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How to tune a piano - feat. Steinway & Sons piano technician Vinzenz Schuster 

Heart of the Keys
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@heartofthekeys
@heartofthekeys 3 года назад
Hi everyone! Happy to be back again after a little exam-break😊 have you ever tried to tune a piano?
@erikkrabbenbos4347
@erikkrabbenbos4347 3 года назад
As harpsichordists, we háve to tune our own instruments, every week. No equal temperament, though. Somehow that just doesn't suit the harpsichord. But we can choose from a big selection of historical tunings.
@ByNormal
@ByNormal 3 года назад
No.
@thomasbatt7565
@thomasbatt7565 3 года назад
How often do i have to tune a piano?
@ByNormal
@ByNormal 3 года назад
@@thomasbatt7565 Oh, that's a good question...
@pierfrancescopeperoni
@pierfrancescopeperoni 3 года назад
@@thomasbatt7565 At the end of the video she says at least twice a year, but I guess that's not for professional pianists who practice 40 hours a day.
@SixStringViolence
@SixStringViolence 3 года назад
How to tune a piano: Step 1: Get a piano technician Step 2: Make coffee and let the technician do his/her job. Step 3: Pay the technician Done. :)
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
I liked (and pressed like) on your method! ❤ However! I think we are a few people who can not accept that a piano gets off some days after the tuner left, and be it for money or for practicalitites such as transport and scheduling we prefer to correct those notes which become annoying. For me it was so much needed that I eventually learned to tune, and actually three piano technicians helped me, taught me the most important stuff, had me listen to first and second harmonics. After some years another technician, whom I called for tuning, said "you don't need to tune this piano, why did you call me?" and many years later my new technician came to correct an action and again - "it does not need tuning" he said. There is a twist: I think he thought I had another piano technician to tune it because of the way I asked if he thought the tuning was all-right. Now, with the tuning device, I can easily see what corrections need to be done. I seldom tune everything, from the middle octave temperature to everything up - down.
@zacharydummpfiff9837
@zacharydummpfiff9837 3 года назад
The same holds true for repairing a radio: Get a radio technician, let him do his job, pay him, done. But this way, you'll never know how things really work. To get an understanding of the world that surrounds us, from time to time we should try out something ourselves.
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
​@@zacharydummpfiff9837 ::exactly! And honestly, most acoustic piano could sound better if the player knew how to tune. The piano technician of my childhood told me that he always corrected on his piano - he never needed to tune the whole range! Also J.S.Bach is known to adjust before concerts. Chopin wrote in a letter from Mallorca to Pleyel, the piano factory owner, that he had tuned (probably corrected only) so that the small piano he had there, at Mallorca, was in acceptable condition, not "concert tuning", as he said. The piano tech from my childhood was a concert-tuner and honestly: After he had worked on our rebuilt piano it sounded so well, as good as synthetic pianos of today which never are out of tune! Excuse me for asking, is your name really Zachary Dummpfiff? What a beautiful name! ❤ Typical small-world (countryside) German I believe.
@zacharydummpfiff9837
@zacharydummpfiff9837 3 года назад
@@dibaldgyfm9933 No, it's an artist name :=)
@headoverclouds
@headoverclouds 3 года назад
What if I live somewhere with no piano technician?
@LynnDavidNewton
@LynnDavidNewton 3 года назад
That was fun. When I bought my Steinway in 1986, I learned to tune it. (I'd tried a few times to tune old pianos before.) I used a stroboscopic tuner, which few professionals would use. I tuned my own piano at least six times a year the first couple of years and then had the local Steinway expert, a friend, come in to undo my cumulative mistakes. I was very slow (three and a half hours when I was my best at it), and it was still less than perfect. My technician friend, being tactful, said, "You aren't hurting it any." Besides saving myself a lot of money and being able to have my piano freshly tuned a lot more often, I found that I could "teach" my piano to hold a tuning, and over the years, as the tensions settled, I found that by having it tuned frequently, it would hold a tuning and sound good for longer.
@Kiltem
@Kiltem Год назад
Finally a beautiful and brilliant mindset. You should want to learn every nook and cranny of your instrument. You should desire and crave that understanding. I'm glad to see some people out there who believe in teaching yourself to tune. Don't be afraid of your piano. it is yours.
@W-HealthPianoExercises
@W-HealthPianoExercises 6 месяцев назад
Well done. Tuners are very pissed off, for obvious reasons, when they hear musicians tuning their own piano. However, it is a useful and indispensable exercise. Certainly at the beginning it requires a little patience to understand the fundamental concepts of temperament (fourths, fifths octaves, etc.) and to become sensitive to the beats, but it is certainly no more difficult than playing some Chopin etudes 🙂
@anaghshetty
@anaghshetty 3 года назад
I hope your exam went well!
@heartofthekeys
@heartofthekeys 3 года назад
Yesss 🥳 everything went fine - thanks for asking!😇 … there will be some great news soon… 🤩
@jgbusquets
@jgbusquets 3 года назад
@@heartofthekeys what about a video about your exam experience? :-)
@ByNormal
@ByNormal 3 года назад
@@jgbusquets That's a good idea...
