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How to tell who made your hand plane 

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An indepth look at lateral adjust levers and how they can be used to identify more info about your hand plane’s manufacturer.
Resources mentioned in the video include, but are not limited to:
www.justthepla... - Millers Falls info
www.timetested... - Sargent related info

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30 сен 2024

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Комментарии : 59   
@GenealogyTV
@GenealogyTV 3 месяца назад
I have a 14" hand plane that has a red frog and is stamped near the toe that says Made in the USA, it says Victor on the chip breaker and has a red wood tote and front knob. I'm trying to figure out what version of hand plane this is.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 3 месяца назад
Sounds an awful lot like a second line plane that Stanley made. I don’t recall the time frame but they resurrected the “Victor” line years and years after buying them out. It’s a hardware store brand equivalent - similar to Wards Master or Craftsman
@Hawkeyelaotzu
@Hawkeyelaotzu 6 месяцев назад
ECE stands for E. C. Emmerich and they have been making planes in Germany for five generations (1852).
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
I just knew someone would know it on sight. Thank you 🙏🏻
@elainehiggins7544
@elainehiggins7544 6 месяцев назад
I made it to the end. My brain hurts. Very impressive. What about Buckeye planes? Were they not made in the my native state of Ohio?
@stufarnham
@stufarnham 6 месяцев назад
I have an ECE Enneruch #711 smoother. In general I am a Stanley guy, but I love,this,plane. Lignum vitae sole for,that unmistakeable wood-on-wood feel and a backlash free on the fly adjustmemt. Great tool.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
I haven’t tried to use it at all. The plane came to me in a medium size lot of planes. One of these days I’ll sell it
@dennismeko
@dennismeko 6 месяцев назад
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
That’s a great question. I think Stanley maintains *some* records of older production data for historical purposes but I don’t know if they would have that kind of specific information. It would make a great rabbit hole, I mean research project!
@American_Woodworker
@American_Woodworker 6 месяцев назад
Yep, you know way too much about laterals...😅 Nice job on pulling it all together and threading it all together with the Stanley baseline.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thank You! This is one of my favorite comments - I’m just over here like, this guy gets it!!
@Malba1776
@Malba1776 5 месяцев назад
Hey MJ thanx for putting n the work n making ur helpful n informative videos, is there a way to check ur invetory for parts were lookin for ?
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 5 месяцев назад
The best thing to do is reach out to me directly. FB messenger is best but if you’re not on FB you can email me at jplanefun@gmail.com
@somebodypeculiar
@somebodypeculiar 3 месяца назад
The plane I have was my father's, probably acquired around 1950. My thought is that it was at the cheapest end of the scale at the time. The only markings I have found are Wards Master on the lever cap (raised letters on a rectangular recessed red background), and the number 13 on the frog. The frog has crinkly red paint, including the areas where I see a machined surface in pictures of Stanley and others. The same red crinkly is the finish on the entire interior. Handle and front knob appear to be plastic. Length is maybe 14 1/2 inches. The lateral is one piece stamped, with the disk offset from the riveted pivot point, and the long end twisted. I never saw dad use it, not even once. I assume Wards meant Montgomery Wards, but could easily be mistaken.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 3 месяца назад
Sounds like a Wards Master No5. You’re correct about Montgomery Wards. It was made by Stanley for the department store
@somebodypeculiar
@somebodypeculiar 3 месяца назад
@@justplanefun Thanks for the info. It seems that being Stanley-made doesn't mean they didn't cut corners (stamped lateral, paint on the frog's working surface).
@ElSupermam2011
@ElSupermam2011 6 месяцев назад
The wooden plane with the horn, I think ir is from Germany (or at least the original design)
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Another commenter said the same! Definitely German
@TheMrchuck2000
@TheMrchuck2000 6 месяцев назад
@@justplanefunyes, definitely Germany, E.C. Emmerich. I bought their Primus Reform Smoother (I think same as this one) back in the late 80s, when I was a power tool woodworker, who could barely sharpen a plane iron. Eventually sold it for cheap, but saw a mint one on eBay 2-3 yrs. ago, bought it for a song. They’re VERY good planes, when you know how to sharpen(!), and now sell new for over $300. The Lignum Vitae sole is wonderful (and smells great). Terrific work, as always, MJ.😢
@th-pl3nx
@th-pl3nx 6 месяцев назад
Speaking of Standard Rule, I have an Upson Nut number 7. It's my understanding that at some point in time, the two companies were affiliated. It is an awesome plane, almost indistinguishable from a Stanley including the lateral and frog. Small brass right handed thread adjustment nut.
@dennismeko
@dennismeko 6 месяцев назад
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
@vasky22
@vasky22 6 месяцев назад
Another great video. Really like the Buckeye. Plenty of great tool manufacturers from Ohio.
@jcsrst
@jcsrst 6 месяцев назад
You're doing God's work!
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
That might be a bit of a stretch but I appreciate the notion!
@janetcoursey6756
@janetcoursey6756 6 месяцев назад
Great Job! A lot to take in, will have to watch again.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
