Yup. A local woman had her savings account liquidated, through her access codes on her phone. There was so much personal information, that the criminals had little trouble convincing the banks computer security system, the customer was sending them a request to transfer her cash to numbered account. It took them 3 separate transactions to wipe all the money.
"First we overlook evil, Then we permit evil. Then we legalize evil. Then we promote evil. Then we celebrate evil. Then we persecute those who still call it evil." Fr. Dwight Longenecker “In the Last Days, Good will be called Evil and Evil will be called Good.” Are We There YET ?
Problem is all those sneaky agreements no one bothers to read before they sign that says we’re fine with it. Not that we could understand them if we tried, haha.
I drive an '88 Tacoma 4WD. No crap on it just 100% truck. I know it has not told anyone anything because nobody has called me on some of the stupid off road $hit I have done....🤣
Amen. I got a 20+ year old Honda. Plus I spent a few thousand for things like timing belt and radiator and tune up, and it is cheaper than a car payment.
“…and all it collects is mud.” Lol, who are you trying to kid. 99.9% of Jeeps have never been off the pavement. The only mud you driven through is mud on the road. 😂 😝
They intend to get rid of them. Remember obama's "Cash for Clunkers"? That was an incentive tactic. Soon they will outright ban them because "public welfare".
You can get a pill for that depression. Just give your name, address, email, cellphone number, date of birth and social security number to your local drugstore owner.
@@pauls3075 lol.. the sad thing is... The humour helps deal with the miserable reality of the situation .. But we cannot allow them to get to us.. please keep fighting the depression... please keep talking to others .. the more of us that wake up the more we'll have on our side ... ❤❤❤❤
At 71 years old my 2011 Honda CRV will see me through. I purchased it new and have kept the maintenance up, and it has only 56,000 miles, now I drive less than 3,500 miles per year. So glad I have this car without all the new fangled stuff. Great information as always Naomi, thank you!
Used to have a 2012 Fit Sport. Gave it to my friend when I bought a 2020 CRV Hybrid. OMG, the amount of electronic features on it. I just turn off everything. Don't connect my phone to it. My sister is the opposite, voice command, blue tooth connect.
New cars have never been our thing. I have a 2012 Honda Odyssey, my husband has a 2006 Dodge Pickup. No cameras, no gps, no connections for mobile phones. Neither of us has ever driven a vehicle with the new gadgets. With the prices I doubt we will ever buy a new vehicle. We would rather spend the money other places.
Also, rental cars. Never connect your phone. I've rented cars with someone else's GPS destinations, phone call history, contacts, etc. Ok, you mentioned this...
I have an old Bluetooth and always use that when renting cars. Mostly because it is easier than figuring out the car’s system. Guess I should do the same in my personal car too….
@@rlight7334 A Bluetooth WHAT? I agree about the effort to learn a new system, I bring my own GPS and use a little FM transmitter from my phone for music or audiobooks.
For rented cars, I suggest just use your phone directly for your GPS navigation with Google Maps or whatever the Apple one is called. Use the audio jack to play music, or even better, use a music player that isn't a phone.
Great topic! 99% of consumers don't think about this or have a clue. In every car I've owned, the first thing I've done is pull the head unit (saving it for resale) and connecting an after market one where I choose what antenna(s) to connect. In addition, I always use a separate GPS unit and never connect any phones (calls and text messages can wait!!!). I enjoy music so an MP3 can be wired into any new head unit.
@@kellikelli4413 This is 100% true! The data collection is immense. Not only does it collect the personal data about you when you purchase and install, it also records & keeps every action taken within the app and shares user (personally identifiable) data with the services within the app. Truly disgusting...
Yes, but can you find the hidden cell connection in your vehicle. Just because you didn't provide the connection doesn't mean the car isn't communicating.
You missed the piece that collects telematics?? Nothing to do with the Internet. It can and has been used against drivers in court cases. You can't even legally remove it since, you don't own the telematics. This is just wrong!!
@@chrismellon127 I have 2 vintage trucks that I put late model engines in (called LS swaps). I did not want toxic plastic & vinyl in my car because of summer heat & I did not want narcissistic people tracking me. I think a vehicle can still be ordered new without tracking devices.
