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How We Whitewashed The Classical Era 

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@AdamSomething
@AdamSomething Год назад
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@prodrom
@prodrom Год назад
Salt the snail
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Год назад
Put the lotion on the skin
@remytwoshoes1769
@remytwoshoes1769 Год назад
No
@neres5795
@neres5795 Год назад
Just don't play June.
@gesundheitlicht2054
@gesundheitlicht2054 Год назад
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@lourencovieira5424
@lourencovieira5424 Год назад
Important to note that a lot of statues also had gold elements and other metals, but unlike the paint that just naturally faded away, they were often stolen to be sold.
@theoneonly259
@theoneonly259 Год назад
That doesnt seem important at all. This leftist jusyt made a video claiming that Italians and Greeks are black not white.... What are you even talking about?
@WolfHagenSdW
@WolfHagenSdW Год назад
Some good old patient pillager with a chisel can make a good dime like that.
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA Год назад
Buildings got that treatment too, notably pyramid rocks, the top limestone was deliberately removed to make a settlement in what's now Cairo, but thousands of years of tourists, grave robbers and researchers also took a lot.
@lourencovieira5424
@lourencovieira5424 Год назад
@@KasumiRINA I've heard that the Giza Pyramids originally had a gold peak on top of it, I'm not sure if it's true. I would also like to give a similiar example of what happened in Porto, Portugal. Most of Old City Wall is visible today because, as a relative time of peace came in Portugal, having a walled city became unecessary, so a lot of buildings around and outside the original city wall, used that stone for construction. You can notice it on a lot of the remnants of the city wall that still exist today.
@HelenLannister
@HelenLannister Год назад
Quod non fecerunt barbari, fecerunt Barberini.
@modelmajorpita
@modelmajorpita Год назад
The reason painted statues look "cheap" today is because of changing technology and resources. In ancient Greece stone and marble was plentiful but paint was expensive and a way of showing wealth. Today stone and marble is more expensive compared to how cheap colorful plastic statues could be made.
@MisakaMikotoDesu
@MisakaMikotoDesu Год назад
Not all paints were expensive, just certain ones like blues and violets. They had the capacity for realism using painting, as Greek portraits made in Egypt have shown. Many historical accounts of statues talk about how they look as if they could walk right off their stand because of how realistic they were. If people could paint their faces with makeup, they could use those same pigments to paint the faces and bodies of statues.
@Demopans5990
@Demopans5990 Год назад
@@desiqti Or because scientists suck at painting, or mistaking primer and undercoat for paint
@suddenllybah
@suddenllybah Год назад
I think it might be familiarity as well, as well as it being read hard to convince yourself of the color choice authenticity. We can never be 100%, sure that we got the colors right. because the paint done got obliterated.
@bluester7177
@bluester7177 Год назад
@@Demopans5990 It's probably because they don't actually know what they looked like and can only infer the base colours of the statues with no shading.
@dustybeijing
@dustybeijing Год назад
@@bluester7177 Exactly. Which is why they should leave them alone. A bad paint job on a statue that is otherwise elegant and intricately detailed is far worse than no paint job.
@JeanLucPicard85
@JeanLucPicard85 Год назад
If you skin is the color of white marble call an ambulance immediately assuming you're not dead already.
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
This is common knowledge here in Greece, don't know why foreigners are unaware of this.
@USSAnimeNCC-
@USSAnimeNCC- Год назад
Well racism was normalize bach then so back then maybe people choose to have a perception that it's always white and that pass on and everyone forgot and thought it always white and they been depicted as white every since
@unclejoeoakland
@unclejoeoakland Год назад
They're racists. They aren't scholars.
@LegendaryRQA
@LegendaryRQA Год назад
Same in Italy. We always have before and after images.
@WolfTheTrueKing
@WolfTheTrueKing Год назад
I'm kinda sad that this hasn't spread farther. I would've loved to see this discussion in school
@firstletterofthealphabet7308
@@USSAnimeNCC- not everyone, clearly. southern europeans definitely remember and have always known about the coloring of these statues, you can see 2 people attest to that on this comment alone.
@hotfishdev
@hotfishdev Год назад
Imagine in a few thousand years, a museum proudly displaying their collection of unpainted 40k minis as though it were the epitome of high art.
@TheAtomkilla
@TheAtomkilla Год назад
To be fair, I've seen some models painted to such an level that I would definitely consider high quality art worthy of display.
@HeronSight
@HeronSight Год назад
So, apparently if you donate toys to the V & A museum in the UK they have to accept it (albeit it goes to storage) in theory these collections of miniature armies will be put on display as a part of exhibitions in the distant future.
@mulletalchemist
@mulletalchemist Год назад
The problem is that they're going to find WAY more gray, unpainted ones without a hint of pigment from all those minis bought but never painted lmao.
@TheRandomAustralian
@TheRandomAustralian Год назад
@@mulletalchemist stop looking inside my garage
@ietsbram
@ietsbram Год назад
But they aaarrreeee, especially the once not updated since 1890
@hynekss8618
@hynekss8618 Год назад
People often confuse aesthetics with familiarity. Fun facts: the ancient Greeks built their famous temples in a way they were familiar with, so they basically copied the shape of the older wooden shrines. A lot of what we consider today to be the highest form is based on replicating carpentry details (e.g., beam joints) that actually make no sense on a stone building.
@qus.9617
@qus.9617 Год назад
Hmmm that is interesting. That reminds me. Chinese door entrances or stelae or gates that were constructed in stone were often carved with an interlocking wooden bracket (dougong) design. Which you know... makes no sense.
@brindlebucker4741
@brindlebucker4741 Год назад
Reminds me of Howard Roarke from The Fountainhead.
@seraphina985
@seraphina985 Год назад
This reminds me of the Iron Bridge in Coalbrookdale back where I used to live in the UK. Being the first entirely Iron Bridge ever built it looks really overbuilt and it is to the point that prior to it's last restoration several pieces had failed and it was more than fine structurally still. It's design is very reminiscent of earlier wood bridges with Iron elements in fact the tying the multiple arch beams together are styled as faux chains. It looks very much like it is trying to look more like it is an Iron reinforced wooden structure, at least from a distance, when it in fact is no such thing and is entirely built out of Iron.
@MemoirsofaBasketcase
@MemoirsofaBasketcase Год назад
The classical vandalism I’m saddest about is the neutering of the statues. We lost so much historical detail!
@emlmm88
@emlmm88 Год назад
I agree, the scrotums of the gods and kings is of utmost historical import.
@snowdrop9810
@snowdrop9810 Год назад
​@@emlmm88and the schlongs. Those were pieces of honor among society
@TheRedRobin96
@TheRedRobin96 Год назад
That's fine they were usually inaccurately sized anyway. In that time period having a large phallus was considered a bad thing so they would downsize them in order to impress everybody.
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking Год назад
The puritan popes demanded a secret throne made of dongs smaller than their own.
@ano_nym
@ano_nym Год назад
@@TheRedRobin96 the opposite of angle frauding your dickpics XD
@mrtrollnator123
@mrtrollnator123 Год назад
The classical era didnt look cold and disturbing, it was vibrant and full of colour
@shiny_teddiursa
@shiny_teddiursa Год назад
and full of slaves
@animatechap5176
@animatechap5176 Год назад
​@@basedchad6035 huh
@aureliodeprimus8018
@aureliodeprimus8018 Год назад
@@basedchad6035 Source? As far as i know, being gay/bi was considered the normal trait for every heroic figure in greek literature.....
@marcanton5357
@marcanton5357 Год назад
@@aureliodeprimus8018 Out of thousands of art depictions of sexual intercourse, only 3 are of gay intercourse. In all of Greek literature, there are 2 instances of gay intercourse(many more of straight intercourse) and in both cases, it's r@p3. Most Greek city states had severe legal penalties for gay intercourse(except for $l@v3$), such as death or exile, including Sparta and Athens. You clearly have no idea of the subject.
@kingflynxi9420
@kingflynxi9420 Год назад
​@@basedchad6035 the Greeks invented sex, the Romans introduced women.
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 Год назад
As someone who studied history and archaeology in a past life, I absolutely agree that we should be teaching the public about what ancient statues really would have looked like, i.e. that they were painted in bright colours rather than being plain and white. I think it can be very helpful for museums to show painted replicas alongside the originals, to give an impression of what they might have looked like when they were new. However, I don’t agree with simply repainting the ancient statues themselves, since (a.) no matter how well informed we think we are today, it’s just another layer of modern re-interpretation, and (b.) it might make it more difficult for future generations of scholars to study the works with technology and knowledge available to them (for example using scanning techniques that don’t exist yet). It’s the equivalent of the Victorians rebuilding ancient ruins like Knossos according to their own idealised image of them, and in the process destroying a lot of archaeological evidence that would have been very valuable to scholars today.
@ramirosotto
@ramirosotto Год назад
I agree 100%. Personally I wouldn't like the actual physical statues to be painted for those reasons, but everyone is free to make their own digital version of what originally would have looked like, and we should teach what would be considered the most historically accurate digital artistic representation.
@mfaizsyahmi
@mfaizsyahmi Год назад
You thought they're putting paint on actual historic pieces instead of replicas? Why, they would have only one shot at it then! No practice!
@brag0001
@brag0001 Год назад
In many cases replicas are used to "repaint" the statues ... I agree that we shouldn't destroy things by trying to fix them...
@JustSpectre
@JustSpectre Год назад
The example of Knossos is a very good one. It was terrible to find out it's interpretation made up by Evans and constructed using concrete. When I visited the palace in Malia, I was much more satisfied with what I saw.
@sasha01198
@sasha01198 Год назад
Well said! Totally agree
@adamevans1989
@adamevans1989 Год назад
As mid as Assassin's Creed Odyssey was, the colouring on the buildings and statues was absolutely fantastic
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
Greek here, it was pretty accurate.
