i agree, the haphazard of it all, the few plot holes as if it is being seen in third-person with not all the details. the feeling of being trapped and unable to do anything. would be a perfect way to write the movie off and reboot the series from that point as I assume Blombkamp was planning to do before Ridley forcing his movie to be canceled
Yeah, I mean the setting and mood of the movie is depressing, nothing adds up and it's completely disjointed, there's a feeling of hopelessness throughout; it's a nightmare. I actually like it as a standalone movie for a few reasons but I don't like to connect it back to the first 2 movies because it just doesn't fit.
I view it more as a nightmare by Ripley, mainly because if you die in a dream you wake up. However, it could be Newt's because she was in Cryo, and we have no idea how a waking nightmare would work in suspended animation
Brendan Byrne yeah agreed. The comics of Newt grown up helping fight the creatures is WAY better then the cheesy LAZY kill Newt and Hicks before the movie.
SonAlexander, you've never had a dream you were someone else?! It could be Ripley's nightmare, it could be Newts, it could be Fox executives', I don't think that matters so much.
The only problem with the "Newt was already infected" theory is that when we see Ripley rescue Newt from the hive in Aliens, an egg is clearly opening in front of Newt. Why would the egg open if Newt was already carrying an Alien embryo?
Newt never was. It was just poor writing and the whole egg-on-the-dropship scenario was pants. Alright, they had to kill her off because she would have aged between Aliens and 3 which would've thrown off Ripley's non-ageing by 57 years, but it is still crap as she was a great little character. No Biehn either. Good performances from Dance and Weaver, but big disappointment and the poorest of the 6. Prometheus could have been an epic (poor cast/mis-casting), while Covenant went too far off tangent. Should have stuck with the Engineers; that's what people wanted.
Newt drowned It's said some time after Ripley woke up And yes if newt was already infected the egg wouldn't have tried for a second time That is oddly how the aliens work
@@nuntana2 Newt drowned At least that is what the Dr found after Ripley had him do an autopsy on Newt But correct Newt was never infected I'm more confused as to why when Ripley was infected it took so long for it to try and break out
On a lark, the Queen instead impregnated Newt with a super hugger, which contained both a new queen AND a drone to protect her. Therefore, the egg pod in front of Newt didn’t open because it detected pheromones which caused it to not open.
They dont need recurring characters as much as they need solid writing. Look at the best film, Alien. It didnt have the burden of fleshed out characters. Instead you watch real character development and effort to ground these people in reality. From griping about their bosses and shares, ect.. That alone offers much greater potential than holding on to old storylines and offers new perspective.
Everyone thinks that they didn't want Newt in the 3rd one but she actually didn't watch to be famous at least that's what she said she is now a kindergarten teacher.
It's right up there with killing off Ironhorse in the first episode of the second season of War of the Worlds, and John Connor in the beginning of Dark Fate.
Well, It's only ''dark'' cause the director liked to play around killing two main characters from the previous movie on the openning credits. Aside from that, the movie as a whole just feels like a worse version of Alien (1979).
@@yurilouback6331 It's probably not David Fincher's fault. From the sounds of it, he was kept on a very short leash. On the other hand, the William Gibson script put Ripley into a literal catatonic state for the whole movie in order to make Hicks the hero. It could have been so much worse.
In Alien 3, Ripley made them do an autopsy on Newt, she drowned. There was no damage to her internal organs, lungs, heart. Ripley was the one that got Queen egg, cause if you review the scan, it’s an adult, not a child, and if you remember the dog was parking at the other alien egg, love the videos. Want another Alien Movie👍👍👍👍
@@RCenalWhich had all already come out by the time this comment was made, and are thus not another Alien movie relative to said comment. Work on your reading comprehension.
degree7 This alien was different. There were no signs of a hive of any sort on the planet. Maybe it lacked the ability to produce the resin to build hives and trap prisoners.
degree7 There are multiple ways for a queen, 2 of which are royal face huggers and drones. Facehuggers explain themselves, and drones melt into praetorians. Praetorians most into queens.
It could only be a immaculate conception lol. This would then please the synthetic David of the Prometheus when he called them the ultimate beings. Let me know what you think in the comments....blah, blah, blah
But wasnt she abducted by a drone and brought into the atmosphere processor hive? She was going to be facehugged until she was rescued by Ripley. This would signify that the aliens didn't detect an alien embryo inside her.
@@ayuchanayuko or, so that was the safest place the Queen could géstate until the time came. Or they impregnated her in that moment right before Ridley came. Are my 2 ideas.
I can accept the "Super Hugger" theory since it has been expanded upon in subsequent lore development through the comics and novels, plus it's visibly depicted in the workprint edition. As already pointed out by most others, Alien 3 was just completely gutted by plot holes and studio interference. The idea of the embryo being able to slither out of a host and move to another, I cannot accept. Therein lies the problem of the inconsistency of the Alien life-cycle. Every movie after Alien 3, even Ridley Scott's own Prometheus prequel series, has sharply deviated from the established gestation time of an alien. In Alien thru Alien 3, it took a considerable amount of time...24 - 48 hours at least for a drone. Sure...maybe the queen is "special" and therefore in its early gestational stages, is more equipped to survive. But then you had those shit-on-a-film-reel Alien vs Predator movies, wherein the total gestation time from Hugger-to-burster-to-adult was roughly 15 minutes. Then there was Alien: Covenant - hugger-to-burster-to-adult in...what...6 minutes? And facehugger impregnation time less than 1 minute? I can accept Newt having already been impregnated after being captured, but again...facehugger attachment time had been shown to be lengthy...several hours. Another inconsistency. So I think overall the "super hugger" theory is the most logical...a specially equipped "survival of the hive" facehugger that carries a queen and a protective drone/warrior so the queen can survive.
thank you for this persuasive essay. I’ve been reading the comment section under this video for about 20 minutes now, and your theory/explanation for how it could’ve possibly went down is probably the best and most realistic answer for how Ripley pulls a saint Mary and magically finds herself impregnated😭😭🤧 once again thank you for your response, this shit woulda kept me up all night!!