@NocturnalSoundscapes
@NocturnalSoundscapes 2 года назад
Hearing overtones is like seeing the hidden image in those magic eye pictures. It's not always obvious until you know it's supposed to be there, then it just clicks!
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Firstly, you start out with a felt strip to mute the outer strings. She doesn't show you that. Next you have to set the temperament with the single strings, when all the outer two strings are muted over at least two octaves or more. For equal temperament, the 5ths are slightly narrow, and the 4ths slightly wide. The battle is between sweet sounding 3rds and comparatively pure sounding 5ths. If the 5th is pure the 3rd will be raunchy or strident. A sweet 3rd can lead to a poor 5th. Some people including myself use a 2 octave temperament as it helps with setting the 3rds by checking the tenth. You can use various tuners as a guide as to whether or not a note is sharp or flat, but basically you have to tune by ear to the upper partials. The tuning device has to be quick. LED tuners don't work well with a piano as they are too slow to react. Minor 3rds (diminished chord) and major thirds (augmented chord) should be even. You have to stretch the octaves to deal with the inharmonicity of the strings, again generally tuning to the upper partials of the lower strings. It's important to do a lot of interval checks as you move outward from the center. I like to test my tuning with a short musical phrase that contains the important intervals where a suspended 4th ultimately resolves to a major 3rd. It is tricky, but I do advocate learning to tune your own piano as it is very satisfying to be able to adjust individual notes as they go out of tune with the passage of time.
@MechInvent
@MechInvent 2 года назад
That might as well have been Chinese to me.
@richardlehoux
@richardlehoux 3 года назад
I know it's look like a hammer but the tuning hammer is not a hammer. But a tuning wrench sound less glamorous. :)
@Joyfulkeysinstrumental-lu5ri
@Joyfulkeysinstrumental-lu5ri Месяц назад
I just recently started piano tuning with my only knowledge coming from videos, in my opinion, my first time tuning a piano it wasn't that hard. I tuned the whole piano in 6 hours, the high notes are more difficult to tune. But all you need is a piano tuning kit that includes, a tuning wrench, red mute felt, rubber mutes, and an app called piano meter. It's worth tuning your piano!
@MR-is3hg
@MR-is3hg 3 года назад
Interesting theme to talk about. By the way, I wonder if you have ever played Chopin Ballades. If you don't, it would be amazing if you did a 1 minute 10 minutes 1 hour challenge with the coda of the first or the fourth one! And I hope everything went well with your exam!
@caleblauber1441
@caleblauber1441 Год назад
I live rurally. The closest tuner is almost 3 hours away and always booked. SOoooooooooo, I've decided to start learning to tune on my own. When I lived in a large city, I had a tuner that I've used for years who used a stroboscopic tuner. I was always impressed by the accuracy of the tuning. I would have liked to have heard what the expert thought of utilizing the scope. Thx. Great video.
@eddygonzalez6018
@eddygonzalez6018 2 месяца назад
I'm a classical trained pianist who is also learning to tune the piano. It takes a lot of practice and patience. There are so many components to tuning. It's not just tuning, but regulating, adjusting the hammers, the pampers, the double action, if it has one. They say when you tune 100 pianos you start learning, tune 1,000 you should have an idea of what your doing. Many believe Aural tuning to be the best.
@davidw6936
@davidw6936 3 года назад
Many years ago I built one of those harpsichord kits. I was able to figure out how to tune it fairly well, but a harpsichord is a lot easier than a piano. It has only one string per key, and the tension is a lot lower so it’s more forgiving. I wouldn’t dare try to tune my piano.
@bayareapianist
@bayareapianist 3 года назад
Piano tuning is like wine testing. After many times tuning my Steinway with different technicians, I stuck to only one (in fact a younger guy). If piano is well tuned, like the other instruments, it sounds louder and lovelier and you want to play more and more!
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
That's my belief. A well tuned instrument is a lot more fun to play.
@awebolobu755
@awebolobu755 3 года назад
I just got my first grand piano and its getting here this Monday and I’m super excited!!
@timelwell7002
@timelwell7002 3 года назад
Laying a scale - otherwise known as tuning the bearing octave - is done using what is called Equal Temperament Tuning. This ensures that you can play in any and every key and it will always sound in tune. In the UK the tools are known as a tuning lever (NOT hammer) and tuning wedges. As you may have gathered, Ich bin klavier stimme - yo soy afinador y tecnico de pianos - Je suis accordeur et technicien de piano - I am a piano tuner/technician.
@potatopotato0715
@potatopotato0715 3 года назад
How convenient that this pops up as I realize lots of my keys are sounding awful
@xiaoyangzeng6641
@xiaoyangzeng6641 3 года назад
I'm curious. You both speak german. Did the technician also switch to English just for the video?
@Abigail_1219_
@Abigail_1219_ 2 месяца назад
Jesus saves! 🙏❤️
@chubbieminami3274
@chubbieminami3274 2 месяца назад
I am a pro violinist and I had my piano tuner do a test to see if I can tune the piano like what you did. It was very easy for me and the tuner was impressed. For violinists, we are tuning when we play every note so our ears are trained differently. I should start tuning my piano because I always stop when a key is not sounding okay and I hate hearing that same wrong key all the time.
