Uber and Lyft could have avoided all this regulation and drama, if they had limited the number of sign ups in the beginning. Now they not only have to deal with regulation, they also have to deal with lawsuits left and right.
It was supposed to be a complimentary, occasional, travel same way ride sharing carpooling thing and I am still, even if I appreciated the convenience of this model now more, fundamentally still should be that I am with you and against regulation as they tend to always overdo it
Shut up you little snitch drivers or whoever they should get paid fair and square,what Uber spends on drivers to be on road it’s their car their resource from a to z they do a job get a share and that share needs to be fair what part of it you don’t understand ? Flexibility is more for Uber than for the drivers
A little bit weird to blame UBER/LYFT for having to follow city regulation. This is supply and demand, if there is too much supply you have to limit supply to be able to meet regulations.
@CasaManNL absolutely blames Uber & lyft because they are liars and manipulate the system and faking the data not pay the drivers according to TLC ,so offer and demand or supply that you mentioned it's wrong in this case and the case here is to follow the rules and regulations not to lie or scare drivers or using a advantage of a loopholes ,that's scams. I think you are not a driver so you don't understand the problem.
Taxis were never guaranteed a minimum wage, but their wages were sustained by limiting the number of cabs. Uber and Lyft are essentially trying to do the same thing, problem being, drivers are already dependent on their platform when they try to limit supply of drivers. So why not limit sign ups and kick out the lowest rated drivers? A right to a decent wage doesn't mean a right to be a ride hailing driver, just like I don't have a right to have the job I have.
wrong, uber and lyft are trying to maximize shareholder returns that's their board's fiduciary duty. they do that by taking a given trip and minimizing driver pay and maximizing passenger revenue - they can call added fees and all these other inputs on their basic math whatever they want, but this is fact. what you suggest will do nothing to ensure drivers make a living wage or that you pay less. c'mon dandiel, be smarter than that. smh
Are you serious, imagine with lockouts how much they have charged the customers with surge price. The consumer should sue them for created higher prices situations and charging them more.
The difficult thing with this situation is drivers want flexibility, a livable wage, and employee protections from an inherently anti-employee and unsustainable business model. Like trying to carve a home into the side of rock face.
Correct AV will take over and I have an exit plan for the drivers of the world , ppl weren’t meant to sit all day, definitely not on batteries from EV’s. The city wants to go full electric by 2030 , if I get heard I can have the drivers exited by that time.
I did uber & Lyft 7 years ago. I knew then it was more of a side hustle NOT a job replacement. It’s not guaranteed you’ll make anything. NY is one of the worse places to live if you’re not in finance
Uber/Lyft might have to limit or drop the "contract" driver portion of their business. Drivers want the autonomy of being self-employed with the security of an employee. Uber/Lyft might as well just hire drivers (and pay them fairly!) to cut down on all the extra drivers.
they were willing to work for less than the "minimum wage" and now with convoluted bureacracies in place they cant work at all. many such cases. great job everyone
If it’s harmful it’s human rights abuse and they all need to be investigated and taken to jail. The government officials are doing nothing and will do nothing about this because they’re paid by uber and lyft, they benefit from these kind of practices. Rideshare companies make a lot of money from drivers and riders but most of it goes to politicians. How do you think they have been able to get away with such illegal practices for a long time? The same goes for DoorDash and others in this category.
Rideshare needs FHV plates , similar to medallions , we are under the TLC (taxi limousine commission) and are considered car service and our base is Uber.
Lyft's 3rd party company, "Safety Holdings" out of New Mexico who do background checks. They told Lyft I had an issue with my license, that no other background checked flagged, and that I let my CDL go. I'm disabled and couldn't take my physical so I lost it till I can take a physical. You ask tho, why does CDL have anything to do with Lyft? It's been a year and a half now.
