Kevin Fiege and the Russo Brothers get a majority of the praise of Infinity War and Endgame, but people seem to forget how crucial Stephen and Christopher have been for both movies and Cap’s character development. They’ve done just as great a job as the Russo’s and I cannot wait to see what they do next.
I know Jesus if you’re referring to Cap picking up the hammer, that was both great and something worked up to since AoU. If they allowed Cap to lift the hammer in the first Avengers, then I’d agree it felt like forced, unearned fan service. Not for Endgame. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Don’t care if anyone disagrees.
Such is the way it has always been for writers. Look up Richard Matheson sometime and everything he did in his life to get an idea of how big a hidden influence he was and remains.
@@jjbjjv8288 wdym unfortunately? The writers were crucial in how these movies turned out but the russo brothers were also crucial and contributed greatly. Unless you mean it's unfortunate that the russo brothers get all the credit and these guys get barely any, in which case I agree
Mark McAllister she was in the movie so that the final movie to end this saga would feature ALL the MCU heroes. I know it’s cool to hate on Cap Marvel, but your reasoning here is pretty pathetic.
MrSoulshock44 I think you can't underestimate the collaborative aspect here as well. They worked closely not only with the producers of each Marvel IP but with the actors and directors on a daily basis. It really shows.
If you thought about it hard enough, it was always likely. RDJ wasn't going to play the part forever and his entire arc was leading up to a moment like that. He became progressively more heroic as the movies went on. I think people just didn't want to think about it. I certainly didn't. I've just been invested in the ride, not every single character's fate. I think Captain America's fate was a lot more surprising.
@@Freeden But I bet nothing was more surprising than Thor's fate, nobody predicted THAT) He was the most boring among those three main avengers. I wasn't invested in his story. But IW changed everything)
Anybody paying attention to RDJ's contract negotiations knew his time in the MCU was limited. Downey wanted to move on to new things and Disney was tired of paying him 50 million a movie.
I’d say the majority of fandom would’ve bet that Cap was going to make that winning sacrifice and tony would finally retire. With the 5 year skip, Tony kind of got that ending
The fact that they are writers first, screenwriters second is probably central to their success. Some people aim to write blockbusters, but these people aim to tell stories. They’d never sacrifice character development and consistency for some cheap wow moment. That’s why the MCU is so much more than just superhero movies. They’re human stories too.
@@TheMasterQuests at least movies by these guys. There are no two movies in the world as infinity war & Endgame. Even if someone does not like them, you can't disagree to their power over audiences globally. Or will wait for an example.
Really? Knowing how marvel movies started, I knew it was going to open with Hawkeye because it had to happen during Infinity War but it didn't. So i thought it probably going to start the movie with another victim of the snap to remind us about Infinity War
@@izlshf5879 Good for you. There are many approaches to watching a movie, I chose to not to speculate on how the story might unfold. A few people were finding their seats still and before the sight of a studio logo there were audible gasps where I was and I've heard others anecdotally recall the same. Audiences came to the theater excited to see how their heroes will pull this one off and the tone of that scene was a hard reminder of the losses of Infinity War. Clint's uncertainty is a reminder of those lost who are both unseen, as well as normal people losing their loved ones for unknown reasons so abruptly.
Im no writer, but it's interesting to see how these writers come up with the twist and turns of story. They deserve views not only the directors and actors but these writers as well
They make such a key statement towards the end of the video: we don’t necessarily react to the events as much as we do the characters’ reaction to them. I know people who weren’t impressed with the snap because they knew all the dusted people would return. We all knew they would, but those of us who were devastated were emulating the feelings of those who didn’t know that, primarily, the surviving characters. It’s like a weird hybrid of suspension of disbelief and empathy.
I’m tired of hearing people complain about a certain character not being in the movie that much. If people were truly paying attention they would know that regarding certain characters (Captain Marvel/ Black Panther), they would know that it’s not their story. The movie isn’t about them but about the end of the original 6 Avengers.