@memecliparchives2254
@memecliparchives2254 Год назад
Well, the actual world building and the game overall however. Its just an insulting SNL sketch parody of Assassins Creed itself. Much like how Syndicate was. Imagine my surprise that it was the same team that made both games.
@raulponce9012
@raulponce9012 Год назад
Literally the only real value that game offers is a nearby perfect historical reconstruction of Greece cities and architecture. Ubisoft should dedicate themselves to making 3D models of ancient lost cities in high detail because they aren't that great at making games
@munanchoinc
@munanchoinc Год назад
​@@raulponce9012 they honestly should drop the entire endless templar/assassin war stuff and just make a straight to the point historical epic story. Make it an anthology where the Assassin's are merely a small part of the story.
@Dragosus
@Dragosus Год назад
It was certainly good enough for one of my university archaeology lecturers to use it as a example of a decent recreation.
@Mereel401
@Mereel401 Год назад
The most frustrating discussion about the colors on statues I had was back in University. A bloody art student kept arguing they could not have been painted because they looked more ugly like that. That was his whole argument. He didn't like the look so it wasn't real. And he tried to convince someone studying late antiquity to early medieval European history with that....
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
the recreations are badly painted. they look ugly because theyre badly done. get a makeup artist in there and we might get an accurate representation that would have pacified your friend. they werent colored like a childrens coloring book (like they are in the recrestions) any extant fresco would quickly dismiss this idea. these recreations are painted badly because nerds generally dont know how to paint or do makeups. the reality is in between the white and the clown shit they are claiming is "actually authentic". no its not. ancients painted eyelashes and details and didnt paint their extremely lifelike sculptures like they were painting a deck. youre friend had a point - they are hideous. but if they had seen the thutmose nefertiti they would have easily accepted that they were painted. they took as much care to paint the statue as they did to carve it - these examples show no care and no skill and should rightly be questioned for authenticity. these sculptures are painted like an andy warhol print - its just as much of a fallacy as saying they werent painted. its garish and clownish and has nothing to do with the aesthetic of the era.
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking Год назад
I mean, they weren't painted like the recreations. We have surviving tile murals with very elaborate and bueatiful shading. I'd love to see copies shaded with what we have of their surviving asthetic - not this base coat only nonsense.
@Cotif11
@Cotif11 Год назад
yeah sounds about right for an art student
@zephyros256
@zephyros256 Год назад
@@TheGrinningViking Afaik the base coats is one step in recreating the way ancient statues were painted, and would make for a great first publication on the topic before further researching the more intricate details (EDIT: that is, thinking as a researcher that has to continually source funding from somewhere in an incredibly competitive field). Determining the shading techniques is a tad harder due to those details generally fading earlier, compared to mosaics, where the colour is much more intrinsic to the material and not coating the base. Another interesting consideration might be that some form of glazing was performed, or that the lighting used on the recreations/modern day painted statues is not entirely representative of how they would see them antiquity.
@petrfedor1851
@petrfedor1851 Год назад
Remember seeing similiar thing with feather dinosaurs. "But they look stupid with feathers, like chickens"
@imacat687
@imacat687 Год назад
The really fun thing is: We have known this for round about 130 years. The architect who built the Austrian parliament (his brother was an archaeologist and he himself spent a lot of time in Greece) even tried to make his classicist style parliament colourful. Remains of that attempt are still there.
@aimeeinkling
@aimeeinkling Год назад
Yeah, I feel like I learned about this in an anthropology class at university...and that was in the early 90's.
@tobib6885
@tobib6885 Год назад
I think a big part is representation in media. Most people who didn't happen to hear about this will likely just assume that most of them were white since that's how much of modern pop culture depicts antiquity.
@veritasetcaritas
@veritasetcaritas Год назад
Yes, this is just bad pop history. The debate over classical statue polychromy was settled in the nineteenth century, and has been standard teaching in classical studies ever since. I'm a double classics major, and I learned this as soon as we started studying classical art.
@toadwine7654
@toadwine7654 Год назад
@@veritasetcaritas this right here is kinda the problem . alot of well educated people sort of seem to think all this is their own closed off world. and when idiots and grifters find stuff like this online they make conspiracy bullshit out of it. of course the main offender there would be the neo nazi prick. but academia needs to stop being arrogant, and make things more accessible and simple be better at educating and informing the general public.
@Voiciunebattledogesse
@Voiciunebattledogesse Год назад
And the painting in the upper right corner shown at 9:10 was made by Lawrence Alma-Tadema in 1868. Which just goes to show how much the guy tried to be historically accurate for the time he lived in, his art is beautiful. (Phidias showing the Frieze of the Parthenon to his Friends
@midge_gender_solek3314
@midge_gender_solek3314 Год назад
I think a lot of the issues normal people have with colorful statues is that reconstructions don't have any shading which was probably there
@dustybeijing
@dustybeijing Год назад
Exactly. The modern painting on all of these is terrible. The original statues, whether mass produced or unique, were made by highly skilled artists and craftspeople. The statues are elegant and intricately detailed, and would surely have been painted as elegantly and intricately. But we don't know how they did that. Painting them badly is _far worse_ than leaving them blank.
@Utrilus
@Utrilus Год назад
​@@dustybeijing Warhammer figurine painters know how to do it. Any figurine-selling company does. Even games back in 1990 knew how to do it, it was called texture painting.
@JOCoStudio1
@JOCoStudio1 Год назад
Yeah, the claim that this is *actually* accurate is downright wrong. You can't just replicate the work of some truly magnificent artists by looking at the odd patch of paint residue. Past humans weren't more primitive. If someone said they could replicate the mona lisa from a few paintbrush scratches and spots of paint you'd rightly call them insane. I'm not sure where we go from here though- is it right to leave them ravaged by time, or should we let modern artists try their best to replicate a perceived style from the time?
@Utrilus
@Utrilus Год назад
@@JOCoStudio1 I think the only real way is to hire prop makers, they make well-painted statues and other stuff for film, right? They could have the chops to do the statues justice. Hah, or maybe makeup artists.
@kobikahn-harris1665
@kobikahn-harris1665 Год назад
The problem with this view is a lack of evidence. Of course to our modern eye being painted without shading or other modern techniques looks at best weird and a worst straight up bad, but it wouldn't necessarily have to an ancient viewer. Art is not only subjective to an individual but also to societies more generally. Colour, its use and realism are, ultimately, subjective and so these statues may well have seemed "realistic" to a classical viewer. All that being said, there probably was more at play than some reconstructions make it seem like, but with such little evidence for it, using it on a reconstruction would be nothing more than conjecture. Ultimately, we may have to accept that sculpture wouldn't have looked as attractive by our modern artificial standards, but that's ok. History and archaeology isn't about projecting onto the past what we want to be there, but rather understanding what we know was there. I would also check out the work of Vinzenz Brinkmann who has some really excellent and highly accurate (as far as we can tell) reconstructions.
@michka841
@michka841 Год назад
"how many times do you want to re-make the same video Adam?" "YES"
@alannatherson7721
@alannatherson7721 Год назад
I'm not complaining.
@chronictimewasterdisease
@chronictimewasterdisease Год назад
at least this time he has actual argument instead of just strawmanning people and people and calling them racists because of his simplistic generalizations
@MeEntertainmentJo_876
@MeEntertainmentJo_876 Год назад
He made a video on this before?
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen Год назад
@@MeEntertainmentJo_876 This is, what, the third one?
@aureliodeprimus8018
@aureliodeprimus8018 Год назад
@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen The third? I only remember one video.
@QT5656
@QT5656 Год назад
One of my geology lecturers specialised in pigments and spent a lot of time researching Roman buildings. She said many Romans seem to love horrendous colour combinations: the gaudy the better. If they were around now their cars would've been bright green or orange with gold trim. If they were alive during the 90s they would have loved bright shell suits.
@quatricise
@quatricise Год назад
People seem to complain about the flat colors on the repainted statues. Do you think the statues would've used "shading" as people are calling it here in the comments? I wonder what somebody actually informed would say about this.
@Posiman
@Posiman Год назад
​@@quatriciseOh, they would be extremely vivid. Many vivid colours were very expensive at that time, so using them would showcase wealth. However it's also likely that similar level of craftsmanship went into the coloring as went to sculpting.
@quatricise
@quatricise Год назад
@@Posiman i meant shading more in the sense of grading the colors to achieve further realism, like on a painting, darker tones in occluded areas and lighter tones to more exposed and protruding areas. Shading to accentuate the forms.
@ChasmChaos
@ChasmChaos Год назад
TIL I have the aesthetic taste of ancient Romans.
@QT5656
@QT5656 Год назад
@@Posiman yes, she said that too. A big part of it was showing off wealth or giving the impression of wealth not aesthetics per se.
@glenmurie
@glenmurie Год назад
Hah! Us miniatures wargamers were right all along! You can't make the details pop or look interesting unless you put some paint on them.
@Skoopyghost
@Skoopyghost Год назад
Does DnD count as a miniature wargame?
@boserboser6870
@boserboser6870 Год назад
untrue. with good lighting these skulptures have been invaluable to volume drawing practice for artists for years. given. fabric stonework would likely be given new life if the fabrics had embroidered patterns
@manfredrichtoften8848
@manfredrichtoften8848 Год назад
​@@Skoopyghost wargames qre quite literally that: war games. No story, just battlefield, units and (sometimes) things that award points. D&D is an role playing game. There is nothing wrong with that, It's just a different thing. I'm pretty sue they meant everyone who paints miniatures.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Год назад
Ironically you just know full well at least a few of the nazis who sent death threats over this were big fans of Warhammer 40k. Probably have a whole think about their ultramarine colour pallettes as well.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Год назад
@@Skoopyghost I guess you could play DnD _as_ a miniature wargame, but the game isn't inherently about war, and often doesn't use any miniatures either, so no.
@TE4MTIGER
@TE4MTIGER Год назад
I visited stirling castle in scotland recently, the main hall was restored to the original bright "kings gold" but then people got annoyed because they didnt like that it was bright rather than grey so historical scotland stopped the restoration. Really bugged me
@Christiangjf
@Christiangjf Год назад
It's very sad. Just like the Greek marbles they probably looked ugly as fuck but that's what they looked like. that's what you go to museums for 😂 not to see what you would like to see.