I like the sound of that! Refer back to it often! 😅 But also, be sure to pick up a copy of PTAMPIA if you happen to find either volume out in the wild or for a reasonable price somewhere
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 6 месяцев назад
That was cool! I like the info on the oddballs. I buy any local plane for $20 or less and have quite the variety. My favorite non Stanley was a Sheldon No. 4 sized, while not unique in feature it is extremely well made. I say was because I gave it to my sister in law after I got it useable. My No. 6 sized Craftsman (Millers Falls) is also interesting.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
The oddballs are definitely unique. In part II I plan to go into more detail about what was going on in the Northeast around the turn of the century - many, many tool manufacturers coming out with lots of new and unique designs
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 6 месяцев назад
Also have been curious about later Stanley like Sheldons, not bad planes really other than mouth too big. I keep one around for working away from bench.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 6 месяцев назад
Oh and thanks for Miller link, I got a sweet number 9 with a black frog but all indicators i have found don't make sense. Maybe now I can figure it out.
@derekdolecki2759
@derekdolecki2759 6 месяцев назад
A + +
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thanks Buddy. I got the Ohio / Keen Kutter connection right this time! 😅
@peterfroelich
@peterfroelich 4 месяца назад
Nice to see a Turner plane with the distinctive ruby red handle. They manufactured down the road from where I lived in Nunawading until the 1970's untill Stanley bought them out. The factory had the Stanley name on it through to the 1980's.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 4 месяца назад
Nice! This Turner was a gift from one of my long-time customers down in Australia. It’s a great addition to my collection here in the US cause not a lot of people here have one
@lenlevine7146
@lenlevine7146 6 месяцев назад
Found this very useful for judging a plane’s age and quality with a quick look. So today I was at the PATINA annual tool sale in Damascus, MD, looking for a No. 3. I picked it up for a closer examination and heard a familiar voice asking if I needed help. It was MJ. Thank you again for your help today and for the wisdom in your videos.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching! Good to meet you in person at PATINA
@liquidrockaquatics3900
@liquidrockaquatics3900 Месяц назад
🐸
@justplanefun
@justplanefun Месяц назад
Ribbit 🐸
@liquidrockaquatics3900
@liquidrockaquatics3900 Месяц назад
@@justplanefun all those frogs
@seanmertens3049
@seanmertens3049 6 месяцев назад
Wow nice job and great info. Just bought 3 fruit boxes of plane parts this past summer. In the process of sorting. I have alot of frogs with no bodies. So this will help greatly Thanks
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
I have a handful of soles, at least in the common sizes so if you want to rebuild any of em, let me know. Maybe I can hook you up with a type correct sole or 5
@NTlaserdad
@NTlaserdad 6 месяцев назад
A walking talking encyclopedia of knowledge! Nice job MJ, appreciate your depth of expertise.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
All the credit goes to Roger K. Smith! He’s the one who did all the research first. Well, him and a bunch of other patented hand plane enthusiasts, back when I was just a wee lad
@j.d.1488
@j.d.1488 6 месяцев назад
MJ very informative. Another good production. Thank you sir.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thanks JD! I appreciate you tuning in. Hopefully this video will help some folks out with Identifying their planes’ ✈️ manufacturers.
@OpeeChee1
@OpeeChee1 6 месяцев назад
Very interesting and informative. Thanks Michael.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching! Hopefully it helps some folks ID their planes ✈️
@davidpeters8813
@davidpeters8813 6 месяцев назад
Great video! A lot of the twisted laterals have different shapes though, so you can tell the manufacturer from the shape.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Agreed. Hopefully I captured a bit of that in the video as far as the Ohio & their Keen Kutter laterals being a bit wider and many of the others being more skinny. And the differences in the twists between different manufacturers too, though I didn’t show them side by side
@perrymurphy4100
@perrymurphy4100 6 месяцев назад
Enjoyed that immensely. Just got into restore/ refurbishing hand planes a couple years ago so my knowledge is quite limited. I started this hobby to maybe make a few bucks but that hasn't happened. Probably because I haven't tried to sell anything 😂. Thanks
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Nothing wrong with that! I got started the same way but didn’t have room to keep em all so I had to start selling.
@perrymurphy4100
@perrymurphy4100 6 месяцев назад
@@justplanefun I live in a small 1 bedroom apartment so space is definitely at a premium. Ha, good thing I live alone!
@MrMeds-of5ur
@MrMeds-of5ur 6 месяцев назад
Great video! Wish I had this information a while back. Love looking at all those different types of planes.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
A labor of love putting this one together for sure! I appreciate ya watching. Gonna have to get a box of irons heading your way soon
@MrMeds-of5ur
@MrMeds-of5ur 6 месяцев назад
@@justplanefun sounds good! I’ll be waiting!
@Fusion_Woodworking
@Fusion_Woodworking 6 месяцев назад
I have to watch this later. Going to a tool meet now.
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Great! Good luck at the meet.
@ElSupermam2011
@ElSupermam2011 6 месяцев назад
Great video by the way
@justplanefun
@justplanefun 6 месяцев назад
Thanks!
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