I wish there was a larger privacy community for many many reasons. But having tutorials on how to disable telemetry from cars is a big one. So I’m very excited for the next video I know unplugging the cars antenna is an option, but guessing it’s not all encompassing
Most cars have a delegated separate telematics unit. In many cases, the rest of the car will still work with this unpowered. It's not clear if other ECUs store data and then we'll transmit it once the telematics unit is reconnected. Just wait until they figure out they can prohibit you from unpowering this unit as a condition of a lease or loan. Some might even try to use it to deny warranty claims, although that's illegal under the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.
@@roflchopter11 I’ve actually found a few posts that mention taking the head unit apart then disconnecting the modem or whatever the technical term is. Sadly there’s no guides or details for my wife’s 2020 vehicle… but based on what I’ve read in Kia’s privacy policy, it’s a risk I’ll probably take.
Another option is to buy a scan tool that is capable of reconfiguring the AIPM module (Maybe called something different in other makes of cars). This essentially gives the module amnesia by putting it into the same state a mechanic would set the module for an update or replacement. Scan tools made by Foxwell and a few others are capable of placing modules in a reconfigure state. While most lay people have no permanent use for such a scan tool, when they are done reconfiguring the module, they could sell the tool on Ebay or OfferUp and get a good chunk of their money back. There is always a mechanic out there looking for a good deal on a used scan tool.
One tip for sat nav systems: don't enter your Home address accurately. You could enter your suburb only, or enter a random nearby address across the road or around the corner. For most trips home you only need an ETA and the first few navigation instructions before you know how to get home from memory, so there's no need to risk having your real address saved.
I entered someone else's name for my home addresses. It's ironic, but it works. It's not modern enough to know. The irony is my android location unlock doesn't work in my home, but works great at my neighbor's house!
@@robertwhite3503 LOL.... Take me to main street. Did you mean 123 main street where you live? That's what the rfid credit card in your pocket says. BTW, your fridge says you're low on milk and ground beef for the burgers you want to make this weekend. We can stop by Safeway on the way. Safeway has a coupon for Sam Adams beer and Doritos. We laugh now... It's coming.
I would also be concerned, after watching this, about leaving my car with anyone such as a mechanic, an oil change place, a car detailer......... Jeeeeeze this world is getting scarier by the day.
wow you made me realize how smart of an idea it was of me to make sure I remove my phone and others from rental cars, I have rented. I for the most part always remove previous devices from previous renters in the car that i rent out of respect and privacy of the people before me. people really need to be more adamant on removing their phones from leased or rented vehicles before returning them.
I've even heard a story where somebody breaks abruptly to avoid a collision of a car at crossed in front of them and that event was sent to their insurance company and caused their insurance premiums to go up.
Usually that only happens if they are in a voluntary safe driving program with their insurer. A good implementation of such a system allows for some emergency stops (but that example doesn't sound like a good implementation!).
@@dhillaz I would HOPE it's voluntary. Emergency stops are necessary in safe driving, because it's impossible to predict if the oncoming car is going to make a left turn in front of you at the last moment.
Best way is to find out how to revert to factory defaults. This wipes all data (apps, phonebook, blutooth connections) back to presets. Don't do it once, do it atleast twice. This way data is written over atleast twice.
That's a good point. It should be accessible to every new owner or, in the case of a hire car, the renter at the end of the lease should be able to delete it, similar to our smartphone set. Because every phone set has this provision. The same should be available for the cars as well. I thank you for your good point 🙏👌🙏
For the Head Unit, that's fine. For the Telematics Unit, that is illegal. You do not own the Telematics Unit in your vehicle that YOU bought; the manufacturer does. Police have laid charges when they see someone either disconnected or altered the Telematics Unit. Usually happens in the course of an accident investigation to see who was at fault.
I had no clue a new cars or cars from 2015 and up can do this now that im aware things are different i can protect my self from privacy invasion i want to donate to help the channel stay free and educate others
Ive been trying to find information on how to run like a pihole or remove the sim on my car. Ever since that court case that said you dont have a right to delete that information. Also the fact that they are selling to insurance companies.
Every time I get in a rental car, I see someone's contacts synced to the dash. Last two cars I bought, there were paired devices called "Emily's Phone" or similar. It's on us to wipe things, but it should also be on car rental and car dealers to wipe them too!
@@robertthomas5906 Near my office was an SSID that lasted about 3 years, "FBIsurvillanceVan". Pretty sure the WAP was across the street in an apartment building. The FBI doesn't use standard Wifi gear internally and they'd probably not want to advertise surveillance of regular Wifi just as a matter of stealth, but it probably arched an eyebrow or two over those years.
This massive data collection is completely out of hand. It's disgusting and crazily invasive and most people don't give it a seconds thought. You can't very well put your car in a faraday bag.