In late 2019 in NYC, TLC forced Uber and Lyft to utilize their drivers, meaning locking out drivers who weren't qualified to be exempt from the utilization law which Uber was against. It vanished during the lockdowns. Sometime last year, the tlc was considering bringing backnthat rule. It seems that the new TLC law requiring drivers get paid during idle time has gotten Uber and lyft to now lockout drivers by their own doing now. Very clever tactic by the tlc, it seems that they got what they wanted. Drivers were able to gross over 100k a year for driving an Uber, considering you out in the time. Thats a lot of $,to drive a cab. It is an expense to drive in NY though.
Rideshare and food delivery drivers should really be side gigs. Trying to depend on it as your main/sole source of income is setting up yourself for failure If regular companies are allowed to downsize and have layoffs, being temporarily locked out when literally anybody can just choose to drive is actually not that bad.
Agree outside of nyc but in NYC there is a lot of overhead investment costs being a FHV driver, that being said it’s not really optimal doing it just part time as the overhead would make it unworth it. Also on your second point, no one ever said they aren’t allowed to my lock out passengers , but just reporting what happened and how drivers were strung along , being fired is transparent and micro fired is an odd thing. Trust me no one wants this to be happening, it’s definitely in Ubers best interest to keep their drivers happy, less turn around is the best thing and happy drivers makes the platform work. Unfortunately if Uber is forced to raise the base card and pay drivers more then that means higher fares and will lower the demand so that not what anyone wants either , this industry will be taken over by AV as it should and my exit plan for drivers in the world is waiting for Elon Musk to talk to me about it 😊
@@clean280 For some reason we have people who would never do a specific job try and determine what someone else should make to do the job. The corporate bootlickin is pathetic lol
@@xFinesser23xno I’m not diminishing what people want to do for an honest days work, I am pro AV because I want to save over 40,000 lives a year from dying and countless other preventable injuries. Humans are human and being behind the wheel of a three thousand lb missile is not a great option. We live in a digital age and by not allowing progress and allowing AV we are KILLING and HURTING so many ppl. I love to drive and have a plan where everyone is a winner but it’s a long discussion and would love to be heard. 😊
This is also happening in Austin Texas they're not sending you a message that you're being shot out however you see the map with a high demand and you do not get any trips however you call customer service and they do not have a direct answer as of why this is happening and we're also having oversaturation of drivers due to people relocating from different states and also coming from different cities to work in Austin Texas specially during Main Events like ACL or SXSW.
That is correct, and I am a big proponent of AV. That being said in the interim we do want ppl to have less heartache and my exit plan for the drivers of this world is a vital part of humanity I think someone who has some power should ask me about, I would love to give a Ted talk if anyone is listening, Elon Musk please reach out I have a brilliant plan!
I don’t think people understand gig work. They break the system with regulations and then complain it doesn’t work anymore. The minimum wage law is what caused this. Now you can’t work all hours of the day, because Uber can only pay you when there are rides to give. It’s so obvious what the solution is, and yet people would prefer to push Uber out of business and lose the opportunity for flexible work, than accept that this work is just a gig and not a job.
would be nice if viewers understood that bloom is nearly ALWAYS looking at stories from the company's (aka wall street's perspective), not the employee/contractor NOR the customer. that's an inherent bias in many bloom stories.
Fundamentally shouldn't be full time and car sharing car pooling at convenience. I hate it to become a almost heavy reg and almost an rando post as some reg are considering.
Drivers want all of the benefits of independent work, and also the benefits of an employee relationship. NYC and the residents "gimme gimme gimme" mentality messed up by creating this min-wage law.
It's because we are "Independent Contractors" working without a contract. That's it, and until you fix that, nothing else matters they have reign to do whatever they want, create a new policy in their favor everyday, and nothing you can do because you have no contract...
Because New York City is also trying to satisfy the passengers paying a fare price and tourist love rideshare and blocking rideshare would be bad for the city. We want to give everyone what and that can happen. The government getting involved is not what you want. I would go the opposite way and keep government out of things it doesn’t need to be involved in.
@@ezraginsbergIt doesn't matter if the government steps in. Uber as a company is just not profitable. The plan was to breeze through until it reaches a virtual monopoly. You either have to pay drivers pennies, charge riders significantly more, or both. All roads lead to exploitation, no pun intended.
