I responded to a Reddit thread years ago of someone asking if an SSD would speed up their PS3. I was down voted because I said it would, but brainlets on reddit said the SATA speeds would make it not be any faster. Go figure then a non moving drive is faster than a moving drive. Who'd thunk that. Great video!
Did you miss the part where SSDs were hecking expensive back then? The bump in load times wasn't big enoug to justify a ludicrously expensive 128gb SSD over getting dramatically more space for less with a 500gb HDD. Yeah, physics, obviously, but also the price you paid for what you got back then was a big consideration.
@@KiraSlith This was like in 2016, they weren't particularly expensive back then. I can't find the exact thread I was on but go look up the thread "A question regarding hard drives 2016" people were saying that.
I had to go to select the gaming tag to see this recommendation, so I doubt it works have been recommended unless I started watching quite a few more gaming related films.
@@pathfindercast i will explain , Sony is now working on a PS2\PS3 Emulator on PS5 , if you got the Disc you can play "thing" ... too boost its sales of the console that staggered since new games are awful this days, so they payed YT to boost any PS3\PS2 video... simple , now any PS3\PS2 vid does crazy numberos ... even i can see that on my side
I sorta miss the High School arguments of why PS3 was better than 360 at the time. Of course I'm not as close minded to Xbox now. But back then I was all in on PS3. I mostly just liked being different in school.
@@sonicstarman9663 😂😂 I was the same way but I really did love playstation back then. The ps2 and ps3 were the first consoles I bought with my own money
@@sonicstarman9663 I was a person who owned a Nintendo Wii, and it was worth it. Considering the longevity and least expensive route compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3's issues were on the console, The Nintendo Wii would be the last console I would ever get in the 7th generation, before I moved on to COD Black Ops 1 in 2011, and then eventually PC gaming in 2015 and never looked back.
@@SuperFlashDriver I'm definitely more of a Nintendo and PC guy now. Other than Nintendo, SEGA, Square Enix and sometimes Bandai Namco, Insomniac and Capcom, and other Sony studios, I don't care about most triple a games. Most of the games I play on my PC, are older games that I missed out on or indie games that would more than likely appeal to a Nintendo fan. I still go back to consoles sometimes mostly because I prefer Linux over Windows. Steam Proton is awesome. But it's still hit or miss outside of Steam.
@@sonicstarman9663 Yeah. I used to be a Nintendo fan on their consoles but I stopped buying them after the Nintendo Wii. Linux on the other hand I have not tried out yet so that's something I've yet to ssee and check out someday.
One thing I saw when I upgraded to a ssd on my ps3, when using heavy titles like GTAV or metal Gear 4/5 and black ops 2 was instant texture pop in. Where all the game assets loaded properly and quickly. Also load time diminished.
Yes, it only just takes a mere 7 hours to install gran Turismo 6. PS3 always was a deeply flawed piece of hardware with usability issues. Thankfully, pretty much every noteworthy game it had was rereleased and improved on PS4.
Such a great console that it never got forwards compatibility with PS4 or 5 because of it's wierd architecture lol. It was a nightmare to develop for and still is an emulation nightmare.
Another benefit of the SSD is the thermals. Mechanical drives generate a lot more heat which the console has to work even harder to dissipate and cool. By using an SSD, you're keeping the internal temps down and prolonging the life of the console and reducing YLOD.
Literally doesn't make any noticeable difference. Your console is constantly working with 100s of watts of heat from the main motherboard alone, so a few watts less will do nothing. It was designed with HDDs so it'll continue to run fine.
I recently upgraded my PS3 with an SSD and although it only makes a marginal difference to load times due to SATA 1 speeds, it makes a MASSIVE difference to both the snappiness of the XMB and level streaming in game. When playing GTA 4, it used to take about 7 seconds to load in everything around me and nothing would load in when travelling at massive speeds, now everything loads almost instantaneously and traversal stutter is completely gone
If you have a backwards compatible, especially an A01 or B01, this makes the most amount of sense for loading up a BUNCH of PS2 games to the internal storage! Makes it where you don’t have to go look for discs or worry about wearing out lasers!
