How to Talk to a Trinitarian | Episode 107 

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Do you have any questions/answers with scriptures that I could share with a Trinitarian Pastor friend of mine to help prove the oneness of God to him?

☝️ this is awesome, thanks for sharing.

I wish you well and hope you convert many and they all receive the Holy Ghost and Christ adds to your Church daily.

How strong are you in the doctrine of one God? Just don't exert or force your will upon others. It's about the Spirit of God doing the work

That is awesome, most trinitarian churches are not very tolerant to having oneness teachers in their pulpit, they normally consider the oneness teaching "heresy" and I have even heard trinitarian preachers even suggest that oneness believers are not even saved! I pray that God gives you great wisdom and continued favor with the fellowship you will soon pastor and may God use you as a light to show others the truth. God has opened this door for you, and I know others will come to the knowledge of the truth as a result. God bless in Jesus name!

Praying for you brother!!!

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Trinitarians wake up to the Truth of the Bible and stop following the teaching of the Catholic Church, which formalized the Trinity Concept at the Niea Council in AD 325.

It is, and I have both "The Oneness of God," and "The New Birth" written by David Bernard, and they are great help tools I use including the "Light For Living" Home Bible Study Guide, and the "Tabernacle Plan" written by Myrl Nutting from UPC in 1966 and about 40 Marvin Hicks cassette tapes of Pastor Hicks preaching on many different topics. Two of my favorite books are: "BAPTISM in God's Plan" by Oliver F. Fauss, and "THE ALMIGHTY GOD IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST" by Andrew D. Urshan. I have also studied Church history, and have some modern day reading material I enjoy reading about Isreal, God, and America, which gives insight on where we're at in the last days regarding Bible prophecies, but in the end there's nothing that compares to the Word of God itself.

@@derekbaker777 Excellent. I have translated them both into Swedish, but they never got printed. Unfortunately I have also lost my copy of "The New Birth".

Hi Hargis - Please share your definition of what Trinitarianism? This way... we have a basis of your understanding.... then... we can compare it to what you say the 'Oneness' is... then we can perhaps see why 75 percent said of the Godhead... oneness.... and figure out why this is so... don't think I am 'hating' on you ... I am not... trust you're well. Lee

@@realmccoy124 Actually, White didn't conduct a survey. You can find his comments on RU-vid. Given his interaction with the Evangelical community, he estimated that over 70% would fail the orthodoxy test and that the significant majority of them would probably have a modalist conception of God. Now, if that perception is accurate, it is quite remarkable that so many people who were not raised in Oneness Pentecostalism and attend trinitarian churches still see God in modalist terms. Moreover, a common complaint by Eastern and Social Trinitarians is that the Latin version of the Trinity (divine simplicity, which the significant majority of Christians affirm) logically extends to Modalism. And if that is the case, then the significant majority of Christianity is _de facto_ Oneness!

This is true. They feel in their own knowledge that they are explaining Trinity, and we clearly hear from their mouths what we preach but they seem to have a veil.

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You do know that Jesus is all three right? 1 Timothy 3:16. Sounds like God doesn't it?......ephesians 4:5, there is but one God.....Christ came as an example unto us as how we should live unto the father. The word says you who have seen me has seen the father. John 1v1 makes a transition. You pointed out that the word was WITH God but then it says the word IS God. John 4:23-34 says that But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The word plainly tells us about the father being worshipped in spirit and truth then it goes on to say that God is a spirit, saying the same thing it said before about the father. There is no distinction. One God. Jesus is God, Jesus is the father. The word talks about one Lord all over scripture. Exodus:8:10 speaks about the Lord our God. Jesus is Lord. Ephesians 4:6 would contradict itself if they are different. Philipians 2:6-7 makes it clear. Christ was in the form of God. He made himself of no reputation. He put on sinful flesh. Please remember that God is omnipresent and omnipotent. Our small minds cannot fathom this great God. Great is the mystery of Godliness. Father, son, and holy ghost are titles. Those are the three that bare record in heaven. One God. God bless you.

