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How Voting In Australia Works (and why Australian elections are the best in the world) 

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Australia has an upcoming federal election - but how does voting in Australia work? How do the votes get counted? How does Australia choose its prime minister? And why is Australia's electoral system one of the best in the world? Today, I discuss how Australia's government is organised, including a brief overview of the Westminster system. I also explain how preferential voting works and how it's counted, including counting the results from our own mock election that we recently held.
I think the way we vote is pretty cool! As you approach the polls, be prepared. Look into who your candidates and what their policies are, and remember: it's okay to change your mind.
00:00 - Australia has an upcoming election
01:07 - The Westminster system in Australia
05:06 - The Upper and Lower Houses
06:28 - Different Levels of Government in Australia
07:26 - Different Voting Systems
08:19 - An Example of First Past the Post
08:56 - Preferential Voting in Australia
14:56 - Conclusions
16:36 - Cute Dogs

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27 июл 2024

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@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Hey everyone, thanks for watching this video! I have a couple of corrections: - I referred to the Lower House as the Legislative Assembly, and the Upper House as the Legislative Council. This is not true for our Federal Parliament. I got my wires crossed (it's the names given in Victoria, the state where I live, but not the names given at a federal level). - It was a little unclear in this video, but parliament is made up of both Upper and Lower houses. - I skipped how the Senate (Upper House) votes are counted. For this video, it was intentional, but perhaps in a video for another time... Whilst still being preferential, the count is much more complex than the counting the the House of Representatives, which our mock election demonstrates. This is why we will have a fairly good idea of how our Lower House will be structures on election night (if not in the days following), but we won't know the Senate results for weeks after the election. I may end up remaking parts of this video so that it is more correct, but for now please accept my apologies for missing the mark on these points.
@ronnycook3569
@ronnycook3569 2 года назад
There's also the weirdness involved with the federal Senate only electing (roughly) half of its members at each Federal election
@no_rubbernecking
@no_rubbernecking 2 года назад
Here in the U.S., we do not have nationwide first-past-the-post voting and we never have. The voting method for members of Congress is entirely at the discretion of each state, and there's a pretty fair amount of diversity. Quite a few states do require a majority to be elected, and there's a small but increasing adoption of ranked-choice voting, though for congressional elections i believe it's only the state of Maine that's currently using this. But in several others there's a vocal movement in that direction. But runoffs are quite common, both for Congress and for lower offices. It's also worth noting that for President and Vice President, it is legal for states to use runoffs and/or ranked choice, however no state has yet chosen to do so for those offices. Please note also that when you say whoever gets the most votes for President is elected President, that is not true and anyone discussing our elections is making a huge mistake by suggesting it is. We choose members of the Electoral College state-by-state. When the college meets and casts votes, in many states they are not obligated to vote for their pledged candidates for President and Vice President. In those states, they can vote for anyone who's qualified, and the person does not even have to be officially running at that moment. Also, in the event that no name has a majority of 50 percent + 1 vote, the election of the President then passes to the House of Representatives, with one vote per state being counted and the only two candidates eligible are the top two vote-getters from the Electoral College vote. So that entire method is very hard to categorize with a simple name, but it's definitely far removed from your description in the video.
@ladymanners618
@ladymanners618 2 года назад
Don't forget that at state level not every state has an upper house, eg. QLD, when you cover that.
@vvmmuu
@vvmmuu 2 года назад
Voting is technically NOT compulsory! Two ways not to vote are, i. Don't register to vote. If you don't register you don't have to turn up to get your name ticked off. If you want to vote and you have turned 18 you have to register, once you have done that it is compulsory to turn up to get your name ticked off the roll. ii. If you have had your name ticked off the roll you only have to put the blank papers in their boxes...so you haven't voted. Ps. You can also do this by mail. ALL the best.
@glennpettersson9002
@glennpettersson9002 2 года назад
Great video👍 one clarification each state has the same number senators regardless of population because the senate is the states house. It prevents Victoria, NSW and Queensland from dominating the less populated states but because it is divided along party lines it has been compromised.
@michaelmaskell5363
@michaelmaskell5363 2 года назад
It would have been useful to point out that the election is run by the Australian Electoral Commission, an independent body free of party politics, by law ! And that they are highly regarded by voters.
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
An excellent suggestion!
@stuarthancock571
@stuarthancock571 2 года назад
Just in comparison, in the US state of Georgia, the Georgian Secretary of State office oversees the Georgia elections. Seems fair? Well the current Governor, Brian Kemp contested and won the 2018 Georgia election... Thing is, he was the Secretary of State overseeing his own election, in which he inadvertently suspended 53,000 voter registration applications a few weeks prior to the election. So whenever you hear an American puff their chest over democracy........
@vimzim8576
@vimzim8576 2 года назад
@@Thats_Pretty_Cool It is also interesting how they allocate funds to political parties and our election cycle is only a month, not the marathon it is over in the USA. I think it is a lot easier for independants to get elected here as opposed to other countries where the cost and scale is very prohibitive.
@rissolethrower2243
@rissolethrower2243 2 года назад
And the people that run this commission don't vote or have a pollical stance?
@michaelmaskell5363
@michaelmaskell5363 2 года назад
@@rissolethrower2243 They have the same obligation to vote as any other citizen ( note that all votes are by secret ballot ). The cannot belong to a political Party or endorse or help any candidate or party and must keep their political views private. ( not sure about that last one, but I have never known or heard of any political inclinations of commission staff )
@skyemiddletonx9006
@skyemiddletonx9006 2 года назад
Best quote I ever head about Australian elections, "We vote for ones we hate the least" Which feels very different to many other countries.
@afpwebworks
@afpwebworks 2 года назад
Good Lord I've lived in Australia since 1981 - over 40 years - and have never really understood this preferential system. for the first time, I understand why we have this expression "two party preferred", and why people say 'no vote is wasted'. Thank you!!!
@JustinWatson23
@JustinWatson23 2 года назад
People often get two party preferred mixed up as meaning only Liberal and Labor, but realy it is the result between the highest two vote getters after all the preferences are distributed. I think the election this year a few people kind of realised this, due to the number of independents winning. You can't waste a vote in a preferential system, which is why its so good.
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
@@JustinWatson23 Yep - in my electorate the 2 parties are Labor and the Greens. I used to scrutineer at elections, so I got to understand the system well
@Hollywood113807
@Hollywood113807 2 года назад
@@JustinWatson23 the preferences are also available to the parties which allows them to see who the people that had them as preferences voted for ahead of them and then they can tailor there policies to those people and try to turn them in to first preferences at the next election.
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 2 года назад
My electorate of Gilmore was the closest and last to be called. The Labor candidate won by 373 votes out of a total of 111,705 votes.
@jurgentreue1200
@jurgentreue1200 2 года назад
Didn't Andrew Constance request a recount that was rejected by the AEC? I live next door in Whitlam.
@reneepope-munro8115
@reneepope-munro8115 2 года назад
This explainer is exactly why I say they’ll pry compulsory voting (and to a lesser extent preferential voting) from my cold dead hands.
@triarb5790
@triarb5790 2 года назад
You forgot something critical about our democratic elections. The AEC and the fact it is a completely independent body that runs the election process. Thus ensuring that our elections are uncorruptable. That actually matters the most and is different to many countries.
@captainl-ron4068
@captainl-ron4068 2 года назад
Mandatory Voting under duress make the entire thing a joke.
@MyPancakeMan
@MyPancakeMan 2 года назад
You don't have to vote you just have to show up.
@robslaney3729
@robslaney3729 2 года назад
@@captainl-ron4068 There is no duress. No one knows who you vote for so it's truely 1 person 1 vote. Non-compulsory voting allows all sorts of crap to disenfranchise voters - that is duress
@shaneparfitt77
@shaneparfitt77 2 года назад
@@captainl-ron4068 yeah. Rights and responsibilities of being a citizen of this freaking awesome country are a pain in the arse hey. No one minds the great stuff, but ask a simple thing in return, once every cpl years, for all the good it achieves, and it’s “under duress”. Suck it up princess, everyone has to do it, it’s 100% fair that way, it’s inclusive so just do your civic duty, then hit the beach and reflect on how bloody good this country is, largely because of our government system that just forced you to vote.
@captainl-ron4068
@captainl-ron4068 2 года назад
@@shaneparfitt77 rights? We are still talking about prison island? Or did you get confused and start describing somewhere where the people have actual rights? Covid and the ridiculous reaction to it has made it clearer than ever that this little backwater isn’t ready for independence and probably never was....either London or Washington should act and restore some actual civilisation to this strange little granny-flat out the back of the planet.
