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Woodpeckers router tables and accessories are usually used for molding or complicated joinery, but there’s something else you can do with your router table that’s part of almost every project. In this 10-minute video Jeff Farris shows you how to use your router table as a jointer and why you need this trick in your bag.
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CONTENTS OF VIDEO:
0:00-0:44 Welcome
0:46-2:26 Jointer Problems
2:27-3:25 Router Table Benefits
3:26-5:58 Set Up Fence
5:59-8:26 Adjusting Fence
8:27-9:33 Joining Boards + Glue up
9:34-10:31 Wrap up

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7 авг 2024

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@gagecrozier7672 Год назад

You’re the grandpa I never had, thankyou for the wisdom sir.

@victoryak86 2 года назад

There’s something about Jeff’s presentation and demonstration that immediately instills confidence that I’m getting reliable guidance. Sort of like watching Norm Abrams on the New Yankee Workshop, you just know this is an experienced craftsman!

@keith7630 3 месяца назад

Jeff was actually a guest on The New Yankee Workshop years ago. He was giving Norm a demonstration on tool sharpening techniques.

@danieldamico3177 3 года назад

Hey Jeff, look forward to seeing more how-to videos. Learning new ways to use existing tools is great.

@austinstubblefield9907 3 года назад

More videos like this please. Extremely helpful.

@StarSwarm. 11 месяцев назад

This is awesome. I’m just starting to get interested in woodworking and couldn’t logically work out how you could use a router as a jointer (because I don’t know the tools yet). You literally explained in seconds something that no one else has.

@MrPatdeeee 3 года назад

This is an outstanding video of how to use a router table; to joint the edge of wood. And very few instructors could present it as well as Jeff Farris does it. I would cast him and Rich Hummel to be among the best of all; when it comes to learning "how" it works.

@barryjohnson4340 Год назад

Thanks for this video. It may have said S4S but still needed to be jointed and this was great to use my Woodepeckers router to get it done correctly.

@erwinerwin1245 2 года назад

Just a super excellent video. I am new at this and I learned a lot.

@MichaelDonovanOOMDO 2 года назад

I like the idea of adding the offset adjustment to both in and out feed sides of the fence.

@gurugerus 3 года назад

Very helpful, thank a lot. greetings from Germany

@thorshuatus 4 месяца назад

Awesome! Was just thinking about this and if anyone did this and here it is! There's always another way to get something done with the tool you may already have.

@artleeapps8026 2 года назад

Perfect Instructions, thank you. I cant afford a jointer. but seeing this video im happy to just use my table router.

@stanmashek3085 3 года назад

great video and good introstructions

@nicolasbroodryk3407 Год назад

This video convinced me to get one. Thank you.

@ryananthony4840 2 года назад

Great video, good explanation!

@marvinbenjamin3015 3 года назад

Extremely excellent. Am a woodworker got to invest in that system

@garyknable1155 3 года назад

Really liking that table

@robert_arrow Год назад

Thank you, it was very helpful

@eltacanguita 3 года назад

Fantastic very nice thanks for the video’s

@Greghc48 3 года назад

Great instruction.. thank you…..

@johnr.b.murray3417 Год назад

Nicely explained with video evidence.

@ronh9384 3 года назад

A good video and tip. I think a separate adjuster for each side of the fence as well as the main fence adjuster might be an interesting setup.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Ron, the Offset Modules are basically that. They don't have screw adjustment, but they have a vee-block and pin arrangement that insures they move perfectly parallel.

@arth.4196 3 года назад

Excellent from S. Calif.

@terryt2910 3 года назад

Good video, Jeff. Thanks. I've been working to perfect this technique with my own router table. Your video helped. One request, please describe more specifically the bit you were using. Thank you.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Up-cut solid carbide spiral straight bit. 1/2" diameter 1-1/2 cutting length.

@customcraftsbybruceslaton4872 3 года назад

I'll be using this idea when I make my doors raised panel glue ups.

@roybaker6970 3 года назад

Your 1950's Craftsman 6" jointer with adjustable twin column base looks identical to the one I recently bought from a retired woodworker. Mine is currently disassembled for cleaning and repainting. I have used washers to offset one side of my router fence to joint board edges.