@DrQuizzler
@DrQuizzler 3 года назад
The middle C tuning exercise was fun. It went from sounding like "oyoyoyoyoyoy", to sounding perfect to me, and the guy was like "yeah...well....it's pretty close but it's still off". The dude was kind of like a sommelier of intonation. What I think I heard him say was it can't be perfectly on, the 4ths have to be a little off THIS way, and the 5ths have to be a little off THAT way, to facilitate maximum playability in all keys. Of course probably about 7/8 of pianists are hands-off from their pianos' intonation, which makes pianists unique among instrumentalists. I remember you routinely tuning your prior piano yourself and saying it wasn't too difficult, but now you're saying, "Don't try this at home, kids." What's changed?
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
Yes, pianos can not be perfectly in tune (not even unisonos). A cent is a practical unit, a 100th of a half tone, an extremely small unit, confer with Wikipedia, Cent (music). And a decent piano are in tune within 4 cent; a concert grand can reach 2% if the tuner can, but according to American Scientific many people prefer the sound of 4% off. (Maybe not musicians!) Where did "Heart of the Keys" say that she tuned her prior piano? I searched the videos but did not see anything in the titles so maybe it was a video on instruments? The editing when she tried to move the tuning hammer was hiding what really was going on: whether she could or not. On loudspeakers it isn't possible to hear details clearly, but I think she tried to edit so as to give an impression that she did not know how to do anything with a tuning tool.
@frazzledude
@frazzledude 3 года назад
@@dibaldgyfm9933 The accuracy of a good tuning device is much better than the human ear. A typical electronic tuning device under optimal conditions can detect a difference of half a cent. Mathematically speaking, to raise a tone one cent, multiply the frequency by 1.000577790, and to lower the tone once cent, divide the frequency by 1.000577790. That is much more sensitive than the human ear can detect. But a good tuning device with a good microphone in a quiet room can detect a one cent difference easily.
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
​@@frazzledude :: Yes you are sooooo right, but there are two problems here: The strings themselves can have inharmonicity, and the tuning pins can be difficult to position precisely. I had my numbers (2 and 4 cents for concert grand and upright) from American Scientific some 20-30 years ago, and I got a copy which I know where to find. There are actually one more problem, it seems when I measure my piano tones (single string while tuning) that the frequency changes a bit, not much, but enough that the tuning device measures it (and shows it in cents.) For these reasons a piano can not be more than 2cents in tune. Furthermore there may be inharmonicities which makes it preferable to place some tones a bit more up or down in order for the harmonics not to collide too much when playing (normal) chords.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
@@frazzledude Yeah but it has to be fast. LED tuners are often electronically slow. But here's the catch you have to tune the partials as well as the fundamental and therefore a good ear tuner who knows what to listen for is best.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
@@dibaldgyfm9933 all good points
@nicola8600
@nicola8600 3 года назад
Hi Annique, congratulations on your exam!!!! You made it!!! Great content as ever, thank you! I'm getting more and more into piano technique as well, working in a piano technician's office as an amateur player. And I came across a great book by Peri Knize called "Grand obsession" ("Der verlorene Klang" in der deutschen Fassung, modernes Antiquariat). It is a documentary written by a journalist who was looking for her perfect grand piano, found it, bough ut, but it didn't sound like in the store. So she hired many different technicians, did research on what defines the sound, tuning, voicing, how we experience sound and finally found out why the grand wouldn't sound right any more. Fascinating!!! Suspense like in a crime novel. If you have time for some pleasure reading - this is something you might like!
@matthiaswilhelm9813
@matthiaswilhelm9813 Год назад
Hi,5years for my Genius J.S.Bach👍🇩🇪5 Years Alcatraz for His Equal Temperament old fucking Piano tuning.and greatful thanks,that my Ear pain Hurt for 55 Yearss Musical Audiring in this fucking tune,nur I Love Kirnberger,Pythagoran with the wulfquint,Werkmeister3,Slendro,arabian Sales and microtonal Tunings,Bach have the great Cent Tuning to Rule the world,Oh Shit😎😂😂😂🎅💒
@grissini
@grissini 3 года назад
Did he said something during the conversations you had about those automatic humidity control system like those you put under your piano? Would be curious to know what a Steinway technician think about it :)
@Pilosoposporo
@Pilosoposporo 3 года назад
I'm not a Steinway tech but having an automatic humidity control system is only half good, but not as effective as controlling the humidity of the entire room. Having humidity control under the piano doesn't protect the other top half of the piano, obviously.
@AL-pu7ux
@AL-pu7ux 3 года назад
I traded in a Baldwin grand to Steinway and the first thing they did was remove my Damp chaser and throw it out. Not good for the piano. in fact although the unit was a few years old it caused some oxidation of the frame. I have a Steinway grand bought from Steinway with no Damp Chaser and the tuning is very stable.