@corinnecowper1339
@corinnecowper1339 2 года назад
This should be made compulsory viewing - some countries have the most ridiculous voting systems and it leads to violence. Not here, the most contentious issue on polling day is to decide which cake or sausage sizzle to choose from the school or church where your polling booth is located. I like it like that.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Like the US their system needs to be scraped and rebuilt, you get the govt you deserve, when you think everything about your country is the Greatest in the world.
@CQuinnLady
@CQuinnLady 2 года назад
Democracy sausage rocks!
@brettkajar9516
@brettkajar9516 2 года назад
I would argue strongly that we have the best democracy in the world! You might think that is arrogant but let me explain why. (1) Compulsory voting means everyone participates, this has two benefits, everyone has a say so new governments can honestly claim a mandate and just as importantly both sides of politics (progressive and conservative) generally chase the middle ground which means the lunatics are weeded out of the system (we have had extremists elected but they rarely last long). (2) The Australian Electoral Commission is a masterstroke, running elections impartially, efficiently and effectively with bi-partisan support. Once you turn 18, you are automatically enrolled. (3) Elections on Saturdays makes it easier to vote plus postal voting, pre-polling centres means we get 97% effective vote unlike a certain democracy that likes to make greatness claims but chooses to make it harder to vote and disenfranchises poor people. (4) Preferential Voting means the majority can live with the choice of policies. (5) Time and Cost, we have election campaigns that run between 4-6 weeks maximum, this reduces costs and focuses the voters on the capabilities of the incumbents and identifies if the challengers are ready to govern. By and large we have had good, honest government for more than 100 years and while everyone still complains (humans are never completely unless they are - LOL) about the government of the day, our system is far superior to every other.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
5 mins watching the US makes you so grateful for our System, their biggest issue is they know nothing outside own country, because for some reason equate Wealth and largest Military to being greatest at everything and being so have nothing to learn from other countries. US system is what stopped Republic Referendum passing, Practical and Sensible Aussies looked at US and other countries saw the Mess and said Hell no just like Canada did. There was no clear way for replacing the GG, without ending up with situation like having President type position as head who would cause division due to choosing person is Popularity Contest and Position would Accumulate Powers no matter what original intention was..
@blueycarlton
@blueycarlton 2 года назад
@@sandrarobinson3266 John Howard the PM at the time fixed the referendum in such a way so it would fail. They should have asked just one question, Do you want an Australian as the head of State? yes or no. If the answer is yes, then a committee formed of people from all walks of life to investigate the options. Then a number of options put to the people to be voted on such as, Elected head of state, voted on by everyone. Appointed by the PM, as the Queen's representative the Governor General is now appointed. Appointed by a vote of members of the House Of Representatives. There are probably other ways. The "president" should have exactly the same powers as the Governor-General.
@chaosPneumatic
@chaosPneumatic 2 года назад
@@sandrarobinson3266 The US Presidential elections suck because of the electoral college and the president has too much power, not because republics themselves are bad. If Australia became a republic, it could choose a much better system like that of Ireland: a purely ceremonial head of state elected through Instant Run-Off voting, just like Australia's parliament. There are much better models for republics than America these days. America's model is just outdated.
@OldFellaDave
@OldFellaDave 2 года назад
You aren't 'automatically enrolled at 18'. You have to fill out a form and send it in to get onto the Electoral Roll. Some people don't.
@melissamarsh2219
@melissamarsh2219 2 года назад
@@OldFellaDave and they get found
@Cacharias
@Cacharias 2 года назад
This was, overall, the best explanation of the Australian parliamentary system that I have seen on RU-vid. Well done.
@brendanpaterson5635
@brendanpaterson5635 2 года назад
Just a couple of things: 1. At the Federal level, the Lower House is the House of Representatives (not the Legislative Assembly) 2. Bills (potential legislation) can originate in either the House of Reps or the Senate - it's not just a Lower House issue
@chrisnewman7281
@chrisnewman7281 2 года назад
The legislative assembly generally is a state government construct and also applies in the Australian territories
@becsterbrisbane6275
@becsterbrisbane6275 2 года назад
I'm in Voldermort's electorate, and worked both the actual day & counting after 6pm. Once preferences were done in my 1 booth there was only a difference of 20 votes difference between Voldermort & Ali France, it was pretty crazy! Also: you missed- the role of the AEC, democracy sausages & hung parliaments!
@glenmale1748
@glenmale1748 2 года назад
That was very misleading. Ali didn't lose to Voldermort, she lost to Mr Potato Head. I also live in his electorate and you can probably tell who I voted for.
@cyrano234
@cyrano234 2 года назад
Preferential voting also means we can avoid the spoiler effect. This means we can vote 1 for new or smaller parties and if they don't make it then our vote flow to our preferred larger party.
@rudgey02
@rudgey02 2 года назад
Best explanation of preferential voting I've ever seen. Great job Scott. Let the dogs rule!
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thanks Dan! I appreciate the kind words 🐕
@margaretcassidy7830
@margaretcassidy7830 2 года назад
I would rather have cats rule. That is what my 5 kitties want. Mr.Tabby, Grace Kelly , Jada , Missy and Ana all agree on.
@tom_curtis
@tom_curtis 2 года назад
@@margaretcassidy7830, one cat, one vote!!
@margaretcassidy7830
@margaretcassidy7830 2 года назад
@@tom_curtis I have 5 kitties, 5 votes
@normandiebryant6989
@normandiebryant6989 2 года назад
Carn the Preying Mantices!
@brightonbabe2139
@brightonbabe2139 2 года назад
At our high school, we did all school voting - captains and prefects using the preferential system which was a marvellous education. Having lived in both America and the UK, I do prefer the Australian system. While it can be messy at times, we do not endower our Prime Minister with king like powers, they can be dismissed and they are voted in by people that they work with and not by people who can get conned. However the analogy falls over with Boris in the UK. The real difference is that 97% of citizens vote, and although there is a high percentage of voting the party ticket, there are also good examples when we don't. The preferencial voting ensures the least disliked candidate is voted in. Also, the voting does not get announced (or I think even counted) until the polls in WA are closed so there is no tainting of the later voters to think their vote doesn't matter. Also voting is on a weekend, when more people are able to vote, and we can vote somewhere else than our own electorate. So everything in Australia is to encourage a vote not restrict it.
@PandaKnight52
@PandaKnight52 2 года назад
It does get counted before WA Polls close but usually none are declared until after WA polls have closed due to the amount of votes in total.
@davidstokes8441
@davidstokes8441 2 года назад
Your explanation is gold. I worked on many small remote communities with majority Aboriginal residents. Explaining voting and our system of government was a regular role for me. This little video would have made life a lot easier for me and those others in the same game.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Travelled to many over the years with AEC as Rep for Candidates, was tough going this year Helicopter kept breaking down, some more Bone Crunching drives.
@davidstokes8441
@davidstokes8441 2 года назад
Sandra, I worked as a team leader on mobile booths around the NT - great fun
@SinzPet-
@SinzPet- 2 года назад
I actually wish we had a similar thing here in Sweden I often find myself struggling with which party to vote for, some of my favorites are basically so small thet they either dont qualify for government or are on the risk of not qualifying and since i dont want my vote to be wasted, i'm feeling a bit forced to maybe vote for a bigger party... Sacrificing what i'd truly want 😕
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 2 года назад
yeh, so glad we don't have that situation here in Australia, must be so frustrating! Look into our "voices for" movement though, cause that's something that, while made easier by preferential voting, is still possible to use without it, especially if one of the major parties will play along by not standing. "Voices for Indi" was the first one here & it turned the safest seat in the country from Liberal to Independent, by the community selecting their own, grass roots, independent candidate & campaigning for her at a local level. We put 16 independents in this election just past, the vast majority of them in seats considered "safe", where constituents felt like they were taken for granted & wanted genuine representation of their views
@samsam21amb
@samsam21amb Месяц назад
under our system its impossible to waste your vote because you can vote how ever you want and your favorite larger party will eventually end up getting your vote.
@ladymanners618
@ladymanners618 2 года назад
That was very well explained for those who needed an explanation or a brush up. Well done.
@dawggonevidz9140
@dawggonevidz9140 2 года назад
You've done a great job of condensing and simplifying our rather complicated electoral system and I'm sure lot of teachers are going to be stoked to find this. I think you're the perfect candidate to do a video on how our ballot papers work, what happens when you go to a polling place and how preferential voting looks on the ballot paper as distinct from and compared to voting the way a 'how to vote' card tells you. Thanks for this great resource.
