Remastered for viewers in blocked regions. One man skirts the law and builds his own sub; while on a quest to unlock the secrets of the ocean... Final Implosion: RU-vidr atomic marvel • HUMAN BODIES vs IMPLOS... #oceangate
I served in the US Navy on two different Submarines. They are safe because of a program called SUBSAFE which was created after the loss of the USS Thresher. I was part of that program. Mr. Rush was just reckless and just after profit not ensuring the safety of his passemgers.
@@trollman591 I kinda get where his attitude comes from. I see it a lot among the lower levels of the engineering community and especially from the ones who have never actually done the things they are doing engineering work to design. Its not so much about greed and being reckless, its more often from people who are dreamers at heart that couldnt achieve their lifes dream. I see it all the time where, after failing and/or coming to accept they will not fulfill one goal they turn to another with a passionate vehemence. Its not malicious or reckless per se, though it is very closely related to that. Rather, its the desperation to achieve something. I think this guy just wanted it so much and wasnt willing to take the time to make it work or find the flaws. He ignored the fundamental lessons in engineering because he arrogantly believed he simply knew better and his desperation to achieve it just let him blindly push on. Its sad because aviation is repleate with examples of why we dont rush new designs. Just look and the de havilland comet for a perfect cross comparison to the titan. An emtirely new design and technology built using a mix of new and old ideas and pushed into service without any extensive testing. A body count is the inevitable result. Whats a shame is that the technology behind the sub could very well have done what stockton wanted it to do had it gotten more research and development. But he didnt want to take that time, he wanted it now. Well, he got it and he made the most critical mistake in engineering, he tested to failure with his own life.
"At some point safety is just pure waste." Welp, that's the last thing I would want to hear from someone designing a vessel going to the bottom of the ocean! Redundancy is the key to true safety.
Well, if you look throughout history the biggest scientific breakthroughs have been accomplished while ignoring safety and quite a few people paid the price as a result. Early experiments regarding atomic power were done without any proper safety measures partially because they didn't know and partially because they thought they could handle it. Do you think it was a good idea to use a screwdriver in the demon core incident? It definitely wasn't but they did it anyway and the person holding the screwdriver died a pretty horrific death. He was warned about it before but did it anyway. As a result they learned the effects of deadly doses of radiation and what it will do to your body. This thing here was also pretty stupid but hey, things definitely have been learned as a result and every single person who was on that sub signed papers which multiple times mentioned the risk of death and that it was and experimental vehicle. Sooooo....
@@nodlimax I was speaking for myself, if others want to die so we can all learn stuff from it then that’s up to them. Though in this particular case I think human trials were not necessary to realize his design was destined to fail. Plenty of other stuff is not as obvious and may actually need risk to discover the limits, Stockton Rush was too full of hubris to recognize the difference.
@@nodlimaxLMAO it was abundantly clear - to any non-egomaniac engineer - that his design was a disaster. We know this from multiple internal & external sources. The lack of submarine accidents in recent decades is *precisely because* of regulations - designed in response to earlier disasters. He wasn't a pioneer: he was an idiot determined to prove the hard-earned prior experience of others was wrong, like a toddler having a tantrum because he couldn't have his own way. Now he's fish food. Sham it wasn't just him.
Safety is a waste, that's why the designers of the Titanic put a few lifeboats onboard. Safety wasn't an issue, AND SO, THE TITANIC TOOK A "DIVE". What the he'll was he thinking ??? Safety isn't an issue, yeah well, I wouldn't have gone on the Titan if they paid ME to go on that submersible.🙄
@@nickl5658Yeah, but the safety rules he ignored were already common sense. This isn't the 1900s where people were working in nines and didn't know any better
@@nickl5658 he`s a pilot too.... *he should have known that very very well* likely he disposed of it as mutter mouth B.S despite flying fighter jets as a test pilot. probably my first week or two of flight school I was told ``the big reason why aviation is so utterly safe is because of our rules, lessons & experiences *written in the blood of past pilots, aircrew, and passengers* ... safety is paramount, no exceptions whatsoever``
OMG , wouldn't even want to THINK about the nightmare he would design to fly the skies...🤔🤔😗😮😮😮😖😖 cringe worthy , the very thought of him . I think he was watching too much Star Trek to think that HE could accomplish in this century what Star Trek accomplished in the 24th century. He needed to be REAL not watching cartoons and thinking "I could do that " attitude. 😖😖 WHAT was he going to do ? Design an actual STARSHIP to fly passengers around the globe ? 😄😃😃😆
I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow was responsible for the Titanic itself going down via accidental time travel shenanigans at the point of his bath toys implosion.