@bayareapianist
@bayareapianist 3 года назад
@@AL-pu7ux I have a Steinway. Steinway is also famous for holding the tune for a long time. Since I live in CA, I do not have to tune my piano often. Once a year or two is good for me. I paid more for my piano and my friends who did not get Steinway have to tune theirs twice a year. If they don't their piano sounds horrible.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 3 года назад
​@@AL-pu7ux the purpose of the Damp Chaser is to "dry out" or reduce humidity in a humid environment. It is not a very good solution as it is focused on only a small area of the instrument and can "cook" (over-dry) that area while other areas of the instrument remain more humid thus creating non-uniform areas in the instrument which, under several tons of tension, is NOT a good thing! Of equal - or perhaps more importance - is humidification - especially in the winter - when overly-dry air can wreak havoc as well. As "Pilosoposporo" above has said - proper conditioning of the entire room is far preferable.
@pazuzuzozo3010
@pazuzuzozo3010 3 года назад
What would be cool it's finding out about the auto player/Midi implementation.
@pindapowernet
@pindapowernet 3 года назад
Why am I watching how to tune a piano? I never even played one... Still enjoying it and getting enthousiastic! I do play guitar though and tuning on the overtones works on that one really good as well. Love the content!
@ScaramouchedaVinci
@ScaramouchedaVinci Год назад
I've been tuning my instruments myself for years. I bought a professional tuner in the 90's. However, with some old instruments you notice that the device is not sufficient, then you have to listen to it. But I still have a good orientation. Once I called for a piano tuner. He played the instrument and scolded, "what else should I tune, the instrument is tuned" and left. However, nothing beats a good ear.
@onemanfran
@onemanfran 3 года назад
Makes me thankful that my professional tuner, Jonathan, is coming next week!
@brucecrane9605
@brucecrane9605 3 года назад
That was so interesting. I'm glad I have a digital piano at this time since I'm just starting out playing piano. Really enjoyed the video. Congrats on passing the exam. I never doubted you would.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 3 года назад
yes - that is one of the helpful features of a digital instrument! :-)
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Even though I know how to tune a piano, I prefer a good digital like Pianoteq. By the way, you can tune notes individually with Pianoteq Pro. That's not something you can do on most digital pianos.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 3 года назад
@@JoeLinux2000 - well - that's impressive - so you could do a stretch tuning on Pianoteq Pro - neat!
@Quentiny_
@Quentiny_ 11 месяцев назад
Du bist Deutsche und machst Englische Videos interessant! (Über Klaviere)
@Anonymous-it5jw
@Anonymous-it5jw Год назад
The heavier hammer (wrench) the technician used will give you much more control over the process, and you can rely on your perfect pitch to discern small problems before they become big issues. The technician’s advice was invaluable. If you are ever faced with an out of tune or “ill-tempered” piano before a performance, having a proper tuning “hammer”(wrench ) with you could help your sort out small problems, if you absolutely had to, or to know that the problems are serious enough to justify your demanding that a qualified technician address the problem before you embarass yourself by playing on a second class piano that has not been checked out before your arrival. (Having a qualified technician on hand to check out the piano before and during rehearsals should be in your appearance contract.)The weight of the heavier “hammer” allows you to make small adjustments using the mass of the hammer as your helper, instead using of the muscle power of your fingers, wrists and forearms to force very small adjustments, if you use a light weight tuning hammer. Thanks to you and Vinzenz Schuster and to Steinway & Sons for a great video.
@koseybrown5763
@koseybrown5763 3 года назад
I tried to hire a tuner… he saw a piano tech book in the room and told me to tune it myself. Now i am studying to become piano technician 😁
@davyboyo
@davyboyo Год назад
Great video! Just to share something with you, Well temperament is actually a different (unequal) tuning from equal temperament. The well tempered clavier was written for an unequal tuning and actually sounds really nice in a 'well temperament' in which makes intervals a little different especially from in different keys, Bach used full advantage of this and it adds more spice to these preludes and fugues.
@pazuzuzozo3010
@pazuzuzozo3010 3 года назад
Everyone: Can Beethoven Tune a piano? Beethoven: No - I'm Dead. Everyone: Could Beethoven Tune a piano? Beethoven: No - I'm Deaf.
@jessedennerlein9746
@jessedennerlein9746 3 года назад
A, I grew up playing Trombone and played semi-professionally for a while. Trombonist are professional tuners, every time we play a note we are adjusting the tune of it and then I tried tuning just one string on our family piano and quickly gave up and finally called a professional tuner to fix what I had messed up!
@potatopotato0715
@potatopotato0715 3 года назад
Most interesting thing I’m seeing this whole month
@BohumirStehlik
@BohumirStehlik 2 года назад
I actually hate pianos with "clicking" pins. They should be smooth...
@mortonbaychestnut4072
@mortonbaychestnut4072 3 года назад
If you love your piano... don't tune it yourself...
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
No learn to tune, you'll love your piano more.
@p1anosteve
@p1anosteve День назад
What you are listening for at 5.50 is the slow beating or fluctuation in volume of the upper C at about 1.8 times per second.. if that helps anyone.
@frankbernotimm3031
@frankbernotimm3031 3 года назад
Interesting! Good way to understand the well tempered tuning! I am as a (non professional) violinist familiar with tuning and prefer this without a tuning machine (I also play without a tuner!). I think, it's a question of time and practicing to learn this and it's indeed better to order a specialist for a piano (I tried it long ago with a harpsichord and - no surprise - failed...)