@Kuro_Reaper
@Kuro_Reaper 2 года назад
Probably the best and easiest way of explaining the election tbh! :)
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thank you for the kind words!
@ginalou5774
@ginalou5774 2 года назад
This was fantastic. Thank you. I think this would be amazing for primary kids who are learning about parliamentary processes. Well done
@DavidGreen_au
@DavidGreen_au Год назад
That was a great explanation of the mechanics of preferential voting. I knew we had it, but I was totally unaware of how it worked.
@markhill9275
@markhill9275 2 года назад
One thingi haven't seen mentioned here, voting in Aus is compulsory! You can be fined for failing to vote. Absolutely the best and correct way, so you don't get one group dominating.
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 2 года назад
it's secret ballot, so it can't be compulsory! Only thing compulsory is to take the time to get your name marked off & put a ballot paper into a box & therefore have it take no additional effort to choose to vote. People can absolutely put a blank ballot in the box if they want to though, or draw teh traditional duck & balls onto it without voting
@markhill9275
@markhill9275 2 года назад
@@mehere8038 You silly person, if your name isn't marked off the voting roll you get fined! You are playing stupid semantics! You have to vote, get marked off, what you do with that vote is your business, but you have still cast a vote, even if it is a donkey vote, so yes, it is absolutely compulsory. You lose dropkick!
@peewii4326
@peewii4326 2 года назад
This was really good…thanks mate!
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thanks for the kind words ☺️
@RolandjHearn
@RolandjHearn 2 года назад
I think this was a great video. I donn't want what I am about to say take away from that. I do think, however, your representation of the "dismissal" allowed for plenty of room for misunderstanding. The LIB/Nats had control of the senate and Labor the house of representatives. There was 18 months of blocked bills meaning no actual governing was happening. The blocking of supply meant that there was no money to govern. Whether or not these tactics were valid is not really the point. There was no effective government in this environment. The many great things Labor had achieved became impossible to follow up. In those circumstances it is reliant on the Prime Minister to call for a double disillusion. This was not done, and this is what everyone forgets. The right way to move in our system is for the Prime Minister to act first recognising that the government of the country is not actually happening. Eventually, after checking with the Chief Justice of the High Court as to options and legality, he, the Governor General, dismissed the government so that, and this is absolutely essential because it lies at the heart of our democracy, the people could decide. The Governor General did ask the Lib/Nat's to form a caretaker government, there were not a lot of other options, but an election was called within one month. When the people got the chance they voted in a landslide to reject the previous government. Now time would tell that the people became pretty disillusioned with the result. But, I believe, Australia entered one of its most effective, IMHO, periods of governance, never since then allowing one party to stay in power for too long. I think our democracy grew of age and became robust during those days in a way that it would not without it. So your representation that the GG kicked out one party and put in another is short of representing the full truth, it only effectively reveals the time immediately around the events and not the truth that the people ultimately decided. I think there is good evidence that our system actually worked and got stronger.
@Mirrorgirl492
@Mirrorgirl492 2 года назад
Thank you for saving me from having to type this clarification. The GG did not install an illegitimate Government, he dissolved parliament, installed a care-taker and a General Election was called. The Australian people voted in a landslide for the Fraser Government (which turned out not so good eg The razor Gang), but it was entirely democratic. Oh, and I say this as a Labor voter.
@lasentinal
@lasentinal 2 года назад
The dismissal came about because of the death of a Labor Senator from Queensland. He was replaced by a non Labor Senator by the government of Queensland simply to be disruptive. After this, the Constitution was amended, by a referendum in 1977, so that this could not happen again.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Let us not forget that Uncle Rupert and Fraser were meeting in secret and decided to move to this solution, before Whitlam had chance to Act.
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
Well put
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 2 года назад
nailed it! It was a temporary action while a new election was organised & happened, with that being done as fast as humanly possible (while still ensuring it's integrity) Also interesting to note that a letter the GG sent to the Queen about it has been released in recent years, in which he was advising the Queen of what he had done & that he didn't discuss it with her before dismissing the government, so as to not put her in a position of having to make the call as he felt that was unfair on her. This video says that the Queen appoints the GG, which may be technically right, but in reality, it is the Australian government who decide who it will be & tells teh Queen their decision & she just rubber stamps whoever they have selected & to my knowledge there's never been any dispute between the parties as to who it should be, it's always been an Australian citizen that both sides of politics respect & support for the position. Also of note on this, a search for who is the head of state for Australia brings up, as it's second result "Australian head of state dispute" wiiki article, explaining our constitution doesn't specify who it is & there is a dispute over if it is in fact the Monarch or the GG, so I'd suggest that this stuff is also relevant. It wasn't the Queen in a far away land deciding to replace the elected government with the other side, it was an Australian, on the ground & appointed by both sides of politics to do this oversight job, that was the one to make the call (maybe with some foreign interference from the US or UK spy agencies & other secretive figures, depending on who you ask). Whatever the case, it's unlikely it would ever happen again, it's occurrence has lead to a much more effective government ever since & a much more politically educated population who take their freedom & democracy seriously & understand the need to be ready to fight to defend it, never take it for granted. Very different situation to one in a place like, say, the US, where government shutdowns are the norm. That never happens here, cause when it got close to occurring, the dismissal was the result
@JamesSmith-sg4qu
@JamesSmith-sg4qu 2 года назад
Great video, very clear an informative and spoken in lay terms. Well done
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thank you kindly!
@Babayaga-pf5dt
@Babayaga-pf5dt 2 года назад
Great work bud, very clearly explained. Subbed
@suevalastro9591
@suevalastro9591 2 года назад
Wow that explains our voting system perfectly! Well done Scott
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thank you very much ☺️
@DrTomatoClock
@DrTomatoClock 2 года назад
Very helpful! Thank you!
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thanks for the kind words!
@katydid5354
@katydid5354 2 года назад
Plus most of us don't cry foul when a big baby loses. Accepting the results is imperative rather than confusing conspiracy theories, from within the echo chamber of social media, with facts.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
We also chill and wait was the full two week wait for our Electorate as vote was too close to call.
@TheOneWhoMightBe
@TheOneWhoMightBe 2 года назад
@@sandrarobinson3266 And when there's a stuff-up in the counting (eg WA a few years back) we have a pre-defined system to investigate and correct the mistake/s. None of this 'refusing to certify the results because I have feels' nonsense we see from a certain heavyweight country.
@captainl-ron4068
@captainl-ron4068 2 года назад
Is this barb aimed at Al Gore? or Hillary Clinton?
@TheOneWhoMightBe
@TheOneWhoMightBe 2 года назад
@@captainl-ron4068 Trump.
@captainl-ron4068
@captainl-ron4068 2 года назад
@@TheOneWhoMightBe so you were making a feels based attack against ‘the man the teevee said was Bad!’ rather than an honest point. My mistake, shouldn’t have bothered you kiddo.
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290 2 года назад
As an Aussie I have to say well bloody done Mate! An illuminating, not to mention humorous explanation (I'd have voted for dogs btw - we own a Goldie) of the Aussie voting system!
@deaconmacdonald2570
@deaconmacdonald2570 2 года назад
one thing i think is extremely important to our system but is overlooked by most is the fact that our electorates are based off of number of electors and not number of citizens or just population
@neilfromdownunder9204
@neilfromdownunder9204 2 года назад
One thing you didn't mention in the counting of votes is that each candidate can have a scrutineer to watch the counting of the votes to make sure that each ballot is valid & added to it's first preference count & then scrutineer that the preferences are sorted correctly too. Once the booth count & preferences of all the HoR votes in that booth are counted the numbers are rang through to each state party head office by the scrutineers to be added to that electorate count accordingly.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
*Compulsory Voting is the essential ingredient that makes our Preferential System truly representative* Without compulsory voting this system would go from sublime success to abject mediocrity. In fact, seems to me that regardless of what ever form your Democratic system takes, it would benefit immensely from Compulsory Voting, particularly as we do it here in Oz.