Keep digging, Naomi! We're cheering for ya! I believe all of this surveillance is a threat to both human dignity and democracy. This is the kind of journalism the world needs so much. Hopefully open source/libre software for cars becomes real. Manufacturers have abused trust.
Unless the car is going to keep you from voting or feeding you incorrect information about voting, it's not a threat to democracy. It's a threat to your privacy, freedom and various adjacent things like that. If your car has done those things, definitely say something to a lawyer bc that would be a huge lawsuit, especially in an election year.
My old friend who has been designing systems for cars for over 30 years has consistently maintained that he will never own one newer than 2007. A big part is the data gathering but there is also the multi-pronged and ever expanding technological lockdowns to ensure that only the dealer can service the car. Additionally there is supplying only assemblies rather than individual parts when something wears out or breaks. This last one of course is not about security, aside from financial!
You could bypass buying the entire kit/assembly if you go to a junk yard/pick a part place, unless they too, require you to buy the entire kit/assembly.
@@DecrepitBiden Definitely. We have a great junkyard here but there are times, like on my friend's Mazda 5, in which the ball joint is integral with the lower control arm so it can't be replaced separately.. That really shocked me.
It's crazy. A guy at the office has a Chevy Surburban. The window switch by the driver went bad. He could get the part. However, it had to be programmed by the dealer he said. For a window switch? That's crazy.
Did you hear about the Wall Street article about the man who lost his insurance. GM Honda and Hyundai were selling user data to Lexus nexus. They sold the data to insurance companies....
Since this topic is becoming more and more prevalent as people are finding out their vehicles are mining their data, I decided to completely disconnect my phone from my vehicle because I feel this is a total unnecessary violation of privacy under the guise of being convenient. Guess I'll have to keep it simple and do it the old fashioned way from here on out which is totally fine. It just goes to show you how valuable our data is. If it wasn't then why would all these tech companies be so insistent on doing such.
Looking forward to more on this topic. I have recently bought a new ('24) car. I certainly find some things annoying and privacy elements concerning. I wish this wasn't the case, but I look forward to learning more about how to protect my privacy from my car.
Sirius radio hosts at one time would say Hi to the red car on some street in some little town in whatever state. It made me think this isn't a joke. They really know. I should cancel my subscription.
@@irritatedkitty7301That is a horrifying story. I have 2 Ford vehicles that are knowingly snatching my stuff. Sirius radio seems to be a preload on most cars today. I believe the antenna used for Sirius is also used by the banks and manufacturers for repossession as well. All spying and AI baloney must go!
Good reason to keep your old car. Mine has none of these things. Also better for the environment because you aren’t buying anything new every few years, that needs lots of new resources.
I bought my car used and apparently someone had swapped the head unit. This proved to be a major headache with Sirius XM. They were double charging me, saying I had 2 cars, couldn't figure out which was the right one...
Wrong. Insurance companies are well aware of voice activation and texts can be read and responded to hands free. Nothing illegal with using hands free technology.
Yes. We all pay $$ now as insurances are paying for the phenomenal increase in Distracted Driving crashes. Those numbers exceed drunk driving crashes. And go underreported…. And sadly some of us pay with our lives , my daughter was run down from behind and killed senselessly in Iowa 8-2-2020 as a driver was on FB messenger checking out a boat sale while driving 55 mph. MomofEllen4ever28
You can also pull the fuse for the Telematics unit and where you can't you can sometimes cut the antenna wires going to the unit, pull the SIM card from the unit, or wrapping the unit in foil / brass mesh to create a Faraday cage around it where other methods aren't possible. Mechanics have access to where these units are in your vehicle and paying them an hour or two to get this done is a worthwhile investment.
Exactly, i don't trust the ideea of opting out in the menu,if you still have that device there. Especially microphones and cameras inside the car,that thing gives me the jimmies.
Partially. On a rental vehicle, the telematics unit is accessed once the vehicle is returned. They can see if you went above the speed limit. They can see where you went. Accessing the telematics is not done using the Internet. An east coast driver was sent an excessive speed fee to pay after the rental company saw he went from point A to B much faster than possible at the speed limit. He tried to argue his case but had to fork over extra cash!
@@ScubaSteveCanada I've heard of that case or similar. Scary BS. On my last road trip to CO I got two speeding tickets. Yeah, grandfather likes to use his supercharger, and I ain't talking a Tesla one. Tomorrow I'm renting a car for the trip and I promise I will be a good boy, not more than 10 over. But the issue you raise is different from the cell phone connection one.