I'm just impressed at how diligently they worked on it. Each scene had been rewritten at least five times by the beginning of 2016, only to keep working on it till early 2019. Christ that is commitment. No wonder they nailed it.
Then isn’t it crazy that some people haven’t even seen it a second time because they were so angry and disappointed in the first?! Like they haaate Endgame
@@laurenwrties6808 There is always that less than 1% of people that dislike anything that's popular. Ex: Not a single popular video on RU-vid has 0 dislikes.
I think I’m very much in the minority of this but act one of endgame might be my favourite. You want to talk radically different mcu... that first act was beautiful to me and I’ve never heard people react in a theatre to three small words and I probably never will as much as “five........years...later”
Antonio Brooks I completely agree. The part between cap and nat in the avengers headquarters is so well done by everybody. Directing acting everything.
the key take-away isn't the framework but how the screen play is a collaborative project at the big studio level. it's a lot of "right to left" writing where you are given the actors, status of the characters, budget, and schedule and have to collaborate with the marketing department and studio heads to figure out the best script. none of this "I took 6 months to write a masterpiece screenplay" business. that stuff is for indie movies.
I really doubt the validity of having test audiences when complaints like "The first part is slow" still come up. I loved that it started so slow. Marvel movies have been all so one dimensionally focused on the heroes journey to the next asskicking and success. It was the best thing that Endgame didn't do that and mused quite a lot about their defeat at first. It is what makes a decent movie into a great movie where the emotional payoff is the highest. And if the average test audience member can't see that.... then get rid of test audiences!
this is what good writing is. not killing off characters for shock value or emotional manipulation, but building up characters until their death finally serves as a tribute to a historied journey
I really enjoyed this talk of these two writers. I found out so much. Now it became clear to me how important Hulk was in Endgame. If he would just have been the smashing Hulk, he would not have cooperated during the scene, where he snaps to bring back the vanished lives. Being the only one, who won’t die of this immense amount of gamma radiation, the scene just felt even more powerful, where they gathered to say goodbye to Tony Stark. Tony died due to this immense power of the stones. You can see the Hulk, standing there, these wounds not having recovered, and thinking, what Tony did in order to save everyone. That gives Tony’s life full meaning, as the writers have said about his death. That’s a meaningful role for the Hulk, in my opinion.
The writers put the explanation for Hulk and Thor in the film, although the complainers didn’t get it. [they never get anything though, so...] Thor’s mom Freda says: The measure of the hero is to succeed in being *who they are* .... “Not in who they are ‘supposed’ to be”. When someone says Hulk was *supposed* to have a rematch with Thanos, Frieda’s wisdom is what they are not getting. Professor Hulk is *not* driven by a personal need to vent rage, or seek revenge. That’s *not* who he is anymore. The viewer can accept that or not, doesn’t matter because he is who he is, not who you want him to be.
@Summer Tyme That is really good, a very powerful phrase. I think such an attitude is very life-changing for people. Good film-writing, thanks for your comment!
Last summer the Russos admitted they intentionally benched the Hulk because they had no interest in the character, so its no secret anymore, they intentionally wasted the Hulk in both movies, and gave him the snap in Endgame just to give him something to do. The Hulk didn't have a single big action moment in either film, while the others got more than their share of glory. No Hulk fan alive was satisfied with just seeing him snap in the two biggest Marvel movies ever made, that did not cut it. There absolutely no excuse to not give the Hulk a big moment in one of the final showdowns. It was inexcusable.
17:43 See this what people misunderstand, audiences were emotionally impacted at the end of Infinty War because of the implications it meant for the characters and the universe and seeing their favorite characters suffer for their failure not because people genuinely believed they're permanently dead (alteast not most people).