Even if you're running slim models you can back up Ps2 discs and run the games off ISO's stored in the harddrive, its NUTS I was hesitant to upgrade from my fat model because i was misconstrued into believing i would be locked out of PS2 games but she may now rest safely while i run my slim to bone😖
@@HollowedCrow Yeah, but compatibility is a bit hit and miss, around 10% of my PS3 collection doesn't work on my PS3 slim (I have ~180 games, 15-20 have various types of issues, or straight up don't load).
Two things to note about the installation of fear 3. It's either a limitation of the BluRay drive or a limitation of the SATA generation that both HDD and SSD are connected to. It's likely that it's a little of both. Even HDDs saw an improvement in performance shifting from SATA 3 gbps to SATA 6 gbps
I had a spare HDD and SSD (both 1tb) laying about and put the HHD in my PS3 slim because I heard that unless games were digital or very hard drive bound, the results are negligible. Granted that was before I got games like GT5 and GT6. Thanks for the video to show differences!
hard drives are serviceable if you don't mind waiting, but if it's capable of taking an ssd you should probably put one in. The only systems that I don't think would benefit from an ssd are really old systems where their slow cpu is the bottleneck, something like a ps2 or older if it has storage. The original xbox also I think would barely benefit at all from an ssd. The main benefit in these cases is just the increased reliability and noise reduction from an ssd
what good is LBP on PS3 if all the servers are shut down? you making levels to play with your friends locally? playing the story? I just made a track in LBP karting for the first time in like 10 years, but LBP Karting at least does not have a working PS4 game as a replacement.
@@Unlucky1776 TLOU I’ve noticed it load in about 5-10 seconds, GTA5 still takes some time to load but if you’re going very fast you won’t deal with objects randomly appearing in front of you as they typically would with the stock HDD.
Nice work! I have a 480GB SSD in my PS3. Load times are good (and the XMB is very snappy). I might try to copy the data into a 2.5-inch HDD (either with the backup utility or Acronis) in order to compare loading times. I don't plan to compare install times thought.
Comment a little late, but without a doubt the game that benefited most from SSD on the PS3 was Final Fantasy 14, and I'm not even talking about loading times but rather about real influence on the game. There were cases of NPCs, enemies, or players not loading because the PS3's HDD couldn't support a game of this scale, and to be honest, just having this game run on the PS3 was incredible. But the SSD really made an absurd difference, I recommend anyone interested in the subject to take a look at a comparison.
I installed an SSD in my ps3 super slim in 2015. At that time, I suggested that it was worth it. The SSD I used was a cheap lower end one. The SSD is still in there, working like a champ. Still no issues after all these years. Granted, this all was published on a website that shut down nearly 5 years ago. I'm glad to see that people are trying new things with the devices they have.
I installed an ssd years ago the added benefit is that you have a ton of free space. Remember guys games were a lot smaller (storage) than they are today! I still have the PS3 today and it still works great.
Absolutely. Games were below the 10gb/15gb limit for the discs and games, Xbox 360 were usually under 10Gb (near the 7/8gb mark, and Nintendo Wii is near the same amount of gigabytes (4/5gbs) as the ones from the PS2 & Xbox 2001 console (aka Original Xbox, The First Variation of the Xbox console). If there are SSDs you can get that are 4Tbs, you can fit the entire PS3 library, including PS2 and PS1, and still be able to play these games with excellent storage capacity and speed.
@SuperFlashDriver ps3 is limited to under 2TB as it uses MBR. You can use 1tb internal (safer then the 1.5tb mod) and get external hdd to load your isos using webman irisman
@@mannyjoseph4520 Ahhh you were talking about the console...Sorry, I must have talked about emulation...Sorry for the confusion. But I would say it would have to be separate TB hard disk drives to switch back and fourth for different game installs then (If I end up having more than twenty games or so to play on the actual PS3 console).