@danunpronounceable8559
@danunpronounceable8559 Год назад
​@@Christiangjf they probably didn't look ugly as fuck. They probably had beautiful shading as these classical artists worked with marble their whole lives. We are just recreating them ugly as fuck...which is likely historically inaccurate
@Bustermachine
@Bustermachine Год назад
@@danunpronounceable8559 I think that's a fair assessment. There's nuance to this topic. Statues being colorful should be uncontroversial. How that historical reality is conveyed to the public is a topic for healthy debate.
@danunpronounceable8559
@danunpronounceable8559 Год назад
@@Bustermachine would be really interesting to have the original sculpture, unmodified (exempting restoration to how it was discovered) and then a replica beside the sculpture with an artistic rendition of how it may have looked in-situ. Think this represents the best compromise.
@arthas4870
@arthas4870 Год назад
Renaissance sculptors like Michelangelo, Cellini and Donatello made beautiful sculptures with plain marble far after the classical era. It's true that this was based upon a misunderstanding of classical art, but they belong to their own period of history and are beautiful in their own right.
@mojmirbezak1422
@mojmirbezak1422 Год назад
I mean, sometimes not only was it a misunderstanding, but also a huge lack of information. The little traces of colour could be mistaken for dirt residue since red was the most preserved, and archaeology was basically not even a thing until the 18th century. So I'd say they didn't misunderstand most of it, but instead you could say that they worked best with what little knowledge of antiquity they were given (And also the slave trade and church control over science really pushed the narrative of white antiquity)
@Norrsky
@Norrsky Год назад
I like the museums that keep the original plain white statues, then have a recreation beside it showing what it actually looked like at the time
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
*showing what it looks like when someone with no artistic skill crudely photoshops a white statue. they looked nothing like these ronald mcdonald clowns
@lukacsnemeth1652
@lukacsnemeth1652 Год назад
That's the problem, those are NOT THE ORIGINAL.
@TheEntropyRising
@TheEntropyRising Год назад
@@lukacsnemeth1652 I think they mean original as in the authentic artifact, not as in original style.
@Demonetised_
@Demonetised_ Год назад
Tbh I prefer the colored statues. They feel alot more natural. Like something a person of the Era would actually make
@Pantsinabucket
@Pantsinabucket Год назад
Eh, a person of the ROMAN era. Most Greek statues were bronzes, and most famous “Greek” statues made of marble are Roman-era copies of Greek bronzes.
@zandaroos553
@zandaroos553 Год назад
I do prefer the bear statues but it’s purely to do with my interest in art being more based around light than color. I like seeing how light bounces off of fine details in marble, color can be a bit of an absorber which kills a bit of the vibe.
@keiyakins
@keiyakins Год назад
that's because the painted copies are only given the base coat, not the ones that bring out the shading
@Gigachad-mc5qz
@Gigachad-mc5qz Год назад
It took me some time getting used to it but now i prefer them
@imightbebiased9311
@imightbebiased9311 Год назад
I just prefer seeing what the artists of the time were able to do. Like, there are some works from ancient China and Japan that show off the colors and designs they were able to get in the way, way back on their diningware. Some of it could pass as stuff you'd eat off of today. Understanding that artists in the older eras were just as keen to use color as we are is a big realization.
@doctorscoot
@doctorscoot Год назад
I’m a classical history PhD - this is not at all controversial. I don’t think that objects should be ‘restored’ without good objective information about the original though, but that’s just me being fussy about art conservation and restoration. But yeah the things glittered with colour wherever they could. There’s also evidence for statues being garlanded or dressed in materials (flowers, cloth etc) that certainly don’t survive. There’s also the issue of how the Romans of the Hellenistic period ‘received’ Greek culture - how they adapted it to their own ends, it wouldn’t surprise me if their decoration and display of imported & stolen statuary had significant differences to the Greek and near eastern cultures they adapted it from. And then how the Roman Empire in turn changed the cultures they conquered (a more well researched topic).
@doctorscoot
@doctorscoot Год назад
One more thing - ‘art’ is also a 17th century term in the way we understand and apply that term. Many of these statues would be out in public as or part of triumphant monuments, or be cloistered as part of the ‘sacred’ - viewing context matters.
@askii296
@askii296 Год назад
Also, a lot of ancient statues were actually bronze with only their marble recreations surviving today, bronze was used for both its strength and because unpainted it looked like bronze tanned skin
@henryfleischer404
@henryfleischer404 Год назад
Well that makes me see the Statue of Liberty differently.
@Reiver-93
@Reiver-93 Год назад
@@henryfleischer404 the statue of liberty is made out of copper, which is why it's turned turquoise over time as that's what happens to copper when it oxidises.
@juusolatva
@juusolatva Год назад
​@@Reiver-93 yeah, it's called patina or to be vexatiously pedantic on copper specifically it's called verdigris. it does happen to bronze too, which is not really surprising, since the alloy is mainly composed of copper.
@oleksandrbyelyenko435
@oleksandrbyelyenko435 Год назад
Well, first thing I learned at my Greek art course that all the statues were polychromatic.
@extremosaur
@extremosaur Год назад
Then your instructor was excellent.
@spiritbond8
@spiritbond8 Год назад
oh wow education is great innit
@EveningSoother
@EveningSoother Год назад
My credential: I'm Italian, and after studying art and art techniques for a decade, in my youth I've worked as an art conservationist. I specified my nationality because there is a never-ending battle between the Italian and the Anglo-Saxon approach to art restoration, and you can guess from which trench I'm shooting. Curiously, said skirmish happens to be extremely relevant to the matter discussed in this video. To avoid the TED Talk effect, suffice to say that whilst Anglo-Saxons strives to restore any art piece to its "original state" (as close as possible to the way it looked when created), Italians conservationists follows the "Brandi's Rules": Reversibility, Recognisability, and Historic Mindfulness. In other words, every "touch up" must be easily undone if needed, distinguishable from the original parts, and respectful of the history of the piece. Whilst the first two rules are pretty straightforward (You don't want to get stuck with something you can't undo in case newer and better technologies pops out, nor you want to create a forgery), the third rule is worth explaining. How Historic Mindfulness even looks like in a piece? Well, this part is the one that truly differ from the Anglo-Saxon approach, because it goes against the idea of "bringing back" a piece. Whilst from a purely technical standpoint trying to wind back a piece to the day it left the workshop could be problematic (for instance, it's well documented that most artists, especially during the Renaissance and the Baroque eras, used to mix their materials in such a way that only after decades the pigments would stabilise as the artist intended. It's called "patina", a very effective way to increase durability), the prickliest implications are historical. Every piece has its history, every alteration, every retouch, every sign of time, is part of that history, and is not the job of a conservationist to erase it (like those bunch of whitewashers did with the classical statues) but to preserve the mere matter of the piece in order to keep it standing as long as possible, in the best possible conditions. There really isn't an instance where glossing over something like Time is a good idea, and Art is not an exception. It isn't a mystery that ancient Greeks and Romans painted their sculptures and low reliefs, but what happened to many of those works is now part of them. Adam said in the video: "Those statues for most part are not contemporary art pieces, they are historical art pieces, and the primary reason we look at historical art pieces is not to look at beautiful things but to look at history". And you are looking at it, Adam. Should we try to restore the pieces who hasn't been scrubbed within an inch of their life? Absolutely. Should we create painted copy of the scrubbed statues for context? Absolutely. Should we gather as much information as possible about the nature and hues of the tiny specks of pigments left before embarking in a wild renderization of primal screaming colours that could be just as misleading as the whitewash? Abso-forking-lutely. As an Italian lucky enough to grow up under the same roof with grandparents who seriously struggled during WW2, I have quite the massive bone to pick with any sort of fascist. Especially with those who wobble in my area of expertise and try to plaster their stinky rhetoric over the products of a culture that has nothing to do with them. So, I'm seriously pissed that I have to take this stance in this discussion, but it's about Art. It's supposed to be above all this, it's suppose to be immortal, and record every milestone of our time on this Earth. Even the one we don't like. Shit, I did the TED-talk thing, didn't I?
@calmeilles
@calmeilles Год назад
Is anyone actually pigmenting historic statuary? Every example I've seen has been on reproductions.
@EveningSoother
@EveningSoother Год назад
@@calmeilles Of course not, even the most enthusiastic among art conservationists wouldn't dare to alter such iconic pieces with so little documentation. And I mean, even if they could: I most certainly doubt governments and private collectors will ever agree to any of that until the science and the documentation are rock solid. But they're painting copies with the same level of "intelligence" (or better, lack of thereof), and then they publish the result. Which is a questionable thing to do, imho, even with all the disclaimers this kind of projects usually bring along.
@orkhepaj
@orkhepaj Год назад
the newest fascism is what this vid represents the anti-white woke culture, which tries to ridicule and destroy our history, very disgusting
@calmeilles
@calmeilles Год назад
@@EveningSoother I didn't think so. But given what the French have done with the recent "restoration" of Chatres I thought it necessary to ask. The search for spurious authenticity leads to some strange places at time.
@EveningSoother
@EveningSoother Год назад
@@calmeilles Couldn't agree more. There are some serious offenders out there, sometimes not even illustrious landmarks are safe, as you have mention, Chartres is an unfortunate example of just that. In this case I think the ancient statues are relatively out of reach (for now), because adding something comes with more red tapes and controversy than _removing_ something. If you add the lack of info to the equation, more than a renovation it would end up to be a guesswork at best. That should stop even the zealous ones, or at least so I hope.
@Meager02
@Meager02 Год назад
"Mom, can we have classical antiquity?" "We have classical antiquity in classical antiquity." Classical antiquity in classical antiquity:
@achurst1070
@achurst1070 Год назад
I remember being told as a boy by my father in the 1970s that classical sculptures were originally painted and colorful. This was also noted by my classics teachers and in a number of readings as I recall. Did I somehow shift to a parallel world were this wasn’t known? The world has become a pantomime of stupidity. WTF is the big deal?