Such a bold move to write a movie with billions of dollars hanging on it to end in a tragedy, then have the audience wait a long time, then have the 1st half of the next movie be all depressing set up. but it worked so well. good job guys
@JJ Broadcast the final fight was incredible for one and the characters were very compelling? The comedy was great and entertaining, and they gave the story good stakes. Why did _you_ enjoy it?
@@CabezasDePescado it's not a bad movie by any means, but its definitely disappointing if you're looking at what came before, there was just no way they could top infinity war, so of course endgame would never measure up.
I’ve watched almost every interview with these guys, I love their writing. So glad you made this video! I want them to release the Infinity War and Endgame scripts.
@JJ Broadcast I mean, you can like both. These guys are good writers, best in their genre, of course there are better screenplays out there, but it's not "wasting time" if you study these ones too. It's not like these are Bayformers or DCEU movies, the MCU, especially the ones written by these guys, usually have actual thought and heart put into them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 , you mean movies like Thor The Dark World, which was written by these two? Which was so bad, every major person involved in that movie said it wasn't good.
@@anutshell2426 Except that wasn't their baby, they've said it themselves. They were called in to do last minute script fixes, the majority of the script wasn't written by them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 yes, it was. They have the main credit for the screenplay along with other writer. Means they wrote the shooting script with plot points and dialogue. Putting blame on others for your mistakes is a cowardly thing.
"Its not when people die that is sad for the audience. Its when the people that are left behind have to react to it." *Shows Cap crying* Why do that to me..
Yea edit this, they started during Captain America: The First Avenger, and didn't write "everything". They wrote Captain America: The First Avenger, Winter Soldier, co-wrote dark world (tried to save it), Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame
Putting the Hawkeye's family disappearing scene in the beginning of Endgame was so smart. It put you right back when IW left while showing a new scene. It would've been really weird to just see Hawkeye at the end like this. These guys ara AMAZING !
I feel like the hardest part about being a writer to such a big franchise is knowing what’s going to happen in 2020 in 2015 and having to keep your mouth shut😂
I’m so glade they flat out said that captain marvel coming in and saving everyone is bad writing me and friends we’re wordy about that for almost a year
I knew better and you guys should have as well. While MCU made missteps in their early days, they were never going to blow the landing THAT badly, especially after they saw Justice League make that mistake with Superman.
That's true! What they did in Endgame was just a small tweak--This time, he was willing to sacrifice his future with his wife and little girl. To sacrifice getting to raise her and see her grow up, which is impactful in a different way
He's been willing since Iron Man 1 with making Pepper overload the big arc reactor with him on top of it. The differences are: this time it wasn't heat of the moment they gave him time to think about it, he had far more to live for than before, and it wasn't a risk or gamble-- he was absolutely definitely going to die. He was always a hero, but Endgame made him THE hero.
@Tommy gibstain You mean film snobs, actually, who, like that pack of incel comic nerds, are so desperate for status that they need some measure of reflected glory to have an identity. I find both groups singularly unimaginative and unimpressive, little better than groupies hoping for validation that's likely never coming.
I think WB will get it right the next time. I'm just glad they're letting film makers with a vision tell their stories with great characters (Reeves, Phillips etc)
@@skennedy1893 yeah the writing started to go downhill after season 4 and thet themes and meanings were kinda betrayed in the later ones. They started killing off characters for mere shock value or convenience rather than to push the story and characters forward.
I swear, how so many people still can't grasp why a movie might be slow in parts is infuriating. It's like they've never heard of character development or setting the mood. I think they're the kinds of people who would get the most enjoyment out of watching Transformers or some Fast and the furious movie.
WOW! What a tool to have access too for writing anything! Thanks to the writers for being so open and candid about their process, thanks to Vanity Fair for realizing how awesome this is to share with people. Just great!