Bro is so passionate about games and technology that got me thinking about going back to my PS3 and give it the SSD treatment along with getting a FEAR 3 copy lol Thanks for the video
I enjoy how you have a little snippet of info and your own opinion with every game you use, Infamous 1 and 2 are great ways to look at the ps3 development life considering infamous 1 was a release title and infamous released near the end of the ps3 life cycle. The ps3 architecture was tricky and took longer to learn how it works compared to other consoles. I also suggest you play them in order, the story would make more sense
Yes I’ve noticed MUCH less fan noise and you also hear no noise from the Hard Drive as there is no disc in a SSD. XMB is much snappier and the PSN store actually works. Installation of data is WAY faster and I’ve noticed games like Arkham Orgins has less hitching when auto saving. Not a crazy big improvement, but overall the little things all add up and just makes the quality of life experience much better. And SSD’s are so cheap now there isn’t really a reason not too. I got a 1TB Samsung SSD for the PS3 for about 80bucks
I fitted a cheap 256GB one years ago, when prices got so low they were peanuts. All modem SATA SSDs would saturate PS3's SATA interface, it was always the random read and write that made PS3 so much faster in XMB. It sped up installation and loading in several games, helping out MGS4 and Gran Turismo 5 in my own tests. GT6 had several infamously huge patches that could crash PS3 if you didn't install one at a time- with an SSD it could manage it all at once.
Hey Champ, all of my ps3 videos are using the Samsung EVO 870 1tb and I use hardware upscaling too. Last thing, if you want the absolute best from the ps3, the RSX must be overclocked. Ive tried a few and the 750Mhz boost is just excellent 🥊🥊🔥🙏
Always wanted to do this project myself with my own fat PS3 but sadly I had no controllers and eventually gave up, glad to see someone else had the idea and uploaded it.
I've run SSD''s in my PS3 for over a decade. I used to use the Play TV accessory that turned the PS3 into a DVR. Using a SSD made a huge difference in the responsiveness of the UI, especially when it came to deleting files or performing other tasks while the device was recording. The biggest argument against using a SSD is the fact that the PS3 doesn't support TRIM. This will likely result in a shorter life span for the SSD. But a lot will come down to how often you use the PS3. And in todays age where you can jailbreak the PS3 to backup everything, having the SSD fail isn't a huge issue, more an inconvenience. However, as mentioned, I ran a 120gb Samsung SSD in my PS3 for many years with heavy use without any issues. It still works today.
This is a great video, it's what sold me on grabbing an SSD for my PS3 rather than relying on the stock drive. I ended up grabbing a 512GB one and it fits every single game I ever wanted to play on it! Regarding the Gran Turismo 6 portion where the icons load in, playing Destiny on PS3 is the same way. Pressing start opens the menu, where by default on the HDD all the icons slowly load in and make the system laggy until they're finished. On SSD, they load in nearly instantly, letting me swap weapons in under a second. It's life-changing!
I know this video is a year old, but I had read sometime towards the end of the PS3 lifespan that in addition to some quicker load times as you demonstrated here, that games that requires swap space for assets stored on the drive would show benefits as well. I remember the first RAGE when I played it and still had a spinning HDD in the PS3. The texture load in alone was pretty brutal in that game. But after putting in the SSD, the texture loads were almost non existent. I'be bee installing SSDs in most all of my storage based consoles since. Including one in my PS4 Pro and even my PS2. Am I getting the performance of the SSD on most of these consoles? No, but the added benefits you have shown in addition to many other mentioned in previous comments are why I did.
320 gb is enough if u play no moded console , as on ps3 it's often semi install game for the game of end of era , 2012 - 2017 game from start era 2006 - 2011 , won"t install anything ( of physical ) they was rare
I swapped out the HDD with a 1TB Samsung SSD in my PS4 Pro and it made a huge difference; however, I’d like to do the same with my launch day PS3. Awesome video, bro!
Just to let you know, you don't need multiman open while copying your game via FTP. You can just get your PS3 IP and just connect and copy files without even touching multiman. Although, I do have webman mod installed, so this might be the reason, I can't confirm. Anyway, multiman still puts a slight load on the console and I prefer not running it for 2 hours while I copy stuff.
some games have issues with SSD on PS3 and since the Biggest drive without going through hoops you can install is 1TB going with an SSHD is the best solution for PS3 sure some games will load several seconds faster but some won't so considering you only get this with of course the issues some games has it's not worth it
Note on the write speed differences. The no-name SSD used in the video is absolutely lowest shelf category and DRAMless, so with a non QLC drive with DRAM the console would perform way-way better most likely in the ftp scenario for example
there's other benefits besides loading times. when GTAV released, i couldn't even properly play it on the PS3. pop-ins while driving made it unplayable. whole buildings and trees would just appear out of nowhere, because of how slow the old HDD streamed data. threw in an SSD, and i was able to play the game to completion just fine.