@theoneonly259
@theoneonly259 Год назад
WHat do you mean what is the big deal? This leftist goofball is trying to say that Southern Europeans are/were not 'white" so they were 'whitewashed' to justify slavery of black Africans.... Its the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Are Southern Europeans black like this leftist is saying? They are not white? WHat are they?
@cillyhoney1892
@cillyhoney1892 Год назад
OMG I feel the same way! It's like I have found myself in Bizzarro land. I need to get back to my regular timeline but I"m stuck here in Crazyville where the fascists are taking over! It's scary!
@gooblewoobles3686
@gooblewoobles3686 Год назад
i never knew lmao, only learnt through this video
@charlesthebald3671
@charlesthebald3671 Год назад
We've known about painted statues and buildings for decades, but nobody told the far-right until recently.
@imiy
@imiy Год назад
The author is just anti-white and tries to convince us how ridiculous their history is.
@hallamhal
@hallamhal Год назад
"They're also strangely obsessed with height, and consider tall people to be inherently superior to short people" I give it ten, twenty years and we'll be there
@vadim6385
@vadim6385 Год назад
Wait, isn't this a well-known fact? I heard about the classical statues being painted like 10 years ago. And it made perfect sense to me from the start.
@science3879
@science3879 Год назад
nope, it isnt that well known to most people lol
@blockshift758
@blockshift758 Год назад
I didn't have a clue about it. Cause i just thought "oh they like the clean white stone"
@happydemon3038
@happydemon3038 Год назад
It's spreading quite well actually, it's just people are kicking a fit when people complain about the shoddy painting of restorers that only work with the paints that have been found trace amounts of on the statues. And people have a preferrence for people either going all the way, or leaving it be. They don't like a half-assed restoration.
@abcdmefgh2843
@abcdmefgh2843 Год назад
Exactly. I'm from Poland, I've been taught about it at school. I don't get what's the fuss about, it's common knowledge here.
@whatsthatbehindyou9527
@whatsthatbehindyou9527 Год назад
It’s just some people who want to paint a picture of themselves as virtuous and fighting back against an outdated narrative. The number of people against the idea of painted classical statues is few and far between. Most people don’t have anything against it
@brainfreezeyes1910
@brainfreezeyes1910 Год назад
This also happens to more recent history! There's a common misconception of Victorian fashion being dark and dreary, but look at fashion catalogues and fabric samples from the time and you can see they loved colour.
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
they definitely wore it if they could produce a dye for it. much of our dyes today are a relatively recent development using chemistry to create synthetic pigments safely (much of the green used in late victorian era was processed with arsenic...people literally dying for dye) while there are some examples of victorians in some color, the vast majority was still black and brown, and white as these are the easiest colors to produced and most common of the era. (but also i think people see black and white photos and unless they look at paintings are gonna think its more goth than it was...but...it kinda was goth, lol)
@theoneonly259
@theoneonly259 Год назад
What in Gods name are you talking about? This leftist has just made a video saying that Southern Europeans are not white but black and that their statues were whitewashed to justify black slavery....
@senrogas387
@senrogas387 Год назад
Yoo fun fact about that, I have a fashion book in french from the 1880's, huge ass book bigger than an a4 and leatherbound. The thing is full of colourfull outfits, like if you ignore the rib crushing corsets those outfits are gorgeous.
@friedzombie4
@friedzombie4 Год назад
​@@senrogas387 have you scanned this? I'd love to take a look.
@CF-3300
@CF-3300 Год назад
Hell, it’s already happening to the 1990’s!
@Grenadier311
@Grenadier311 Год назад
The high medieval era is indeed in need of a makeover in its popular depiction. The people and buildings were clean and colorful.
@theoneonly259
@theoneonly259 Год назад
HE JUST MADE A VIDEO SAYING THAT GREEKS AND ITALIANS ARE BLACK NOT WHITE AND THEIR STATUES HAVE BEEN WHITEWASHED TO JUSTIFY WHITE SUPREMACY AND BLACK SLAVERY! And that was your comment? What?
@Ryong84
@Ryong84 Год назад
the joke is people in the renessance era were dirty and didn't bathe while medival society used saunas
@MrToradragon
@MrToradragon Год назад
While they were most likely not clean by standards of modern society, they were most likely a lot cleaner than people in later eras as public baths fall out of fashion after plague. Not to mention the times church started to mess with hygiene later on.
@Grenadier311
@Grenadier311 Год назад
Yeah, standards went severely downhill after the plague into the early-modern era.
@altrag
@altrag Год назад
There's also the nomenclature we use - "dark ages" is intended to refer to the lack of intellectual advancement not the color palette used at the time. But even taking the intentional meaning, modern folk tend to assume that people of the day were a bunch of absolute idiots. That's just completely silly. People weren't appreciably different in medieval times - that lack of "intellectual advancement" relates to philosophy and (what we now call) science - stuff that average farmers and millwrights generally wouldn't have participated in no matter the era, but they still knew how to work a farm or run a mill just as well as their ancestors.
@MiG-21bisFishbedL
@MiG-21bisFishbedL Год назад
The Minoans would be horrified at the lack of color, tbh.
@theoneonly259
@theoneonly259 Год назад
Were they black?
@Vynzent
@Vynzent Год назад
​@@theoneonly259 They were actually a tribe of sexy vampires that lived in peace prosperity until one with burning ambition crafted a stone mask that would help his people conquer the sun. They struck down his ideas and he had to destroy them.
@tjarkschweizer
@tjarkschweizer Год назад
​@@Vynzent *awaken starts playing*
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA Год назад
@@theoneonly259 You know their ancestors still live, right? Look up "Crete people". by Slavic definition, yes, they're who we call "black". By American definition, no, they're who Americans call "brown" because race is a social construct that differs depending on which country and society you look from.
@AVKnecht
@AVKnecht Год назад
That the statues and buildings were painted is basically basic knowledge now. Everybody remotely interested in ancient architecture and art knows that.
@karimhammam9105
@karimhammam9105 Год назад
Warthunder trying to replace us. Shameful.
@n6rt9s
@n6rt9s Год назад
But most people who are not interested in ancient architecture don't. Yet it's relevant even to them because white supremacists keep lying about it.
@Ribulose15diphosphat
@Ribulose15diphosphat Год назад
Also in Germany, we know, that medieval Building were paintet in bright colours. The only myth is, that red paint was red because it was made from blood, as old blood would turn brown. The red Paint was actually made from iron ore (mixed with blood to stick it onto the surface). Also the glory days of Torture weren't the middle ages, but instead the rennaisance. And the catholic church didn't burn witches, it burned heretics. Protestant burned witches. Catholics even considered people who believe witches exist to be heretics (and burned them). Also Christians never claimed the Earth were flat, as this was already dated at the time of christ himself.
@AVKnecht
@AVKnecht Год назад
@@Ribulose15diphosphat Technically the catholic church burnt no one, at least in Germany. They found out that some was a heretic and then handed him over to the local jurisdiction who then burnt them (sometimes like in Bamberg or Würzburg they were the local jurisdiction themselves, but semantics...
@adamantii
@adamantii Год назад
there's also people not remotely interested in ancient architecture and art
@luthfihar3211
@luthfihar3211 Год назад
i've said this before, in museums and historical exhibition there should be 3 to 4 version of one exhibit that shows 1. the current and real specimen which is preserved to prevent even more wear, 2. a replica that shows how it might have looked like in it's hay day, 3. a modern replica that incorporate modern techniques to build upon the piece so we can show how far we've progressed and the optional 4. a replica of the specimen when it's first discovered so we could see how misunderstanding or mistakes could've been made from our predecessors that discovered it
@zeneal
@zeneal Год назад
these statues are so beautifully carved, I can't imagine that they didn't do proper shading because all the details from the stones would vanish. I always imagine these statues to be almost photorealistic.
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 Год назад
They're described as that and they were probably shaded, it's just that we don't have those shades, we just have the plain colours. The most famous pictures of painted statues come from ane xposition taht chose to not interpret any other layer than the base one ^^
@Vynzent
@Vynzent Год назад
​@@krankarvolund7771 Would be nice if they'd show some recreations with shading. Maybe just describe that no one really knows how the original shading would have looked like or something
@janthran
@janthran Год назад
@@Vynzent they likely would've been shaded specifically for the place where they were displayed with specific lighting so it would be extra hard to do in a museum
@lukacsnemeth1652
@lukacsnemeth1652 Год назад
If you are thinking about the detailed lace carvings and statues like David, those are 1500 years younger than for example the Venus of Milo. Classical statues don't necessarily have that detail, and they were made in quantity for the roman elite.
@NimLeeGuy
@NimLeeGuy Год назад
The Greeks saw the works of Egypt, the near and middle East, Persia After all they fought as mercenary soldiers for many of those countries They didn't invent monumental architecture or statues.
@JAleksandervonHackstahl
@JAleksandervonHackstahl Год назад
Something similar happens with precolumbian ruins: we tend to think that Teotihuacan and Chichen Itzá, to say some, always were in stone naked and in darker colors when actually Mesoamerican people actually plastered their buildings and painted them with vivid colors, including the bigger monuments and temples.
@jefflhama
@jefflhama Год назад
Like the game that's announced with a dead brown pre-Columbian town
@fluidthought42
@fluidthought42 Год назад
That one is less controversial because contemporary accounts and colored depictions of those structures still survive.
@lyinarbaeldeth2456
@lyinarbaeldeth2456 Год назад
This also happened with European plate armour from the medieval and renaissance period. It was typically painted or enamelled and highly colourful, but so much of it got wirebrushed to shiny bare steel in the 1800s and 1900s by antiquarians. Either because they thought it looked better or because they didn't want to upkeep the fading paint.