@silentimage5196
@silentimage5196 2 года назад
I strongly disagree. In my lay opinion, it is the compulsory (attendance) element of our system that is its greatest weakness. @Rodney Marsden comment mentioned "...for most Australians it boiled down to either Labor or Liberal and there are Australians that are heartily sick of it...". which seems to explain the increasing number of politically apathetic citizens.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
@@silentimage5196 Utter nonsense! Firstly, with compulsory voting you sample the *entire population* (or very close to it) and thus a representative result is guaranteed - or put in terms other democracies may better understand: a non-representative result is assured to be avoided. Secondly, Labor or Liberals getting most of the votes is a free choice made by the electors. There is no shortage of alternatives such as the Green, UAP, One Nation, and a host of independents. In fact at the last election we saw electors exercise this free choice when they elected the independent Monique Ryan in the safe Blue seat of Kooyong, ousting the current Treasurer Josh Freidenberg. Clearly, (and according to polls) the Kooyong electorate were "heartily sick" of the Liberal's inaction of key issues such as climate change and so they voted for dramatic change. And similar thing happened in safe Liberal seat of Higgins where *Labor won for the first time* Even in safe rural seats such as Griffith the encumbent Nationals lost, in this case to the Greens. What's happening in Australia sounds like the complete opposite to the nonsense you claim about political apathy and compulsory Voting being a weakness. Perhaps if you understand the lay-ness of your opinion you shouldn't be so strong with your disagreements.
@rhonafenwick5643
@rhonafenwick5643 2 года назад
@@silentimage5196 No. Voluntary voting breeds two-party systems even more effectively than instant-runoff voting does. Despite the increasing political apathy, we're also seeing major increases in representation for the minor parties in the face of the two-party dominance, and the strength of those minor parties would vanish in the face of voluntary voting
@masc6287
@masc6287 2 года назад
My argument against Compulsory voting is that it leads to more Donkey votes due to apathetic voters or those who are not political and are unaware or haven't studied what has taken place in politics, thus making uninformed votes while a non-compulsory system leads to a turnout of voters who care that have taken the time to understand and/or their candidates as they know how the current political situation is affecting them. It also leads those who are negatively impacted by policymakers to show up at the election and vote for the candidate that will address the problem, who may have not been selected in a compulsory voting election due to donkey votes or uniformed or apathetic voters choosing based on name recognition.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
@@masc6287 Firstly, I think your concern about Donkey Votes is an example of being "Penny Wise, Pound Foolish" - that is to say: you're concerned about the 1% whilst ignoring the 20-40%: - In Australian where voting is compulsory, voter turn out is typically well above 92%. And it is estimated that Donkey votes represent around 1-2%. - In contrast, Democracies where voting is not compulsory, voter turn out for elections is typically in the ranges of 50-70% So clearly, even if we assume there are no Donkey Votes in the later type of election, elections with compulsory voting still have a clear and enormous benefit for any Democracy that wishes to describe itself as truly representative. Additionally it needs to be noted that the Australian experience with compulsory voting is quite opposite to what you describe - Voting in Australia is a treasured and celebrated institution perhaps because it is done so sensibly - elections are always on a Saturday, there are always so many places to vote you're in an out relatively quickly (depending on whether or not you stop to get your "Democracy sausage" from the BBQ on the way out.) There are many pre-polling places open prior to election day. There is mail in voting of course, and all sorts of other forms of assistance that it is all made so easy and convenient. Election day in Australia has developed into a festive day within Australian culture. And Australians have come to understand the importance of voting as a necessary civic duty to strengthen their Democracy and keep their government on track to reflect Australian values and expectations. And to understand the monumental success of Australia you only have to look at our health care system and the way the the country responded to the Port Arthur massacre in 1996 i which over 30 people were killed. The Conservative Government of the day, with by-partisan support, took a mere *3 months* to enact legislation that banned automatic and semi-automatic weapons, increase other regulations surrounding gun ownership and implement a gun buy-back scheme that removed over 650,000 guns from the community......and Australia has not has any gun massacres since. Sorry, but compulsory voting should be feature of all Democracies - a civic duty like paying your taxes, jury duty and abiding by the road rules.
@DaveWhoa
@DaveWhoa 2 года назад
they're the best in the world because you can buy a snag/hotdog from the sausage sizzle out the front of your local school to support their Parents & Citizens Committee
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Democracy sausages are certainly a bonus to our elections!
@DaveWhoa
@DaveWhoa 2 года назад
@@Thats_Pretty_Cool they're the only reason i go to vote (politicians never give me much incentive .... but a BBQ snag with onions, IM THERE)
@shinjisan2015
@shinjisan2015 2 года назад
A good side-effect of our two-party preferred system is the two "major parties" get great analytics of how citizens actually voted. Even though a minor party may not have won, the percentage of vote swing in a particular direction really shows how that electorate population is thinking and reacting to politics. They may have shown growing support to an independent or a climate change advocate. Even though Labor won, there was a swing AWAY from them nation wide. Hopefully they take notice of why there was a swing and act on it.
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 2 года назад
agreed! At least that's how it works in theory. I was in Joe Hockey's electorate many, many years ago, when Pauline Hanson was doing well with her anti-asian carry on, when I went to the polls, there was a party called "unity" campaigning against that & offering an alternative. I put them 1 to show my disgust in the racism the Liberal party was engaged in & then Labor second as a further protest against that racism & also against Joe, cause he was a total duckhead! (I had Gladys at a state level & boy was there a contrast between those 2! I'd happily vote for her, but NEVER for Joe!) Anyway, dumb joe apparently threw a tantrum that night at his event, cause Unity took a significant chunk of the vote & scared him, but Joe was always too stupid to actually learn from stuff like that, he decided all the votes Unity got were from Asians who didn't speak English & had been tricked into voting for them, so nothing he had to learn from it! Note that his seat was a highly affluent one & you'd have a VERY hard time finding an Asian in Chatswood that doesn't have perfect English skills! & I'm not Asian either btw & I knew numerous other white Aussies that voted for Unity for the same reasons I did. That party did actually get a significant minor party vote taht year though, so as a result of that, the LIberal Party did actually take note & recognise that their heartland weren't actually ok with living in a racist Australia. Minor parties are absolutely a great way of sending messages imo! Plus, every number 1 vote is worth a few dollars to whoever gets it, so I always bear that in mind & deny it to those I don't want getting campaign money & give it to those I do want to get that money. The Euthanasia party was another party I often gave a number 1 vote to when they existed, for this reason :). 1 to them, 2 to a statement based small party, then 3 or 4 would be my real vote
@techo61
@techo61 2 года назад
While it was mentioned that voting was compulsory, this is key to a true democracy. Unlike the US (just to pick an example) the elected government of Australia knows it has the popular support of the people, no matter how the lobby groups or self interested industries try to push for a particular outcome. In countries like the US where voting is not mandatory, the government is at the mercy of the lobby groups, major industries or whom ever can drive the money (ie number of voters) at the next election. The outcome of mandatory voting is we have a government prepared to make bold and sometimes confronting decisions (confronting to some sectors of the community) for the betterment of society on the whole. Know you might understand why the US is in such political turmoil these days.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
Yes, I think mandatory voting has it's value in ensuring the collective wisdom of a population is reflected in their Government and an elected government is given a mandate to be bold if bold policies is what they campaigned on. This was quite evident in the recent Federal election where we saw the Coalition ejected because (broadly speaking) Australian voters were dissatisfied with the government's efforts in key areas such as climate change - something which Australians understand is pressing and urgent. If there was compulsory voting in America then perhaps the issue of gun control for instance, which is support by the vast majority of Americans from all sides of government, might have been resolved by now, in favour of what the majority of American people want rather than what the Corporations want.
@patrickkhaw2547
@patrickkhaw2547 2 года назад
Actually, the law requires eligible voters to rock up to their polling station and get their names crossed off on an electoral roll. They don't actually have to vote and can leave the ballots blank or even write rubbish on them. But if they do that they cannot then say that they didn't have a part in choosing the government that is elected. Not voting is voting not to choose.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
@@patrickkhaw2547 Actual, you're wrong! It's more than just getting you're name crossed off the electoral roll: "Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, *receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box* ." "On a related matter, it is also an offence under the Electoral Act to remove a ballot paper from a polling place." source : www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/publications/voting/ So, placing your ballot into a ballot box (voting) is actually compulsory in Australia. Yes, there is wiggle room in this process about the marks (or lack there-of) you place on the ballot - because your vote is confidential, your ballot cannot be checked by any official whilst the ballot can still be identified as yours, thus an informal vote can be cast.....but it's still a vote as it shapes the final result of the election. I don't know if too many informal voters realise the silliness of informal voting - it's an act of foregoing your civic duty in making a choice of who will represent you - a choice which is consequently appropriated by those voters who do cast a valid votes. And at the end of the day, the sensible voters end up making a choice on behalf of not only themselves but also the informal voter. It's a bit like being really hungry on the night when you go out in a big group to try a new restaurant. You look at the menu and think you don't like anything on offer so you choose to order nothing. In the end you're therefore compelled to eat from the dishes others in the group chosen rather than perhaps trying the dish which sound least worst to you on the menu.