i played gta 3 in 2013 and stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 ( blue western ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , but ssd is far more better , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 piece of laoding , bcuz data is more near , an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first date will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
5200rpm HDD really does drag compared to solid state Certain instances seem to also be limited by the CPU and ram prioritizations due to the PS3's optimization.
gt6 is bad exemple the game is full of small file , small file is make reading more slow tha same among of data in 1 big file , that why this game is slow to install too on ps3
Good thing I saw this the same week I decided to finally open up my Backwards compatible ps3 for the first time since 2009 for cleaning, refreshing the paste and all that, I remember back in 201...3? I changed the stock HDD for a higher capacity one and never touched it again but now, with cheap ssds, and considering I refreshed it all up, might just buy an ssd and chuck it there.
For GT 6 in practice you might not notice that much, the game loads the map as you tune your car, so if you are used to tuning your car before racing, it will be almost instantaneously, just try it, open the start race menu and wait a few seconds before pressing to start, it will take less time to load as it would have already loaded part of it
The tests conducted in this video were just loading of the save file. The games still took quite a while (20sec or so) to load because they are loaded from their game discs.
What lots of people dont talk about is the fact that while the PS3 has a SATA port its actually converted from USB 3.0 So you are getting really slow speeds from that SATA slot. Maybe a PS3 Slim fixed it giving native SATA but i doubt it. Second, one of biggest benefits of using a SSD is going to the PS store and navigation everything is smooth as butter while the HDD takes forever to load stuff up and menus are chugging alone. Lastly what no one online talks about is Textures. Look at a game like boarderlands or something that is trying to stream data. You will have things loading in late. With an SSD everything loads in clear. The PS3 was an interesting system that quite frankly got cut back to save money that it really hurt it in the end. Im more excited to see emulation in the next 5 years making these games run like they should have.
usb 3 don't existed in 2006 , when ps3 was created i played gta 3 in 2013 and with stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 n 80 gb model ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 ( blue western ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , but ssd is far more better , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 piece of laoding , bcuz data is more near , an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first date will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
A major overhead factor in load speeds for most PS3 games is the decompression of assets. It doesn’t really matter how fast read speeds are if the data being read isn’t immediately useable, and virtually every PS3 game was made with some form of data compression, even on disc-based games (for some reason), meaning that data can’t just be directly streamed off of the disc, and therefore not off the hard drive either (and any data stored on the drive normally by the game would have been encrypted anyway). This is why PS5 games tend to be significantly larger than their PS4 counterparts - files are uncompressed specifically to minimize load times by eliminating the decompression step on anything that could be needed “instantly” or on-demand. It’s a HUGE difference in philosophy but one that could only be made possible by requiring an SSD. That’s why there’s diminishing returns on older consoles which were never even designed with SSDs in mind.
ps5 are encrypted file too , kraken compression but a chip specialy made for that is used , it's not cpu who uncrypt , even regular ssd now are fully encrypted inside ( kingston by exemple ) , but it's cannot be seen by user , what is made slow in ps3 is the chunk of small file , that why gt6 is so slow for install , the game is full of small file , hdd are not good when file are small , it's add more acces time
gta 5 use streaming of bluray directly for by exemple reading music of radio , if u put cover of ur ps3 open and slow the drive bluray with your finger the music will have skipping like a cd audio , that mean ps3 is fully capable to read on the fly from bluray disk , but it's not used often just for older game or mid game era 2006 -2011 , after that ps3 start to have semi install for end gen game ( 2011-2017 game )
My brother was an early adopter of SSDs....he had a 32GB SSD but he didn't pay $699 for it...I think he bought it when it was like $300...I thought he was crazy for paying $300 for 32GB when you could get like a 250GB or 320GB mechanical drive for about half that....but at the same time I wasn't into PC gaming at that time....What I used a PC for was very light...web browsing, listening to music and watching videos. About 6 years ago I got into PC gaming and realized how important an SSD really is...I had a laptop with a 512GB SSD and 1TB mechanical drive and put my AAA games on the SSD and put stuff like emulators, ROMs, music and movies on the mechanical drive. Now I just have an SSD in my laptop and just need more space for everything I do on it...