@@simplybribrii The Father did not die on the cross, the Son did. The Father does not have a body, nor does the Holy Spirit, but Jesus does. The Father never got hungry or tired, but Jesus did in the incarnation. When Jesus, on the Earth, was praying to the Father, there was actual conversation going on, in prayer. It was not just Jesus pretending or imagining a conversation with Himself as the Father. You mentioned John 1 saying, "... word was WITH God but then it says the word IS God." You agree with the Word BEING God, but you seem to be fumbling with the Word being WITH God. You've already got your mind made up with Oneness Pentacostalism, and now you go into the word and make that doctrine fit. Jesus prayed to the Father, He didn't say, "I pray to myself (the Father) Jesus said, "I only do what I see the Father doing." He did not say, "I only do what I see myself as the Father doing." Jesus said, "If it be possible, take this cup from me, but not my will but your will be done." Jesus did NOT say, "...not my will as the son be done, but my will as the Father be done." Jesus did not say, "No one can come to me as Jesus, unless I as the Father draw him to me as the Son." I could go on and on. Read the scripture without your preconceived Oneness doctrinal bent.

@@judeabraha2023 I'm just going to give you Bible: Hebrews 1:8 Has the Father calling Jesus, God. "When God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him. In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire. But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O GOD, will last for ever and ever..." Revelation 1:8 says, " “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev 1:17 says this about Jesus, "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! Notice the Lord God Almighty is called Alpha and Omega, and Jesus is called the First and the Last. Titus 2:13 says, "while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great GOD and Savior, Jesus Christ," Genesis 1:1 says, " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Isaiah 44:24 - "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself," Colossians 1:15-16 says, " He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers." 1st John 5:20 says, "And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD and eternal life." John 20:28 says, "Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Colossians 2:9 says, "For in Him ALL the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form..." John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD." In John 10:33 Jesus claims to be God, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Isaiah 9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Romans 9:5 - To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is GOD over all, blessed forever." Romans 10:9-13 - because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!" These two verses say there is one Lord and Jesus is called Lord. Revelation 17:14 -" They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings," Isaiah 43:11 - " I am the Lord [Jehovah], and besides me there is no savior." BUT clearly Jesus is called Savior. 1 John 4:14 - "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." In the OLD Testament God is called the ONLY savior. Isaiah 42:8,11 - "I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other," John 17:5 - "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." I could go on and on. But you have a contradiction, because these verses say God alone created heaven and earth, and also says Jesus created everything. So unless there is a trinity there is a major contradiction in the Bible.

I couldn't have said it better..Thank you..

Oneness can't actually answer this without making Jesus a schizophrenic...

Amen: I have that book and have read and studied it umpteen times, and continue to do so. Very simple book and covers every detail about the oneness of God

THE TRINITY IS BIBICAL DOCTRINE

@Hippolytus Romae ...ABSOLUTELY NOT ...AND THE LIFE I LIVE IS PROOF OF MY LOVE FOR THE LORD ... SO DONT PRESUME TO THINK IM NOT A CHRITIAN CAUSE I DONT BELIEVE IN THE SO CALLED " HOLY TRINITY " YOU DEFEND IN IGNORANCE WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ...SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS EITHER TAUGHT TO YOU BY YOUR PARENTS OR EITHER AS AN ADULT YOU WILFULLY CHOSE TO FALLOW A TEACHING THAT YOU ASSUME IS TRUTH BECAUSE ITS THING TO DO... STUDY THE HISTORY OF THE DOCTRI E OF THE TRINITY AND THE ORIGEN OF ITS TEACHINGS ...WITH A SINCERE HEART AND A DEEP HUNGER FOR THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPELS OF JESUS CHRIST ASK THE LORD FOR A REVELATION OF TRUTH AND PRAY FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURE...HE WILL LEAD AND GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH...STOP ACCEPTING UNBIBLICAL TEACHING SUCH AS THE FALSE TEACHING OF THE TRINITY. THERE IS NO TRINITY THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE. LEARN THE CHURCH HISTORY BEFORE YOU SPEAK OF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND!

Me too

Why? Winger is great, but not a trinitarian scholar. He’s not a debater.

