Even though we have said like a billion times that we can do this legally, we still get tons of comments about how we are going to get rolled up by the cops. Especially the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Their mighty oppressive ways are going to get us sooner or later for sure. Jake is busy working on some new projects but always wants input on new ideas. We love to hear them! Be sure to leave a comment on what you want to see.
@@spankthemonkey3437they’re WORTH around $100/each from what I’ve been able to gather. The actual sale price would be determined by the seller though obviously, which could literally be anything they want to charge.
So to cut through the clickbait here, 99.99999% of citizens will never qualify for a FFL, FEL or FEP and amongst the few who do, the vast majority will not be approved to own, possess, sell or purchase hand grenades by their local law enforcement agencies. Good to know. Moral of the story, if you ever hope to put your hands on a live military grade hand grenade, enlist in the military. Or perhaps head down to Nuevo Laredo or Jaurez and speak with your local Cartel Representative…if you’ve got the cajones and indifference to your own health and well being to do so.
I still want to see how *small* a shaped charge device can be made and still work as intended. It strikes me that the inconsistencies in the geometry of the mechanical parts and grain of the explosive will be amplified as the device gets smaller, producing an ever sloppier jet and eventually no jet. But where does it happen for a given structural material and explosive? They wouldn’t be at all practical of course, there are easier ways to for instance pick a lock or breach a door. OTOH, that could at least make a cool demo, punching through a lock instead of a steel plate.
If you watch him with the sound turned off it looks like he is in the navy because the way he waves his arms around, it looks he is messaging someone by means of semaphore. 😄
Its pretty fascinating that they dont consider a can with shrapnel welded to it a nothing burger bc it doesnt have explosives in it yet BUT a flat piece of metal with some lines drawn on it a machine gun. They just extort the rules to fit whatever they want in the situation. Great video.
Many of those alphabet agencies like the ATF should be de Funded. DEA started as enforcing prohibition, when they was over, a bunch of agents had nothing to do, until they discovered grass, they ruined many lives in the decades ahead. Now they have really harmful stuff like fentenyl and they cannot do anything.
@@allhonesty848 it's their job to put dangerous criminals in jail, which they really suck at. Instead, they change their rules then go after law abiding citizens and FFL's.
They went after Matt and Justin because Matt was "poking the bear" by taunting and making fun of the ATF. That was actually a violation of the 1st Amendment.
You might could win that argument in the hull. But, given there are clearly analogous Colonial era laws regarding the *storage* of both bulk explosives and (even more directly on point) specifically charged grenades, you can bet the fed explosives rules will remain and require you to bundle and maintain an appropriate magazine, records on the explosives inside the grenade, etc. The very laws that SCOTUS said couldn't be used as historical analogs for firearms restrictions (because they aren't actually analogous when applied to the *guns* ) are 100% analogous to explosives. Because they were literally regulations restricting private possession of explosives (pretty much the only viable explosive known at the time) for public safety. Just like the similar historical laws that prohibited shooting in the city streets are analogous to the "discharging inside city limits" today ordinances that prohibit you from plinking in your McMansion suburban neighborhood with a 6.5 Creedmore. Bruen, while an excellent ruling that clears up much of the stuff Heller and MacDonald left unaddressed, is *not* am Easy Button to Do What You Want. 😅
@@tonylam9548 I don't see any provision against multiple warheads, hypersonic glide vehicles or penetration aids in the 2nd Amendment. I do see "Shall not be infringed"
@@vinezero I think you'll find in 18th Century English "to bear" also includes things that bear you. So if your ICBM was launched from a recreational Ohio class submarine, B-52 bomber or MZKT-79221 transporter erector launcher you'd be allowed to have it. And f the Founders wanted people to launch nukes from subs, TELS or aircraft but didn't want them to do so from silos they'd have said so. And they did not. The defence rests.
True, but we were given the 2nd amendment to keep the government inline but we have not done our job as free people (not plebs) since the battle of Athens. Thugs gonna thug on you if they have no consequences and well, the government has no consequences for fucking you.
So you should, so many of them to be found in the great state of Texas. fear not, however, because when they trample on your rights by dragging you away to the great white north, Ian Runkle will be there to save the day. @@OrdnanceLab
My dad is a prior EOD battalion commander, and I've tried to talk him into the civilian explosive realm, but he said the amount of work it would take to meet all the requirements wouldn't be worth the effort. I still think that it would be a bad ass hobby/side job
I mean, the taunt is savage, but I always liked the threat that followed, it was delivered with such a pointed demeanor. I feel they truly would taunt them again, those silly English K-niggets.
Somehow watching this as it's unlisted. Guess I'm the first. Anyway, hi guys! Your videos are very helpful for our own research and we hope to work with you on some future projects.
You are actually. We leave the upcoming video private, normally. Jake had to make some edits and it was left in the "unlisted" category. So it's visible only if you look for it. Otherwise, it stays hidden until we release it.
