How WAKANDA FOREVER Sets Up Marvel Phase 5 and Thunderbolts 

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Someone needs to let M'Baku know that he is going to be the Steward of Wakanda for about 15 years instead of King. His face will be priceless when he finds out about T'Challa.

I’m thinking since M’Baku arrived to the challenge ceremony on Shuri’s ship, him and Shuri probably made an agreement that he’s going to be more like King Regent, where he will rule on behalf of Shuri. So if it ever comes a time that Shuri or Tchalla Jr. needs to take back the throne, M’Baku will just yield. M’Baku made a promise to T’Challa before his death that he will take care of Shuri so I can see something like this happening.

Hot take: After Wakanda is attacked & flooded, Zemo escaped. The Thunderbolts are used as a covert force to find and return him to prison, in either a UN Prison or a Wakandan. Bucky forces his way on the team as a way to make amends to Wakanda.

Zemo is not in a Wakandan prison, he's in the Raft.

There is NO WAY In hell Bucky goes against Wakanda .

With all the talk about destabilization, let’s also not forget this is what each member of the current Thunderbolts lineup have in common. Each of them have been used by their various governments/organizations to destabilize their enemies - Bucky for Hydra, Ghost for SHIELD, Walker for the US, and Yelena and Red Guardian and Taskmaster for the Red Room/Russia. This team is not gathered to fight some huge big threat, this is a team designed for destabilization.

Shoutout to the late great Powers Boothe. Always loved his performances. And CATWS is still my favorite MCU movie.

14:23 I'm pretty sure the finale of F&TWS showed us that the Dora Milaje acc took Zemo to the Raft, not Wakanda.

Eh. I don’t think M’Baku has any ill feelings toward Shuri. Instead, I think it’s likely he “challenged” for the throne with her blessing. And he doesn’t seem the rash, hotheaded type to recklessly attack an outside power.

“ Who run the world? Earth 🌍 “ . That will live rent free in my mind now 😂❤❤❤

@ 20:31 "But it's really fun to speculate." That's the magic, that's what has kept Comics fans in line at the comics shop month after month, issue to issue, for all these decades. It's what keeps MCU fans going movie to movie, year after year. And its why we hit subscribe and click the bell. Imaginations sparking other imaginations, i love it, and i love SC. Keep up the great work!

The What If episode with Killmonger saving Tony needs a re-watch.

Ryan and Doug are one of the strongest acts I've seen on RU-vid.

I think it would be cool that once the World War happens, Loki will be able to get back to the MCU timeline and will try to warn everyone about Kang, but only to find out that the world its destroyed and devided, and Earth's to weak to resist against Kang.

Honestly, I see Wakanda and Talocan vs the world and not sure where New Asgard is. I think the Thunderbolts might start off attacking New Asgard, as most of their superhumans are immobilized and their armies are gone. I don't think New Asgard will play a huge role in this arc but it would be cool if Valkyrie led New Asgard on a smaller mission against the US or Europe. The interesting thing is how the rest of the world responds. Continents like Asia, South America, Africa, and Australia. I think Shuri would initally turn to Namor for help and he blows things way out of proportion. It would be really interesting for Wakanda to decide the outcome of this war, with Talocan mostly evenly mstched against the world and Shuri has to decide to side with Namor or the US. and then Kang comes in, destroys the multiverse, and makes BattleWorld.

This is going to be exactly how it happens…so accurate there should’ve been a spoiler warning for phase 5 & 6

would be fun to see the full might of Talokan, Wakanda and new Asgard against the puny humans.. haha

0:50 WOW! I never thought to split them up like that before. That’s amazing. That’s actually going to help me keep this franchise organized now. Thanks

I remember the scene when Namor show up the first time in front of Shuri and Ramonda,and he give (I dunno the name is) to them if they manage to catch Riri Williams. My theory is when the group of Thunderbolts attacking Wakanda in last moment...shuri will use that thing to call Namor and All the Talocan's Army

Thank for another amazing video as always ryan.

16:45 They actually took Zemo to The Raft.

"MCU Completionist" sounds much better than "MCU obsessed". Also, make Wakanda safe for democracy!

It’s crazy how you dig down on these! So awesome!

Another fun video! Love the speculations!

I just can't imagine Bucky working to attack Wakanda...:/ i dont know

I think Wakanda Forever missed an opportunity to have post credit scene introduce the Leader as the professor who challenged IronHeart to make the Vibramium detectors

I'm pretty sure this guy is blinking "Help Me" in morse code. I think the dog is holding him prisoner.