@garrymercer757
@garrymercer757 2 года назад
Ive been saying this for years. If you dont have compulsory voting you dont have a democracy. The reason for this is without compulsory voting the entire system slowly corrupts until you first get powerful lobby groups until the only people who can run for office are billionaire dummy representatives of corporations which also include religions as that is what they are
@patrickkhaw2547
@patrickkhaw2547 2 года назад
@@gladishilton1943 Thank you for the clarification. :)
@hart-of-gold
@hart-of-gold 2 года назад
Some further detail to the method of counting in practice. The first preferences are counted because the canditate wins a small price (a few dollars, usually goes to the party) for each first vote. After that there's usually only 2-3 major canditates from about 5-7 total. Any canditate who couldn't win with all the votes of canditates with fewer votes is eliminated, and the remaining preference votes distributed. The whole process usually takes only 2, or in a few cases 3 steps. If the major canditates are known beforehand, (which is almost all cases, the last election being an outlayer with the number of independents winning large shares) the preferred count is done a the same time as the first preference count for minor canditate's votes.
@gmorgan29
@gmorgan29 2 года назад
voting is NOT compulsory . attendance and being checked on the voting roll is
@fidomusic
@fidomusic 2 года назад
Many non-Australians who I have spoken to about this complain they shouldn't be forced to vote. You don't have to vote. And in particular, you don't have to vote for a candidate or a political party. You just have to do the act of going to vote. You can spoil your ballot of whatever.
@ForTheBirbs
@ForTheBirbs 2 года назад
Very nicely explained
@alwenawillis8813
@alwenawillis8813 2 года назад
Thank you, a good explanation!
@peteratkinson8957
@peteratkinson8957 Год назад
This video is great and should be compulsory yearly viewing for every Australian once they reach the age of ten. Many Australians don't understand our governance or the preferential voting system. Most people just follow the 'how to vote' propaganda handed out by the political parties. The major parties don't want voters to understand how the system works; this is how they stay in power. Democracy is a precious thing. It is the responsibilty of every citizen to preserve their freedoms and not be conned by politicians. Those who blindly vote the same party every time show they are not intelligent enough to examine the issues. You should vote for those who offer the best outcomes for everyone in the country and not just the ones who will benefit you. It's not just about YOU.
@Houseplantpixie
@Houseplantpixie 2 года назад
Great video 👌thank you
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thank’s Monique! ☺️
@Arch5280
@Arch5280 2 года назад
Nice. However, when nobody initially gets a majority, and a candidate is eliminated, it is worth spending a little more time emphasizing that you're now distributing according to the second preference (of those whose favorite was eliminated)! This is very, very important from a pedagogical point of view, since it is not something that American audiences, say, are accustomed to.
@francisbalfour1243
@francisbalfour1243 2 года назад
I'm from aus and even i wasn't sure untill kangaroo was elimited that they were being redistributed to their no2 preference as it wasn't stated when mosquito was eliminated, so for sure I can see Americans getting confused as to why they're being distributed where they are going
@CQuinnLady
@CQuinnLady 2 года назад
@@francisbalfour1243 Funny but I understood perfectly what he was saying. Remove the lowest, redistribute according the count... 1st count initial, remove the lowest then redistribute to 2nd pref on the card. Again remove lowest and redistribute to 3rd pref on the card and so on till there is 21 seats reached.
@code25010
@code25010 2 года назад
It's actually redistributed to the next highest ranking preference that has not been eliminated from how I understand it, not simply 'the second preference'. This of course would be the second preference for the first round of redistribution, but there are typically several rounds before there is a clear winner and its possible you are using a persons second or eleventh preference (as examples) depending on when their higher preferences were eliminated.
@Arch5280
@Arch5280 2 года назад
@@code25010 : I think you are making this needlessly confusing, perhaps with the motive of entertaining us!
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 2 года назад
actually our system changed some years ago & this is no longer how it works. It is now "instant run off", NOT preferential that is used, so top 2 are established from the first round of counting & then ALL other votes are immediately distributed to whichever of the top 2 they put highest on their ballot. Third place can no longer win the election, only first or second place after the first round of counting are able to win
@peritapugnandi6624
@peritapugnandi6624 2 года назад
Fascinating! Didn‘t know!
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Isn’t it wonderful to learn new things 😋 I think it’s pretty cool
@sarahcourtney8066
@sarahcourtney8066 Год назад
After 60 years in Australia, the mystery of preferential voting is explained! And the dog won, yay! Thanks for this enlightening video, cheers!
@boitmecklyn4995
@boitmecklyn4995 2 года назад
great explainer!
@michaelmichael2341
@michaelmichael2341 Год назад
Thank you it the first time someone has explain the Australian voting system
@Aabergm
@Aabergm 2 года назад
Excellent representation of Australian elections, also Left handers represent. :D
@KittykatOz
@KittykatOz 2 года назад
Great explanation of our system, but you forget the best bits! Voting on a Saturday and Democracy sandwich!!
@skwervin1
@skwervin1 2 года назад
Excellent work
@OldFellaDave
@OldFellaDave 2 года назад
You missed the best part of our Democracy/Elections - they are held on a Saturday, most Public Schools are a Polling Booth, so easy to find and close to home for most people, it takes all of about 5 minutes to vote, and you buy a $2 bbq sausage on bread with onions and tomato sauce on the way back to your car - job done till the next election ;)
@FindlayOsborn
@FindlayOsborn 2 года назад
Brilliant video.
@BenjaminPitkin
@BenjaminPitkin 2 года назад
Also, the AEC doesn't cut corners when it comes to the ballot papers - which are stored in sealed boxes and counted as physical pieces of paper. This makes it impossible to identify the manner in which any person has voted. The number of people who voted at any polling booth are tallied, and persons marked on a role. These numbers can (and are) checked against the number of ballots in the box. It makes any form of electronic form of voter fraud impossible. These tallies are made publicly available on the AEC website. If anyone dumped extra votes in a polling booth anywhere... We'd know.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Poll Worker must also initial your ballot or it is not counted, Scrutineering is essential, was bloody hard for two elections I did it for during Covid pre Vaccine, we were too far away to see properly, one seat came down to 3 votes.
@smitajky
@smitajky 2 года назад
One thing that some people like to claim is that in the system people get to vote several times. Which is not true. Each person ultimately gets to vote only once. Because the person that they MIGHT have chosen first has been eliminated. So effectively there is a new election of the remaining candidates. in which they still only vote once. The person whose candidate was not elected also votes in this new election. For the same candidate they already chose. The ones whose candidate was removed gets to pick from what is left. No one votes twice. Or gets two choices. It is a little bit like being in a queue at the lolly store. There are five children in the queue and there are just five sweets. Now you might have wanted the aniseed ball. But one of the kids ahead already has that so you can only pick from what is left. You still only get one pick. You just are not given the option of having your FIRST choice.
@MWyndo7
@MWyndo7 2 года назад
Nice video, fellow Casey constituent!
@MrGundawindy
@MrGundawindy 2 года назад
Missing voting slips that are "found" on the floor? Sounds very realistic actually. 😜
@dangeorge809
@dangeorge809 2 года назад
@2:28 "This is someone local to the area" Unfortunately, it's not always "someone local". Far too often we've seen high-profile candidates like Maxine McKew, John Alexander, Cheryl Kernot, and in the May 2022 election, former NSW Premier Kristina Keneally, "parachuted" into a seat representing a community they're not a member of, are unlikely to know much if anything about, and almost certainly aren't a part of. Hence why I was so glad to see Keneally lose to a local Independent candidate, in what has historically been a safe seat for her party. This is one part of our political system that I can't stand. I don't want someone who knows nothing about my community and has never been a part of it suddenly becoming my local member. I know it has no chance of happening, but I would like to see it legislated that someone can't run for a seat unless they've voted in a certain number of elections for it (ideally two, or have lived and been registered in the electorate for five years).
@nickvandernet
@nickvandernet 2 года назад
This is a great video. Every voter should watch it. Well done! And as for not sharing your politics, well done again! My guess: You're young, from Melbourne, long hair, inner city. If you're not a green, I'll eat my shorts! 😂
@marksheehan8026
@marksheehan8026 10 месяцев назад
Thanks mate ..