Although you have to take into account that the Predators had bred the aliens so they could have found a way to modify the xenos lifecycle to make it faster/slower etc. Then, in Alien Covenant, these are also not necessarily the same organisms since (if I remember correctly) those aliens are the precursors to the Aliens from Alien/Aliens and there is a lot of evolutionary processes that could change them. If the aliens in Covenant weren't the precursors and were just organisms that were similar/modified by the android, then it's the same argument where they are different than the organisms in other films. In regard to Newts impregnation, there's a theory that she was impregnated before Ripley ever got to her and that's why the Xenos left her alive and left her alone all that time. And this is either part of the same theory or a different theory, but I read somewhere that people were saying a queen embryo can sense another queen and it won't hatch until it's far enough away so that they don't fight over territory.
i thought this was a good 3rd film ... much like the 1st that its 1 alien up against a group with practically no means of fighting it, it doesnt go crazy like a 3rd of a trilogy often does, it stayed very simple. it was tragic, and said all the way, just like alien. i think it was good. yes 4 was garbage
SO TRUE Yet people defend Alien 3 like its The Last Jedi. JUST WAIT 5Years from now. people will say Last Jedi did NEW and DIFFERENT things. just like how people defend Alien 3 for being different by killing half the cast off in the FIRST 5mins of the film SLEEPING!!! NO JUST NO! I CANNOT Agree with Alien 3 Fox ruined it. David Fincher HATED doing it. even the Director who did that peice of shit hated it. and if a Director hated making a Film...its BAD
Yeah, TLJ did NEW and DIFFERENT things, that doesn't mean that those things were good. To even call them subpar would be insulting the term subpar in my opinion.
I thought it was a suitcase (I don't keep up with what the new ones look like)so I just put it on the ship what do you ppl want I just get paid 8.75 an hour and my wife is cheating on me with a robot
And also, if Newt was infected before the events of Aliens and eventually found, it means the gestation period of the Alien embryo is erratic. This doesn't make sense to me as the general idea is that the embryo develops quickly. First example is Covenant, although it varies in other media as well. Newt showed no signs of infection when she was alive.
I agree. I did wonder whether an explaination could lie in the fact that it was a queen embyro. It may be the case that queen xenomorphs emit pheromones (or similar) preventing or retarding the gestation of other potential queens. Such embryos might be able to lie dormant in hosts, and only develop when they are sufficiently far away from an existing queen.
You're not alone, mate... And the music that plays during that scene really HITS you hard in the *feels* (reminds me so much of the people that I knew who had their lives cut short). :,/
Maybe Bebi yes the music does add to the intensity of that scene. It’s scary to think about how newt might have already been infested while on board. From all comics novels and games about this universe, shows how no one can escape death and become victorious forever dealing with the xenos.
Maybe Bebi I don’t know how to feel about the colonial aliens game. I like the alien earth hive outcome of hicks and newt. I really wish alien 3 could have adapted the novels into the movie
I actually liked *Aliens: Colonial Marines*. The game was pretty fun for me despite in noticeable imperfections. And it did contributed some very useful information to the lore, like, why it's fatal to remove the alien embryo from an infected host (like the WY surgeon said: "It's like a 'cancer' that roots itself onto the organs, and removing it would slowly shutdown all organs killing the host."). I was glad to see that Hicks survived (in the game's own canon, of course). There are numerous adaptations from books, comics and games that contradict each-other, but it's up to us, the fans, to have fun connecting them and choose our own personal canon- for me... Colonial Marines is canon (Hicks was a great character who didn't deserve to be killed-of like that in ALIEN 3). I definitely enjoyed ALIEN ISOLATION as well!
My theory is that eggs with queen embryos are specially kept as a species survival subject. When the Queen left the hive to hunt down Ripley, she picked it up one with another guardian egg because aliens were smart to detect a possible anhilation situation like it happen in the first movie. The Queen then concealed the eggs before engaging the humans in the Sulacco in case she gets destroyed.
Wasn't one of the two other cryostasis beds (not Ripley's) obviously breached by the facehugger, which sets Ripley on the hunt for the Alien in the first place. Hicks was impaled in the crash landing, and Newt's body was examined by Ripley and the doctor on Fury and found to be uninfected. Ripley's cryostasis bed was intact. So, the only way for her to be inpregnated with an egg would have been, well, when? If there was an alien other than the queen on board the Sulago, then one would think the ship's sensors would have detected it. But....Bishop, confirms that there was an alien on board "all the way," which points to the idea that the Wayland corp was still working covertly to preserve a specimen. Still, none of this really explains how or when Ripley was impregnated. The facehugger that was injured and stsrts the fire apparently didn't impregnate Newt or Hicks. And as I stated earlier, Ripley's CSB was not breached (at least not in a way that was obvous). I don't have acess to the films, so I'm going by memory, but it would seem that there is still no logical explanation for how Ripley was impregnated
You completely explain how I feel about it too... I mean, we see flashes of the facehugger going for someone at the start of the film, who would that be? I would propose Ripley was infected on the beach but idk
Thanks for another fantastic video. The idea with "royal facehugger" is great and creative. Alien 3 was too different and dark compared to previous Alien films. Despite that I adore Alien 3 as much as Alien and Aliens. All 3 films were different and brought something new & fresh to the table. Even Resurrection was unique in its own way. This franchise will always be my #1
irina1296 AGREED! The first 3 films are a perfect trilogy Alien 3 is unlike any other film I have seen. The sense of loss and hopelessness is fresh and bold. No it wasn’t what I wanted for the characters but that’s the point. Xenomorph is like the acid in its veins. It destroys everything that it comes into contact with
Alien 3 gets a bad rap, but it's not a bad movie (that would be Alien 4) and the alternate cut is actually a good movie in my opinion, it's no Alien 1 or 2, but that was lighting in a bottle, having a movie, and its sequel both so amazing, there was just so much going on behind the scenes, 3 have been a lot better
As a big Alien/Aliens fan I don't really like 4... Alien 4 should have been what 5 was going to be. Make 3 out to be a bad dream or an alternative universe and pick up 4 with Hicks & Newt again... maybe they'll still do that but Sigourney and Biehn are getting old... 😕
It was many years ago but I feel like I remember seeing a special cut of Alien 3 where at the beginning you actually see 2 (open) eggs, one on the roof and one on the ground. Gah I wish I could find it so I know I'm not crazy!
