. Now my coworker insists on teaching 7018 vertical DOWNHiLL ... I need to understand is that okay to teach as the first thing for vertical? And in what cases do you weld downhill with stick? Because I strongly feel it should be taught uphill unless no matter how they try, they would only then do downhill -- is that a valid approach???

@red_headed_goddess 3 года назад

hi Tim...a question: why would the welding pool start running out of control on a vertical weld?

@Amp661 3 года назад

Hey man, I'm not Tim but I can offer help. If your pool is very runny or out of control, drop your amperage some. The goal is to have the weld pool trailing just behind the rod. Hope it helps

@red_headed_goddess 3 года назад

@@Amp661 thank you!...helps a lot

@scotthares Год назад

So when stick welding vertical we go south to north. I can never remember the direction (garage guy here) . Oops, I should have waited for the down-hill pass. I guess it can work either way. Thanks, your welding courses are a bargain!

@Yash-jo8hv 2 года назад

What happens if you weld a vertical piece of 1/2 think plate with a 45 degree bevel with a 1/8 landing at 130amps. Non structural application. Top to bottom welding rather then going up.

@chriscummings9491 Год назад

I'm sorry I weld in the feild..and your never comfortable weling at all.........ever hahaa

@MrLaTEchno 2 года назад

22:00 is your body on brakes. ( ;-) ) 5:30 it is a good idea to count the corners so we get a good-looking, strong weld! This works great, just try it out.....you love it! ;-) 11:30 the danger here is, your weld is gonna be a '' glue-weld '' ....very bad most of the time it looks ''great '' but there is less power in it. Like the video TimW think you must try the '' counting '' it will surprise you. ThnXs for the Share your time and efforts.

@ЛматыАлтыов 7 месяцев назад

You're great Tim, I'll like to see you teach something on over head , about the vertical i have this question, most times the weld pool try to fall off why?, it's common with over head welds too

@Stolo17 3 года назад

What type of rods do your prefer? I have been running Hobart 6011 and 6013

@TimWelds 3 года назад

I'd pick 7018 every day of the week, but each one has strengths and weaknesses for different applications. 6011 is good for root passes where you need to penetrate deep or if you have some rust that can't be removed. 6013 is good for general purpose. 7018 lays down a nice smooth bead, deposits a lot of material and the slag is easier to deal with.

@Stolo17 3 года назад

@@TimWelds thanks! Your channel is great.

@AlbanRr21 3 года назад

Does it mater the voltage of weld machine?Mine is 34V, should I bring more or less Amps?

@maxhavens9640 2 года назад

The only thing I don’t like is the inconsistency of your 6011 whips and pauses cause they all looked different

@ramirogarcia7257 10 месяцев назад

Thank you much for the video the way you explain is very clear please keep showing more videos like this I'm trying to learn you the man thank you much good job

@ernstpeterlegrand Год назад

Most of the welding I do is not on tables or something like that. Just made a large chicken coop. So, welling in all kind of different positions.

@reaganestabillo6727 2 года назад

in the comepany I am running a 3.2mm 7018 at 120 amp with a whip and pause technique i just wanna ask if this is correct

@willemwierenga8920 Год назад

I always have the problem with welding uphill that the material is dripping down😅🙈 ( i weld with reonlas 52)

@oldsteamguy 11 месяцев назад

Tim: I would like some discussion on how your work piece is sticking up in the air and the position of your ground cable as it relates to heat deposition.

@reloadnorth7722 2 года назад

Every time I have to vertical weld, I make some good looking bubble gum, lmfao

@Dr_Wrong Год назад

Now show us how to weld behind a corner, in a downpour, while mildly on fire.. 🤣🤣🥵

@helosoldier6617 11 месяцев назад

IM SO STUPID I WENT UP TO DOWN ON MY FIRST VERTICAL THANK GOD I WAS JUST MESSING AROUND😭

@spicelife6338 3 года назад

Keep it up. You're helping a lot of people!

@carterbacon6232 2 года назад

Can I also apply these techniques using a 7014 rod on heavy gauge studs!

@mustaphamohammed3467 Год назад

very educative but you said nothing about the current if the early stages of the weld

@eloimumford5247 3 года назад

How true is the assumption that welding top to bottom is not recommended because it offers no/less strength .

@paulenespika9119 2 года назад

The problem when you get up near the top is arc blow. What do you suggest to eliminate that.