@davidhunt3808
@davidhunt3808 2 года назад
Love the way we do things . We vote and get who we want for ! We don't have the arguments they have in the United States .
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
If we lose we have a few drinks and then start lobbying the Winner to look at issues in our Electorate, we still are Mates with people who vote differently, we sit back and wait when votes are to close to call.
@palyamsudheer
@palyamsudheer 3 месяца назад
Great job
@fuzzyhair321
@fuzzyhair321 2 года назад
One thing our system helps create is it doesn't split the vote among voters
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
Really well explained. Only quibble- a token cat at the end of the video would have been cool too.
@ianveal4690
@ianveal4690 2 года назад
The main thrust of what you are saying is on the money but you have given some incorrect information. The Legislative Assembly is the lower house in Victoria. The lower house in the Federal Parliament is The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Voting for the Senate is not preferential., It is proportional representation - its about getting a quota of votes so parties get roughly the number of senate seats that are equivalent to it's share of support in the population (If a party has 20% support in the state you expect them to get roughly 20 % of the senate seats in that state. So the representation is proportional to the amount of support a party has.)
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Hi Ian, thanks for your feedback. I realise that I missed the mark when by referring to the upper and lower houses in federal parliament as the legislative council and assemblies. In regards to the senate counting - I totally skipped over it intentionally for this video. The way it is both preferential (first count goes to first preferences) and proportional (with the quota of votes, mentioned) and the way all of it is calculated was beyond the scope of this video. I'm of half a mind to redo this video, at least parts of it, to correct my errors and *attempt* to explain how the Senate count works... but it's complex and even the AEC doesn't do a great job of explaining it succinctly. Thanks again!
@wingnoit
@wingnoit 2 года назад
Another point to add ... Some may say, "well if one of the major parties will get in anyway, why vote for the small guy?". The reason is that if a party gets X% of the primary vote (I think it's 3%) then they can receive additional campaign funds next time. It means that even if the small guy doesn't get in, they have a better chance next time.
@EvilParagon4
@EvilParagon4 2 года назад
There is a better system of voting than preferential. After going through every vote frame by frame to calculate Score Voting, here are the results. But first, Score Voting is the same as preferential, except instead of recounting the loser's votes, we count everyone's votes with equal weight. Your second preference should not be worth less because your first preference is in the lead. What we end up doing is calculating 1st preferences as having 6 points, and 6th preferences as having 1 point. So now we add all of them up. Mantises got 7 first preferences, 7 second preference, 7 third preferences, 5 fourth preferences, 14 fifth preferences, and 0 sixth preferences, for a total of 7x6 + 7x5 + 7x4 + 5x3 + 14x2 + 0x1 = 148 points. Cats got 8x6, 14x5, 6x4, 7x3, 4x2, 1x1 = 172 points. Dogs got 180 points. Mosquitoes got 46 points. (38 6th, 1 5th, 1 1st). Kangaroos got 148 points. Koalas got 147 points. And so the results we find are Dogs are the winners, with Cats as opposition, nothing changed here in this specific example, but we learnt a lot of valuable information. For one, Mantises, Koalas, and Kangaroos are all roughly the same popularity level. We also see that not only are Mosquitoes not very popular, they're also extremely _unpopular_ with majority of ballots putting them at 6th. We also see that the Cat lobby has a dislike for Dogs specifically, with many cat votes ranking Dogs low at 5 and 4, but dog voters are less vindictive with cats often ranking as high as second and third preference. We gain so much more information from this means of voting than we do with just preferential. For instance, we can see from that last fact that if dogs were elected, cat supporters would be quite unhappy, but if cats were elected, dog voters would not be as unhappy and would still for the most part be in favour of the ruling party. What we have by using Score voting is a system built on compromise and centrism. The Cat party to earn more votes would have to deradicalise to win over Dog party voters who by all means are happy for Cats to rule. The Dog party would also have to see what they're doing wrong to offend the Cats and why it's costing them points. In the preferential system, these facts don't matter. Cat Party is incentivised to radicalise its supporters further and request their voters to place Dogs last, meanwhile Dogs can ignore Cat issues so long as it makes sure Koalas and Kangaroos still vote for them, because the opinions of the loser Koalas and Kangaroos are worth more than the actively opposing Cats, who because they don't lose enough can't make it clear how much they don't like dog policies. Preferential Voting leads to extremism, but Score Voting leads to compromise.
@jamesahibbard
@jamesahibbard 2 года назад
A few things worth mentioning; 1. Candidates get money based on how many times they are preferenced first ($2.756 per vote) if they get 4% of the primary vote for a given electorate. 2. The senate election works differently. 3. Single Transferable Vote (STP) is not the greatest method for ordering dinner. Approval voting would be a better system, where everyone votes what they're happiest with. It's also a lot easier.
@MrScoobiess
@MrScoobiess 2 года назад
there is no compulsory voting in Australia ,it is compulsory for you to turn up and receive your voting papers, you then enter a polling booth at this point you can, if you wish draw unicorns on your voting paper. This would void your vote , voting is always on a Saturday
@man.inblack
@man.inblack 2 года назад
Don’t we also have publicly funded elections so we don’t ‘NEED’ donations to politicians during elections - eliminating the justification of bribery during the process. I think this is a fundamental requirement we should expand - no cash donations to any representative so they aren’t distracted by ‘outside interests’ US senators spend about 50% of their work lives chasing donations to fund their ‘career’, I’d rather our pollies spent their time DOING THEIR JOB! After that we need to work on the failures of the MSM and bias towards corporate interests Our politicians are some of the best paid in the world - they keep giving themselves bipartisan wage rises. Our PM earns more than the US president, and the only leaders who earn more have the title king, queen or emperor. Maybe we should tie pollies wages to the average wage, so when it goes up, so does theirs. That might get them working for us instead. Paying politicians so well is supposed to make them ‘bribery proof’ - like they’ll say “I don’t need your bribe, I have enough money thanks” - a quaint idea with little basis in modern reality. We might have a good electoral system but democracy needs ‘maintenance’ and transparency because the first to benefit by its corruption is the politicians Butas the AEC has stated, it will continue to be a safe system while we DO NOT use electronic voting. Ensure the AEC is unbiased and powered by ordinary people and we have a chance to get who the people want, not just corporate sycophants
@manyanful
@manyanful 2 года назад
I like that presentation and others should consider it.
@LeviticusStroud
@LeviticusStroud 2 года назад
This is similar to the way I described this type of voting to some friends of mine. In particular, when doing the food analogy, is the issue of allergies. If 11 friends meet up for a reunion, and choose from 10 local restaurants, you'll have a big problem if the only one with 2+ votes is the sea food place- but 6 of those friends are allergic! In such situations you don't have a democracy representing the wishes of the majority, you in fact have a minority forcing out the majority from being able to participate.
@keithprice475
@keithprice475 2 года назад
It would be very good to explain that what actually determines who is the government is not who has the most seats in the House of Reps, but who would survive a vote of no confidence if it were called. To be the government, you need 'the confidence of the house'.
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
That’s a good suggestion! Perhaps another time.
@tamarapetrov4990
@tamarapetrov4990 5 месяцев назад
Thanks! I wish more Australians understood how it all works
@emjem99
@emjem99 2 года назад
Very good explainer (and it's parliament:))
@margaretcassidy7830
@margaretcassidy7830 2 года назад
I found this video very interesting. How your country votes.
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Thanks for the kind words, as always! Glad to make an interesting video for you ☺️
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 2 года назад
Australia does NOT have compulsory voting - Australia has compulsory attendance/participation. (Once in attendance you can leave the ballot blank or purposely vote informal). A subtle but worthwhile difference.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
Your distinction seems semantically meaningless .......You describe the Australian system as "compulsory attendance/participation" rather than compulsory voting because " *Once in attendance you can leave the ballot blank or purposely **_vote_** informal* " ............in other words, you've cast a vote. Similarly for those who don't actually attend anywhere and choose to vote by mail: They apply for a ballot. They receive a ballot. They return a ballot to get their name ticked off - they've "participated"....and yet somehow they have also managed to cast a vote. I think you fail to grasp the meaning of compulsory voting - it's not about attendance or participation - it's about having to make a choice and going on the record with that choice. In Australian elections it is a civic duty (legally mandate obligation of citizens and permanent residents ) to make a choice and have it formally recorded, even if that choice resolves to "none of the above".