@Psychlist1972 3 года назад

Nice

@BanquetesBanesa 3 года назад

hello from colonia Pensil, alcaldia Miguel Hidalgo CDMX

@loulossi1003 3 года назад

Jeff is one of the best demonstrators around. More than 10 years ago, he was a demonstrator for the Tormek sharpening system at The Woodworking Shows and one of the reasons I bought that system with no regrets. This video shows his knowledge and is already in my saved files. Thanks, Jeff.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Appreciate the comment. Lou.

@BanquetesBanesa 3 года назад

hello from México

@MrFlipjooste Год назад

Hi Jeff, I use a 6mm domino behind the in fence and a 8mm domino behind the out feed. Works for me

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

Clever!

@bobbg9041 8 месяцев назад

That looks like a good idea but i can't do it like that with my home made router table fence. I'd need to use thin stock on the out feed side.

@OwenDawson 7 месяцев назад

thanks for a great video. i'm new to the table router world. if i was doing this with larger pieces of barn wood planed down on both sides maybe 2" thick, what would be the best way to join them together in making a counter? do i need some sort of biscuit joiner or can i just glue and use a pocket hole jig and screws? thanks for any thoughts. owen

@navarroedwards8031 Год назад

Hi Jeff loved your video. Tell me can the Woodpeckers router table fence fit other brands of tables ?

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

Yes. You may need to drill a couple holes if the track spacing is different on the other brand table, but that's it.

@johnslaughter5475 2 года назад

I have the Kreg Precision Router Table. It came with 2 rods to offset the outfeed side. I have used it several times and love it. I do need to get spiral cut bits. I saw that you were using a downcut bit. Which would you recommend?

@WoodpeckersLLC 2 года назад

For jointing, either upcut or downcut will work. For typical woodworking, I find upcut more versatile.

@joejtrip 3 года назад

You can simplify the setup of the outfeed fence by using a flush-trim bit. Set the fence in line with the bearing and you won't have to trial and error on finding top dead center of the router bit.

@MrPatdeeee 3 года назад

Indeed!

@terryt2910 3 года назад

True, but with a couple caveats. You will need to raise (or lower) the bit before joining the board. The spiral bit Jeff suggested does not have a high and low area. Some portion of the spiral cutting edge is always exactly forward.

@joejtrip 3 года назад

@@terryt2910 not so. The bearing is used only for setting the outfeed table. I raise it all the way exposing a 2 inch cutting edge. A straight edge on the outfeed table kisses the bearing and setup is complete. The bearing does not interfere with the cut. it is a quick way to find top dead center of the router bit. In this video he has to reset if he gets snipe. I do understand that the spiral cutter should always have an edge that can be used for alignment but he missed it.

@newgurus Год назад

@@joejtrip Joseph what bit do you recommend for this usage on the router table cost is no object?

@joejtrip Год назад

@@newgurus a good quality bit would be the Whiteside 2505. It is a three flute with 1/2" cutting diameter and a 2" cutting length. Any 1/2" flush trim with at least 1 1/2" cutting length will be good. Examples of some other brands would be Freud, Infinity, Rockler, CMT to name a few. Also, there flush-trim spiral bits (down cut, upcut, and compression) available.

@MrTooTechnical 3 года назад

great vid. more will subscribe if you dont mention it. u guys know that right? i want the 1281 billet square that u guys made in 2013. bring it back.

@michael.schuler 3 года назад

Are longer lengths of the split fence extrusion available? If so, substituting a longer one for the infeed half of this common shaper-type jointing setup can greatly increase the ease and accuracy with which this setup can be used to straighten longer workpieces, as opposed to simply cleaning up a tricky-grained edge. Alternatively, if the offset components allow a large enough offset between halves of the fence, a long dead flat auxiliary subfence mounted to the face of the stock infeed fence could be used to achieve the same straightening function. (The fact that length of the infeed table determines the straightening while the outfeed table only provides support is why molders have such a long infeed tables and minimal outfeed.)

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Michael, we sell 36" and 48" sections of our Super Track (the fence extrusion).

@michael.schuler 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC 48" infeed would give the router table edge-straightening capability comparable to typical 12" jointer with 8' bed. Horizontal work piece orientation takes gravity out of the straightening equation: a reasonably well aligned roller stand on the outfeed side can provide adequate support, without any slight misalignment affecting the straightness of the jointed edge. Quality and straightness of Woodpecker Super Track is key for the extended infeed method to work.

@michael.schuler 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC BTW, what is the maximum offset between halves of the split fence setup shown in the video?