So after this video I went back and watched Aliens and Alien3 again. I'm torn between something here. I feel like Newt couldn't have been impregnated because when she was in the hive at the end she was clearly placed with a lone egg that opened up to impregnate her before Ripley showed up. Had she been impregnated before that (like the Dog Alien sensed) I feel the xenomorphs would have sensed she was carrying and left her alone. But then I got to thinking....shes the lone survivor? Of everyone? Maybe the xenos WERE leaving her alone and sh*t only hit the fan when the marines showed up and attracted the hive. Maybe Newt was taken into the hive and kept so the embryo inside her could be safe. It doesn't explain the egg fully but perhaps the egg opened early because it sensed either Ripley was near or the Queen was in danger and the eggs instinctively open and scurry for survival? Either way, it's all in how you take it. I can tell you though for sure I think Newt surviving had a lot more to do with her just being sneaky.
In this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MZWvsIBrfxM.html at 1:07 Ive always found the way Rebecca just stares and doesnt say anything all A bit suspicious, and Hick's Backwards roll at 2:04 is cool, but i'm sure that Alien would have dripped Acid on him then and there.
You're right. She's very calm there. As if she knows she has nothing to worry about almost. Strange I never noticed that before. What with all the action going on. Here's this little girl staring at certain death like it's coming for everyone but her. I'm even more convinced she's impregnated now than ever. Good observation!!
Also, wasn't Newts' father the first one impregnated with an alien? He would have bursted the first xeno. Meaning her family would have been in the middle of it from the beginning. She could have easily been impregnated early on and left to gestate a new queen.
Good point! Actually it might make perfect sense. Maybe her being a child made her a prime candidate for a queen host? Who knows. But you're right. Her family was patient zero so the thought that Newt would be the last man standing so to say is pretty hard to believe. Of course she lasted on her own for weeks before the marines came. This is why I love these damn movies. You can sit here for hours debating the hows and whys.
I know what you mean...it's confusing. So we know the dog alien came from a face hugger getting a hold of the dog on fury161. That much is known as we clearly see the birthing of the alien. So now we know that, we also know Ripley had the queen inside her as well. So any way you look at it there was two eggs on the Sulaco. The scans in the opening credits did show a facehugger on someone. With all the above acknowledged I tend to believe that there was at least two eggs, or perhaps a lose facehugger with an egg on the Sulaco. The more I think about it the more I contradict my own thoughts...this is confusing. I hate to chalk it up to plot holes. But this really is confusing.
So I just re-watched Aliens last night and I think it would have had to have been a royal facehugger. When Ripley goes back into the coolant hive to find Newt, we see an egg opening in front of her encasement. This was clearly intended to impregnate her with an embryo. Ripley saves the day, sparing her that fate. IF Newt had already been impregnated by an Alien Queen previous to the Marines arrival at Hadley's Hope, then it doesn't make sense for the egg to have been placed there upon her capture, as she would have already been a host.
then why did the royal facehugger stop at two hosts? how did it bleed on newt's cryo tube but not burn Ripley's face? how did it even get into Ripley's cryo tube since it was intact?
@@S0RELOSER first statement: probably second: because some wounds never heal, but this one maybe did. After all the very first facehugger in Alien also stopped bleeding. third: good point!
@@im3phirebird81 How did such an egg position itself above the cryotubes? That would have been in plain sight before entering hypersleep. How could the queen have brought it with her? She ripped off her ovipositor to pursue Ripley, and was not carrying an egg during the pursuit.
@@toddbonny3708 Then again, the queen was also not visible on the dropship when it left Hadley's hope xD Idk man, I thought Alien 3 was as much forced to happen as Terminator 3 was.
@@toddbonny3708 Excellent and underrated question/analysis of egg position. WHY is it up there, and HOW is it fixed in place? Alien "Goo"? Could a full-sized Queen even fit in those small spaces? For years, I've been thinking about only the height/angle of the egg, but not the view from hypersleep area. Need to review this. Or...SHIPPING RIPLEY AND BURKE, AND THEIR SECRET SABOTAGE THAT FAILED!
I have another hypothesis- in the med bay in aliens Ridley goes to Bishop to see if he’s learned anything while dissecting a face hugger. He says not yet and there’s a stack of crates to his left. Ripken asks what are those and Bishop says that Burke gave him orders to learn all he could and than gather the rest for further research. It’s possible that Bishop although a good robot was also under orders to take samples and store them on the sulaco even after Burke’s death-to complete his orders and in those crates there was face huggers and other data and possibly more(eggs) and they were used on them during part 2 and 3. Not saying Bishop deliberately killed them but by bringing them on board and by accident they were impregnated.
See, this makes sense... except that the egg in the movie is laid upside down in an alcove. Unlikely Bishop put it there in that way. They'd still be packed. Bishop didn't have time to unpack them before the Queen took Bishop, and he certainly wasn't in a state to unpack them after! But I really like your thinking and much prefer it to some of the nonsense that's used to 'fix' what is, ultimately, just an error and bad screenwriting.
I also agree and what if bishop was on orders from the company as well. Look at his journey to pilot the other drop ship down. Then he had leave to recircle back around.... bishop could have left back to the sulaco dropped the eggs off under orders then get back to pick up ripley and newt.