I installed an SSD (1TB Crucial MX500) in my PS4 at the end of 2020 and have been happy with it. So last summer, when I spotted the 500GB model of the MX500 selling for just £30 on Amazon UK, I thought I'd upgrade my PS3 Slims 160GB HDD. And I've been happy with the results, like the PS4 the PS3 UI feels, for lack of a better term, snappier on an SSD. It was cheap enough where I figured it would be worth it either way, and as I run stock OS (ie not CFW), 500GB is plenty of space for me personally. When I did the backup & restore, I only had about 40-50GB of data, so was able to use a 64GB USB stick. It took about 2.5hrs for the backup then 90m for the restore. I know that with an SSD you may eventually run into issues, due to the lack of TRIM support. But personally I always keep save backups etc. so it's less of a concern and you could always do a backup to a spare USB HDD and then restore that, if/when you ran into issues. Also for those on CFW looking to maximise the storage, there's conflicting info whether the PS3 supports max of 1TB or 1.5TB. But a 1TB HDD or SSD is probably a safer bet. As for what SSD to pick, some will suggest any cheap SSD as the PS3 is only SATA 1, but I'm not so sure. Cheaper SSDs typically have no DRAM cache, which can effect performance & lifespan, and may even have slower writes than a HDD. All I can say is my PS3 & PS4 run well on the MX500 drives, so those are what I'll typically recommend.
max without moded ps3 is 1.5 tb hdd , i ever try , if u want use 2 tb drive u have to cloning 1.5 tb on 2 tb first bcuz ps3 is not capable to manage or partitionnate 2 tb drive , but 1.5 tb is not easy to have and often slow , 1 TB is overkill without CFW , i same of you my ps3 is not hacked and 500 and 320 gb is far enough
don't worry life of ssd are used by writing and not by reading , if u not install 50 game per day u will never use ur lifespan into a ps3 , ps3 only write when save ( some Few megabyte per save ) and at install , never during the gameplay , you ssd will live 20 year without problem inside a ps3 , even a ps4 ( although a ps4 can have more writing than ps3 ) so don't worry , 1 tb ssd can be use 300 tb of writing , will u ever write 300 tb of game on ps3 ? that mean writing the disk fully everyday for 1 year lol , impossible ps3 is to slow for write 1 tb per day it's will last 15 year more , my ssd kingston v300 , 120 gb is still run fine on my pc now i bought 12 year ago with my ps3 , my ps3 was die already 2 time since this time , but my ssd still fine 47 TB of reading and almost 30 tb of writing for almost 12 year
dram cache do'nt affect the reading , it's only when u writing/installing , as when u install game on ps3 u can northing else during this process ( is not a pc ) , it's totaly useless to have dram ssd in ps3 ,it's wont install your game faster , ps3 is limited by is acces network , even with fiber i never go faster than 5 or 6 mb/sec of donwloading on ps3 , the network even 1gbps is locked around 50 mbs/s not even the half of ethernet 100 mb , 1gps network on ps3 is totaly useless if if ps3 is compatible ethernet 1 gbps ( maybe for transfert console to console ) or sony restrained the network now maybe
I installed an SSD into my PS3 back in 2010 using a 128Gb. System remained cooler longer, faster install & level load times, less jaggies, & smoother gameplay. I installed an SSD in my base & Pro PS4 as well.
One thing that you might have not considered in testing is memory compression and decompression. With an SSD textures pop instantly with the highest resolution possible, while with a hard drive they took a split second, it was noticeable. I remember finding this with Borderlands when turning around. All in all, an SSD in your PS3 is the best investment you can make if you like the console. It's not my favorite, and it's actually one of my least played consoles, but it definitely has a solid catalog that would benefit from an investment in a 1tb or 2tb sata SSD. Just for advice: look for some that has cache, the less expensive ones don't have it and it's noticeable, I think that the extra ten bucks are worth it.
Hey OP, while loading from the disc vs SSD, were you loading the disc with an HDD installed, or an SSD? Playing Payday 2 with a disc + SSD in my PS3, I still load into an online map much faster than everyone else.