@@wolverine114 he’s very smug and as smart and controlled as Bro Bernard is, it’d make for a great watch

I agree with this. And yes, the presentation of Dr. Bernard about the 'royal we', as God saying, "Let us" (where it's like a person who sits down and says to himself what will "we" do today) is kind of comparing God's dialect to the West's modern English. I don't think God talks like we do at all, nor using modern quips. We will sometimes say "what are we going to do about this problem", meaning "I", but that is just cultural speak. We can't project our cultural speak onto the God of the Bible.

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Grab a Hebrew commentary on the use of that word "one" and you immediately realized it is the same word used in Gen.2:24. Which means 2 persons became one. Wonder why such word was used for the "God of Israel"? 🤔 If you are confused about the trinity, go study it in the bible. This pastor is asking questions that are just funny on the surface and it seems to me he is talking to christians who believe in the trinity but cannot articulate it. That is fine but to pretend like those are the only Christian that exist is deceptive. Am I to believe that for all his exposure to Trinitarian, he never came across the ones who can take him to task on his shallow questions? I have names of people I can send his way if he is willing to take the challenge.

So why you suppose Jesus said MATT 28:19 go baptize in the name of the Father ,the Son and of the Holy Spirit..You don't see three persons there??The Trinity??yes Jesus includes the Father and the Holy spirit with himself...

Honestly

He's too belligerent to have a good debate and full of himself and still praying to Mary

Why have a debate? A debate is nothing but a PR campaign for either side. It's a contest of who can put together the slickest package and who can score the most gotcha points. If you know what the respective doctrines are, make a comparison, check for scriptural and logical consistency, and make a decision. We contend that the doctrine(s) of the Trinity is (are) inherently contradictory given the affirmation of a real distinction between the alleged persons of the Godhead and the claim that there is one God. This unavoidably makes God a composite being which renders Him contingent and dependent. The Trinity self-destructs prior to even cracking open one's Bible and is thus disqualified as even a theory for biblical interpretation.

The guy beats his wife…not worth anyone’s time

Sam shamoun don't car about what you got to say soo ingnorent and arrogant

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I agree with you Nick... but, they will say of you and I - that we walk in deception... I sort of chuckled that of all the thousands of icons... he mentions as art work... the one he speaks of depicting the 'Father with 3 Faces' - was rejected because it aligns with Modalism... which seems to really align with this particular doctrine... Anyways. Trust you're well. Loving, Lee!

If you read with your spiritual eyes...you would see. The reason the priest hated Jesus is because they understood that the One God was That Man. They understood that He said that He was God. And that is why they did not accept Him. They did not believe that their Lord would manifest in flesh. As clear as water GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. -AND ALL SHALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD. -THE PROPHETS SOUGHT DILIGENTLY WHO AND WHEN DID THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST (speaking of the Spirit of the Old T. about the forefathers) WHO WAS IN THEM, THE SUFFERINGS THAT THE CHRIST WOULD GO THROUGH. And many more.

One God and diffrent theatre roles ?

@@vencislavpenev6672: No, one God like Deuteronomy 6:4 & Revelation 4:2 proclaims.

@@derekbaker777 there are Two beings sitting on a throne.... read revelation slowly.. Father and the Lamb and from the Father Who proceeds ? The Holy Spirit... Three persons of the Godhead on 1 throne, this is The Only True God ! If you dont accept that you serve to the wrong lord

@@derekbaker777 You write, "Ppl without the Holy Ghost don't understand the Godhead". This statement can't be true. The Sovereign God chooses to fill many believers with the Holy Ghost, some at home praying, some in jail, on their deathbeds, in different trinitarian christian denominations , of every tribe, race, nation. Does anyone have the right to accuse those God has chosen of being in error? If God fills a Trinitarian church/ministry with His Holy Spirit, praise God! Whoever draws to God, God will draw to them, and God's understanding will come to them. I know that many Oneness are Holy Ghost filled, as well as many Trinitarians (and yes, even nuns in convents, as I witnessed when young, and felt God 's beautiful presence)and we need to show respect to each other when we disagree. God can fill anyone He chooses and it's His decision on the timing (whether we have all understanding of the Godhead or not).

@@jackiet5334: "No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Bible from the beginning establishes that God is one in Deuteronomy 6:4, which is confirmed by John the revelator when he saw in a vision "ONE" sitting on the throne in Revelation 4:2 opposed to multiple deities like Trinitarians believe in. See also Isaiah 9:6, 43:10-11.