@josiah42
@josiah42 Год назад
In the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) we still paint our plate armor for practical reasons. If you show up on the battlefield and you're the shiniest person, you're much more likely to get clobbered. You'd be amazed how quickly practicality takes over what you're taught is historical when you actually start doing it. Then only later people find out that was the legitimate way all along.
@Daviesng007
@Daviesng007 Год назад
Historically the more expensive your armour looked the LESS likely you are to get arbitrarily “cobbled” because you’d be seen as a valuable hostage. Many a fortune were made dragging an enemy Noble off the Field and ransoming them.
@trashrabbit69
@trashrabbit69 Год назад
The far-right whenever people discover ancient civilizations had taste: "And I took that personally."
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
As a Greek, I must say that the civilization of my ancestors isn't their property and it never will be.
@jackbenny4458
@jackbenny4458 Год назад
@@azazel166 Far-right Greeks have as much right to the past as you do. 🤷‍♂
@mementomori7825
@mementomori7825 Год назад
Well, they look at the statue of David and get penis envy. Sad people.
@snow24121
@snow24121 Год назад
@@jackbenny4458 What exactly does a right to the past entail?
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
Well, they are Greek like me, despite their brains having being burnt by that poison. Far right Americans, and other like minded foreigners on the other hand have no right to it.
@akoszahorsky1071
@akoszahorsky1071 Год назад
Adam Something has two moods: 1. Showing the pointlessness and tragedy of the war in Ukraine 2. Getting that sweet sponsorship from War Thunder Great video overall :D
@marcocappelli2236
@marcocappelli2236 Год назад
You forgot about his third mood: when he becomes train-o-philic.
@viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
We have Twitter feminists, and RU-vid socialists.
@gravitydefeater
@gravitydefeater Год назад
booo for wt
@einbaerchen2995
@einbaerchen2995 Год назад
I mean Putin could just play WT instead of actually going to war.
@PouLS
@PouLS Год назад
@@einbaerchen2995 Well boys we did it, we fixed war. Turns out that plan of capturing Kaliningrad by building a beer pipe from Prague was not necesarry.
@KazookiMc
@KazookiMc Год назад
It would be really nice if there was a citations list on your videos in case people (well.. me) want to learn more about the topic.
@infiniteloopcounter9444
@infiniteloopcounter9444 Год назад
Citations often go missing quickly when the appeal to Godwin's law comes out so early. Probably the author gets overwhelmed by emotion about fighting the good fight he forgot to check he wasn't as crazy as the people he imagines he is up against.
@D.Pap_Art
@D.Pap_Art Год назад
If you want to learn more regarding Greek and Roman polychrome statues you can check the "Gods in color" exhibition. I think they are the pioneers of the field.
@christianwhalen9263
@christianwhalen9263 Год назад
I had the same reaction I think many had seeing the recoloured statues and thinking it looked like a child had done it, but I thought about it for a while and realized that this is the work of people who are often times going off almost no reference material, trying to relearn artistic skills we’ve essentially lost over the course of 500-1000 years. The practice of making beautiful colorful lifelike statues isn’t a modern bastardization of classical art, it’s a movement to dig up and revive a whole school of artistic techniques that were purposely taken from us and *almost* successfully erased from our cultures
@pepeef
@pepeef Год назад
I have read a theory that the paint work we see on recolored statues looks bad because it's based on what was left on the original statues - the base color layer. It doesn't look right because it's missing most of the outer layers of shading and details the figures had. In other words what we get is figures as they were only at the beginning on painting process. I do like that theory because it explains the discrepancy between the high detailing in the statues itself and very flat coloring put on it. I am aware it might be a complete bullshit explanation though
@mrogface
@mrogface Год назад
@@pepeef No, I think this seems reasonable. Watch any video of someone stripping paint from a model or what ever, the last layer left is the deepest most well protected layer. The base colours. So those layers being the most likely to survive seems reasonable to me.
@manfredrichtoften8848
@manfredrichtoften8848 Год назад
​@@pepeef watch any hobbyist painter colour and you'll affirm your own hypothesis. The first layer always looks the worst and you just add more layers where it is needed.
@Llamasomenumbers
@Llamasomenumbers Год назад
I think it would be much better to just paint a replica or have a 3D digital representation of what the statue might have looked like originally. If the point is historical accuracy you aren’t achieving that with a crude imitation of the original. I’m also against removing the remnants of the original paint to be clear, just let it stay the way it was found. And for the love of God stop letting amateurs touch these things. There are plenty of modern professionals who can do them justice.
@pepeef
@pepeef Год назад
@@manfredrichtoften8848 yeah no i know this because i paint hobbystically myself. What i'm not sure about is is it possible there were zero cases where traces of upper layers survived on a statue.
@TheAnoniemo
@TheAnoniemo Год назад
"And then they started getting death threats from the far-right" I feel like anyone who proposes any change can expect those at this point.
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA Год назад
Change? You don't receive threats from alt right for simply existing? What level of privilege is this, lol.
@rpgenious
@rpgenious Год назад
Tbh those "death threats" were as serious as the "rape threats" 12 yrs old CoD players pose when fucking your mum when they lose
@Colddirector
@Colddirector Год назад
Honestly it's hard to consider that anything more than an adult child throwing a temper tantrum. Imagine getting so fucking triggered by a statue having paint on it at one point that you have to threaten to murder anyone who says that.
@TheAnoniemo
@TheAnoniemo Год назад
@@Colddirector I think it's more because people are spending their time in (online) echo chambers and it's easy to type a death threat on Twitter and not face to face with a fellow human being
@abraham2172
@abraham2172 Год назад
We must not tolerate this bullshit any longer. Those vicious trolls should get punished at court for threatening or stirring up people. Lock them up, until they have finally learned how to behave like a reasonable adult person.
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland Год назад
You can still appreciate an art style even if it wasn't the intent when the piece was made. A ruined church or a painting with a patina can become more beloved than the original. Obviously you should never intentionally damage historical artifacts, but I don't think it's wrong to also see the beauty in they way an object has been changed by the passage of time.
@AnnaEmilka
@AnnaEmilka Год назад
Agreed. I think it's really cool that the statues were originally colourfulm and would love to see them in their prime, but at the same time I'm finding *some* of the repainted ones uglier, especially as we have no way of faithfully restoring the colours, shading and overall look as we lack information, so it ends up looking silly and as if a toddler painted them. I also find the repainting distracts me from the masterwork of the sculpture's shape and marble work itself - especially on photos it flattens the surfaces and takes away the intricate shaping of the sculptures
@jamestown8398
@jamestown8398 Год назад
True. Personally, while I like the color of bronze, I think it’s way more beautiful when it’s oxidized and green.
@Tom_Cruise_Missile
@Tom_Cruise_Missile Год назад
​@@jamestown8398 yeah and changing it back would take away from what makes it the statue of liberty in our minds. Plus a lot of people who don't like the statues as they are aren't doing it for the right reasons. The idea that liking them as they are now is somehow "white supremacist" is fucking stupid
@nisha7219
@nisha7219 Год назад
Agreed, like, I live in Chicago, we have some really nice neoclassical architecture here and I feel we made them to be without paint, the shadows are what precise the detail, And some painted statue look nice because they were made with painting in mind
@yakubduncan9019
@yakubduncan9019 Год назад
In my city there's a set of artificial greek "ruins" (basically a set of pillars with a set of blocks on top), built around the 18th or 19th century. Similar aesthetic sensibility
@gxgx55
@gxgx55 Год назад
7:20 man, Cultural Tutor is probably the only good non-farright twitter account with an antique statue profile pic, and you just put him at the forefront as a farright personality. You just did him diiiirty
@jakem5039
@jakem5039 Год назад
Was looking for this, feels like it was a poor categorisation. Would love either a correction or explanation!
@CanonessEllinor
@CanonessEllinor Год назад
Yeah, that account does NOT belong with the others.
@QT5656
@QT5656 Год назад
I like the exhibitions where they project the colour on the original statues using lights. The lights can be slowly brought up and down to show the difference. I think its an effective way to bring people over who are otherwise resistant because of the perceptions they've had since childhood.
@TheOdderlbert
@TheOdderlbert Год назад
the newer assassins creed games in egypt and greece had super nice painted statues and temples etc.
@memecliparchives2254
@memecliparchives2254 Год назад
You mean the new one in Egypt that is. The one in Greece was an SNL sketch cash grab parody of Assassins Creed.
@pepeedge5601
@pepeedge5601 Год назад
​@@memecliparchives2254 The point is that good or bad, the game did get the details about the buildings and statues right.
@memecliparchives2254
@memecliparchives2254 Год назад
​@Pepe Edge Meh, it more or less didn't in certain areas. It just plastered colors and samey buildings almost everywhere. And how can anyone forget how they made with the bit of the Misthios' child going to Egypt when apparently the pyramids were being BUILT WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY BUILT LONG AGO?! This game only does a fraction of something right.
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
The 2004 Alexander movie also had them.
@GTAVictor9128
@GTAVictor9128 Год назад
From what I remember, the statues were still plain marble. But architecture, clothing, etc were all top notch. I believe it's only in Odyssey that they actually gave the statues colour.
@Nerobyrne
@Nerobyrne Год назад
This also happened to dinosaurs, where we figured out that most of them had feathers. Thing is, you can still draw, imagine, and enjoy stories about naked dinosaurs, or white statues. Just know that it's not as correct as we once thought it was.
@cinaedus8781
@cinaedus8781 Год назад
I always imagined that if our civilization were to "fall" and be rediscovered by a later civilization, that our skyscrapers would probably influence their architectural sensibilities. Maybe the ruined towers that survived to their time would give them the wrong impression, though. They might recreate the visual appearance of what was supposed to be a glass-covered facade but where all the glass has since been smashed and ground to dust and only empty window holes remain. Maybe they think having thin spikes jutting out from the top of a building makes it look impressive, where in reality that's just an imitation of rebar poking out of broken concrete. People imitating the architecture, (and art, and culture in general) of the ruins of their precursors and accidentally including the scars of ruination in their recreations is a whole aesthetic, honestly. It's kind of cool actually.