@richblohm1666 3 года назад

Thanks Jeff, really nice video. I have the Super Fence that I bought a few years ago at a show, but I don't recall receiving those two spacer pins. I could probably use two spacer blocks instead. What's the diameter of the two pins. Just placed an order for the spiral bit. I plan on getting the phenolic table top in the future and was wondering does it come with a router plate and if so is it predrilled?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Rich, the spacers are inside your Offset Module. No reason to take it apart to use them...just about anything will work. However, if you have a Woodpeckers Coping Sled, a pair of the same pins comes with that and they're not used after assembly...so they may be in your spare parts drawer. Anything that you have two of that are the same size (to a reasonable tolerance) will work. Any dimension from 1/8" to 3/8" will work. The point is to get the outfeed fence moved away from the base so the adjustment of the infeed fence has somewhere to work.

@richblohm1666 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC Great, thanks for the quick response.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Welcome. Missed your last point about the phenolic table. It doesn't come with a plate, because we don't know whether you want a plate or a lift. The tables are fully machined for a standard 9-1/4 x 11-3/4 plate.

@jerryjerome6709 3 года назад

Very nice video - will still take some practice to get it setup right. Just curious, what brand of cutter are you using?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Jerry, the one I was using in the video isn't the best choice. It's actually a metal cutting end mill. 20 years ago, when I bought it, solid carbide spiral router bits weren't a thing and a bunch of us started using end mills for their clean cut. Now, the tooling manufacturers have caught up and the edge geometry has been optimized for cutting wood. Look at the ones on our web site from Whiteside and Amana. The funky colored coated ones from Amana are amazing...expensive, but amazing.

@jerryjerome6709 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC Thanks for the reply. I love the Whiteside router bits. Any particular model? Upcut or downcut? It all gets a bit confusing - and expensive if you pick the wrong one!

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

@@jerryjerome6709 Up-cut is best for this application.

@citizen_koehn 2 года назад

Then to square up a board, would it be best to plane the board first? So that the wide face is flat for running across the router table? Or does it matter?

@WoodpeckersLLC 2 года назад

Yes, it would be best to have the face flat.

@jyt2106 Год назад

I have a woodpecker fence and micro adjuster. It didn’t come with the rods shown. The fence is excellent, but not quite as easy as shown. When securing the hold down screws, the the alignment of the fences change making alignment of the two fences with an offset difficult. This is still the best fence out there, but it needs more engineering to be the best one to suffice as a router.

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

Contact Customer Service. Those rods are the key to alignment.

@paulkuchnicki974 3 года назад

Can you provide any additional details about what to look for when choosing a bit for this use case? I am looking at bits with a 2in cutting length in case I want to use this for thicker stock. Does it matter if it’s an up cut or down cut bit in this scenario? Is a double or triple flute better in this use case?

@RobertBarth1 3 года назад

You'll want an up cut bit so it cuts toward the table top; the bottom of the board will be supported by the table. An alternative choice for the truly paranoid would be a compression bit. The number of flutes just decreases the amount cut by each flute, so the more flutes the better it will be for tear out (e.g. less), however, you'll need to slow your feed rate to give the small gullets time to evacuate the wood chips.

@paulkuchnicki974 3 года назад

@@RobertBarth1 Thank you!

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Robert pretty much covered it. up-cut is the best choice. Spiral flute is a must. Triple flute will last longer and theoretically cut smoother, but cost more to begin with.

@RyanONeill86 2 года назад

Did you use an up spiral or down spiral? I ended up getting a 1/4” Diablo 1” long UP spiral bit and it might be too small to be taking off 1/8” material at a time. Can’t find or think of anything thinner to use though besides this underlayment I have…

@RyanONeill86 2 года назад

Im trying to joint 3/4” material btw

@WoodpeckersLLC 2 года назад

You talking about smaller material to shim out the outfeed fence? Try stacks of playing cards. They're about .011" each and very consistent. Stack them up to make exactly the distance you want.

@eballacharles0302 3 года назад

👌👍

@BanquetesBanesa 3 года назад

The name pensil in old Castilian means delicious garden.

@2tall54 3 года назад

Are you using a spiral upcut or downcut bit?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

For this operation, it doesn't matter a lot. I use up-cut more, so that's what I used.

@michaeltran68 3 года назад

nice setup. can you please add link where to buy sprial cutter?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

We have them at woodpeck.com. My favorites are Whiteside or Amana, but they'll all work.