@not_a_musiciantube6251
@not_a_musiciantube6251 3 года назад
Amazing! My conclusion is: my piano sounds like crap
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Probably true for the great majority of neglected pianos
@amjan
@amjan 2 года назад
Guitarists: Huh, we tune our instruments all the time ;)
@davidjenson4512
@davidjenson4512 Год назад
Piano tuner: Now try doing that with 240 strings!
@huang093
@huang093 3 года назад
I am so happy to watch your clip as a preview! I am going to finally get my own Boston GP-215 shipped to Taipei, Taiwan, after waiting for it for three months! And I am so delighted to see this post after your exam! I believe you must have passed it with flying colors^_^
@lokmanmerican6889
@lokmanmerican6889 3 года назад
Wow, new piano!
@LanKelley
@LanKelley 5 месяцев назад
pryramidal energy
@peterjrmoore3941
@peterjrmoore3941 Год назад
incidentally, about 20 years ago, for some reason, the whole piano sounded so jangly to me. I found a teacher about four hours away that I studied with for 10 years. he took me back to real deep, listening, including, of course, singing intervals in just intonation. after a while, the piano sounded lovely again, and I could hear what the piano was "aiming for" rather than the literal sound of the piano. After even more time, I could imply many of the notes that the piano simply can't play, and therefore I could improvise, according to context, some of those beautifully romantic feelings that can only occur through the manipulation of the harmonic landscape through equal temperament. Of course, I'm talking about enharmonic intervals, but my teacher, allaudin mathieu, helped me work with the great Diesis and the diaschisma intentionally. Earlier he helped me compose and improvise pieces that had zero enharmonic ambiguities. The feeling of these miniatures was of course completely different from anything that occurred later on in the history of western music.
@fvizeus
@fvizeus 3 года назад
Very interesting! I expected that nowadays they would use computers or something to measure the exact spectral decomposition of each note in order to achieve a more "perfect" tuning But I guess the human feeling is more important than that
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
A computer tuning is a good starting point, but in my opinion it's not nuanced enough for a quality "overtone balanced tuning." Some blind tuners are great, others no so good. I would say go with a bind technician if they are good.
@davidjenson4512
@davidjenson4512 Год назад
There is a LOT of discussion of the value of machine (computer) tuning among professional tuners. As an strictly ear tuner I can see some value in a second opinion from the soft-ware in some rare cases, and it excels at rough pitch-raises bu†, for me, it is slow and fiddly for finish tuning, and the few times I've tried it I didn't like the results. (addendum : After years of raising pitch aurally, I can do it faster by ear but THAT takes years of practice.)
@KalpaHettiarachchi
@KalpaHettiarachchi 3 года назад
Great
@jd-py5nm
@jd-py5nm 3 года назад
tuning is an art a good piano tuner is a must
@Brian-L
@Brian-L 3 года назад
You can tune a piano, but you can’t tunafish.
@marshallartz395
@marshallartz395 3 года назад
Did you just make that up? 😃 🎹🐠
@RJ9mech
@RJ9mech 3 года назад
Great conversation! I'm also a C&A technician for the local Steinway dealer, and I love it when customers ask lots of questions!
@alexeykulikov2739
@alexeykulikov2739 3 месяца назад
You can absolutely tune your piano. Servicing is harder. But tuning is `absolutely doable
@zzp1
@zzp1 5 месяцев назад
Tuning a (grand) piano is wisdom in itself. First of all, you need to have the absolute hearing. Like a violin, the piano is very quickly out of tune. Change of (room)temperature, moistness, shifting from place to place, it all contributes to the misalignment in sound. It can cost you a good part of the day to get an acceptable result. This video explains a lot.
@RyGuyStokes
@RyGuyStokes 2 года назад
NONSENSE! Of course the pros do it best! But others can learn to do it too! TOO MUCH STUFFY DIFFERENTIAL ATTITUDE TOWARDS PROFESSIONALS! How are you getting paid?
@kuba2ve
@kuba2ve 7 месяцев назад
So, if I tune each piano using a chromatic tuner app, to the expected frequency, and with the accuracy that such app provides (a range of +/- 10 hz from the note's frequency)... would that be sufficient? or is there something more to it?
@franknilson180
@franknilson180 2 года назад
Thanks. I enjoyed your video. I have never tuned a piano before and just yesterday, I tried it out on an old piano, with four candle holders fitted to the front side, which was last tuned in 2014, and has been transported from a farm to my friend's place. I did this exercise as there is no pianotuner in this town and the closest one is 150 km from us and my friend wants to learn to play the piano and he agreed for me to try it out. Every note on the piano was horribly out of tune. I downloaded an app onto my cellphone and also the hertz information from internet. I also did not have the proper tools and improvised a lot to assist me. Ha-ha. Well, I managed to do most of the white notes according to the information from internet as well as the app on my phone and I was impressed how it turned out. I will do the rest tomorrow. I did have a few challenges, i.e. sticky notes and loose string pins, but with the help of RU-vid, I managed to sort it out. Even with all the information and the tools, it was a tedious job and not something that I would like to do everyday. I enjoyed your efforts and your laughter. It was fun to watch. Thanks.