@inqy8339
@inqy8339 Год назад
I remember when a local block of flats/apartments in my city was being renovated, and they basically gutted the building down to its concrete frame then ran out of funding for several years during the last recession. We had an empty concrete grid looming over the city centre for years. Did have a strange kind of austere beauty to it actually, even if it looked weird as hell. I could absolutely imagine some future peoples with different artistic sensibilities to our own seeing the remnants of concrete structures and drawing completely the wrong conclusions about how they're "supposed" to look.
@Adriethyl
@Adriethyl Год назад
I like both styles. However, the bleached statues look good in a vacuum, while the painted ones look good with the appropriate context (so as intended, restored properly). I do like the "misunderstood" building styles too. I like toimagine what the capitol building would look like full of color 😂.
@ChasmChaos
@ChasmChaos Год назад
Does the bleached statue look good because we've always been exposed to that colour scheme for decades and told that "this is a relic from a great age of enlightenment"?
@emiliosuarez2232
@emiliosuarez2232 Год назад
@@ChasmChaos I'll say it looks good because of the craftsmanship, the structure looks good on it's own, but obviously I wouldn't have the same "superficial" opinion if I would have seen the same statues but painted through all my life ig
@ChasmChaos
@ChasmChaos Год назад
@@emiliosuarez2232 that's true. It's so hard to guess because there are no counterfactuals. I guess white clothing is also a sign of opulence. Cricket, a British sport, was traditionally played in white clothing since it's a "gentleman's game". The gentlemen never had to bother with cleaning those clothes themselves. Football, another popular British game, was pretty much a working class sport and it never involved white clothing. I can imagine that those hidden biases came to dominate archeologists as they discovered these statues.
@alexhooijschuur5131
@alexhooijschuur5131 Год назад
My man, love your videos, but can you please source your claims? My main issue with this one is that the Renaissance started as early as the 14th century, almost two centuries before Europeans found the Americas, and even longer before colonialism really took its foothold in it’s conscious. The nexus of Renaissance occurred in the central Mediterranean, significantly east of the Iberian nations which were colonialism’s earliest participants. “Eugenics” was not a concept let alone genes, and Phrenology was not developed until 1796. While the objective of your video is just, the narrative of your video is simply wrong, at least it seems that way to me. Rather, it is more accurate to say that during the renaissance, they interpreted ancient statues to be uncolored largely due to ignorance and finding them not to be so, and then coinciding with the rise of Imperialism and Nationalism in the 18th and 19th centuries, these beliefs were co-opted into developing racist ideologies. It’s important to get these things right, or the people this content tries to disqualify will point out the errors in this narrative and claim that it disproves the whole point.
@mememachine6022
@mememachine6022 Год назад
Na bro debateable most historians use the fall of constantinopel as the beginn of the renaissance in 1453 and america was found in 1492 so not that far away
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody Год назад
I think this could be be better structured to make it clear that the original statues losing their colour due to weather and decay is obviously not racist (I mean, can weather be racist, lol), and neither are for example the artists of the Italian renaissance who just made an honest mistake here. The imagery was only later (like 200 years later) co-opted by racists. They didn't CREATE the false narrative, the just ran with the misconception (colourful = tribal) people already had!
@technounion1892
@technounion1892 Год назад
Yeah, ethnic eugenics and the renaissance did not crossover. Also, no renaissance excavations involved removing colour from statues. That's patently false. This whole video is just adding more fuel to the culture war fire, which Adam hypocritically laments about near the end of the video.
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 Год назад
Fourth remake here we come
@Somebodyherefornow
@Somebodyherefornow Год назад
SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS
@herrfugbaum8978
@herrfugbaum8978 Год назад
Still, Cleopatra wasn't from the Bronx.
@bananakrusher811
@bananakrusher811 Год назад
Wtf u talking about
@trithos7308
@trithos7308 Год назад
True, she was from Egypt which makes her even more dark skinned.
@herrfugbaum8978
@herrfugbaum8978 Год назад
@@trithos7308 No idea what skin color the ancient egyptians had. Cleopatra, however, came from an incestuous Macedonian-Greek dynasty. At least the Cleopatra that we know from art, culture and media.
@robinrehlinghaus1944
@robinrehlinghaus1944 Год назад
1.) Thank you for pointing out the middle ages also suffering from this. I cannot speak for the "medieval community" or however you want to call us, but I'm sure I'm not the only one appreciating a more well-known youtuber talking about this outside of the explicitly medieval historical niche of this site. 2. I think it's very good that you emphasised the last point about the "culture war". I find it very harmful how apparently anyone and anything needs to be openly politically biased to "the left" or "the right" nowadays. I continue to unintentionally get into political arguments when merely talking about history due it not fitting modern ideals, and it's very refreshing to see someone as public as you speak about this, especially considering the political nature of much of your content. I appreciate it very much.
@AtlasNovack
@AtlasNovack Год назад
"height guilt" had me rollin' 😆
@AFrickinDwarf
@AFrickinDwarf Год назад
My problem with the "why not do shading on these statues?" Is that many of these statues were meant to be put outside/naturally lit environments. The lighting would constantly change. It would look weird to anyone for a statue to be shaded as though it is 6:30 pm and view at any other time. I agree with the photorealism part, add texture, be ambitious, but photorealistic doesn't mean putting black in the creases.
@neoqwerty
@neoqwerty Год назад
If anything I'd say that photorealism on those statues mean hiring some lighting tech wizards to make the lighting moodier and given them shadows. They're sculptures, they don't NEED shading, they HAVE IT BUILT IN, take your spotlight away and upward and you'll see! It's kind of like complaining your high-quality action figure isn't shaded, when it's supposed to be posed and the lighting is supposed to cast shadows and shines.
@Thukad
@Thukad Год назад
If there is paint still on the statue that I think it needs to stay there, even if it's patchy. But if people are making educated guesses then I'd rather they leave it alone. A good compromise would be having a copy nearby with the assumed color work added and why we think that.
@tf7602
@tf7602 Год назад
Pretty sure they only paint replicas
@firstletterofthealphabet7308
@@tf7602 looked it up, and everywhere that is the case. you always save a backup, and in the case of archaeology, always leave the original as future reference. the 4 colored statues side by side example present multiple times throughout the video is even a cast scaled replica, I believe.
@zephyros256
@zephyros256 Год назад
@@firstletterofthealphabet7308 That also makes easily the most sense, because you might want to reaxamine details of the statue to try to extract more information from it in case you missed something.
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 Год назад
Historians are not idiots ^^'
@Jakab95
@Jakab95 Год назад
Painted or not, those statues mainly portay white/caucasian people. So I don't understand, what difference does it make to paint them or not from a cultural standpoint. Therefore I can't understand those who think that painting them or writing about them being painted, somehow is anti-white. But I also can't understand those who think not painting them is somehow whitewashing.
@pessimisticnihilist3691
@pessimisticnihilist3691 Год назад
No. White is an American term used to lump all Europeans together, people who live in Europe call themselves Italian, French, etc. The people depicted in these paintings were white accourding to the definition that they were European, but their skin was olive or brown as they were not Northerners. This means that if they were accurate depictions, the idea that they have actual white skin like the slavers who found them would be instantly shattered: Instantly making them worthless for furthering their racist propaganda.
@Jakab95
@Jakab95 Год назад
@@Dimitris_Half Then pls. tell me, how can you whitewash a caucasian culture. I mean, that those scupltures are portraying white people, not black, not asian etc. So? You can see the facial structures and all. So liking them painted or not is really just a preference.
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara Год назад
Are you drunk, high, on drugs or just trolling?
@tokyoarrow
@tokyoarrow Год назад
I’m sorry but that is a huge reach to say the reason classical statues and buildings are left white today is because of racism. There are so many flaws in this premise! 1) If Europeans during the renaissance period were opposed to classical art being coloured because of racism, then why did those same renaissance Europeans paint such vibrant artworks such as the Sistine Chapel and countless other works of art from the period? Why did people wear such vibrant colours at that time and not just white? British suits come from around this time, which are black. Armies were usually defined by their vibrantly coloured uniforms (British red, French blue, etc). And nobility often war all manner of colour, not to mention vibrant interiors. Why? Why was the renaissance art itself not white? The clothes not white? The interiors too? After all, those renaissance racists only respected on colour, and that’s white, right? 2) All the woke vs Red-pill stuff. While right wingers use classical statue imagery these days, and in the last few years or decades these have been hot topics, were they in Europe since that time? Since the renaissance? You provided zero evidence that the renaissance Europeans used this imagery in the same way, you merely conjectured it without evidence. And regarding race, while this was a topic in America and among some elite Europeans, and is of course a hot button topic today, do you think the average renaissance Europeans or even the likes of Leonardo and Michaelangelo really obsessed over this topic in the same way? Is there evidence of that? Finally, before anyone jumps to conclusions that for simply questioning the premise of the video that I must be a racist. Please note that I chose to live as a migrant in a non-white country, to learn the language and fully integrate, etc.
@MTTT1234
@MTTT1234 Год назад
In antiquity there was the concept of the 'Horror vacuii', the fear of nothingness. And the colour white represented this absence of something. This resulted in white parts of the statue even being painted with a white paint, so that way there would be at least paint on it, even if it would not change the colour of it. The perception of the colour white as a symbol of cleanliness and purity only came to be with Christianity.
@arskakarva7474
@arskakarva7474 Год назад
It is actually kinda funny how Age of Empires 1's colorful graphics meant to easily show whose units and buildings are which ended up being more historically accurate after Mark Abbe's discovery.
@JaJDoo
@JaJDoo Год назад
for me its like people getting angry at feathers on dinosaurs like .. bruh .. that's the animal
@simrock_
@simrock_ Год назад
The LotR skit was pure brilliance.