@michaeltran68 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC I can't find under router bit. please give a link to that bit.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

www.woodpeck.com/whiteside-standard-spiral-upcut-bits.html First one on the page. 1/2" diameter, 2" cut length. It's not gold colored, like the one in the video, but that is just a TiN coating. It's kind of a gimmick, and I wouldn't pay for it again if I didn't already own it.

@frankrubeshaw4673 3 года назад

I hate to say anything bad about this great video. Love the extra support for the piece but the board was fed in two different directions. I would definitely go this rout if the piece was not stable. Planer started at the knot on the end and router was opposite. One against the grain and one with the grain.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Frank, I would have fed them the same direction if I had paid attention. But as crazy as the grain is in that piece, there's no "with the grain" direction. The thing that makes it so much cleaner on the router table is the spiral cutter.

@MrPatdeeee 3 года назад

Maple wood is VERY difficult to get around "cut outs", no matter how you feed it.

@DobryBoj 3 года назад

My jointer is a track saw.

@terryt2910 3 года назад

Sure, you can do joining on a tablesaw, too, but not with the same cleaness of cut not the same fine adjustment.

@iandavidharwin Год назад

Who manufactures those clamps you used at the end of your video?

@jefffarris3386 Год назад

Those are Bora parallel jaw clamps.

@stephenstandirdge6505 Год назад

Do you need to run the board through a few times to get a square edge?

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

Depends on how bad it is to begin with. Typically, yes, it will take a few passes.

@antkn33 2 года назад

What’s the purpose of putting the two pins in between the fence and blade on the outfeed side?

@WoodpeckersLLC 2 года назад

To offset the fence perfectly parallel.

@jacobwoolsey3906 3 года назад

So how do you adjust the router to be perpendicular to the plate? I have the PRL-V2 router lift but when I check up a router bit it is not quite 90° to the plate.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Jacob, contact customer service. Your router bit should be perfectly vertical to the lift. Something...possibly the blocks around the router...isn't installed correctly. One of the folks in customer service can help you troubleshoot it.

@ronh9384 3 года назад

Reset the router in the router lift and make sure the router bit is squared to the plate. Then re-install the router and plate and make sure the router bit is square to the router table. If it is not square, adjust the leveling screws to make sure it is at 90 degrees in all directions.

@reedrobinson9081 3 года назад

Doesn't need to be perpendicular to the plate. All the matters is the position with respect to the cutter:) If it were a linear motion cutter (like a tablesaw blade), then you'd need to worry about fence alignment and not just fence position.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Reed, I think Jacob's issue is that the bit isn't perfectly vertical. In other words, the router is cocked slightly in the lift.

@reedrobinson9081 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC oh, yikes. never thought of that but yeah, you definitely need to get the router into the lift straight!

@briantday Год назад

Any reason you can't also use this technique to plane a small (1x or so) board on it's face?

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

Whatever cut length you have, that's how wide this would work. Personally, I wouldn't push it past 2"

@cyber4joy Год назад

Yes, you can use the router for the thin side of the wood, but how about for the broader side?

@stuff2391 Год назад

Would this idea work with cheaper router tables

@WoodpeckersLLC Год назад

As long as you have an accurate way to offset the infeed table from the outfeed table and maintain their parallel alignment.

@ginoasci2876 2 года назад

what happens when you need to joint a wider surface? you can’t use a long spiral bit.

@Boiswo Год назад

Why cant you just use a longer bit?

@toolchuck 3 года назад

Jeff, I want to pull the trigger on the Super Fence with the Micro Adjust, but I'm looking to see if it will or can be adapted to a Sawstop cast iron router table that is integrated into my table saw. Do you know if I it can work on it? P.S. I think that jointer is older than both of us. 🤣

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

The holes in the base of the fence won't line up with the slots in your table, but all you'll have to do is drill a couple holes in the (aluminum...drills easy) base extrusion. Edited to Add: You're right. The born on date on my jointer is 1950. Mine was about 7 years later.

@toolchuck 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC My date would be 9 years later, fortunately, we're all three still kicking! Yes, I see how the Super Fence can be drilled to fit, but you think the Micro Adjust can be too? That looks a bit differernt. I'm thinking I might have to adapt a couple of Magswitchs to attach it to the table top being there isn't a T-track on mine for it. I was hoping some one else may have addressed this before. May just have to jump in and see.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Simpler solution would be to buy a piece of our DP track that is long enough to reach across the tracks in your router table. Just looking and guessing, I think a 24" will reach. If not, get a 36" and cut it down. Then you can use it exactly as designed. It won't be red, but it will work perfectly.