Adam Savage always wanted to throw a grenade on Mythbusters, but never was able to. I'd love to see you bring him onto your location and let him toss one.
You talking about classifications of explosive devices and ordinance took me back to my childhood when I made a potato launcher. I found out shortly thereafter they’re classified as heavy artillery. Can you confirm that? Also, I think it would be pretty cool if you guys made some sort of a souped-up potato gun/grenade-launcher! 😊❤
Anything larger than 0.5 inch is automatically considered a destructive device unless specifically exempted by the ATF (exceptions include shotguns as 12g is 0.729”) But the potato cannon probably being a muzzleloader is not considered a firearm unless you live in NYC or California or somewhere similar. So unless you built it to explode like a grenade, no not a DD
@@thomasa5619what about if you home make a mortar to launch out of it filled with black powder with an impact fuse made of a cut up shotgun shell and a marble on the primer that flys like a nerf football with fins to ensure stability that blows up when it hits the ground? I heard someone talking about doing that quite some time ago and was always curious lol
Would love to see you test the types of drone dropped grenades we're seeing in Ukraine, and pattern them at different distances. Saw one video where a small one hit next to 3-4 55 gallon drums of diesel fuel, and there were at least 2 dozen streams coming out of each
The 4 ounce limit is for rockets propellant with “Explosive / Incendiary” payload, grenades would fall under the 1/4 ounce limit as ATF probably considers them “missiles”
@@elwildo14 Ah, that's an interpretation of the punctuation we hadn't considered, and probably the ATF line. The next question becomes "what's the difference between a 'bomb', a 'grenade', and a container full of explosives (like a plastic Tannerite jar) that isn't said to be either?"
@@AtlasArmsResearch I’m going to guess that if the tannerite has not been mixed, the jar is just a storage container. If it’s been mixed, the jar may qualify as a “receiver” (or other BATFE-specific jargon). Add a primer of some sort (solely for the sake of argument) and it’ll likely be a “destructive device”. I’m guessing because I’m not a lawyer or explosives expert either, I’m just going on what was said in this and other publicly available sources. Obviously the BATFE has final say… until it changes its collective mind or a field office gets a wild hair and issues a new rule…
@scrappydoo7887 Yes. The DM51 only uses ~2 of PETN. On the other hand US GI grenades use >6oz. But we all know the efficacy of an object is completely divorced from its legal definition.
I remember watching that hydraulic press channel from Finland, that guy always has hand grenades, usually in hi-vis colors. Mentioned one time "buying them at the market". Makes me wonder about such laws in Finland.
There is an urban legend that if you have a few grenades you may be able to blast your way through the red tape associated with having said few grenades.
Very interesting and educational. And, considering y'all can still count to ten with your shoes on, I think you know what you're doing. Considering how I heard a ditch was dug on a farm many years ago (dynamite and the charges not sequential... apparently, there were some broken windows a couple miles away), the mention of folks yeeting themselves out of the gene pool is relevant.
Moral of the story, if you ever hope to put your hands on a live military grade hand grenade, enlist in the military. Or perhaps head down to Nuevo Laredo or Jaurez and speak with your local Cartel Representative…if you’ve got the cajones and indifference to your own health and well being to do so.
I've thrown grenades while in the military. Exciting when your in the pit, and the only thing your worried about is getting it over the wall and away from you once the spoon flips off. Otherwise, it get's boring real fast when your at the range all day.
I landed a few military smoke nades and I had given them to someone who I heard from a stranger who said they may have destroyed the community pool back when they were in highschool
As fun as hand grenades and explosives are, I would not want to keep them on my property without the proper munitions magazine, which I can't have because I live in an apartment. Ammunition, and explosive devices have expiration dates. The explosives in destructive devices degrade and can become more sensitive over time. This is why if you find a pineapple grenade from the Korean War, call the bomb squad. It could go off, just from handling it, dropping it, etc.
Same here. As much as I fear my hypothetical guns being stolen and used for criminal acts of be even more terrified of the possibility of something like that being used and having been stolen from me I'd rightly feel at fault.
This is similar to Canada's Laws in that some grenade launchers are legal ( at least those exempt under 84(3)) but the explosive filler regulated by the Department of Energy, Mining and Northern Development. Legal by one department, illegal under another.
We watched this, sat in England. Envious of what you can do in America (my husband previously owned a pump action shotgun until the fun police changed the law) while simultaneously thinking WTF? It was like watching the end of an episode of Soap where the characters all froze and the voice over spoke about what was happening and always ended by saying, 'Confused? You will be. Join us on the next episode of Soap.' The only explosive weapon my husband possess now, is his arse after a Vindaloo curry. Chanced across your channel. Very interesting, so we subscribed. Keep up the great work. Love from England 👍👍
The most interesting situation that you did not cover is Foreign owned LLC with the intent of develop, manufacture, buy and sell Desctructive devices in the USA for USA government entities. A lot of companies like that develop all sorts of cool munitions
This channel gives me a little bit of hope for America. I don't blame you I left Houston too I need to drop off a bunch of blue propane canisters for a mortar part two video.