@firstletterofthealphabet7308
Wonder what _height_ rhymes with…
@stevenb891
@stevenb891 Год назад
“Hight supremacy” killed me 😂
@fungo6631
@fungo6631 Год назад
It was pure retardation.
@tweed0929
@tweed0929 Год назад
@@firstletterofthealphabet7308 far right.
@OctaBech
@OctaBech Год назад
Thank you for touching upon the horribly botched restorations. A point other content creators tend to skip when covering this topic. I personally do not want the statues lazily/incompetently painted over like that, because it hides the incredible craftsmanship and attention to detail. It is like having someone put ketchup on a Michelin dinner. We can make copies, put pain on those. EDIT: What I am saying is that surely the ancients spent a ton of energy on color grading or else there would have been zero point in the super detailed sculptures. Because without colour grading, you cannot see the effing detail and would be a waste of time.
@Utrilus
@Utrilus Год назад
Yeah, like how there are super well-painted Warhammer figurines... and then very badly painted ones comparable to classic restorations.
@sarowie
@sarowie Год назад
@@Utrilus even badly painted figures can serve as literal cannon footer on the battle field. But... those are the finest of the finest pieces, not a terracotta army; yet even those where painted, but the theory that a general was more elaborately painted then a foot solder should not be controversial.
@mfaizsyahmi
@mfaizsyahmi Год назад
You thought they're putting paint on actual historic pieces instead of replicas? Why, they would have only one shot at it then! No practice!
@OctaBech
@OctaBech Год назад
@@mfaizsyahmi Because that is what they have done to paintings and statues from other periods, instead of making replicas. You can see examples of that in this very video, examples I actually mention in my response to the previous video. Look, the ancients were amazing artists, who did incredibly detailed sculptures and used different materials for eyes and teeth to make them look like real people. It is borderline a mockery to have amateurs(based on their craftsmanship) cover it all in flat colors, making the statues look like something from comic books.
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA Год назад
He meant the other way around. Comparing the scrubbed white statues with the botched restorations. Unless he was sarcastic?
@happydemon3038
@happydemon3038 Год назад
This again? There is no proof that the Ancient Greeks preferred poorly painted statues over not painted at all. I find it absurd that the Ancient Greeks would make statues with lifelike anatomy only to paint with the most basic of colours with no shading. Egyptian hieroglyphics aren't anatomically correct, they are SUPPOSED to be stylized, and the colour also adds to the readability. Meanwhile these poorly painted statues subtract from the readability due to the lack of any shading or detail.
@etasjo
@etasjo Год назад
i mean the pure white look is kinda cool
@saffral
@saffral Год назад
The fun part is that armour from medieval periods was also frequently painted, but was scrubbed and polished by folks in later centuries when the paint was worn (for decoration in mansions of course) so we see a lot of plain metal in the maintained examples.
@dydx_
@dydx_ Год назад
9:45 As a German I always wondered why these medieval German architectures in movies were greyed out, always thought it was just an effect to sell the bleakness of the scene since living here you always see all those historical buildings in bright colors. The more you know.
@christianhoej1562
@christianhoej1562 Год назад
I gotta be honest when studying or talking about history or any other scientific field it's bloody important to cite sources otherwise that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It's annoying that a very low percentage of "history" youtubers does that there is only a few good one that does it like atun shei films.
@extremosaur
@extremosaur Год назад
Completely agree.
@Fuhrerjehova
@Fuhrerjehova Год назад
I think we shouldn't put new color on old statues, since that might fuck with them so to speak (if we find an old sword, which obviously had jewelry on it, we don't put jewelry on it). However, I think remakes, with full paint, should be pushed (as the remake of the sword, with jewelry, would be).
@Alex-mn1fb
@Alex-mn1fb Год назад
Like, first of all, WE did not whitewash anything, time literally did that. No one in Renaissance-era Italy could have, would have or should have known that the white sculptures they knew and saw scattered around were once colorfully painted a millennia or so ago. They saw them as being white, so white statues became a fad, but we thankfully grew and we know better now. People who cant cope with that fact today, on the other hand, are complete assholes. As are people who use it as some sort of critique of society and make it out to be full on planed and purposeful anti-colorism and anti-queer agenda. It just happened. Its a historical misunderstanding, and its a topic Left RU-vid had now done multiple times. Its been done ad nauseum. Like fine, we get it, classical statues were painted, and some demented right wing fan boys got upset over it. Its not a proof of a wide societal far right conspiracy, and the left seems to be the ones who actually crave to make it another culture war talking point. Chill out, its not that serious.
@abhinavpuranik815
@abhinavpuranik815 Год назад
this is an aside, but, at 7:17; 'The Cultural Tutor' is definitely not a white supremacist page imo
@krishcshah
@krishcshah Год назад
Someone has already added sponsor block to this lol. Good work.
@DrDrao
@DrDrao Год назад
I think it's at least a bit automated. I've occasionally had clearly parody advertisements blocked by it before, which humans wouldn't do.
@Jisttoturn
@Jisttoturn Год назад
Salt the snail 🐌
@krishcshah
@krishcshah Год назад
@@DrDrao skillshare and war thunder could have automatic detection 💀
@drewcipher896
@drewcipher896 Год назад
I don't usually play Ubisoft games but I got AC: Odyssey for free, and walking around ancient Greek cities with painted columns and statues was magical.
@peepance1799
@peepance1799 Год назад
Ironically iirc there is a letter by a roman stereotyping light skin with weakness (by staying indoors) and "uncivilized rashness"
@azazel166
@azazel166 Год назад
Sunburn is no joke, and then pain gets worse at night.
@tymiller176
@tymiller176 Год назад
Ok, is Adam going to make video how much of this video is incorrect? Scholars already knew about the color of statues since the 19th century. And no, people weren't intentionally trying to scrub off the color in museums. No, we knew that plates weren't just in black and white. This is what happens when you don't based your information on scholarship and instead, of some article in media. Kinda disappointed in Adam here. Oh, and Renaissance happened in a different period than the Transatlantic slave trade and nothing to do with ancient sources. C'mon people.
@francoismentec4260
@francoismentec4260 Год назад
Regarding the "I prefer white statues", you can add that there is plenty of white art inspired by our wrong perception of the classical era and it is okay to appreciate those pieces as white since it is their original color.
@bobmcbobbob1815
@bobmcbobbob1815 Год назад
100%. You also don't need to change history in order to appreciate the look of the statues unpainted. The images aren't going anywhere
@yessopie
@yessopie Год назад
The painted statues look WAY better. And it's much more fun to imagine ancient Greece and Rome with all those colors. The only problem is, at least here in Canada, we only ever see painted statues in parks for children or McDonald's or whatever, so yes, by that association it makes them seem targeted at a less sophisticated audience, or "cheap". Most of our "statues for adults" are a monochrome green (oxidized bronze). I don't think I've seen a purely white statue outside of a museum.
@Colddirector
@Colddirector Год назад
Personally I prefer the unpainted look, but there's no reason we can't have both - acknowledge the statues were origionally painted but appreciate the white statues for their albeit unintentional pristine aesthetic.
@antlerbraum2881
@antlerbraum2881 Год назад
Haven’t you talked about this before???
@samuelparry7877
@samuelparry7877 Год назад
Yeah he did speak about this before in one of his first videos and then again in a remake of that same video
@cfv7461
@cfv7461 Год назад
Now he has better editing. I thin he hired someone.
@satl3161
@satl3161 Год назад
Hes running out of ideas. Recent videos have not been quality
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 Год назад
He did talk about it twice, but the video got pulled down twice, so he’s doing it properly this time around.
@Sfaxx
@Sfaxx Год назад
Have you watched the full video? Adam explains it in the end (after ad)
@HF-tj8db
@HF-tj8db Год назад
I think a nice compromise would be having a plaque with an image depicting what the sculpture would have looked like originally, in front of the sculpture. And perhaps when people warm up to the idea, we can paint only the ones that we ourselves removed the paint from, leaving the ones where the paint degraded over time and wasn't due to our whitewashing.
@DamnedSilly
@DamnedSilly Год назад
Funny how much of it comes down to the best stone on hand for carving happening to be white. Of course, it's also the best base color for painting other colors onto.
@arstans1777
@arstans1777 Год назад
I think the original statues shouldn't be restored, because what we're seeing looks like just the base paint. It would probably be pretty easy tho to make replicas that you can paint in accordance to the pigment traces researchers have found, and ancient descriptions/ surviving art, but also add some shading on it, so that people get an idea of what it probably looked like. Just like they don't go around making new arms or heads on broken sculptures, because you couldn't replicate it well enough
@BassFlapper
@BassFlapper Год назад
You should definitely not 'restore' classical statues. The thing is that we have no idea how they were painted. Little to no physical evidence has survived and we don't have any detailed descriptions. So unfortunately it's impossible for us to restore these statues. You could make your best guess as to how they looked, but if we don't know for sure I think it would be a huge disservice to try and paint them. To me that would not be restoration, just guesswork. And no, I'm not a nazi.
@arnigeir1597
@arnigeir1597 Год назад
As a model painter, I would love to see some speculative layers and details restored to a replica of these just so get a closer look at what they might have been like when recently painted, since sadly allot of it is lost. ps. love the Heroes of Might and Magic score.
@relvezz6997
@relvezz6997 Год назад
We live in an era where people care about the detail of the carving, not the colour. We care more of the skill of the artist designing than the extra colours added.
@arnigeir1597
@arnigeir1597 Год назад
@@relvezz6997 I can admire a model for it's mold as well as appreciate a good paintjob, one does not exclude the other. But looking at an unfinished render becomes boring eventually, as well as historically inaccurate.