Bishop wasn't even in one piece when reboarding the Sulaco. The queen got him almost right away, so no possibility that Bishop planted anything. At the very least, he wouldn't have put the egg in an EEV.
@@hillaryclintonsracistkaras1720 I hated covenant but after barely getting past an hour and half on Aliens 3 assembly cut I now give covenant the credit it deserves. The version I watched of aliens 3 just didn't drag as much that was probably the theatrical release.
Newt was captured and nearly impregnated on-screen on Aliens, it doesn't make sense for her to be attacked by a facehugger a second time if she's already carrying an embryo.
Not to mention the first time we see a face hugger attacking Newt, setup by Burke in the med bay. A full grown Xenomorph can smell an embryo in a host but a face hugger, who's sole purpose is to impregnate, cannot tell if someone is already carrying?
The answer is Bishop. While he may have been a "good" android, I get the sense that his "secret" programming was much the same as Alien 1. Notice that in Aliens (aka Alien 2), when Ripley descents the elevator to rescue Newt she comes back up the elevator and Bishop has disappeared (along with the drop ship?). This time-gap allows more than enough time for Bishop to store an Egg aboard the Emergency pod/ship. While the opening sequence to Alien 3 does only show one egg, that does not definitively mean that there couldn't have been a 2nd egg that Bishop stored, or a live facehugger itself (we dont know how long they can survive outside of their egg, but the Med Bay scene in Alien 1 and the Infirmary scene in Alien 2 suggest at least a few hours. More than enough time for Ripley, Hicks, and Newt to cryosleep while it waits and hides. There is also a significant portion of time from when Bishop accesses the COMs satellite to remote-control the dropship. What was he doing during the time he was waiting for the dropship to reach the surface? If he could remote control the drop ship, could he also remote control the Rescue/emergency pod? If so, perhaps that explains not only how the egg(s) got onto that ship, but also WHY the ship lands at the prison in the Alien 3 movie. Perfect location: inmates are "expendable" and "undefended", and under government jurisdiction, while not directly have any government persons there to Witness the Corporate taking the organism at the end.
Bishop didn't plant the egg on the ship because if you see in the opening of Alien 3, the egg was attached to the ceiling, as if a Xenomorph stuck it there. If Bishop was the one who brought the egg on the ship, then he would have placed it on the ground.
He wasn't a hyperdyne system 120 a2 model. They were always twitchy. Bishop wasn't. He has behavioral Inhibitors that prevent him from allowing a human to be harmed. So screw your theory. Bishop was a good guy.
@@juanausensi499 easy, the Xenos want to spread and multiply. They know/sense Bishop cannot be a host, but he isnt a threat to them either. The Xenos guard the queen, not necessarily the eggs. The eggs are designed to be left behind dormant and activate in the presence of a viable host. Bishop being near them wouldnt activate them. Definitely a viable counter-point. I guess we will never know for sure, but it is fun to think about and I think my theory not only gives Bishop more depth-of-character, but also explains those missing minutes when Ripley arrives at the top of the elevator and Bishop isnt there with the ship. Like, there is no reason for him to have left and come back otherwise.
I always thought the start of this film was silly. These ships have a fire alarm that immediately ejects everyone on board, instead of just waking the sleeping crew, or just moving them to a safe area while it vents the air to put the fire out. They must lose a lot of these warships due to someone forgetting to extinguish a cigarette or unplug the toaster before cryo sleep.
@@kylegraham7363 Well there is still no reason to do so. The cryo pods are air tight, it could simply pump out all of the air in the areas of the sip where the fire is, and put it out, then wake the crew after to do repairs. Marooning them on a prison colony seems a bit of an over reaction to a small onboard electrical fire.
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I think Newt was infected when she was taken to the Hive, suffered the same memory loss that happened to Cain. Ripley's heroic rescue was in vain. The queen laid one egg prior to revealing itself for battle between it & Ripley. I'm a new subscriber & I have to say I'm very impressed with your work. The 1st video I watched was the Nostromo Revisited. That was Awesome. Just as good as the movie Alien. All i can say is you should be in Hollywood. Again. Well Done!
the egg was not located in an area of the Sulaco where the queen had been. she had only been in that one room with ripley after getting off the drop ship. if anything the egg should have been in the landing gear of the drop ship, yet that's not where it was depicted. also we don't know if the queen is capable of laying eggs without an ovipositor. The eggs are so large that she clearly doesn't keep fully formed eggs inside of her body directly. mostly likely they grow larger as they travel through the ovipositor and are eventually pushed out. if she could have fully formed eggs inside her, then she wouldn't need her ovipositor in the first place.
Newt started screaming at the one egg with the facehugger coming out of it like she had never seen it. If she had been impregnated before that, why would a facehugger be interested in hugging her face again? Are there facehugger orgies? I think facehuggers can detect who is impregnated or not
Honestly, after pointing out these details, it does make the whole trilogy tragic. It makes even Alien 3 more poignant that Ripley with all her efforts could not save the day. Tragic hero.
I'm in the Royal Hugger camp. The xenomorph is an extremely utilitarian creature. There's no way in hell they'd leave a fledgling queen without a guard. So it's either a hugger with two embryos or an egg with two huggers
I would assume a queen would take longer to grow so a facehugger with 2 embryos is what I think. It lays the queen first then a guard that will mature faster and have time to prepare a nest.
After watching your videos on the Accounts of the Earth War, I honestly wish that Alien 3 was retconned for that story. Great job, and keep up the good work.
But the post-mortem in the film suggests nothing but drowning. Which came first, the film or the comic adaptation? The queen escaping from Newt's throat and the trauma it caused during gestation would have been apparent, no?