@sirmaxwellvonfleckenstein5376
@sirmaxwellvonfleckenstein5376 3 года назад
I've learned to tune my own piano with the aid of an app (Piano Meter). I am much slower than a professional tech but am happy with the results. The high treble is the most difficult.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Yeah even pros have trouble with the top notes which is almost guess work as they are hard to mute too.
@davidjenson4512
@davidjenson4512 Год назад
A pro has no trouble with the high notes, but they do tend to separate the men from the boys as you are learning.
@GingerIndiana
@GingerIndiana 11 месяцев назад
I took Piano Technology classes at university and this was SO interesting. From learning how to move a piano (upright or grand) to adjusting all the small mechanical pieces, we could learn and exercise on old broken grand pianos. But I never took the tuning class because the teacher said it wasn't worthy if it wasn't to become a professional tuner : to be able to tune properly (AND to make it hold which is as important !) you have to do it every day otherwise you lose the habit of the ear and of the wrist movement that will make your tuning work last. The fun of the class was that we learned to make a knot in a broken string!!! 😅 i found that so useful because it can happen to anyone and no need to call your tuner, just make a knot then tune that single note and it will be OK for a while.
@rogershaffer1
@rogershaffer1 11 месяцев назад
Your tuner was not very helpful. Posture is all important to getting a correct tuning. Also the pitch should be approached from above the final correct pitch, not below. And knowing how to SET the tuning pin is extremely important. I have only been tuning premium pianos for 40 years, and these are some of the procedures I teach my students. Some of them now tune as well as anyone on the planet.
@TheSunlex
@TheSunlex 3 года назад
Gratulation zum bestandenen Examen! 👍 Mal sehen, wohin Dich Dein künstlerischer Weg nun führt (hoffentlich nicht zu den Stuttgarter Philharmonikern). Wenn Du in Deutschland bleiben willst, könntest Du z. B. nach Berlin, Dresden oder Hamburg gehen. Ich vermute aber, dass schon alles vorentschieden ist und Du im Stuttgarter Raum bleibst. Trotzdem toi, toi, toi und alles Gute!
@silver_c1oud
@silver_c1oud 7 месяцев назад
You Are so Beautiful Ms. Annique ❤❤❤ I did enjoy watching your vids
@fiskfisk33
@fiskfisk33 2 года назад
I'm a bit confused, when he spoke about "temperaments" he was actually referring to tuning methods, right? I assume Steinway tunes to equal temperament like everyone else
@philosophicallyspeaking6463
@philosophicallyspeaking6463 2 года назад
It is my experience that many good 'techs' can't tune worth a damn, and many fine 'tuners' can't regulate (adjust action geometry and balance of forces) or voice (massage the quality of sound or timbre) to save their lives. There is a certain degree of 'alchemy' involved in all three of these dependent yet independent activities that defeats the science of either, and they each require a nuanced personality, bordering on being OCD, that is particularly suited to the specific practice. In addition to aging, which both affects and effects the ear, there is it seems a psychoacoustic component to all things auditory: Many accomplished tuners have, or 'develop' (as ears fail and imagination expands), blind-spots (because they don't know they have them), which are zones, regions, or specific pitches (often in the extremities of the range) in their aural acuity where both the science and their ears fail them.
@lucindayu2541
@lucindayu2541 2 года назад
Why you two guys have to speak English to communicate with each other? Because you have different accent? You don’t want people to recognize you and even the accent, and then to know you. That’s why nowadays people don’t really talk to each other, when they do have to do it, they only do Quatsch with you.
@km6206
@km6206 Год назад
but he's tuning to equal temperament which is not the same as the well temperaments used by old composers (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc.).
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 3 года назад
Whilst a full and complete tuning is best had by a professional tuner to make a good piano sound great, lesser tuning approaches can be useful to make a somewhat-out-of-tune instrument sound better. A "perfectly" tuned piano stays in "perfect" tuning for - oh, maybe a few hours, or at most maybe a day. Most of us are accustomed to playing and hearing less-than "perfectly" tuned instruments, and as pointed out in other posts, there are some significant variances as to what constitutes a "perfectly" tuned piano. I've been able to use a Korg CA50 Chromatic Tuner to keep my piano (Yamaha U1) in a usable tuning by strict adherence to centering the needle for setting temperament, and by making the necessary minute adjustments by ear to hit unisons and octaves. It's not too far from where a professional tuning would put it. It still requires development of some understanding of the friction points on the strings and the torque of the tuning pins, as well as the ability to hear and tune to unisons so that the piano is at least "in tune with itself" and the pins and strings are "set" so as not to go quickly out of tune.. But it *can* be done - with considerable patience and to varying degrees of success (any breakage of strings and damage to the pin block notwithstanding ... ). There are some digital instruments which attempt to accommodate the parameters of stretch tuning - such as the Peterson Model 490ST AutoStrobe Tuner with Stretch Tuning. The post at the link below makes a fair point about doing some intermediate "touch-up" tuning to put strings back into unison - by far one of the most frequent (and annoying ) tuning nuisances - as well as provides a bit more in-depth knowledge for those who may be considering it: livingpianos.com/tune-your-piano-pt-1/ One tip - do NOT pull on the tuning hammer when the string is not vibrating - you need to hear the change in pitch to know when to stop (and also to keep from breaking a string by pulling on it when you can't hear what it's doing!) .