@rhonafenwick5643
@rhonafenwick5643 2 года назад
A purposeful informal vote (which includes blank ballots, btw) is still a vote. It's a vote for "none of the above".
@fidomusic
@fidomusic 2 года назад
@@gladishilton1943 The key is participation. You have participated. You don't have to vote for an individual or party. Compulsory voting means you have to show up and do the act of voting. You have participated. I have argued with Americans about this when I lived in the US and they think that compulsory voting means you have to vote for someone. If I emphasize participation rather than voting for any individual or party they get it. You can spoil your ballot or leave it blank. You don't have to vote for any particular candidate or party. But you have participated.
@gladishilton1943
@gladishilton1943 2 года назад
@@fidomusic That's not correct! It's more than just turning up and getting your name ticked off. The law says you actually have to vote! " *The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918, under section 245(1), states: "It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election* ." *Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box* . *It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions* ... [however] *Because of the secrecy of the ballot, it is not possible to determine whether a person has completed their ballot paper prior to placing it in the ballot box. It is therefore not possible to determine whether all electors have met their legislated duty to vote* ..." - source : Australian Electoral Commission
@johnallison4688
@johnallison4688 2 года назад
Comprehensive but I feel that you could have mentioned the term and the fact that we don’t have an Electoral College which is anti democratic. In addition we vote on the week end and we don’t need to be a citizen just a long term resident. Thanks for the posting.
@helenwalsh6993
@helenwalsh6993 2 года назад
And this is one reason why, if my choice doesn't get in, despite disappointment, I don't get too upset as I know that the majority ruled.
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
I would really love an explanation of how the vote in the Senate works. I used to scrutineer at elections so I have understood the system for the lower house, but I only have vaguest idea of how the quota system in the Senate works.
@williamlennie
@williamlennie 2 года назад
(edited for clarification) The AEC's site on the quota is pretty straight forward. But anyway: First, they determine how many votes a person needs (the quota) by comparing the number of votes to the number of senators to be elected. The formula is in the link below. Basically, if there are 4 senators being elected a "quota" is slightly more than one fifth of the votes. Second, for the senate you can either vote by party or by individual candidate. Either way you vote using preferences. Votes are distributed by their first preference. Third, if at this stage a candidate (or more than one candidate) has more than a quota, they are elected, and all the extra votes are redistributed amongst the remaining candidates. There is a specific formula for this also in the link below. A short explanation: say the quota was 10 votes and I received 15 votes. That means one third (5 out of 15) of my votes need to be redistributed. The second preference of ALL of my votes are looked at. These now count as one third of a vote, and are distributed amongst the remaining candidates. If another candidate now reaches the quota, this process repeats. If no candidate has a quota, then the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and their votes distributed, much like in the lower house. This process is followed until the correct number of senators have been elected. (there's also a mechanism for when nobody can reach a quota) The AEC's website is very easy to follow precisely because this can seem like a very opaque system at times. I encourage you to follow the link below to get more precise details than I have provided. www.aec.gov.au/voting/counting/senate_count.htm#:~:text=To%20be%20elected%20to%20the,result%20(ignoring%20any%20remainder).
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
@@williamlennie Thank you. I had some idea - I was in a political party once and ran in an unwinnable position (No 4 on the ticket ) Council once. I had to encourage friends to vote down the ticket. I was vaguely aware of the reasons. No 3 on the ticket ended up being elected, but I actually had more number one votes than he did. Apparently his friends and family were more disciplined than mine🙂
@TheGreatLordDufus
@TheGreatLordDufus 2 года назад
The examples for this were particularly good, showing a cut-down version of the full counting process to the point of a majority being reached. One thing. In the "Westminster System" section when referring to Parliament, the 151 electorates are only the House of Representatives whose members decide government (leaving aside technical details). You do mention immediately after, however using Parliament when only mean the House is misleading IMO. Also on the names, there is no Legislative Assembly in the federal parliament. We based the system from Westminster, the house names from the United States. Partly because the Commons and Lords do not really fit the Australian myth of egalitarianism, and partly because we have States (Colonies when the Constitution was written, States once enacted) and an elected upper house. The UK had neither of these to use as a basis in Australia. Legislative Assembly, Legislative Council, etc are names used in States/Territories. The Senate count is complex due to the multi-member aspect which is more representative again. At least, they are within each State/Territory - the varying state sizes are a different story and in their way less representative. The detail is too complex to fully explain in a short video, so leaving it as you did is probably good for this one.
@Thats_Pretty_Cool
@Thats_Pretty_Cool 2 года назад
Hey TheGreatLordDufus, thanks for your kinds words and helpful feedback. I realise that I missed the mark by referring to the house of representatives as 'parliament' and not including the senate more explicitly, as well as using the legislative council and assembly when referring to our federal parliment - my bad! I wasn't brave enough to tackle how the senate votes are counted for this video - if I redo it (which I'm of half a mind to do, since there are a few points which aren't 100% correct), I might give it a go :P Thanks :)
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Australians are great Magpies at many things we do,, every time we develop Policy or A Government System we choose all the bits that work in other countries, then we simplify system and make it the best, we do it for small and large scale Programs and Policies. Why reinvent the Wheel if you can just change a few spokes to perfect it.
@arokh72
@arokh72 2 года назад
Our system of government isn't actually the Westminster system, and in fact it's been called the Washminster system, as we seem to take elements from the the US and UK. Though I do believe the term is debated by political scientists, I'm just someone who is interested in out political system. From the United States came (1) the federal system with powers divided between central and State governments, (2) a court to settle disputes over their jurisdictions and (3) the structure of the federal legislature, a House of Representatives to represent the people and a Senate to represent the States. From the United Kingdom came responsible government, the practice of ministers being members of parliament and having to obtain majority support from the lower house.
@howizee
@howizee 2 года назад
about half way through the video and getting concerned you're forgetting the most vital part of an election. the democracy sausage.
@michaelfink64
@michaelfink64 2 года назад
No system of democracy is perfect. I also live in Victoria, in an electorate that has overwhelming voted Liberal (our more right wing party - like Republican or Conservative) for many elections in a row. That means my vote doesn't really make much difference in comparison to a person who lives in a marginal (more evenly balanced) electorate. My Senate vote is more relevant, because it is not based on electorates. However, since all states get the same number of Senators, my vote is not as influential as someone from Tasmania, a state with a much smaller population.l
@JustinWatson23
@JustinWatson23 2 года назад
that is an issue of being in a safe seat. the only way to really change it is to support quality opponents. Clearly people were upset in many safe electorates last time.
@sandrarobinson3266
@sandrarobinson3266 2 года назад
Should try living in the NT 1 Senator and 1 MP does inside the Darwin City Limits. The other MP and Senator have to look after Rural Darwin all the Islands including Xmas Is and many more then the rest of NT with many different language Groups, and extremely different issues for Top End, Katherine TCreek, Alice, Yulara 100s of small remote communities, like the Huge Electorate in WA we need too have Electorate cut in half. The Bush MPs really do deserve the Pay they receive as are integrated into the place they serve, have never seen one go off and get a Cushy Job after time ends. News made big deal after Kevin Andrews retired as he pulled a lot of Stunts and Self Promoted himself a lot, while our MP Warren Snowden/ The Man with the Mo retired after 33 years of Hard Yacka looking after NT so well, was a fighter so though he wanted to finish last election, he stayed as had not got Govt to give us Territory Rights, also had to stop them Cutting NT representation down to 1 MP and 1 Senator, once he won those battles he announced retirement. When you look up his record in Hansard be surprised how much he achieved quietly, many would not have noticed but he was almost always the one that Travelled O/S for War Commemorations, he was normally requested by the Military to join them, due to huge Military Presence in NT and his work fighting for their needs and rights,.
@shanesydney127
@shanesydney127 5 месяцев назад
What about yearly re-allocations of electoral boundaries making elections fairer or picked beforehand ?
@DylanShearerAllOfTheD
@DylanShearerAllOfTheD 2 года назад
Should have also mentioned the strong political independence of the electoral commission and electoral border creation process :)
@albertbatfinder5240
@albertbatfinder5240 2 года назад
Two little points: 1. There was no need of a special graphic depicting Grayndler and Durack electorates if (as you said) it’s not to scale. No one needs to know the disembodied shape of two electorates! 2. You might have pointed out the Governor General intervened in 1975 ultimately on behalf of the people. He dismissed the government not to explicitly install another party, but to enable an election to be called so that the people could decide how to end the crisis. The system had a mechanism to resolve a dysfunctional parliament by calling on the ultimate arbiter, the people.