@blubberwasser5105
@blubberwasser5105 Год назад
Damn, how about a "receive far right death threat any % speedrun" aka. work in science
@VitaeLibra
@VitaeLibra Год назад
Or just come out as trans. Saves you the trouble of making the choice to study something for years when instead you can just be hated for being born
@chronictimewasterdisease
@chronictimewasterdisease Год назад
​@@VitaeLibra or just exist really, because i am not trans and got bashed by the far right for being a leftist, thank jod they didn't found out i was autistic
@VitaeLibra
@VitaeLibra Год назад
@@chronictimewasterdisease basically, if you aren't with them you're against them
@papadstavros
@papadstavros Год назад
And still nobody asked the Greeks who are the owners of the classical era artworks. Literally it is common knowledge here that the statues were in colour and there are displays of classical statues in colour in museums, nobody in Greece cares too much about it, but somehow far right Americans and Europeans need to have an opinion about our culture
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara Год назад
Just to add, this is well known in Belgium, not controversial at all.
@vercingetorix2128
@vercingetorix2128 Год назад
Both the Antiquitous Periods and Middle Ages get terribly misinterpreted due to Renaissance/Enlightenment perspectives and stereotypes. As someone who loves antiquity and is studying an MA in Medieval History, its always mind boggling hearing the stereotypes
@vercingetorix2128
@vercingetorix2128 Год назад
I personally prefer the color statues and usually focus on this more in terms of Ren/Enlightenment Progression theory but this is a pretty fun look at trying to understand the emphasis of white statues in the later Renaissance and early modern period
@Ule_blood
@Ule_blood Год назад
well this is over focussing on periods and extrapolating the medieval period the reneisance created it exists, it's basically the 1300's and 1400's as the medieval system collapsed into an era of crisis due to the plague, and the increasingly unsustainable feudal structure's incentives. which lead to massively violent, and brutal civil wars in england, france, and the empire. while their view of the clasical period was influenced by like the athenian golden age, and the Roman pax romana before the empire went into full collapse
@faarsight
@faarsight Год назад
There is a certain simplicity and tranquility to the completely white marble statue look. That said historically accurate painted statues can look gorgeous as well. (Though sometimes they do look kind of garish)
@diktatoralexander88
@diktatoralexander88 Год назад
when there's little paint detail at all, they look terrible. But when added the right detail and amount of paint, they look incredible. But yes, plain stone is it's own aeasthetic
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
check out the thutmose nefertiti bust! this is a beautifully painted extant example! the recreations look garish because they are. these recreations do a disservice to the reality of the era because the they are colored in crudely and with no actual artistic skill. they seem to think the ancients painted their statues like we would paint a car, when the reality the statues would be incredibly lifelike with delicate eyelashes and changes in tone across their complexions. highlights would be added into their hair and cheeks. think of how mannequins back in the day would be painted to resemble actual women. these statues look like they were painted with homer simpsons make-up shotgun.
@captininsanoo00
@captininsanoo00 Год назад
like any art, some of it is amazing and some of it isnt
@martinfiedler4317
@martinfiedler4317 Год назад
@@diktatoralexander88 Exactly. And it would be rather 'inconsistent', if they were to put so much effort into creating a highly detailed and accurate statue from stone would would then not have taken - the substantial lower effort - of painting it in detail with multiple layers and shading.
@shraka
@shraka Год назад
What you consider garish is probably culturally indoctrinated into us all - put there deliberately by people who wanted a way to deride other cultures who often wear brightly coloured things - think traditional clothing in Africa, India, South East Asia, and the Americas. It becomes more apparent when you look back at how colourful Western styles were before this cultural hierarchy needed to be established to justify Empire.
@nob2243
@nob2243 Год назад
Let's hope the constant rewriting, upgrading and polishing of this video will become a yearly tradition on this channel.
@magnusprobus4777
@magnusprobus4777 Год назад
One thing you did not mention is that Bronze statues do exist and have been known for centuries. They have been created both by ancient greeks and reinassance artists, and they are displayed in museums (for example, look up to the Riace Bronzes or the Donatello's David)
@tortenschachtel9498
@tortenschachtel9498 Год назад
Were they painted, too?
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify Год назад
Making bronze statues goes much further back than the Greeks, there are examples known from 2500 BCE. The Greeks are notable for making them life sized, a difficult task for lost wax casting.
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
​@@tortenschachtel9498 check out some with the eyes still intact! hauntingly lifelike. i wouldnt be surprised if they were painted - but ancient greek mythology has a whole thing with past generations of humans being made of bronze - it could literally be what they were going for - or perhaps the statues helped influence the mythology. but definitely check out the bronze sculptures with eyes, they appear to be looking into your soul! haha😂
@samuelparry7877
@samuelparry7877 Год назад
Wait a second this is just the same video you’ve made 2 times already
@alloutpotato7939
@alloutpotato7939 Год назад
Identity politics really do be the worst modern concept
@12321dantheman
@12321dantheman Год назад
Some of the reconstructions with bright garish colours might be going too far the other way though. Like, they found a fleck of red paint residue on a torso and said 'yep, this entire torso was painted bright, solid red'
@zennvirus7980
@zennvirus7980 Год назад
And if you are going to repaint the statues, then use the pigments corresponding to the culture and era. Or emulate them as closely as possible. Yes, natural dyed indigo is a pain to produce, but if you cannot procure it, then don't substitute. What colors were used by the Romans? What pigments they employed? Investigate them, create a sample, and if that paint is too expensive to reproduce, then just make a 3D model using a computer to generate an image with the right color pallet and stick it next to the exhibit with the legend "this is how this sculpture looked before the elements washed most of the color, and it got buried in a muddy pit and whitewashed like a bone".
@happydemon3038
@happydemon3038 Год назад
Whitewashed architecture was a thing in Medieval times as well. Where castles were whitewashed by the ones who made them, because a white castle is a striking visual that showed your wealth and influence to keep it clean as well. These are times way before the mass enslavement of Africans. So no, the origin of whitewashed architecture is not to justify slavery, it's a flex on your contemporaries. And as people continued to be wealthy into future eras, and new elites want to show that they are also among the elite, they just continued the whitewashed architecture.
@ANDELE3025
@ANDELE3025 Год назад
A entire video dedicated to batshit insane reaches that make pike formations seem like toothpicks. Impressive.
@Aconspiracyofravens1
@Aconspiracyofravens1 Год назад
is this a follow up or a repost? either way I am glad you are covering this important subject!
@johanedfors3899
@johanedfors3899 Год назад
I like the unpainted statues, but that's because it feels less cheap than a plasticy looking painted one. But to the Romans and ancient Greeks, colors were symbols of wealth, which means a painted statue would symbolize wealth more to them than me.
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 Год назад
Not really, marble had always been expensive ^^'
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
​@@krankarvolund7771 yeah its bizarre how people are literally just making things up in this thread
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Год назад
@@krankarvolund7771 Marble was still expensive, but pigments (at least for some colours, especially red, blue, and purple) were much more expensive in the classical era than they are today, especially ones that lasted a long time. Johan isn't wrong. The marble was cheap _compared to the paint._
@sic5764
@sic5764 Год назад
If you look at any roman painting or mosaic you always see realistic looking colors, shading etc, nobody can tell me they did that for everything but some of the most expensive and most public things they had. The plasticy look, in my eyes is just scientist screwing up, not the way the romans or greeks actually painted their statues, at most it was the base paint with every other layer seemingly having been lost due to the sun.
@NIGHTGUYRYAN
@NIGHTGUYRYAN Год назад
​@@nathangamble125 absolutely not. the argument makes no sense. the statues were incredibly expensive and time consuming to create. whoever commissioned them would want them painted beautifully. the artist doing the painting would be trained in the craft of producing their own paints and pigments, it was part of the professional craft. an artists job was to know how to crush up their own pigments to create the paint and then paint them. yes these painters were expensive and yes their supplies were expensive - but nowhere near the cost of a professional sculptor and the supplies needed to carve the figure (including the marble - the most expensive aspect of the whole production). whether it was a private client, the governing body, or the religious temple commisioning the statue - it would be a massively expensive and time consuming thought out process, and the idea that it was actually the paint that was so expensive to the whole ordeal is ludicrous. its like buying a brand new mercedes, but oooh its the paint job that really sets you back. please, if you dont know what youre talking about, why say anything.
@knate44
@knate44 Год назад
You aren't completely wrong but I have some concerns about the timeline. Scientific racism was a thing, and Fascism does cling to idealized ancient Rome and Greece (while also misrepresentating them like by scrubbing Roman sexuality) , but IIRC best estimates put the start of the Atlantic slave trade around 1526 which is after the deaths of Leonardo and Raphael who are partly credited with the "high rennisance" in Italy where the whole revival began, because like, Rome. Even michalenglo was more into architecture at the time and was pretty much done with statues and paintings he took inspiration from. So while the end result is the same, how we got there is kind different, Italians were obsessed with the form and body structures of the statues more than the colours which was expressed more through paintings.
@laurenconrad1799
@laurenconrad1799 Год назад
You’re commenting on costume and set inaccuracies in medieval-set films? This feels like an Adam-Bernadette/Karolina fusion and I love it! Lol
@pepealexandre
@pepealexandre Год назад
Now I want to play Age of Empires, and I don't know why......
@mikelms20
@mikelms20 Год назад
I will never quite understand how either side likes to forget mediterranean people exist, Cleopatra wasn't black or white, nor was Julius Caesar or Alexander. Mediterranean peoples (Spain, Egypt, Libya, Greece, Turkey, Italy, etc) come in a huge variety of colors and shades; my own skin can go from pale olive or even greyish in winter to a bronze tan in the summer; from this alone and all the trade going around the antiquity would have been really quite colorful, and that's just skin. Far rights don't know that paint has been a thing for thousands of years? Hieroglyphs were painted, they just preserved a lot better indoors in a dry environment, what? the greeks didn't know how to make paint? Despite the many descriptions of color and heraldry in the epics? The wind and sun corroded the colors!
@mikeakachorlton
@mikeakachorlton Год назад
'We've been lied to' - by whom? Your clickbait title is irritating because you point out that the experts explain that the statues were painted (and they've been saying this for at least 20 years, btw). If people choose to listen to anyone else more fool them. This feels like a filler video so you can milk the sponsor than a video with much real content to it.
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