Wasn't the original purpose of the Uber and Lyft to be a side hustle basically for anyone who has a car? People made this their full time job for some reason, and then market became over saturated with drivers, Uber and Lyft have to comply with regulations.........I dunno maybe don't make this your full time job? lol like get an actual job.....
I think people are too short sighted and forgetting thr bigger picture. Just like assembky line workers, gig drivers are gojng to go extinct because obotaxi is the future. Demanding more pay only increase the need to speed up robro taxi development and adoption and earlier extinction. These people should using what little time they have left to Lear other skills and job. This is the same reason UAW is penny wise and pound foolish, hastening their own doom instead of helping worker learn new skills for the inevitable future.
Well, there were more to cover. And I think there a lack of studying the market. Obviously everyone has to have their own perspective to see the market. But there number of rides, number of drivers. Duration, prices, inflation, more FHV licenses, go green, omg there’s so many things which needs to study. More over for the journalists, she should have done her homework, she just cover one part. There are tons of things to take under consideration. Study hard guys.
It was supposed to be a complimentary, occasional, travel same way ride sharing carpooling thing and I am still, even if I appreciated the convenience of this model now more, fundamentally still should be that I am with you and against regulation as they tend to always overdo it
Uber was first to market for rideshare and because of that they are (deservingly) the king of the jungle with the most passengers and the most drivers and because that is true it will always be the best platform in the industry
Austin TX is a party city. Word got around and driver commute from Houston thinking they're getting that bread. No. They just saturate Austin with too many drivers. Wish they would enforce "vehicles registered in Harris, Beaumont, Montgomery, Waller, Galveston, Ft Bend Counties are prohibited from logging online in Austin metro
People need understand that this is not a real job. They never sign any typy of contract with the firm. This is not something you rely on for your living. And if you do so stupidity cannot be rewarded.
People need to understand this *is* a real job, just like any other gig work is. It may not be like a traditional job, but it is not up to you to define. Drivers work, they get paid. The contract is agreed to electronically.
@@markturner8597I agree what does “not a real job” even mean? Sitting in a fancy building and going to a meeting once a day , yeah okay , I’m sure that makes ppl feel tons of purpose , spare me the insults, I’ve been working since I was 14 and being a rideshare driver has brought me tons of purpose and happiness just like all the jobs I’ve had where I got things done. Not trying to knock anyone else just please don’t judge hard workers. Besides we are all brothers and sisters so we should all have each others back , I do agree that robots would do a better job at driving and will take over that’s why I would love to be heard about my exit plan for drivers 😊
it appears this video was sponsored by taxi cab owners whom want to squash Uber and Lyft. From what i understand the tax cab companies do not pay their drivers a minimum wage. they charge them large some to rent their taxi cabs. I hope if there is a lockout system that it gets resolved to the benefit of both uber and lyft, the uber and lyft drivers and the passengers. I know that i don't ride lyft as much since they started charging the extra fees. It made it hard to know exactly how much a ride would cost me. The final cost. And it was starting to get alot more expensive. I virtually never ride a taxit, ever. I think it is more than 15 or 20 years since i rode in one of those traditional taxi's. And it was usually something paid for by someone else and arranged by someone else.
See my previous reply’s, no this was an honest documentary about how the “little” guy , the drivers, had to be part of a bigger fight and the only one to blame is the city who broke their cap on the FHV plates which wasn’t part of the agreement uber made with them. When AV takes over things will be better for everyone, period.
For seemingly no reason? It's well known in the rideshare community that a large portion of the drivers are illegals using other peoples identity to work. There are tons of drivers who have multiple phones using multiple peoples identities, and as a driver myself, I cant tell you that a lot of the people sell their identities to these people willingly. As a driver myself I think these lockouts are great and if anything they don't do enough to prevent these people from abusing the system. The true problem with uber is not covering the cost for drivers when they are misled into going somewhere for a pickup or there being an error on their end as they leave the driver paying for the gas and wasting their time with absolutely no compensation. Do a little more research next time bloomberg, your journalists are very amateur these days.