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
There's always the problem of having the lever on the wrong string.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 3 года назад
​@@JoeLinux2000 been there, done that! I visually trace the string to the pin the hammer is on before I apply any pressure to the hammer - and then listen for confirmation (pitch change) when I move the pin - I only move the pin when the string is sounding - seems to help - ;-)
@Kiltem
@Kiltem Год назад
I hate this idea and mindset of "Never touch the tuning of your piano, always pay someone to do it blahblahblah". You're all limiting yourselves so much on your understanding of the instruments fundamentals by not understanding half if not more of the instrument. Dont suggest to NOT learn something new. Piano tuners just want to keep getting paid and are afraid that everyone is figuring it out on their own.
@nihaimamoniquestamper7670
@nihaimamoniquestamper7670 3 года назад
🥰 Hello, i hope your exam went well. I will have soon my piano, and yes i will ask help for tuning it. Greeting from Netherland.
@AlOne-xg6dv
@AlOne-xg6dv Год назад
I will try to tune my piano VST/Plugin. Where can i find a tuning hammer for my piano Plugin please 🤔⁉
@t.m.7712
@t.m.7712 7 месяцев назад
Why is there this bloody music in the background all the time?????
@atu4965
@atu4965 5 месяцев назад
Lucky you didn't snap the string, it will be a good show if you snap it.
@MrFunnyPenny
@MrFunnyPenny Год назад
I start with fourths and fifths in a similar temperament balance. Then octaves but to be more precise, I check the thirds in octave form.
@leroymarsman9496
@leroymarsman9496 3 года назад
This was very interesting
@christinac1553
@christinac1553 3 года назад
Who are the heartless ogres who give you thumbs down? Crawl back to your cave. This woman is scintillating!
@zdogg8
@zdogg8 Год назад
2:15 to Get started? The bane of amateurish RU-vid sites....jabber jabber and filler.
@reallynotpc
@reallynotpc 3 года назад
I haven't heard of the Steinway temperament before.Very interesting video, thank you!
@Hirnlappen
@Hirnlappen Год назад
As a teenager I once heard a professional tune my piano and boy was he struggling with the high notes! When I listened to it afterwards, I noticed that the highest ones were almost half a note too high in the end. The rest was fine though. I wonder if that was maybe aged hearing?
@mattwaters6987
@mattwaters6987 10 месяцев назад
Having been in the trade for 36 years i like to call it making the 4ths a little wide and the 5ths a little narrow. 😊
@pjwu2338
@pjwu2338 3 года назад
Yeah !! Another video from Heart of the Keys !! Finaaaalllyyyy !!!!! 🥳🤩 Hope your exam went well! Keep it up.
@coucou3233
@coucou3233 3 года назад
1.10.1 challenge tecktonik ! (Not obligatory 😉)
@johnnovie3168
@johnnovie3168 2 года назад
It was easy for me to tune my first piano, I guess playing guitar all those years I knew what to listen for, my piano tuner said that he was very impressed with me after hearing the piano from when he had heard b4 it being out of tune, now I can save money not have to hiring a piano Tech!
@markito3311
@markito3311 2 года назад
I learned to do it myself too because i can't afford a piano tuner.
@henrygatlin716
@henrygatlin716 3 года назад
Is Steinway Service standard for Boston grand pianos ?
@MullahSteinberg
@MullahSteinberg 3 года назад
It’s not difficult at all. During the last 14 months I learned how to regulate , voice and tune my own piano. I am 62 and I own 2 imperials. I have my 2 technicians for both pianos in 2 countries. They have been with me for decades. They will still maintain my instruments but I can now touch up in between. Please encourage ALL pianist to understand how a piano works so they can communicate with their technician. Please do not put people off. After 58 years of playing I now understands what suits me and have my own set of regulation parameters. All professional tools can be bought for about 5000 RMB Well worth investment for my 5,000,000 RMB worth of piano. PS you probably realise by now this is not my real name. …
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
My advice too. Any violinist need to tune and play in tune, (vibrato helps cloak out-of-tuneness, though) but tuning a piano is (of course) a much greater task (around 200 strings). A player who accepts the beats (unevenness "oyoyoy" as demonstrated at 07:55 ) will suffer from lack of sensitivity for dynamics, less expressiveness in playing. Sometimes that is necessary, sometimes the pianist should say "this is too bad", and correct it. But it would be preferable if you learn it on a less than concert quality instrument (you can damage). If you get instruction from a positive helpful technician you are lucky.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
@@dibaldgyfm9933 When doing a single note you can use the rubber wedges like she showed. Mute off the outer two strings and check the center string as the root, third, and 5th in a chord for starters. Also check the note in question with wide intervals such as two octaves, 10ths, and 15ths. Violinists don't play intervals to the same extent pianists do. A piano has to be in tune with itself, at least more so than a violin. I fixed the intonation on my soprano sax by gluing cork crescents in the tone holes of notes that were slightly off. It effectively moves the hole up or down a bit. A sax has to play its very lowest note in tune or you are out of luck.