Great question. I did have an HDD installed, but it was completely full and therefore no disc space for the game. I would imagine that loading from disc + SDD with enough free space would give some performance improvements.
@pathfindercast some games, like GTAV, utilize loading of installed hard drive data but also streaming off the disc at the same time to efficiently load assets. A digital copy of GTAV loads slower on ps3/360 than using a disc copy with data installed.
if u don't need more capacity u can cloning ssd from hdd on ps3 ( ps4 wont work bcuz ps4 read the number serial of hdd for know when u change hdd friom the console ) and serial number is not cloned during process ( it's stored on chip ) , but on ps3 it's work if u cloning hdd on same machine of course ( cloning 500 gb by exemple on 512 gb ssd ) won't require any install , but u can't gain any capacity if u cloning 250 gb on 500 gb Sdd u will only have 250 gb perfect replica , u won't be able to gain full capicity or realocate some free space , for that u need fresh reinstall
The main question I have is this: what kind of SSD did you purchase? Was it one with a DRAM Cache and high quality NAND? Or was it a cheap no-name SSD. Because some SSDs can perform worse than a hard drive if they’re made too cheaply.
@@mindrover777 around $30 can get you a good sata SSD with either a dram or slc cache. But, the market is also flooded with extremely poorly made ssds that sometimes are slower than a hard drive. No matter the budget, I was just curious on which one was used in the video. Also, to anybody seeing this: do not buy any WD Blue SATA SSDs - after having to deal with the horrendous speeds while trying to explain to friends and customers about why their computer is being slow with a newly purchased SSD, I had explain this exact principle.
Considering how inexpensive SSDs are now, it's definitely worth it. Beyond improving loading times, it eliminates the lag that occurs when populating menu lists in both the XMB and in-game. No more disk seek!
The size of the hardrive would also affect the performance, he did not mention if the HD used was brand new or the size and rpm speeds on the video, if you tried to pick the fastest HD drive at the max supported size for the ps3, the difference in performance should become minimal as the cap becomes the conector, I believe the ps3 must use something equivalent to a IDE conector with 150mbs or a sata 2 with 300mbs
@@3750gustavo these ps3 hdd are alos very bad from 2006 to 2008 than last Hdd from by exemple 2012's hdd here my exemple : i played gta 3 in 2013 with stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 n hdd toshiba mx made in 2008 ) extremely slow hdd ( 50-65 mb/sec ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 hdd ( blue western with 120 mb/Sec of speed 1 TB model ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , ( i bough Ssd 120 gb at this time for 20£ more than this 1 Tb hdd ( i still use it in my pc after almost 12 year and it's run by the way kingston V300 if u want know ) but ssd is far more better i agree , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density per surface ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 attempt of laoding , bcuz data is more near physicaly , the head will move '' less '' an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first data will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( where hdd is more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner center zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
SSD for PS3 is pointless , replaced the 120GB Hitachi Travelstar 5K160 HTS545012B9SA00 5400rpm that is only SATA-150 with a Seagate Baracuda 1TB 7200RPM SATA III... Hitachi max speed on PC was 99MBs Burst (normal read is 33MB to 68MB) , the 1TB Seagate speed is 260 MB/s for the first 350GB, then its 180MB/s to 155MB/s for the rest ... Reads\Writes are unreal , since now the PS3 uses the Full SATA1.5 interface aka constant 150 MB/s
Infamous and Infamous 2 are just about my favorite games on the PS3. Yes, I highly recommend you play Infamous (the original) in addition to its sequel ! It would make more sense to play them in order for the storyline. It's not 100% necessity IMO
i just borught the infamous collection on ps3 store. i know i had infamous and infamous 2. some reason infamous stopped working, so i brought hte collection to have festival and all the other dlcs
I installed a ssd in my ps3 too. The big thing holding back the ssd speed is the ps3 sata controller which a sata I. The iops are way better than a spinning hdd.