@toolchuck 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC Ah-ha, I get it now, Duh... Well I just placed the order today for the squares you recommened for me on 2/5, "I would get the 2616 in aluminum and the 1812 in stainless steel". When the wife is distracted, and maybe just after Valentines day, I'll sneak this order in. 😜 And then, the Rip-Flip, then the DP Pro, then.... does it ever stop 🤦‍♂️

@paulstewart1502 8 месяцев назад

Good video but setup was done on your router table with two offset modules which is the most uncommon configuration and not the default for any higher end router table. Will keep looking for a setup video that covers what most people have.

@SimpleUrbanFarmer 3 года назад

What router bit is this?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Solid carbide spiral. Doesn't matter what diameter, but in my personal opinion, larger is better. I use a 3/4" or 1".

@SimpleUrbanFarmer 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC can you recommend a brand and model?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Whiteside, Amana, CMT...can't go wrong with any of those. Shouldn't leave out Freud, either...they are good, too.

@jeffrudolph1802 3 года назад

Wouldn't it be easier if the bit had a bottom bearing? It would be pretty easy to line up the outfeed side of fence with a straight edge against the bearing. Then just lower the router, so the bearing is below the top of the table. Then move the infeed back to desired depth of cut.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

Setting to a bearing would certainly work, though I would imagine a tweak or two will still be needed to get the cut perfectly in line with the outfeed. Solid carbide spirals are a bit more economical than piloted brazed spirals.

@terryt2910 3 года назад

Also, a spiral bit insures that a portion of the cutting surface is always forward.

@jeffrudolph1802 3 года назад

@@terryt2910 Ah good point, I could use a spiral bit w/ a bearing. I use those for template cutting. But I understand some repositioning will probably be required to avoid any snipe. Thanx for reply. I didn't think about cutting surface and location.

@TheNyhm1 3 года назад

Great for an edge but what about the face of a board. Get a joiner, worth the money

@joejtrip 3 года назад

This technique is especially useful when you have to edge joint small pieces that are not safe to edge on a jointer. Also to refine an edge on a board at glue-up time.

@oneeyedphotographer 7 месяцев назад

Close, but no cigar. I want to rout the board to 96mm. Not 97, not 95, 96.000mm.

@WoodpeckersLLC 7 месяцев назад

That's a table saw, not a jointer. Next step.

@researchandbuild1751 4 месяца назад

Doesn't work very well from my experience

@rjw8316 3 года назад

Really an unfair comparison. Whereas I do not disagree with using the router as a jointer you should use a helix cutter in the real jointer as you did in the router. Your type of comparison is fake IMHO.

@SharpToolsUSA 3 года назад

You're right that a $400 replacement helical cutterhead would improve the cut of the jointer. The point is, a $60 router bit in a router table you likely already have gets the job done today.

@Oh-ou4lp 10 месяцев назад

Safety gear ears, eyes and hands....

@JohnLobert 3 года назад

Why do you start your sentences with "so"?

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

So, I didn't realize how often I did that until you mentioned it. The bad habit I hear in my own playback is "Immanna" when I mean "I am going to". I'll start watching the "So's". Ya know?

@robertbutler8004 3 года назад

Come on man get real if the jointer had spiral cutters it would leave as good a finish as the router.Cut out fudging just compare apples with apples this was a pathetic example.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

So, you're saying it's smarter to spend a thousand dollars (or more) to upgrade an existing jointer that you already have than to walk over to your router table and use a proven technique? Not everyone has a jointer with a spiral head, in fact I would bet my next paycheck that straight blade jointers outnumber spiral jointers in use by a huge percentage.

@robertbutler8004 3 года назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC no I'm saying that you did not compare apples with apples. your jointer had single blades and your router bit was a spiral so your example of using both options was not fair in any shape or form.

@WoodpeckersLLC 3 года назад

The goal was not to compare a jointer to a router table or to compare straight blades to spiral blades. The goal was to show that if you don't have a spiral head jointer you can get similar results with a simple technique and a $20-$30 router bit.

@bigwilliearmitage Год назад

@@WoodpeckersLLC OK, but what is the cost of that router table setup you're using, as shown? Using cost savings as a benefit when talking about Woodpecker products is kind of ironic.