Some pentecostals believe in the doctrine of the trinity because pentecostalism as a modern movement to return to the truth of the scriptures regarding the work of the Spirit in the Holy Ghost given and the plan of salvation generally arose in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century out of the influence of the Second Work movement of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries on the mainline Protestant Catholic "denominations" (sects), particularly the Methodists and Baptists, with people coming out from the various organizations of these groups in response to the scriptural experiences of receiving the promise of the Father in the pouring out of his Spirit on all flesh in the Holy Ghost given, but they didn't and largely haven't come to the truth of the oneness of God who is a Spirit incarnate in the one person of our Lord Jesus Christ and the essential necessity of baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins in the new birth experience to enter into and see the kingdom of God. The enduring influence of the apostasy of the Catholic Church generally and the church of Rome particularly cannot be understated, and to the extent that those who identify as oneness apostolic pentecostals have come out of Rome, we can see how our doctrine, while coming back to the scriptures apart from the doctrines and traditions of men and of devils, has changed in response thereto. These other pentecostals (the most notable of which are the Trinitarian Evangelical and Fundamentalist sect that is the Assembly of God, their major organization being akin to the UPCI as the largest sect for those who identify as Oneness Apostolics), while having the true gospel of Christ yet being in error in part in their understanding of the scriptural doctrine of the oneness of God in the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwelling in Christ and the plan of salvation, still adhere in part to the doctrines of Rome out of which the Protestant Catholics ostensibly separated to a degree, although not entirely.

Will gold you sound like you haven't recieved the Holy ghost

Very true

@@boardbill5852 no it’s not a contradiction. It’s the word we as humans use to describe things that can’t be described. And he is the father because he’s the source of all things. God is neither man nor woman nor force nor spirit. He’s all things he chooses to be. That’s why he’s God. If we can exactly describe him he wouldn’t be God

​@@orangemanbad: I'm having a difficult time wrapping my mind around your statement, but I will point out that God is always capitalized signifying his deity. I do believe that it's impossible to understand the Godhead without having the Holy Ghost, and the Bible says in (1 Corinthians 12:3) "That no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost," and the only way to receive the Holy Ghost, which is the Spirit of Christ is to obey (Acts 2:38), and this is where Trinitarians miss the mark because they stand upon (John 3:16), which is not how we are born-again, saved and filled with the Holy Ghost, and it's a direct result of Trinitarians not knowing how to rightfully divide the Word of God, which is imperative to understanding sound doctrine and the truth. Mere faith in Christ doesn't amount to a hill of beans, and Christ commands our obedience to his Word otherwise we become hypocrites, and it's why Christ said in (John 14:15) "If ye love me, keep my commandments." I have debated Baptist Preachers who tell ppl that smoking cigarettes and doing drugs won't prevent someone from entering into the Kingdom, which I beg to differ because the Bible also says in (1 Corinthians 3:17) "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy," and I'm quite certain that smoking cigarettes and doing drugs qualifies as defiling the Temple of God, and the Baptist Preacher who said this to me did so because his wife was a smoker addicted to cigarettes, and he believes that since she "Confessed Christ, and accepted the Lord as her personal saviour" that she's going into the Kingdom regardless of what she does in life, and that type of mindset and thinking gives ppl a license and pass to committ as much sin as they want and still go to heaven, which the Bible does not teach or support, and the majority of ppl who stand upon (John 3:16) think the same way. The Bible even tells us in (Hebrews 12:14) "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord," and holiness means a separation from worldly desires and to consecrate thyself unto God, and it's why Christ says in (1 Corinthians 6:17) "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Ppl cannot do whatever they please even to their own bodies: "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (1 Corinthians 6:20). I've had many encounters here on RU-vid by ppl who haven't even read let alone study the Bible, and they will try to debate others without any knowledge or understanding of the scriptures, which is a foolish thing to do. Romans 1:18-32 is an accurate description of today's America, and our nation shall be held to account for all the sin our society has embraced and uplifts. You can't serve two masters the Bible says, and you'll either obey the Word of God and make it into the Kingdom or you won't, but ppl can't have it both ways. Acts 2:38🕊

Hey Jackie... you are in the chapter that I wrestled with in understanding that Communion is more than symbolic as it is stated in Evangelical circles... (contextually they're using the word incorrectly)... It was John 6... where I understood that the Eucharist isn't just a little snack we dust off from time to time ... The Eucharist is the focal point of Christian worship... above the preached word... above the music... Christ is present.