One of the biggest differences for me was dark souls 2, going from disc which loaded 20-30 seconds on deaths or teleporting to about 5 seconds with an ssd
I got an SSD just so the XMB would quit stuttering, the hard drives used even in the PS3 slims are way way worse than the ones eventually used in the PS4. The loading times in games are not that bad but it's the responsiveness that really counts
these ps3 hdd are alos very bad from 2006 to 2008 than last Hdd from by exemple 2012's hdd here my exemple : i played gta 3 in 2013 with stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 n hdd toshiba mx made in 2008 ) extremely slow hdd ( 50-65 mb/sec ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 ( blue western with 120 mb/Sec of speed ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , but ssd is far more better , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 pacces of laoding , bcuz data is more near physicaly , an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first date will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner center zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
hdd ps3 is bad for density too they was made almost 15 year ago and they was often not even reach the limit of sata 1 themself , last Hdd 2.5 , 1 Tb or 2 tb is far more faster , i guess the better HDD in 2.5 inch is almost 165 mb/sec hdd from ps3 from 2006 by exemple it's 50-60 mb/sec of reading speed depend the brand and 35 - 45 mb /of writing
This upgrade has 2 other bonuses that makes it worth it the XMB Menu works better but also games perform slightly better not just loading faster but actually playing closer to what they should've played as since the console doesn't have to allocate as many resources to loading the game anymore once its loaded its loaded
It's a freaking massive improvement. So much so a few games actually perform better due to less loading pauses dragging the minimums down. It's incredible and totally worth it if you love your PS3. Get one with high endurance. I got a 500GB 860 Evo for mine and it should last the life of the console with care.
life or ssd are affected by writing only i will never install 300 tb of game inside a 1 tb hdd inside a ps3 , even if u want install fully and deleted the sdd everyday, ps3 is too slow for have 1 gb of data per day from network , that mean even with 10 % of that , ur ssd will last at last 10 x more , go for it , life is not a problem , gaming don't use ssd on ps3 , ps3 don't write during game it's only reading and save of few mb/sec wont never use the writing life of any ssd , even i try to install 1 tb per day ( if u can have so many data per day what i doubt bcuz sony server is limited around 5 or 6 mb /sec , u will never get 1 tb per 24hour ) so u can rest rassured of life of your ssd
there is uneven time stamp calculation between both version. on SSD you wait 5 more seconds when picking up main menu due "first time introduction info screen come up" on the HDD side you don't get this because you were played it before. so it should be 01:38+5 more second and on SSD side 01:07-5 second if you want to match with HDD version Edit: The part I point is here: 01:51
ive got a 1tb ssd in my ps3 slim... been in there about 2 years, its perhaps marginally faster but its more consistent which was a bigger factor for me... and more reliable.
these ps3 hdd are alos very bad from 2006 to 2008 than last Hdd from by exemple 2012's hdd here my exemple : i played gta 3 in 2013 with stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 n hdd toshiba mx made in 2008 ) extremely slow hdd ( 50-65 mb/sec ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 ( blue western with 120 mb/Sec of speed ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , but ssd is far more better , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 pacces of laoding , bcuz data is more near physicaly , an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first date will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner center zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
I installed a SSHD on my PS3 years ago and it does its thing good enough, 15€ for 500+8GB back in 2021, despite the tiny NAND cache everything is much smoother, even the XMB UI. They are no longer produced AFAIK (as soon the NAND got cheaper as it is today the mechanical part become pointless and they got retired) so a SSD is a must now, but note the PS3 System Software doesn't support the ATA TRIM command, the SSD will suffer degraded performance after quite some write and delete cycles (being a console it will take time but it will eventually happen).
I am genuinely wondering how much of a difference it would make comparing the old 2006 hard drive tested in this video against a new hard drive. i mean they are like double the speed nowadays.
So as many people said, the old SATA bus in the PS3 and the Cell are the real bottlenecks here. However, NAND flash has way less latency accesing files than an HDD that has to position the read/write head and wait for the disc to spin under it. The more files need to be accessed out of sequence the more pronounced this speed difference is. Now that 1TB of each cost essentially the same amount...sure go for the SSD. It hasn't been the case tho for a long time and no way I'll spend most of a day to migrate my PS3 drive for a couple of seconds of gain unless I absolutely have to.
where the ssd is going to really show an improvement in is games like gta there is a lot of pop in loading of assests large open worlds a perfect example is the game Rage it has a huge wasteland map to explore and has a lot of texture pop in with an ssd that is basically gone which in turn also means a smoother experience overall because some of those textures do create some stuttering while playing. either way great video keep it up thanks for sharing
Interesting. Some of those HDDs are almost 20 years old now so unfortunately I can see why many of them start fail now, even when they may have spent most of their time powered off due to their magnetic properties.