@jakepalmer1986
@jakepalmer1986 2 года назад
I'm over 18 and I don't have to vote cause I never enrolled to vote. Once you enrol you have to vote forever but if you don't enrol then you don't have to
@Mirrorgirl492
@Mirrorgirl492 2 года назад
Correct. And why have you not enrolled? Are you uninterested in exercising your Democratic right/duty? If you don't vote, you can't complain about the government because you had no say in it. Do you not care that hundreds of thousands of people have struggled, fought and died to get you this privilege? You are over 18, but your don't sound very grown up.
@jakepalmer1986
@jakepalmer1986 2 года назад
@@Mirrorgirl492 Geez, I just say something about my personal choices and your calling me out for not caring about the people who built this country, I never said I didn’t care, I just chose not to vote cause I don’t have political opinions, it doesn’t bother me who is in power cause either way they will still run the country just fine
@Mirrorgirl492
@Mirrorgirl492 2 года назад
@@jakepalmer1986 Fair enough
@mrjoneseastend
@mrjoneseastend 2 года назад
What is the penalty if you don't attend the polling station assuming you're able to do so?
@CassandraHanley
@CassandraHanley 2 года назад
A small fine. Like $50 or so. It’s so easy to go to a pre-poll or do a postal vote it’s hard to forget. You don’t have to cast a valid vote either. You just have to turn up. If you don’t particularly care about politics and wanna draw smily faces or a cock and balls on your form that’s fine , there’s no penalty for not voting properly… but you we’re handed a form and you had a chance to have your say.
@tom_curtis
@tom_curtis 2 года назад
I believe that the best electoral system in the world is that used in New Zealand -- the Mixed Member Proportional representation system. In that system, you make two votes - an electorate and a party vote. In each electorate (of which there are 72), the person elected is the person with the plurality of votes in a first past the post system. However, the remaining 48 seats in parliament are allocated from lists of preferred candidates from each party in such a way as to make the total number of representatives in parliament for each party proportional to their total Party Vote. The next best, IMO, is the Hare-Clark system used in Tasmania, in which each electorate has a number of representatives, with the seats from each electorate allocated in the same way as they are in the Senate. In my mind, the ideal system would be a Mixed Member Proportional Hare-Clark system. Ie, the New Zealand system but with at least three members for each electorate with representation in electorates decided as in the Australian Senate. I do agree, however, that the Australian system is one of the best in the world; and far-far better than that in the USA or UK.
@HaurakiVet
@HaurakiVet 2 года назад
Your system is certainly better than first past the post, but our mixed member system in NZ has been very solidly accepted by the voting public. The only real objection comes from one of the big parties which lost its ability to govern alone which it had been very keen on. After a couple of elections the system was put back to the people by referendum and was endorsed. It provides a voice in parliament for people who had been disenfranchised for decades and forces parties to look for consensus policies rather than simply dictate. Also we got rid of our upper house years ago and see no reason to reinstate it.
@rhonafenwick5643
@rhonafenwick5643 2 года назад
For us in Oz, the upper house is what provides the checks and balances, in almost precisely the manner you describe: the governing party has also held a Senate majority just once in the last forty years and just during the 21st century we've had no less than fourteen different parties sitting in the Senate at various times (as well as numerous independents). Despite the differences in the structure, I think the Australian and New Zealand systems result in broadly similar outcomes
@brightonbabe2139
@brightonbabe2139 2 года назад
NZ doesnt have states doesn't it? Thats a question not a comment.
@HaurakiVet
@HaurakiVet 2 года назад
@@brightonbabe2139 no, no states. We are a small country geographically and states would not be a viable option. With only about five million population it would be more like an Australian state election.
@HaurakiVet
@HaurakiVet 2 года назад
@@rhonafenwick5643 probably the main difference from what I see is that the coalitions formed by each new government vary, with the smaller parties trying to get the best deal they can for their constituents. For example the Maori seats are usually won by the same party (but not always) and are prepared to negotiate with both of the bigger parties, as is another party, NZ First, which has supported both at times over the years. This gives small parties a meaningful voice whereas they could otherwise simply be ignored while a simple majority government can effectively rule by decree while going through the parliamentary motions. Almost anything is better than first past the post.
@brontewcat
@brontewcat 2 года назад
I live in the smallest electorate by size, and for the first I actually got to elect the PM.🙂
@julianskinner3697
@julianskinner3697 2 года назад
Compulsory voting is good but gerrymandering still possible in Australia Aotearoa NZ has a better system.
@petercrispin2129
@petercrispin2129 2 года назад
The only thing you missed out was with the Upper House - Senate, in that yes there are 12 representatives from each state and two from territories, but only 6 are voted in every 3 years, and 1 from every territory, so a senator sits in Parliament for 6 years, then either bows out or is voted back in.
@fridaytax
@fridaytax 2 года назад
Peter actually BOTH territory senators are up for election each time. They don't work like the states at all
@petercrispin2129
@petercrispin2129 2 года назад
@@fridaytax thanks Anne for that. 👍
@Simon-hb9rf
@Simon-hb9rf 2 года назад
the mock election was a very helpful demonstration. i much prefer the Australian system but i don't think the voters in my country (England) are informed enough to list a preference order.
@aidanm5578
@aidanm5578 2 года назад
You can vote just 1 candidate. But you have the option to number all the way down. The choice is yours.
@williamlennie
@williamlennie 2 года назад
In Australia plenty of voters are also not informed enough to list a preference order. While it would be optimal for every voter to have a deep understanding of all the candidates, the reality is most people do not. Many people follow "how to vote" cards supplied by the party they agree with the most (or even just the party they habitually vote for). It's a strength and weakness of the compulsory voting. People who are not interested in politics, or not well informed, still have to vote. On the one hand this can mean people not actually making the choice that most aligns with their priorities. On the other hand, a principle of democracy is you get to vote however you please. If a voter can vote on whatever basis they choose.
@originaluddite
@originaluddite Год назад
I like to stress that we have compulsory _attendance_ voting. Nobody is forcing you to do more than get your name crossed off the roll. Our PM is referred to as the 'first among equals' and _all_ the ministry is in effect our government. That can be tricky to understand because of how much our political culture has drifted into a personality-driven 'presidential style'. It's good that ministers are by custom also parliamentarians. This means they have to be personally exposed to parliamentary debate and scrutiny. Can I move a motion for 'pizza' to be called Italian and for 'fish and chips' to be called Greek (which makes sense if you were in Australia of the 70s to 90s)? :)
@Andrew-df1dr
@Andrew-df1dr 2 года назад
Australia uses the Wash-Minster system. It is a hybrid of the US Washington System and the UK Westminster System. This is seen by the use of sates with equal number of Senate Seats as in the US and single member electorates as in the UK. From the United States came the federal system with powers divided between central and State governments, a court to settle disputes over their jurisdictions and the structure of the federal legislature, a House of Representatives to represent the people and a Senate to represent the States. From the United Kingdom came responsible government, the practice of ministers being members of parliament and having to obtain majority support from the lower house.
@hermansnazzledorf2950
@hermansnazzledorf2950 2 года назад
Just goes to show how much things can be improved if we just borrow good ideas from each other
@Andrew-df1dr
@Andrew-df1dr 2 года назад
@@hermansnazzledorf2950 That right. if possible, It's healthy to learn from others.
@NBvagabond
@NBvagabond 2 года назад
technically, you can waste your vote, but that's only by voting incorrectly (not numbering enough, just ticking, etc) or identifying yourself on the ballot
@peteratkinson8957
@peteratkinson8957 2 года назад
Yes please, remake the video concentrating on how the preferential system works. Many Australians don't understand this. Also need to emphasize that voters don't have to follow party 'how to vote' cards. If people understood this better we could get candidates who stand for local issues and not those who just follow the party line. This education should be compulsory for all children and for those from overseas who wish to become Australian citizens.
@PandaKnight52
@PandaKnight52 2 года назад
Local issues don't fix the country. ofcourse they need to be fixed and looked at, but having a Party in charge isn't a bad thing when you have to run a country.
@HT-vd4in
@HT-vd4in 4 месяца назад
Okay, you fixed FPP, but your house of representatives is still not proportional to the national votes for the parties. To achieve this a mixed member proportional system, like in New Zealand, Germany or many other countries would be the better choice. Saying you have the best voting system in the world just because you vote by alternative vote is very self centered.
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