Pretty sure it's explained by the obvious larger queen/royal facehugger that is different to normal ones in that it can lay multiple embryos (the first being a new queen) and doesnt die until its final embryo has been laid. I believe the longer gestation of the queen embryo is completely by design as she is bigger and more complex and it also gives the other warrior alien time grow to full size and eliminate any immediate threats in the area before the new queen is born. Remember that the alien is all about extreme survival, possibly able to adapt its own reproductive process on the fly as it senses its own survival situation.
The real question; why is this video being recommended to me after two years, when I've never had any interest in the Alien universe? Either way, here i am, and good video 👍
Unless she layed it and it hatched while they were getting ready for cryo sleep. I like the theory that the queen brought a royal facehugger with her in case something happens to her since she knew the hive was going to be destroyed.
@G123 the alien queen egg would have to be unique. It would probably carry one in its body and only lay it under stress. Probably in the landing gear of the drop ship.
I grew up with Alien 3, and I've loved the movie ever since, however as of recently I've been starting to grow new feelings towards it... I really miss Newt, and Hicks, and Bishop, and Ripley, and I would love to see this "family" go on intergalactic adventures together blasting bugs to infinity and beyond!
Man does the background music ever give off the sensation of sadness. I'll never forget it after watching Alien 3. So frustrating and disappointing it was with they did with Hicks and Newt in that film. Awesome video as always AT.
Hollywood loves when fans of their films try to fill in the holes they left in their movies. As much as we can try to explain certain things logically in the end truthfully, the writers producers and directors just didn't care enough to address this plot conflict. We need to be writing the stories and scripts.
In my opinion, the facehugger probably had an additional sense so that it " knew" that Ripley by her particularly aggressive nature had certain elements in her DNA which would be nessessary to instill in the queen to insure that those inherited traits would assure her survival under virtually any circumstances..
I’ve said this before. Alien 3 is the perfect way to end Ripley’s story. The xenomorph took everything from her. It killed her crew from the Nostromo. Those events robbed her of her daughter. And ultimately the xenomorph would take her life. As for the Queen Ripley was carrying and how the egg got aboard the Sulaco. The Queen brought it with her, or at least brought a royal facehugger on board. This facehugger was then able to cocoon itself in an egg-like form to hide during the chaos of the battle between Ripley and the Queen, and later “hatch” itself. It attempted to get to Newt but injured itself, causing the fire which begun the evacuation of the cryo tubes, and then moved on and successfully got to Ripley. It remained attached to Ripley during the EEV arrival on Fury-161, thus preventing her from drowning. When Ripley was discovered on the beach on Fury-161, the facehugger had already detached itself and was looking for a second host.
YES! A theory that works. Not to say that the major plot holes don't exist - They DO. But, this works and could be put into the film version easily. The story was missing too much background info in beginning of movie. Just flashes and bishop being of little help pulling the plot together. Could be awesome flash back and narrative. Love it.
I kind of disagree. I honestly think that the second movie is the perfect ending to Ripley's story, and the third film onward should have focused on a completely new set of characters to expand the universe.
Or, you know that during the second movie, Ripley kelpt having nightmares which promted her to go with the Marines to kill the xenomorphs, then when it was all over, Nute asked Ripley "will I dream?" Then Ripley replied "Mabe we both will" Let part 3 be one big dream that Ripley had ( or Nute), and go with part 4.
Its hard to tell. When we first see Newt in the hive, as she awakens we see an egg open, which we all assumed at the time was meant for her impregnation. Not convinced that Newt was carrying a queen but the theory alone is haunting and sad. Excellent video as always.
I believe that Nute might have actually been a survivor from the surgery of the face hugger removal but was still impregnated, however the embryo of the queen was still planted but not completely because of the removal so therefore it took longer for the queen embryo to reach the chest where it could grow and then when it finally did Ripely and Nute had finally gone into the Cryo-stasis chamber and put to sleep, and then that’s where the events of Alien 3 takes place
The good thing about Alien 3 was it managed to keep the atmosphere of 1 and 2, but I didn't like how the Queen Alien layed a egg on the ship, it just didn't sit right with me, not to mention how they just dropped Hicks and Newt, like they didn't even matter anymore.
I've always assumed that it was either 1) a "super facehugger" that can impregnate at least two hosts, one with a queen and one with a drone to protect it, or 2) two separate eggs on the Sulaco (just because only one is shown doesn't mean there couldn't have been another), and thus two facehuggers, one that impregnates Ripley with a queen, and the other that makes it down to Fury 161 and impregnates the dog. I think explanation 1 is the simplest, and the one for which there's the most evidence in the film (including alternate cuts). I don't know what the novelization is trying to do with describing a facehugger trying to break open Newt's hypersleep chamber and dying(?) in the process (besides retconing the shots of a facehugger stalking her chamber and its glass cracking). (Also, what happens after that? If that facehugger dies trying to impregnate Newt, where does the queen and runner come from? Does the novelization describe more facehuggers?) The comic book's explanation of Newt actually being impregnated with the queen, which then transfers to Ripley when she dies, is even more ridiculous. These only create more plot holes or stretch the limits of the alien's biology way too far. Even the super facehugger theory doesn't completely answer some questions raised by the opening sequence, like how Newt's hypersleep chamber is cracked, whose human blood is shown spreading, and how acid blood was spilled (though since we know that facehuggers can secrete acid, at least that's not too hard to explain). I'm afraid that it was just very poorly thought through, whether that's the fault of the writers, director, or the editors, or some combination of them. No amount of fan theorizing is going to make it consistent. It's a shame, because I really do like Alien 3. I understand why fans would hate it for killing off Hicks and Newt so unceremoniously, but I think that is consistent with Ripley's character arc: She is condemned to fight the alien--alone--until she dies. It's more powerful that way. It's fun to imagine what it would have been like had Hicks and Newt lived, but I don't like how much it would inevitably change Ripley as a character. She's a lone wolf. And I like a lot of things about Alien 3's concept, and think that on its own it's a well done film. And for me, it's always been a part of the alien universe, and it would be like an act of violence to just retcon it out of existence.