@piotrhoranowicz2967 2 года назад

Za blisko stanowisk gdzie są zgromadzone gazy i butle gaśnic.

@moejr14 Год назад

Is it necessary to turn the amps down? I keep gettin drippy welds

@tommy27usa 3 года назад

So upwards is easier? Tried vertical welding a few times but didn't do so well 😬

@ia6980 10 месяцев назад

When i weld up , metal was dripping, what is the reason for it?

@VAHOSS 10 месяцев назад

Sounds like to much amperage, or moving the rod to slow

@davebenedict7986 Год назад

Thank you sir! First time I've tried vertical welding...as I'm modifying a Deere riding mower frame by welding in some 1.5" strips to the back end. Yours was the first I'd seen where a vertical weld was done with something other than 7018. Thanks.

@andrewsstand Год назад

Thanks for this video mate! I hope I can do better

@shanh54 2 года назад

I start welding In January, super excited

@trailman20 Год назад

Why weld up? Seems like it would be easier to weld down?

@ebogar42 Год назад

Better penetration in the gap between the connecting pieces.

@brettsonnier4175 6 месяцев назад

My welds are much better than these and my CWI says mine are “alright but need some work” there’s no way you pass an inspection with those

@shanegrujovski5012 3 года назад

Awesome video you are a very good teacher thanks for the welding tips and guide from Melbourne Australia 👍

@og6114 3 года назад

Thank you! Today i finally started 3f with 7018 and this is very helpful! Can't wait to get to school monday to try all this out.

@theoriginalmonstermaker Год назад

Q: I'm Sry, did I miss the amperage of first two welds (#7018 - 1/8 then 3/32)? Also, I bought some 3/32 7018 w my first attempt welding kit a few weeks ago (also 6011, decided after watching your vids); but my welder (cheap master craft 80A) says it's not compatible w 7018 : / anyone know why??

@schsch2390 Год назад

It may work, or you may (probably will) get lousy welds, use 7018AC rods instead.

@Fngsouth 2 года назад

Thanks Tim, Great instructional video, great tips and technique.

@ia6980 10 месяцев назад

Why does my stick welds get bird poop? I used same amperage for 7018 3/32 and tried amps from 80-95 and I had bird poop, I ran arc captain 200 welder.

@JohnBallovar 2 месяца назад

Try to notice the root pass before doing vertical position

@ronparker6489 3 года назад

Awesome video, guy. I'm an old, retired B.S.E.E. and am now welding & building with metal as a hobby. It's just plain fun! Cheers. And thanks again. Ron

@roco141 2 года назад

Did you dry the electrodes before welding?

@Thumpermad Год назад

Very helpful thanks so much well done

@bernardmauge8613 9 месяцев назад

good demo. reminded me of my welding classes.

@gideonbotchwey4477 2 года назад

Am now trying on vertical welding and i find video very helpful to me. Thank you

@drewm4227 Год назад

how is the first 7018 weld structural? it doesn’t seem like you’re penetrating the walls

@ebogar42 Год назад

You mean fusing the walls?

@omerengin3193 10 месяцев назад

You must mention about polarity.

@MichaelLee-tp2fv 3 года назад

Nice video. Can you zoom in a bit when you do the welding? I would love to see your move a bit more clear.

@rederic78 3 года назад

Hi there, what size of stick I have to use to weld 1.5 millimeters square pipe to same with inverter welding machine???

@TimWelds 3 года назад

I have done this with 3/32” (2.4 mm) rod before, but if you’re new to welding, I’d start with 1/16” (1.6 mm) because you can run a lower amperage and will be less likely to burn through.

@trickdawg5521 2 года назад

Perfect video for what I was needing to do.

@kingmusa5516 Год назад

Think u tim for the tip to tuck the arm in

@pill0w_c4se29 2 года назад

I had problems with liquid metal from the top just running down the bead and ruining it. Is it too hot?

@jackiesindel5278 2 года назад

Yep run at the low end of the electrodes amperage range

@oakensage4637 2 года назад

Been watching alot of your videos lately. I just started welding school and boy i gotta say thanks! Your advice has actually impacted the way ive welded and for the better! Im sure im going to find myself back here again , great tips !

@HenryEdwards-ct8md 3 месяца назад

It always good to learn😢

@elijahbates9643 Год назад

I always find vertical to be easier than horizontal after doing it so long, not all of us work on tables

@Dr_Wrong Год назад

What's a table?🙃