Imo it is a couple of things, one in particular is the bad guy "wins", they weren't shy about ending on a sad note unlike most movies where the good guy prevails. Another is the pacing, for me, was perfect. Open with Thanos, beats up hulk, we go to earth, a little back story, and then boom we're in outer space and it just keeps going. Loved every second of IW
i think endgame felt like it missed a few scenes when ant man returned and in the creation of time travel, perhaps the time of the movie cut it, but that section seemed to miss a few tiny beats. Script still was top notch, far better than justice league ever was with an hour less of script needed. If we have only nitpicks it deserves to be at the top of the box office.
Yeah I feel like IW was perfectly paced tbh but endgame wasn’t as good pacing wise but had amazing character interactions which is what mad it so good for me
I love seeing them break down how the script is able to land. Not everyone watches it and considers how much planning needed to be made in order for the story to be so effective
I mean...wow! That was amazing and just makes me love and appreciate all the effort they put into this universe. I got chocked up as they were talking about getting chocked up and, maybe for the first time, began thinking about how each character felt seeing their best friend disintegrate into dust before their eyes. Yes, time travel is incredibly messy but that doesn't change the fact that Mr. McFeely and Mr. Markus gave us a film series like no other. Something that's never been done before and likely won't ever be done again, not even by Marvel/Disney.
It's a lot more complex than you might think. I'm an aspiring writer and let me tell you, I can totally understand that writing takes a lot of time, planning, and effort to do. -- A guy who likes to write and think.
What astounds me is the amount of attention the writers have gotten for this. Thats something you dont usually see with films. Most of the attention is usually on the directors or actors.
These are the guys Star Wars should've hired for the writing of the sequels. So thoroughly planned out. Absolute geniuses. These writers and moderators deserve so much credit. They made my whole decade so full of excitement ans anticipation for everything they had to put out! Cant wait for Black Widow soon!!!
I wish the regular Hollywood people would learn that one of the things that makes these Marvel movies so good is that the characters have real character arcs instead of being the same person in every movie.
Not biased on/against MCU. I'm script writer plus film fanatic. You guys nailed it with Avengers Endgame, like you guys nailed and paid off the past decade of MCU perfectly. Wasn't cheesy at all the call backs nothing was red conned even with the time travel everyone knew that's your only option/solution after infinity war. I and all like minded ppl agree, nothing ever will ever come close to being that perfect of cinema and joined storylines, the pay off to all of that, never again will that be achieved again, not even by marvel themselves
Completely agree, the best villain since Heath Ledger's Joker. Thanos is a villain who believes he is doing the greater good, doesn't lie and doesn't kill for the thrill but only when necessary. He has a wrapped sense of morality but he has a code and inspires loyalty in very powerful henchmen/henchwomen and most importantly he is 100% committed to a cause. He took it as an insult that the Avengers sought to undo what he was going to do. Basically saying, "they just don't get it. I have to do this." And on top of all that, he was extremely powerful. He was the best choice compared to Loki, Galactus, Dormamu, Magneto, Ego, Dr. Doom or any other Marvel villain. He will define what a great villain is for a generation.
Every actor has their "iconic" character. RDJ is Iron Man. Josh Brolin is Thanos. Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool. Huge Jackedman is Wolverine. Anthony Hopkins is Hannibal Lecter. Sometimes an actor and a role are made for each other.
big-budget movies usually do this. like for disaster world ending types, or time travel or futuristic ones. either for the screenwriter, worldbuilding or the sfx (cgi) department. it makes the experience better
Also I love that they have respect for Back to the Future. And they’re not stroking their egos with the time travel like they acknowledge that they didn’t wanna be patting themselves on the back. I’ve suddenly realised how much I respect these guys.
There has never been a movie series until the MCU that A lasted so long (incredible) and B CAPTIVATED the world. Every movie felt new and fleshed out with individual care. Which is why I love the MCU to this day :)
Infinity War is retroactively made better by Endgame. Spiderman being dusted really threw me off of Infinity War’s ending and only guaranteed that everything would be reset later. Endgame made that worth it though. Now that both are complete, I’d say Infinity War is the more dramatic, best of the MCU, but Endgame is the most satisfying. Like comparing Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi.