I really like how Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes built up the Secret Invasion storyline and then dealt with its aftermath. The Skrulls slowly replaced people with doppelgangers forcing Nick Fury into hiding, Dr. Doom kind of clued in Iron Man to what was happening and when they do launch the invasion they use the trust that the public has in Steve Rogers to coax a peaceful surrender from Earth. After the Skrull threat is defeated, and even though propaganda-Cap was clearly an alien imposter public perception of Captain America remains that of a traitor to Earth and the human race. Not an ideal situation but Steve being Steve uses this time of adversity as a huge teaching moment to mentor Spidey on how to deal with people like J. Jonah Jameson while still fighting the good fight.

The more I watch Ryan talk about these theory the more I hype

I always enjoy your videos.

I love your theories!

When Namor talked about his army I thought he was talking about the ocean as a whole not just his people there are plenty of fish in the sea

Love this channel

Keep your little companion contributing. Nice touch.

A version of this MCU that you may be predicting is going to happen regardless or you can say in the Multiverse of madness you are right,🎉❤ screen crush rules

All amazing videos but can we acknowledge how often this guy posts for us??? lots of love❤❤

Thanks Ryan!

all the government stuff in the MCU has been pretty dry lately. Pretty cool that its coming back in phase 5

Wow that breakdown was awesome I gotta go back and watch some disney+ content

Can't wait!!! Phase 5 is going to be good😆

I think thunderbolts is going to have the team going after villain groups like remaining hydra cells and maybe even some form of AIM trying to keep weapons away from them, and it will slowly ramp up until the team is sent against a Wakanda outpost or even the country itself, Bucky goes "wait, what?" and that splits the team, I feel like Walker would have a "good soldiers follow orders" kind of thinking, and probably ghost as well. Yelena has already been shown to have way to much chemestry with Kate to be put on the villain side, and where she goes, Red Guardian goes.

I am loving the theories you came up with. Wakanda Forever did set up so much. I would love to know your thoughts on How do you think Val became CIA Director

Amazing video

Loved the Lebowski reference at 16:00 😂

I will not be surprised if black Panther 3 will be the next movie after the thunderbolts

I really hope Marvel are listening to you, love the analysis dude

Don’t forget Yelena was hired ultimately by Kate Bishop’s mother, who was working for the Kingpin by that time. So there’s clearly a relation between Valentina and Wilson Fisk. He has definitely a part to play in all this upcoming plot

"Who runs the world.... Earth." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

At the end of TFATWS Bucky finished his book

That after credit scene caught me off guard

So happy to see your dog! 😄

great theory 😄😁, you really need to be hired as a writer for marvel !

great fun. I wish you were writing the movies! my memory of Zemo is that, illogical as it was, considering Wakanda's rightful claim on his head, is that he ended up on the Ark. Someone like Zemo could escape the Ark on a whim.

Dude, his ideas are so damn cool for real. He can join the blunt rotation

20:15 Kang waiting for a universe to weaken and divide itself before fully taking over is a God-tier strategy…

Your videos rock!

still loving the high five btw!🤣

lol im dying at the Beyoncé reference with "who runs this woorrld earth." haha you make good videos and your dog rocks!

Your dog is so cute ❤️

I can't imagine the Thunderbolts fight against Wakanda tbh, especially Yelena & Bucky

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Doctor Doom may also make his appearance in Phase 5, so he might be a member of the New World Order, and Ross will ally with him in World War 3. The Thunderbolts movie may actually be an adaptation of Doomwars. I think Ross would see New Asgard as a threat because they’re de facto super humans. So the sides could be (US, Latveria, and any country that signed the Sokovian Accords) vs (Wakanda, Talokan, Kamar-Taj, and New Asgard). The first half of the movie would be about the team carrying out the destabilization. The rest would be them realizing their mistake and joining with the Avengers team Wong is forming. They win, but the world is too divided to win against Kang. Until Wanda comes in. Nexus being versus Nexus being. Then Wanda does something, or doesn’t do something that causes the destruction of the Multiverse. Reed gets everyone on the Ark. And Doom creates Battleworld.

I can not wait until the street level becomes the focus.

kinda interesting plot there bud, really hype me up for sure!

Thunderbolts is basically Black Widow 2.

Tired of the recast T Challa movement. They already showed that T Challa will live on through his son. They won't "recast" T Challa until they reboot in the next 15-20 years.

Val didnt earn Yelena's loyalty. Yelena found out Val was lying and that Hawkeye was innocent

So when are you getting hired on as a Marvel writer? You OWN this topic, Ryan (and Doug).

if the mcu was leading to a ww3 involving wakanda, talokan, the us, and new asguard that alone would be endgame levels of exciting

W'Kabi is not in jail, he is somewhere hiding out

I love it.