What are you talking about?!? Maybe you are talking about food Delivery, but to drive humans in NYC which this is about, you have to be licensed and TLC licensed. We get drug tested every year, constant background checks, not to mention if we get pulled over by ANY authorities like MTA , NYPD ,TLC and DOT we agreed to wave our rights and they can search our car and we can not refuse drug and alcohol tests. Also we are randomly made to take selfies via the app to prove we are driving and not someone else, also passengers have a photo of us on their app and if we look different there’s about to be a load of trouble . It’s a huge penalty to allow anyone to use your TLC license and trust there are no illegals driving rideshare in NYC. That being said if you go fishing and the line breaks you lose a fish you don’t stop becoming fisherman. You just work on being a better fisherman. Uber has back up plans when people cancel trips that you get a cancellation fee. If you started driving after two minutes there are many things that what you are saying obviously shows that you don’t drive for Uber and Lyft at least not in New York City and don’t know how it works, please you should ask questions from a humble standpoint if you don’t know and definitely don’t put blame on anyone (maybe you are talking about delivery) especially Bloomberg reporting this story
@@ezraginsberg He’s actually right. I did Lyft until it got oversaturated with drivers, mostly foreigners. Go the and airport waiting lot and see for yourself
@@xFinesser23x while you're entitled to your own opinion, however misinformed, it's sad to see you blaming your fellow drivers. if you don't realize that in this game it's uber and lyft doing their best to maximize shareholder returns by maxing rider revenue and minimizing driver comp, i don't know you're a reasonable American. Cities are mostly (in the case of nyc) incompetent buffons making minor benefits for driver and/or riders while the companies try to blame them for any price hikes or reductions in driver pay. don't fall for it. see through the math. read the companies' 10-Q and 8-K reports.
If I was the CEO of uber right now I would attach cameras to the car form that outside and collect data to sell to Tesla or waymo this can generate a lot of revenue
The idea of a minimum wage can be misleading. In reality, the true minimum wage is zero-meaning unemployment. When governments set a minimum wage, businesses may have to cut jobs to afford higher wages. This is a basic principle of how capitalism works.
100 percent agree with you. Minimum wage hurts way more than it helps. It blocks entry level jobs and makes companies use robots. There is supply and demand and that’s how true value is made. No one in this country of capitalism is ever putting a gun to anyone’s head forcing them to agree to work for them, period.
@@xFinesser23x cooperate greed?? Uber lost billions for nine years until it just now made profit and helps millions make money and get around for a fare share , there is no “greed” this is business 101
minimum wage zero - only true if in that given jurisdiction there is no safety net for the unemployed worker (eg through unemployment insurance in many parts of the US and even better protections in other developed countries). And, in the US anyways, companies like uber and lyft have tried very hard to NOT pay into that social safety net by convincing everyone, shareholders, passengers, drivers, and city/county/state governments (in the US) that drivers should remain contractors for whom no contribution is made to social safety net and no payout is made when they don't have rides. and yet, the platforms do not allow drivers to control what they charge for rides. drivers may simply accept or decline ads. plenty of experiments now show that multiple drivers, under as identical circumstances as possible, are offered very different pay for EXACTLY the same ride. do you consider that fair when drivers have no insight into how much other driers are making on the exact same ride? and when passengers complain about surge fares or "surcharges" the companies claim "it's just demand" or "too few drivers" or "it's the city's fault for adding new regulation." It's all about driving shareholder value. A fully, and unregulated capitalistic system will not constrain what businesses can do to maximize shareholder return. Is that in the best interest of your society? Redo your math.
Autonomous vehicles will save 10ns of thousands of lives each year, eventually. It's a no brainer. Also, it gives people their time back.Also, a lot of people won't have to buy a car, Robotaxi will be so cheap. Think of the air pollution and the climate benefits. This has the ability to change the world as we know it. Also, i dont see the risk factor here. How much to build a factory for 1 small vehicle. The robotaxi pilot scheme with the + million car fleet should be running before they commit all that money. Also, a lot of the money is already spent on compute and development.