@pathfindercast I thought I wouldn't have any problems because of what others have said. Maybe I have an hdd death touch. Acquaintance brought me his 10 dollar 1tb hhd, and it would read. Then I even brought it best buy, and they couldn't figure out either. I noticed some people don't like ssd, but I think they're going by old information.
Great video! at the time you released it i could very well have been doing similar testing on an xbox one x with an SSD, a mechanical drive, and a hybrid which leads me to a little bit of constructive criticism (whether or not you've changed things since, i do not know, so this could be void now) and that's with the testing from booting the game to gameplay, which whilst still being a very valid real-world test (as sometimes you just want to jump into a game) i find it flawed due to the often unskippable intros, and the navigation of menus. I find it better to split it into 2 separate tasks (boot to main menu, and from clicking play to being in game) as this more accurately represents the load times which you will encounter much more frequently (e.g. you beat a level and go onto the next, or die and re-load) and as such i consider it a more important metric, and because it cuts out the unavoidable intros and shows you the actual performance difference of the drives
these ps3 hdd are alos very bad from 2006 to 2008 than last Hdd from by exemple 2012's hdd here my exemple : i played gta 3 in 2013 with stock Hdd from 2008 ps3 ( my ps3 was from 2008 n hdd toshiba mx made in 2008 ) extremely slow hdd ( 50-65 mb/sec ) is more slower than Hdd made in 2012 by exemple , i changed my ps3 for 1 tb hdd from 2012 ( blue western with 120 mb/Sec of speed ) at this time and it's was already better than poor 80 gb stock Hdd , but ssd is far more better , don't forget than 1 gb Hdd have more density per inch than 80 gb hdd ( almost 12 x more density ) that mean that platter will have less '' space ''' between 2 pacces of laoding , bcuz data is more near physicaly , an hdd is always faster also when it's emply than full ( the first date will fast but to newest data will be slower ) , because data is placed on the outer zone first ( more fast ) , where more speed reading is maximal , innner center zone of Hdd is more slow ( less density ) that why if u install gt5 in fresh empty hdd itt's better than when ur ps3 is full after so many year and 20 game already installed before him , data will be placed installed in lower density and inner zone of disk ( the end of disk ) , where is more slow too , the head of hdd have also less Cm/inch to move , it's can reduce the acces time ( not same ssd of course ) if your game is installed in fresh disk empty ( as u cannot partitionate hdd ps3 ) it's the only way to force your ps3 to put the outer zone data where u want , so install your big game first on empty disk , and install the small game after at end where low density is not a problem for play ,, as ps3 have not defragmentation system , if u want your data is installed in outer zone of your disk with faster reading area , u have to delete all first game and reinstall the '' big game '' first ,i recomand to install game open world first , all these game where texture can popup without loading , but on the fly loading , and after install all you small game behind it's can really improve your ps3 even without ssd and use a big Hdd , bigger hdd can still have 120 mb/sec of transfert , ( 1 gb hdd western blue or western black , where first hdd 60 gb and 80 gb was made from toshiba ( ps3 fat ) and very slow 50-70 mb/per sec max they was alrrady not good hdd at this time compared to the last hdd in 2.5 inch ssd have not this problem
3:19 That kind of reminds me of Fable 2 on X360. The difference between playing it off the DVD and off the HDD. With the DVD, the menus would stutter with every single item. While with the HDD, the menus were completely smooth.
dvd is worst that normal , the max speed of dvd at this era was around 22 mb/Sec ( in outer zone ) far worst than BAd hdd's of 2006 era , (5O Mb/sec everage speed for hdd 2.5 from 2005 2006 era ) the last hdd from 2012- 2013 , 1 tb and 2 tb is more fast too around 120 Mb /sec of reading they have more density per inch of surface ,
on a normal hdd the map will disappear in gta v on ps3 while driving really fast SSD fixed this isssue game fully downloaded to the drive btw not disc version