The Father Son and the Holy Spirit these Three are one Person

As the ONE true God MANIFESTED in FLESH-as Being in the Flesh,there are so many temptations,and Jesus the God in Flesh cannot just ignore that temptation.The will of GOD(FATHER) is to give His life for our Sin,but the Flesh is so weak even though the Spirit is willing..Just read this Verses.. Matthew 26:39,41 [39]And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Matthew 26:41 [41]Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. That means,JESUS the GOD that in the FLESH has own will,but the GOD as FATHER)has the FIRM own will..because GOD is a SPIRIT. Being a human,like you and me we have the weakness and so we have our own will,but with the Spirit of the LORD GOD,not our will but the LORD GOD's wilt. Same as JESUS in the FLESH-Remember that GOD manifested in FLESH..Meaning JESUS(GOD)is in FLESH,so thats true being in FLESH,He has own will like us..but the true reason why JESUS was sent to us(or manifested in flesh)is to save us on our sin.

that's a valid question. as someone who left the UPC I left a response to this video. Maybe it will help. Blessings!

Yes true but God the Father didn't cease to exist as God when he became flesh as an incarnated Jesus..

Isaiah 9:6; 1 Timothy 3:16 still more.

@@hargisP2 Matthew 1.18-21, Luke 1.20-35, Rev 3.2, Rev 3.12.

Explain this? 3 deities existing eternally?

Nothing in scripture says that there are three. can you give one verse?

@@byronbuchanan3066John 17:5. Isaiah 48:16

God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father. Everything we will ever see or hear of God is Jesus

@@wjdyr6261 in your view then: since God is SPIRIT, Spirit is made to be flesh then.

@Bernie Penner According to scripture, God was manifest in the flesh. No different than you or me. He took upon himself the likeness of sinful flesh and condemned sin in the flesh

​@@wjdyr6261 - Hey Will - respectfully - where is your assertion 'God became his own Son.... and your idea of manifestation and personification ... in Scripture... The Church has always maintained the Incarnation as a Mystery... Really, I am trying to reconcile how you're wording things... with John chapter 1... and I don't think, if I am reading what your saying correctly, it aligns with Scripture... The Scriptures clearly state and use the words 'Father, Son, and Holy Spirit'... there are distinctions in terminologies... anyways - how do you see your view as you stated... aligning with John 1.... hope you're well. Lee!

@Lee McCoy God is an invisible Spirit who is equally present throughout his creation. As David and others have said, even if they go to the depth of the seas or Hell, God is there. We can't escape his presence. He simply created a heaven, a throne in heaven, and permanently manifested his glory there. God has exalted his word above all his name. Yet his name is the Word of God. We can't perceive of his word or Word except our hearing. There is only one God, the Father. In order to manifest himself and his word, he had to become flesh. That human body is called the Son of God. Yet it's the Father himself in that form.

Race issue like what? Because people sound like racists when they say that. The trinity is false doctrine and can't save, which makes it an issue

We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. Jesus encompasses all of who the one God is (Father, son, and holy Spirit). Whatsoever we do in word or deed we do in the name of Jesus. 1 Timothy 3:16 says who God (Jesus) is. The word that was with God and His own word being God Himself …became flesh. I suppose that God spoke the plan of the Christ (the plan of redemption) into existence from the foundation of the world. It was a plan to reconcile men back to a place of communion and fellowship with God the creator. Jesus is God and He is the lamb that sits on one throne set in Heaven. 1 John 5:20.

You should never tell anybody not to be Baptized or Repent!