We don't switch cars often. However my wife and I both bought newer vehicles. Both of them were wiped. They were bought from dealers, not a typical used car dealer. Thanks for bringing this to our attention though.
Step 4: Make fun of people who rant about either the car or smart phone, but not both. Or smart TVs, voice-activated home assistants, or who put dozens of IoT devices on their open network. I speculate that most humans are not "big picture" people by nature. They filter, process, and retain only that which is necessary to their daily functioning, and then only engaged at a minimal level. This is not an indictment nor some grave moral failure, it's just the way a lot of folks survive, but it makes for a very long road to be able to look a couple moves ahead, to notice potential unintended consequences or future complications. Until folks have experienced negative outcomes for themselves (some needing multiple lessons) do they see the connections and up their observation and processing game. That means mostly those who are concerned about privacy are either younger folks who've grasped the implications, and life-experienced folks who can think of several issues with loss of privacy. Heck, if I can immediately think of 3 things that could be exploited or extrapolated from car data, there are probably hundreds more I've no clue about. But most folks go about their daily lives, led mostly by convenience and influenced by bright shiny new. How all of that happens, and what they are giving up means nothing to them, and that is what data beneficiaries are counting on.
Correct me if im wrong but Im pretty sure you can just disconnect a lot of cars from the internet using the fusebox. The tradeoff is you will lose things like Onstar or anything similar to it not sure how much that really matters though. Since its not always reliable.
So true! Not mentioned in the video either. That contact data and most of the location data that you deleted will still be completely intact on the head units memory, just sitting there with only the file header location removed. Anyone who knows how to scrape data from that head unit(or other computer) in the car will get it
I upgraded my 2011 Charger's radio off of Ebay to the bigger screen from a wrecked 2012 Charger. When I plugged it in it had the previous owners saved addresses, recent destinations, peoples names for quick dialing, etc. I erased it all but my question is what happens if you get into an accident and the car is totaled? How do you get your info deleted?
Just pointing out the worst part of this is that the government is mandating this and also has access to this data. They have already mandated remote control of your car if they don’t like how you are using your vehicle. And you voted for all of this.
When the Telco's killed 3G, my car lost it's ability to talk to its phone app. I wonder if there's a silver lining in that it can no longer share data into the manufactures cloud and third parties.
It will still collect data on the Telematics Unit. Police typically request access after an accident to see who was at fault and which charges they should apply.
@ScubaSteveCanada Don't you think most accidents are obvious to who was at fault without going into the car's black box? What about motorcycle black box? Unfortunately, for this young girl who took a motorcycle ride, they never pulled it's black box (if it has one) and she has TBI and lost her foot. The kicker is the motorcycle driver is the son of the somenody high up in the gov in a big city. They have no record except for a short recording when it first happened and cops turned off their camera's and mics after they said there's the foot. Maybe that was a blessing in disguise.
They wont get more of a say. I tried to pay the dealership to take the wireless out of my car and they wouldnt do it. All they needed to do was unplug the rear digital antennae. I offered them a grand. More importantly, they just wouldnt consider it. The data is huge if they wont take a grand to "Remove Features"
My guess: this is considered part of "onboard safety equipment" that cannot be tampered with under penalty of excruciatingly detailed laws and other plagues. Voids warranty, probably.
Simply don't connect any devices to the vehicle. Buy a classic car even if it's less than 20 years old some cars are modern classics. Buy a 40 year old vehicle it might not have the most modern features like electric windows and air con but the vehicle won't be tracking the person who owns it. Some classic vehicles can be bought for a similar price to a new vehicle and sometimes cheaper than a new vehicle.
I would like to know more about Car Tracking Companies. As South African for us is important to have Car Tracking Device installed or your insurance will sky rocket.
Yes Naomi this is quite concerning when anyone foolish enough to buy an EV especially as they are known for sending information back to "base" while you are using the vehicle. This is also obvious because of the fact that the manufacturer regularly updates the software in that EV. There was a video just recently I saw where the employees at Tesla had access to some very private information and data. Frankly I think that there should be some regulations mandated for any use of such software in cars more so EV's.
6:48 - that's a 1999 Toyota Camry centre console. There's nothing digital in there, which is why I replaced my radio/(dead)cassette unit with a Pioneer that plays from a USB memory stick (but still can't collect data).