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 3 года назад
@@JoeLinux2000 ::I knew - of course, I have been tuning my piano and some other for 45 years; the technician helped me learn, then he retired! Later tuners have sometimes wondered why I wanted them to come (I can not do it as good as a professional PT).
@totsbig
@totsbig 3 года назад
Speaking of piano technicians, I would be amazing if Annique somehow find a way to collaborate with Mattias Krantz (RU-vidr who likes modding pianos and stuff for fun). He recently made a video about hiring pro pianists to play one of his modded pianos. I'd imagine their interaction will be cool. Anyways, much love and respect from the Philippines!
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
I don't think much of that guy who uses fishing line for strings if that is who you are talking about.
@nicbaker1251
@nicbaker1251 Год назад
I instantly heard the overtone before he called it out. Am I destined to tune pianos?
@VeganaAnarkiisto
@VeganaAnarkiisto 3 года назад
You did pretty well on that C. It sounds perfect to 90+% of people anyway, including some off-duty tuners 😉
@williammotsko8151
@williammotsko8151 2 года назад
Well Temperment is different from Equal Temperment.
@misfitbxscuit
@misfitbxscuit 3 года назад
welcome back ! glad you’re done with exams
@suki4410
@suki4410 2 года назад
Never do this for yourself. It is almost a sience.
@cogitoergosum3138
@cogitoergosum3138 2 года назад
Sehr informativ. Aber warum läuft im Hintergrund denn immer wieder so eine Musik? Zum Glück nicht während der Klavieranschläge. 🙂
@tomlloyd9400
@tomlloyd9400 3 года назад
Its not for amateurs takes years of training and practice/
@grimcharades213
@grimcharades213 9 месяцев назад
This is neither difficult nor complex
@2204JCM
@2204JCM 3 года назад
This video is very vague and incomplete. Pianos are tuned to a “Stretched” version of Equal temperament. Equal Temperament is by far the most common tuning method used around the world on most instruments. It not perfect tuning but it close enough. The advantage is that you can play in all keys equally in tune. That’s why we use it/ put up with it. If you tuned your piano to sound perfect in one key then it would sound terrible in other keys. So we came up with this compromise called Equal temperament. On top of this the piano has a lot of harmonic content in its notes. This harmonic content gets more and more intense as you go higher and lower in pitch. Matter of fact chords sound dissonant due to this in the highest and lowest octaves. Play a C major chord in the lowest octave and listen. It sounds like its way out of tune. Yet if you play a C major scale it sounds fine. This is because the harmonic content influences the way you perceive the pitches of the notes. The piano is tuned with this in mind so it sounds more in tune than it actually measures on an electronic tuner. This is where the skill of the piano tuner is needed. Otherwise any one with an electronic tuner could do it.
@TimothyAsbridge_TENOR
@TimothyAsbridge_TENOR 3 года назад
You mean “equally out of tune” ET is far from in tune, and you are quite wrong to say that some keys would sound bad in other temperaments. There are plenty of good circulating temperaments.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
I think it's more of an issue of how the bass notes relate to the chords played above them. Treble notes have to sing with the chords played below them. I consider treble note to be bell tones. You can use scales to get a sense of the tuning. If a scale sounds wrong the tuning is off for sure.
@PassionPno
@PassionPno Год назад
I get my piano tuned every 6 weeks.
@kaptnkirk2740
@kaptnkirk2740 10 месяцев назад
Your Tuning-Lever is a joke!
@MasmorraAoE
@MasmorraAoE 3 года назад
For beginners it is actually much easier to start with faster beating intervals, like major thirds (the F-A third below middle C should beat at 7 beats per second) and major sixths (F-D should beat at 8b/s if I'm not mistaken). Those are much easier to hear. You probably won't be able to count the beats as a beginner, but you will still be able to tell if the beats are getting faster or slower while tuning.
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Easier to get close with a tuning device.
@sawmakhawlhring6805
@sawmakhawlhring6805 3 года назад
hi Annique
@Jimmy-rd5ig
@Jimmy-rd5ig 2 года назад
So the title is clickbait.. got it
@stephenb4164
@stephenb4164 3 года назад
Stick with playing!
@anjalisachaniya3555
@anjalisachaniya3555 3 года назад
Please change your intro... We are tired of this repeated line.. Even can't be able to watch further next... Honestly, humble request to you to change the introduction..
@LanKelley
@LanKelley 5 месяцев назад
oni download link
@justicesportsman6020
@justicesportsman6020 3 года назад
Title: "How to tune a piano..." 1:44 "please don't try to do this on your own"
@JoeLinux2000
@JoeLinux2000 3 года назад
Don't try their method. It's incomplete. No temperament felt strip.
@simontopping3447
@simontopping3447 2 года назад
Absolute rubbish
@agucci
@agucci 3 года назад
Thank you so much for tuning the piano! I would love to interview you.
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