Lori, the following videos summarize Oneness teaching: "How Is Jesus Both God and Man?" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4MURw3L9l7Q.htmlsi=w8eksfGd2-gYPhgz) "Is Jesus God or God's Son?" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nCJbsLVC34E.htmlsi=Adv1JRvH246Mf_oa) "Is Jesus the Eternal or Begotten Son of God?" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yKe8feZT8Mg.htmlsi=zulzgiJThWg8fUOX) "Is Jesus Standing at God's Right Hand?" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8Rl6Wdvb0vU.htmlsi=b4lIZe4LHwJ1l6BO) "The Oneness of God" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G7oxPhDr1uY.htmlsi=F-_6_lZ7BgbQ3erb) "What Oneness Pentecostals Believe about Jesus Christ" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aFR41AjHzec.htmlsi=DwEWXjIfmollxknc) - Podcast Production Team

So when God became flesh/ human..Did the Father cease to exist?..So when Jesus prayed to the Father he prayed to himself?..if Jesus prayed to the Father then the Father God still existed..u think?

@@raymondperez1131 1. No. The manifestation of God in Flesh does not imply a change of nature, God continues to exist as the eternal God. 2. Jesus' prayers show the complete Human nature, his prayer was for his humanity, and not for being another divine and different person. Because if the Son prays to God the Father, he destroys the theory that they are equal beings. 3. Oneness believers believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

@@eduargironza3403 you don't get it because you don't understand what the Trinity is..If God continues to exist and God becomes flesh so you have one,God the spirit that continues to exist and now God in the flesh that is the second person of the three distinct persons of the Trinity..God the Father still exists and God the Son the Human..Two separate persons One God..not sure if you understand the Trinity..Jesus is 100% Devine nature and 100 % Human nature.When Jesus prays to the Father is doing prayer as 100% Human..

@@raymondperez1131 In fact I have Trinitarian books, I read their books and I can see that the Trinity is philosophical and not biblical. 1. God the Father manifested himself in flesh 1 Tim (3:16), this human manifestation is called the Son of God (lot 1:35). Jesus said: "I and the Father are one", Jesus is the Father and the Son, being one Father and Son. 2. Distinction of places implies distinction of entities or entities (one in heaven and another on earth). Therefore there cannot be only one God, but at least two gods, therefore his argument is polytheistic. 3. say "three persons" or "God the son" or "These are unbiblical arguments."

@@eduargironza3403 look at it like this my brother,You have the power line and there is a transformer at the pole they both provide electricity to your home two different components right??.. they are both electricity right? So do you have two electric powers or two components one power that provide your home with electricity..?It is still one source of electricity but power line and transformer work in conjunction with each other one will not work without the other..Think about it take your last name for example,Your Dad and yourself two distinct persons one last name..Wait how can there be two people one eduargironzas?..

Jesus is setting beside an invisible spirit? How would that be determining considering he can’t be seen? Right hand represents in the Power of? Right hand of power, in his right hand, on his right hand, at his right hand. Here’s the various uses of the description in the Bible.

That's just Bryan Denlinger nonsense.

John writes word was God not is God Almighty God turn himself off from not being almighty God? See how silly that verse is when it's not translated accurate

So you are being influenced by man and what they think of you. I have never found that attitude in the Apostolic Church. My belief in the oneness of God came from Him showing me the many multiple passages where He plainly says He is one and only one. Isa. 44: 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus in Rev. 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” These verses alone prove the oneness of God. There can’t be two first and last. The first Christians were Jews they would have never accepted a teaching of a trinity. The scripture is not of a private interpretation. To accept what is a majority doesn’t prove truth. You are talking like the typical secular human. The way of man seems right, but that way deceives.

@@hargisP2 I'm an imperfect person just depending on the grace of God and searching the Godhead on my own; I'm taking a furlough from reading books and seeking bible teachers' opinions, but I've found some good men and women here who are honest and sincere in the sharing of their experience that I can draw on. Jesus freely gave, and it's nice to hear others give their free opinions and thoughts. I can't help it if I see a trinitarian view, but I just do and I'm reading the Oneness points, and asking the Lord to reveal in His time the understanding of some verses that sound contradictory. Maybe God doesn't even want us debating this because it's something we'll only understand in heaven. My reference to being influenced by men was my confession. As a new Christian, I was mesmerized by the great Oneness apostolic evangelists and putting up leaders on pedestals. I'm glad to hear you don't do that. Do you condemn me for that?