The comic version makes no sense because the embryo is too big at that point to move down a windpipe and locate in the chest cavity as it would mortally kill the host. In Alien the embryo grows in the location or better yet, the cells pass through the lung tissue and bond to the chest cavity wall. This way the host stays alive and breaths normal until the creature emerges. The bigger problem here is and was that they show only one egg but there are TWO face huggers. The one that impregnates Ripley and the one that gets the Dog/Ox. Remember, they show the full un webbed fingers at the beginning of the movie. Then the image of the facehugger in the EEV and then one in the cart with webbed fingers after they tie up the ox.
Unlike a lot of people- I am a fan of Alien3 (the plot is ridiculous, but sigourney’s ripley was amazing.... just how her character seemed so defeated while needing to be strong was amazing). But I agree- some of these plot holes were REALLY bad. This being one of the worst
I am in the camp of Alien 3 not being canon. There is ZERO way for that egg to be on the Sulaco. The Queen ripped off here egg sack and had nothing with her when she chased Ripley and had nothing when it came out from the drop ship. There was not enough time for Bishop to go get a egg from somewhere be it the nest or from the derelict then make it back to Ripley and Newt to rescue them. The whole movie plot revolves around a giant plot hole and I don't just accept that studio's "you just have to accept there is a egg on the Sulaco " argument because it makes ZERO sense.
Except Newt couldn't have been... ☝️In Aliens, Newt was rescued as Ripley defended her TWICE. First by fighting the released facehugger in medlab.. again later from a designated facehugger while she was resin-encased and ready for impregnating. These happened _on-screen with no ambiguity._ ✌Later in Alien3, Newt drowned "asleep in her cryotube" with no evidence of trauma to the tissues of the throat or chest; thus never having a gestating alien inside. The autopsy is performed _on screen with NO ambiguity._ (Even if she had been impregnated prior to the Aliens events, and the aliens _were_ willing to re-implant her,🤯, as some delusional headcanoners suggest; something should show up in autopsy if an immature drone/queen CLAWED its way up and out of a little girl's throat!) 😢It's mostly just poor screenwriting and people _desperately_ looking to justify it years after the fact with comics and loopy headcanon explanations. It's not unlike the fan reaction to recent StarWars and StarTrek. The comics and paperbacks valiantly try to repair the damage inflicted by the movies but it just. doesn't. work. Simply put, Alien3 is a movie full of plot errors due to various causes and turned out with a pretty bad theatrical release. The assembly cut put a nice polish on the turd but it's still a turd.
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Alien Theory I actually held on covenant and prometheus because of all I heard about it. But for sure it was your videos delving into the universe here that made me complete my collection and really see what's happening in this world. I had a better context as well going into it that I think helped me understand everything that's was really happining.
The real problem with that happened on the Sulaco comes down to continuity errors during the making of the film. For instance, if Newt's cryo glass is cracked in the opening credits, why is the tube intact when we see her drowned body minutes later? There is a clear shot of blood running on a white shirt, but Newt was wearing a dark green army shirt, meaning this is most likely Hicks' chest birthing an alien (the subsequent damage to his body from the safety support obscuring any evidence of this happening) We see two distinct Facehuggers in both versions of the film: a regular on in the Theatrical Cut, and the Royal in the Special Edition. Since Fincher's original concept was the Royal hugger, we should lean towards this version. But thanks to constant last-minute rewrites and reshoots, it is ultimately ambiguous.
But where's the OTHER egg for hicks? And when did he get implanted? Wouldn't another face hugger suffer the same fate as the 1 that tried to penetrate newts cryo tube?
I am a huge Alien fan and always will be. My dad took me to see Alien in 1979 when I was 6 and it was mesmerizing and terrifying, I was hooked. The only issue I have with the Alien movies is the difference in gestation time the Alien takes to bust out and grow to full size, they are so inconsistent.
There’s still so much footage deleted that didn’t make it into the assembly cut. I would love a third version released with new footage and updated effects. If George Lucas can add blinking Ewoks and CGI Jabba the Hutt to Star Wars surely Fox can throw some of that Disney money towards a special edition of Alien 3.
That would be a cool idea. There are some really bad cg scenes of the dog alien. The movie came out right when that stuff was making its way into the movies. I'm normally very anti redo as I think the original is what it is and should be left alone. But it would be something to see the dog alien in its full glory done in current day graphics.
Actually the alien was a puppet filmed in front of blue screen and composited into the live action scenes (I actually thought it was cgi too until I saw a behind the scenes of the film). I believe the only cgi was when the alien had molten lead poured on it. Agreed though, it still looks like crap.
No kidding? I knew they used puppets but I didn't know that's how they did that. I thought the scenes where it was running around in the lead works was CG. I guess that explains why it looked to awkward. It's funny how sometimes less is more. Alien and Aliens never had any such issue because they used suited people and the xenomorph was actually there.
Which is why Alien 3 will be ignored in the franchise. Two possible ways an egg could have gotten onto the Sulaco, it was either the alien queen or Bishop. One of them had ample time to smuggle an egg on board. My bet would be on Bishop, because he could have gone anywhere after leaving the group through that pipeline. He may even have managed to hide an egg on board the second dropship. No real fault of Bishop's because he was instructed by his company masters through his subroutines to do so.
Considering how much of an explanation Bishop gave as to why he was different than Ash, this works. He said he was "Incapable of causing harm, or allowing harm to come to humans" which may be true in his mainline programming. Also a very good way for the Company to "convince" Ripley he was safe to have around. There's no reason a subroutine of Bishops couldn't have been "when/if the chance arises, subroutine 'collect Alien lifeform' takes over when he is left alone, albeit with no knowledge of his own. Like a temporary switch in programming not registered or remembered by his mainline programming. Also why he never said anything later on when he was back with the rest of the group.