I had no idea... but TBH, not sure I would want a frag grenade.... well mb for fishing. Around 1990 or so my grandpa died. He was was a cabinet maker for years and had a garage shop out in the country. We went in there to clean out his garage and back in the back we came across a wooden box that said DANGER Explosives and on the ends it said Dynamite . Me and my cousins where like cool but my Uncle caught site of what we where going to do, which was pull it out and look inside but stopped us. It still had 6-8 sticks in it, they where IIRC called 40% strength. My papa would blast stumps and clear rocks out from his property with it. He bought it from Sears 30-40 years earlier. They called the Fire department and anyway some explosives guys took the box. They disposed of it. Anyway my dad and uncle when they where kids would help my papa dig the holes or drill holes into stumps, put caps into them and blow the stumps. My dad was doing this when he was 10. Things have changed since then.
Thank you Uncle Sugar!! I got to play with plenty of hand grenades, Bangalore torpedoes, cratering charges, Claymores, C-4, and det cord during pre-deployment training for Iraq. I don't even do fireworks anymore. 😒
I remember 4th of July in Iraq we "aquired," some ordinance from the ASP and celebrated the birth of our nation by blowing up a small chunk of somebody else's. 40mm HEDP, C4, M67s, AT-4s, even expended a TOW and a literal ton of 50cal. For "training purposes," of course. 😂
Just an FYI Antioch is pronounced Anti-ock - like clock, not Anti-och like crotch. Great video, Quick question, as a licensed explosive device maker, can you also just buy fully made grenades from a weapons manufacturer - or only the parts and assemble them yourself?
I really appreciate yall showing us the rules and laws about these devices. Ive always wanted to know how these devices was regulated. Most channels dont go in depth about the regulations.
I've only worked with explosive devices once, several years ago, when I assisted a [licensed] guy who needed to blow a 200' long trench using regular dynamite. What an experience! Once I get my FFL and SOT for gunsmithing later this year I might get into explosive devices also, because removing beaver dams is needed around here and there aren't many places for the operators to find local support. This video really helped me understand some of the ins and outs that I'll need to be aware of, so thank you!
@flat-earther I'm not sure what Geology/Astronomy have to do with Arms. Anything one might find in an armory is covered by the Second Amendment. Armor, any weapon, and any accessories that could be associated with either. These items are what what our forefathers meant by "Arms". If they meant guns, they would have said guns. Yet they chose the word Arms, which is all-encompassing and covers everything one might find in an Amory.
@@DawsonTyson it's random question. okay. BTW dawson, what do you think about all gubments drawing a line around you and saying you are not allowed to leave?(Antarctic Treaty) If you don't know what I mean, read my about tab.
@flat-earther 🤨🤔 Build the wall, traverse Antarctica at your own risk. Planes don't fly over the continent because the temperatures at flight altitude reach -180°F easily and the magnetic field has a hard time providing enough shielding where electronics don't randomly fail. Though if you were to try on your own, there is no guarantee you wouldn't be shot down by a nation state.
@@flat-earther no. That's absurd. I was trained on using long range radio communications and they don't work past a distance because of the curvature of the earth. Flat earth is another Psyoperation to de rail American interests in what is actually happening around them.
@@scrappydoo7887 Technically, you don't have to follow any laws you don't want to. There may be consequences for exercising such freedoms, but that's more of a deterrent than an insurmountable limitation. The knowledge to do everything from manufacturing firearms to building nukes is out there in public. Machining tools are legal to b uy, sell, and import. Anyone with sufficient motivation and funding can create a literal factory to make these things, which is why those of us in free nations remind the rest of the world that firearms regulation only limits law abiding citizens. Individual criminals can still make rudimentary weapons and explosives. Criminal gangs and cartels can fund industrial manufacturing operations. And of course, there are also government level bad actors who seek to take everything your people have worked for by force, if they can.
As everything covered in the NFA was legal to own by Citizens, the NFA is Unconstitutional. Not only that, the scheme of taxing a 2A Right was also Unconstitutional. Indeed, in Miller v US when it was remanded back to the lower court. The SCOTUS questioned the Constitutionality of the NFA and expected the lower court to make the determination. Unfortunately, mr Miller died before that could be done making the case moot
Anyone who would pay a $200 tax to enjoy a single big boom is nuts. Instead, make it with a cardboard tube. Then all they can get you for is making "illegal fireworks," a misdemeanor (State law only, unless you sell it). Besides, when you set it off, you can stand in the open (at a safe distance), to fully enjoy the experience, instead of huddling behind cover. If **I** were caught doing that, though, I'd say, "But Officer! I'm a CHEMIST! I'm conducting research into electron transfer in red-ox reactions!"
I just watched a short on Edward Sarkissian's channel where he shoots a "grenade" out of a can cannon and I know they're are 1000s that think it's actually real...lol!