@@jackiet5334 I definitely don’t condemn you for that and I think it would be foolish for anyone to condemn anyone else for a lack of understanding. I’m Oneness and have been for 20+ years. I’ve also struggled with the concept of Oneness and Trinity. I see the appeal on both sides of the argument as far trying to draw to a conclusive understanding of Who God is. I know God is ONE and absolutely ONE, but I may not understand everything about it also. I’m Oneness and have stayed Oneness because I believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in other tongues, that is plain as day in Scripture. I also believe that if you have the opportunity to be baptized, then you absolutely should. But there’s many other things that I simply do not understand and have even drawn my own conclusions on. For instance, I lean more towards the belief in eternal security. Many people reject this as “a license to sin” but if you truly love the Lord and have His Spirit, then you won’t want to sin. You will want to better yourself in every area of your life, even though our efforts are often futile. The Bible tells us that even our righteousness are as filthy rags before Him. I believe that the most important thing of all is obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Faith in the work that He started in us and that He will be faithful to finish the work in us to the end.

Hey Hargis... never did I claim to be more godly... nor have I expressed hatred toward anyone. If you're seeing 'hate' ... that is your inference. I have been quite careful in my tone... knowing that every person I come in contact with is created in the Imago De. Never did I say I hate Acts 2:38... have you seen me speak against Acts 2:38? Nope. Acts 2:38 is part of the Holy Tradition of Scripture - vetted by Trinitarians. So. Why would I hate it? Trust you are well. Be encouraged. And forgive me, sinner, if I have offended you personally in word or deed... I knowledge or ignorance. Lovingly, Lee!

@@realmccoy124kinda odd to call someone a sinner? But make a claim to come from a position of understanding?

How about that Book of Acts challenge?

"Episode 8 Is the Baptism of Jesus Evidence for the Trinity?" is available at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CU0P3awcikw.htmlsi=nKZc6cjkvUR-CCJa. (Podcast Production Team)

How so? Explain

@@wjdyr6261 Who was the atonement to? Who was Jesus praying to in Matthew 26:39? Who was He Praying to in John 17? Who was He prayin to on Luke 23:34? In Genesis, who was the Lord refering to when he said "Let US make man in OUR image"?

@@chatopato82586 God, as a man, was making atonement. Christ, as a man, was our example in all things and demonstrated the manner in which we pray and to who it is. One God, Jesus name

The statement on the right hand of God does not mean position of location. It refers to power. Every theologian will tell you the same.

@@hargisP2 Strong’s Concordance says it means to stand. Stephen looked up and saw our mediator Jesus Christ standing on the right hand of God. Even if the verse was referring to just “power” how would you explain him seeing Jesus standing on the right hand of God?

Tristan, thank you for listening. Dr. Bernard addressed this passage in Episode 65 "Is Jesus Standing at God's Right Hand?" (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8Rl6Wdvb0vU.html) - Podcast Production Team

@@DavidKBernardUPCI thank you I will give it a listen! Appreciate the info.

We’ll as previously stated Steven didn’t see God and Jesus. He saw Jesus glorified. The Bible tells us that God is a spirit. On the right hand means with authority and power. Also if you read a few verses down Steven say “Lord Jesus receive my spirit. If he saw two why didn’t he acknowledge the other? If there is a trinity where was the third? As for the three that bear records record in heaven. Notice how it doesn’t say three persons. It also doesn’t say the son interestingly. It says the word.

@@derekbaker777 Goodmorning beloved brother ! I think we should go where they don't know God to take to them the gospel of the Son of God so that they may know their Father as well as us for the only way not to tempted is to pray..." pray so that you may not be tempted"... says the word of God and it says also ... "as my Father have sent me I send you also as disciples"... I think wherever we are and can be we ga gave to carry the gospel to there so that they may know the true God.

Jehovah witnesses and apostolics believe the same as you.Yes one Godhead three distinct persons..is trinitarian belief..

@@raymondperez1131: No, Apostolics don't believe in three distinct persons in the Godhead, which is what Trinitarians believe.

@@derekbaker777 yeh to each their own....I understand..

That because he manifested him self in Creation as God the father, st John 1:1 word became flesh, there is no scripture of Jesus manifested as son in the beginning with the father.