My theory is and still remains Bishop plants it while Ripley goes to rescue Newt. That was why he was late getting to the rendezvous at the platform. There are subtle clues to be read into his face as he studies the facehugger in the lab.
I honestly never thought about the Bishop angle, because in the movie they make him out to be a good guy, not like Ash, but again he's a machine, and if he has some kind of hidden/sleeper programming he's going to do what he's programmed to do, even if part of him doesn't want to, Heck it could be kind of like multiple personality in a human, he might not even remember doing it... apparently I've seen too much of the Westworld TV show. ;)
David is another prime example of why you can never fully trust a machine. He too in his own charming way was wicked. I mean, he killed Dr. Shaw and a whole race of people.
Is everyone forgetting how Burke planted a couple face huggers in the med bay, half-way through Aliens? If Newt was impregnated before Ripley and the Marines ever showed up, why was that face hugger so determined to plant itself on Newt's face? It was obviously going for Newt at the climax of that scene.
I guess the theory of newt being inpregnated before being rescued by ripley is a pretty good one,...but if that was the case the egg in front of newt while she was cocooned shouldn't have opened,since the egg xenomorphs opens when a viable host is around,...still is a pretty good one,...the queen transference I like too,...too bad their is no confirmation on what really happened on the sulaco
Zero Nova mmm,...could be,...mmm you got me thinking there,...she was not very close though,...it was when she heard Newt scream she went running,...but still it is plausible,....scraching my head😂
Ben Hill Zero Nova I guess it depends on what version of Alien 3 we see,...a lot of misteries with this one...I still love alien 3 for being different,...who gives a fuck if this one is horrible,...is not.I even loved Resurrection.So let's just be fans of this awesome universe
A.G. Jaxx Exactly! Newt wasnt impregnated by a facehugger at all in either the Extended Cut or Theatrical releases of AlienS. She screams out loud when she sees the facehugger slowly emerge from its egg and Ripely arrives in nick of time and shoots it up. So never happened feasibly, except sort of the way they showed in Alien 3s opening titles sequence.
A.G. Jaxx I completely agree with you on this. The egg wouldn't have opened up because newt was already impregnated and eggs only open when there is a (fresh host) available for impregnating. Ripley hadn't got to newt yet she heard her screaming at the opening egg.
thought there was 2 facehuggers, normal and royal the face hugger on the cryo you see dosnt have the webbing , neither does the one after the crash, but you see it later, i realize these scenes are from 2 different versions of the movie but it just seems strange
My question is if Newt was already had an embryo inside her how come in aliens when she awoke in the hive the face hugger was emerging from its egg. (Presumably to attach to Newt)
@Ben Hill Or then its about laziness of audiences imagination. No wonder we get nowadays so much pure BS movies. Like everything would need to be explained. ...Or Newt was impregnated already before Marines rescued her, but left alone because she had queen embryo inside her (that one by non-canonic comic which then moved to Ripley onboard of Sulaco). The hive with queen doesn't need another when there are scarcity of prey present. Instead, it may be better leave that new queen there where its likely to get to contacts with new prey and/or get transferred to another environment. In such environment it maybe useful to delay the development of embryo. Eggs can store facehuggers alive in a state of dormancy very long in proper environment. Why not delaying embryo's growth to chestburster also? Regardless of details, the "plan to spread" was successful, at least until Fiorina-161.
I think that there was only 1 egg and newt was never infected. There would have been trauma evidence discovered when they did her autopsy. The face hugger has been established in cannon to keep a host alive after it attaches as was seen with Kane back in alien after it burned through his helmet in an environment which he would have suffocated. I think the face hugger damaged newts pod (leading to her drowning) and you can see that in the film with the acid burn. Whats ignored is Ripley's shattered tube. Ripley didn't drown because the facehugger was attached and prevented her death, then detached and implanted in the dog / ox (depending on movie or book).
I have to agree with others here. That simply a poor plot devise wad used to continue the franchise. And comic books and other media are bad excuses to explain bad writing in film. We should never have to refer to other puclications after the release of any film to explain it. A solid movie starts with solid writing.
Alien 3 was a let down: killing loved characters at the start and a poor rehash of the first movie that adds nothing to the lore. The franchise never returned to greatness after this
I’m hoping that if Alien 5 (Neil Blomkamp’s purported film) gets made it will right the wrongs that 3 and Resurrection made. I’m not counting what Ridley did with his masturbatory prequel lore films (though David is a brilliant character and I’m not naming those films). Supposedly the idea with his was to bring Ripley and Hicks back.
I do prefer the novelization; to the actual film. Which feels like a weird thing to say, because the source *should* be better by default but it's not. Same with the novelization of Alien Resurrection. In book form there was more room to give the characters actual . . . you know . . . personality. Motivations. Their histories better explored.
The only thing that makes any sense at all is that Newt was impregnated before Ripley rescued her back on LV 426, then frozen for the trip home, so no she never had a chance. But the egg on the Sulaco l, the facehugger that impregnated Ripley with the queen and the one that bled, and crashed the Sulaco was the one on Newt, a "special one," cut itself and mortally wounded itself on its way out of Newt's chamber. Then I can see all the stuff they wrote in.
If you check Dark Horse's original Aliens comics (Outbreak/Nightmare Asylum/Earth War), all published before Alien 3, you can get a better version of happened after Aliens :p
@@jbac5767 nah, a lot of us folks who saw Aliens when it was new and had Alien around as one of those spooky flicks to watch with friends before that are completely willing to accept the Dark Horse comics version of things and give the bird to Alien3 and 4. 3 depended upon a "magic egg" or "time jumps and interference", none of which were explained well enough to make any sense to the wiser members of the audience. The video games even got that stuff better than that sad flick did, by at least trying to make them fit in without Ripley being an utter moron (she clearly would have done a full inspection of the Sulaco before going to hypersleep, so any idea she missed an egg is BS on all levels). Meh... better to just ignore 3 and 4 altogether.