I’m thinking Ross is VP & when the President dies in Captain America 4 he’ll then become the new President. Giving him all the authority he needs to complete his tasks.

I was thinking after Secret Invasion, either Val or Thunderbolt Ross will take over the government & the DODC as a political figure like Norman Osborn in the comics. They’ll target Skrulls & Mutants (such as Namor), possibly even launching the Sentinel Program. I think they’ll start Siege on Wakanda instead of New Asgard & that forces the Avengers and Talokan to get involved. They may end up outcasting the Avengers (the dead Celestial from Eternals would make a good secret hideout) and replacing them with their own Thunderbolts team. Dark Reign could be the Civil War-like event before Kang Dynasty forces everyone to put their differences aside again. This could be the Earth-level threat (for Cap, She-Hulk, War Machine, Ant-Man, Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Hawkeye, Sersi, Vision, Torres’ Falcon etc). Galactus could be a cosmic issue (Thor, GOTG, The Marvels, F4, Hulk, Eternals, Nova, Adam Warlock etc). Kingpin could be a street-level problem for the Heroes for Hire (Spidey, Kate, Echo, DD, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc). Mephisto or the Scarlet Witch could be a mystical/supernatural villain to the Midnight Sons (Wong, Blade, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, Black Knight, Man-Thing, Agatha Harkness, Werewolf By Night, Magik, Ghost Rider, Nightcrawler etc). Kang or Doom will be the ultimate villain of the Multiverse Saga. I imagine we go into the Mutant Saga next and Wanda, Apocalypse, or Dark Phoenix would be the perfect villain to end Phase 10 (X).

"Who rules the world? Villians!" That tiny dog is smarter than most of this channels viewers.

I wonder if the main Kang by the end of Kang Dynasty will be called Beyonder therefore merging two characters into one but Beyonder is just like a title like Mad Titan for Thanos!!!

When namor said that blades of grass line I said oh shit no one has a chance

Omfg....that Big Lebowski reference 😘🤌

I somewhat agree that they could’ve retired Ross with his actor now having passed away, but I am glad he’s coming back so we can get Red Hulk. In addition, I hope we eventually see Red She Hulk.

i like the new team for thunderbolts i feel like there gonna be used for not big threat but normal ppl there not gonna fight thanos there gona. fight other nations

Blade is actually the final movie of Phase 5!!!

Love your stuff Ryan. However, I think there’s a flaw in assuming that agent Ross is a skrull. Shuri would have certainly detected something odd about the DNA structure of agent, Ross, when repairing his back, unless of course, when a skrull shapeshifts they literally take on a different cellular structure? I don’t know enough about it to know that, but that seems a bit hard to believe.

The existence of a Lennon (Chaotic Neutral) and a Lenin (Lawful neutral) suggests a Lenunder, and perhaps some other Len... 's which would fill the alignment chart.

Marvel theorists: ok we need to predict what happens next Marvel theorists after watching a new movie then is nothing related to their planning : scrap that we plan this again Then it keeps going on and on

Could be worth it to make a video that runs through the different iterations of the dark avengers/thunderbolts

i can agree but Bucky is also called the white wolf!!!

I love doug!!!. "Vladimir Lenin." "I am the walrus."

We need more theories on whats going to happen in Phase 5

I don't think Zemo will become part of the Thunberbolts. He's very much against all forms of super soldiers so working with a team that has a few of them on the roster is a no-no for him. I think he's going to be a wildcard and form his own anti-super hero team. He only worked with Bucky and Sam because they freed him.

If the team's first mission is to steal vibranium from Wakanda, how will Bucky react?

M'Baku needs his own film ....

Dark Reign,Siege & Devil’s Reign needs to happen at some point

Wouldn’t Ross have been found out as a skrull when he was shot? X-ray and vital scans?

This video gave me goosebumps....🔥🔥🔥🤍

Ryan can yu do a video on our current mcu timeline plz? Bro I’m kinda confused on the timeline right now and Whaa year we’re in plz 🙏🏾

Brooooooooooooo did u notice they recreated the predator high five meme that u use , in wakanda forever with shuri and unbaku😂😂😂😂 the moment i saw that i thaught about u

I hope that Bucky doesn’t help Val take over Wakanda and helps them stop the US from destabilizing Wakanda.

Sounds really cool..🤨😎

I dunno, but the painting Namor was working on, plus his ideals, give me a vibe of there possibly being a Civil War 2 movie.

DDOC head is probably a skrull which trickles down to all this stuff that you are theorizing, about the skrulls lol.