This is why I always buy older vehicles, by the way new cars need 'upgrading'every 3 years, don't upgrade and you lose functions but also the monitoring degrades. I was told by a spook years ago that some satellite tv services had the capability to monitor what you get up to in your home. This was in the 90s. So swinging, having sex or arguing is defo out in front of your widescreen
Great content, but not surprising given the modern covert surveillance state that is slowly being exposed by people like you and the guests in this video... Thank you Naomi...
I bought a 08 Cadillac CTS almost ten years ago, it had everything on it available at the time. It has nav. but I never activated it. No Bluetooth or internet connections. My key fob went dead one day. I called OnStar and the car is too old to be opened by them! They deleted all data on older GM cars. I had to find my spare key to open it. Love my old Caddy!
That's kind of hard without any chips, don't you think? Excuse me, but I need to adjust my plugs' gap, grab the light and adjust the timing and dwell, set the carb's idle for summer ops... Yes, my truck has chips. It's old enough, however, that it collects no such information as you mentioned.
It's wild to me that dealerships and rental agencies aren't required to (and therefore don't) wipe all the data before selling any used car or renting to someone else
It is an unrealistic expectation that a majority of consumers will have the specialized knowledge and skills to appropriately protect their privacy and valuable data.
The sales man wouldn’t let me leave the stealership without setting myChevy app even though I was persistent that I was not interested and did not want to set it up. Come to find out my Chevy Bolt EUV TRACKS EVERYTHING I DO.
Love it. Like. You gotta get it all big corp electronics are either spying out of the box or are so easy to hack that it should be illegal. I mean to a real hacker, not to a regular person. But come on. Security and privacy should be the main concern. And as always you look great and your man is a lucky guy. ;)
Not just the manufacturers, but any back street garage you visit will likely plug in an OBDII diagnostic tool, that will slurp everything the cars captured, and share it with a number of parties. Several of the OBDII diagnostic dongles and phone apps you can grab for a few dollars will send a dump to a Chinese server or two, every time you connect, read the Privacy agreements. Likely far too late if you only delete data on a sale.
Moral of your story - don't buy diagnostic equipment that connects to other networks via a network. The app on the phone is a data relay, too. If the phone has no tower connection the app will wait to send the data once there is a connection.
Now imagine what data car thieves are able to gather from your stolen car. And with built-in garage door openers they have access to your house and now where and what time you work.
Now they have r-SIMs which aren't physical cards. Good luck on that. Many apps ask for permission to access certain information. If you deny that permission, the app won't install.
I jave just ditched my two year old Mercedes for this very reason. I was fed up with Mercedes stalking me. I am now enjoying a 15year old one that has knobs switches and dials instead of distracting touch screens and isn’t stalking me.
My car is a 95 Buick Park Avenue. The only thing I have to do before I sell it which I never would, is give it a decent detail lol. And it isn't really rusty at all the motor still runs like a champ.
If you get arrested, because you "match a description" let's say, do the cops need a warrant to access the OBD port or the head unit? For that matter, can the data in your car be used to prove you were doing 48 mph in a 45 mph zone?
How about snubbing the cell phone antenna connection? Have to be careful though - the thing might continue to try & call home & drain the battery when it's off. This problem was the cause of a recall for some Subarus.
Just tell me what wires to cut to stop transmitting and how to wipe the history permanently. I'm OK with an on board computer logging accident data. This is a value add.
Wish it could be used to determine if the driver was watching a movie, or on FB… and convict them of careless driving. MomofEllen 4ever28 killed by a driver who was driving while interacting with an electronic device and did not even get a fine in Iowa 2020
Also, it's possible that a terms of service agreement that the previous owner agreed to grants that service provider a lien against the vehicle for any unpaid service fees which would give them the right to go after you and maybe repo the car if the previous owner didn't pay up. It may be best to purchase title insurance when buying a car.
No, as soon as ownership changes, previous contracts with the former owner are null and void. You are not bound by an agreement made by the former owner.
Well, that's clearly not the case with land and buildings. A contractor agreement can place a lien against the property for any unpaid service. I wouldn't put it past lawyers to find some legal loophole that allows them to do the same thing to vehicles.
My ‘72 Riviera has a small circuit board in the am/fm 8 track stereo and keeps all of my secrets. I also turn off my cell phone when I go somewhere and turn it on only when I need it. Nothing on my phone is that important.
My 20yo car has never heard of these spy devices, and the nearest my 40yo car comes to electronics is the windscreen wiper relay. Keeping both until they or I die.