@@jbac5767 Prometheus was really good, and Covenant sadly was aimed more at the popcorn audience so it failed to continue with the story. Anybody can do a crazy android story... didn't really need another one. :D Hopefully they can continue the story more along the lines of Prometheus. This series was never meant as an action series.
I don't like Alien 3 because is leaves serious plot holes in the series. How could the queen alien lay eggs after she detached herself from the egg sack. That doesn't make any sense if she is has life cycle like insects. They just conveniently put an egg on the ship just to continue the horror, but they didn't care about continuity.
No, it’s lazy writing for Alien 3 . There was no way the queen left an egg on the ship and where it was placed. Also, how did the facehugger open the doors on the way to the cryo-chamber.
Sorry, but there's no way to logically overcome bad scriptwriting with continuity errors. The fact remains that there is no possible way that an alien egg could've gotten aboard the Sulaco. The screenwriters pushed an illogical plot twist through just so they could make a sequel. The original idea for Alien 3 was closer to Starship Troopers with xenomorphs, but the special effects technology did not exist at the time to make it logistically feasible. So they settled on the Fury 161 storyline, although it made no sense whatsoever, and callously killed off Newt and Hicks, making everything that Ripley accomplished in Aliens a complete waste. It's just a bad, bad movie.
What’s with the hate, 3 was one of my favorite alien movies, sure the other ones were better but alien 3 was the scariest in my opinion, 2 was my favorite though
I always just thought that the queen laid and concealed 2 eggs in the sulaco. The sulaco was not small, and the survivors had enough sleep deprivation they did not check the ship inch by inch. I never thought it was a mystery until the internet.
Wait! what about the cutscene in Aliens colonial marines where hicks was awaken from hypersleep by Samwell Stone & Turk, but when a firefight erupts between them & the USS Legato, Turk was knocked into Hick's cryotube and sealed inside was subsequently lauched aboard the departing EEV, along with Ripley with the facehugger attached to her face, Newt & Bishop. Just saying -\_( "/ )_/-
@Alien Theory Seriously, people SHOULDN'T get mad over something like that. I know A:CM was a huge disappointment to fans (I played it myself and enjoyed it for what it added to the lore)- but it at least contributed some answers, like, as to why removing an Alien embryo from an infected host is 90% fatal, because it's like removing cancer that damages the organs due to it being rooted in them. Both CM and Isolation contributed well to the franchise despite their imperfections.
@Alien Theory As far as the fan's getting upset, so what? Fan's want to get riled up and defend there franchise now and again, and your job is to present all the facts and aspects, regardless. Great work.
The queen laid 2 eggs in the landing gear area of the drop ship. Once everyone was in cryosleep, they hatched and made their way to the cryosleep area. I believe the queen face hugger went after Ripley, while the normal face hugger went after Newt. Since the queen face hugger is more powerful, and possibly smarter, it was able to gain access to Ripley using a drop or two of its acid blood to burn a hole in Ripley's cryosleep lid and then rip its way in to infect her. That would account for the time it would have taken for the queen face hugger to infect Ripley before the normal face hugger accidentally started a fire, and was ejected from the Sulaco in the escape pod with the people. The normal face hugger then rode down to Fury aboard the escape pod where it infected the dog. It's too bad Alien 3 is so poorly regarded. It had lots of potential. I think it would have been much better if Hicks had lived, and he had been the one to drop Ripley into the molten lead, and he had been the last man standing instead of a whack job prisoner. We could have gotten a love scene between Hicks and Ripley too.
I welcome all of the theories that attempt to explain this particular conundrum, but the actual truth is that what happens in Alien 3 is simply a product of poor writing and the film's troubled production. Nevertheless, the wealth of theories confirms that Alien 3 has built a considerable cult status and fan base which will grow with age.
Newt was infected prior to Ripley and the Marine's arrival, that's why she wasn't dead yet. You surely can't believe that they killed over 70 families, but were unable to touch an 8 or 9 year old girl? She was carrying the new queen since before we ever met her.
No that's illogical. First of all, all colonists who got impregnated were attached to the resin walls unable to move, so why would Newt be any different? Also at the end of the second movie Newt got trapped in the resin and an egg was about to open and impregnate her, but Ripley arrived just in time to save her. There can't be another alien pregnancy if Newt was already carrying a queen. Last but not least, in Alien 3 they open Newt's chest and she wasn't carrying any alien
Simple narrative ellipsis. If you put a hen in a box, let it out later, and find an egg inside, one can reasonably guess what happened. The egg-laying xeno was on the Sulaco, later an egg was present; she must've lain it there. "But the queen can't lay eggs without her ovipositor." Yes, she can; Alien 3 (a canon story) told us so by showing us the egg. It is accepted screenwriting practice to create new rules, lucky breaks, and retroactive continuity elements that benefit the antagonist in order to maintain or increase difficulty and danger for the protagonist. "The queen didn't have time to get to the locker room and back." An unspecified amount of time passes between the moment that the dropship touches down and the moment that the characters exit it. Also, the compartment shown could be anywhere, including just below the hangar deck plating; we've no reason to believe that it is, indeed, the same locker room previously seen (within the narrative; obviously it is the same set). "Facehuggers can only lay one embryo apiece." Kane was in isolation when his parasite detached and it clearly lived long enough to climb into the overhead recess, probably dying right before dropping onto Ripley's shoulder, since she did nothing to dislodge it. It appears that a facehugger will die without a host or amniotic environment (original egg or stasis tube, e.g.), but there's no reason to believe that the creature is absolutely incapable of implanting more than one host. Any number of different events could have transpired between the glimpses offered in Alien 3's opening sequence. I consider it one of the film's strengths that Ripley is not so preoccupied with a complete explanation of what happened, as it would've bogged down the story. I'm quite happy with the stellar "We're fucked" montage and certain puzzle pieces being left to the imagination.