I had been hoping that before the submersible imploded the creator had had a long moment of clear understanding that it was going to fail. A groan of buckling structure or something. Just so he would have known what the price of his hubris was before oblivion.
@@Apoplexy1000sadly, he was toothpaste within nanoseconds. His optic and audio nerves would have been atomized long before they could transmit the catastrophic signal.
@@Apoplexy1000 contrary to what people are posting here, they were out of contact with the surface and in an uncontrolled descent in the pitch black for 10 - 15 minutes before it imploded. And while you might be going, oh haha he did get time to think about it, remember, so did 4 other innocent people. A kid and his dad... forced to hug and think about mom and beg their God for one more chance to see her. It doesn't matter if he was a billionaire, he was still real; he was still meat with feelings like the rest of us.
I think that'll be the tag line of the 21st century, for whatever posterity will be left one day😂 too many too stupid people worth too much money. Dunning-Kruger on crystal meth, that's how humanity will be remembered by whatever species evolves to interpret our scribblings after us🎉
He set the record as the first occupied submersible implosion in history. (There have been submarines that have imploded, but those a different type of craft)
Exactly. If you say "this is the safest thing" and also "there's too much regulation on this thing" then I just assume you're a total idiot, because unless you can do TONS of tests to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the regulations are indeed too strict and can be relaxed without making the thing dangerous.
As someone who works in the marine industry, that's the thing that grinds my gears the most. The classification societies are not "over the top", they represent our cumulative knowledge of how not to die at sea. The fact there were so few accidents in these subs is testament to how valuable that knowledge is, but Rush wanted to say on the one hand "look how safe it is, nobody ever dies" and "all these safety rules are over the top, we don't need them".
@@PartanBree This attitude reminds me very much of a mistake I (and many others in my position) made in my teenage years, thinking: "Hey, I've been taking this medication for years and years and I feel fine! Maybe it's time to stop taking it since I'm doing so well." only to realise after a VERY bad time that the reason I was doing so well was the god damn medication. The reason for submarines relatively low death toll is that people take their safety protocols very seriously, considering there is little to no hope of rescue at the bottom of the ocean!
Yes it’s bizarre that someone so clever or intelligent could quote stats of success which were thus because of the very rules he was proud of poo pooing 😁🐢
Yes, and he didn't point out the glaringly obvious, that with every dive the Titan was getting weaker and weaker...re the carbon fibre hull and the titanium rings.
- The Titanic wasn't responsible for this farce, Rush was. - Building a functioning city at the depths near hydrothermal vents poses more challenges than space travel. - When the sun finally dies, if the Earth even still exists it won't be able to support life anymore. The atmosphere will erode, temperatures will soar, all the water will evaporate, etc. - Gee, I wonder WHY there hadn't been any accidents on private submersibles for so long... For a so-called genius, Rush sure has some awful "logic." I wonder if this whole mess could actually qualify as something like gross negligence or malfeasance, given all the warnings, blatantly ignoring why submersibles are built the way they are, etc. If I were a family member, I'd be consulting a lawyer.
So true it’s elementary school stuff that when the Sun starts dying it becomes a Red Giant and everything from Mars inwards (including Earth) will be incinerated. His underwater cities near thermal vents is infantile moonshine.
A lawyer cant do shit cuz all of the people that went on signed a waiver and accepted that it was experimental and that they could potentially die. Its their own fault.
Both building cities on the bottom of the ocean or in a vacuum or near-vacuum environment presents the same hazard: if something goes wrong everyone dies. Remember how in The Martian a microscopic flaw in the fabric of his home got wider and wider every time he went outside until eventually one day it lead to a full depressurization disaster?
@@kestrimurgel5155I mean, that doesn't preclude a tombstone on an empty grave, which if found by an archaeologist without context would tell a hell of a story.
Exactly what I thought when he said that. If they're so safe, why are you going around trying to redesign everything that made them so safe? Not even improving upon those regulations, just ignoring them all together....
My first thought when I heard him say that was "Yeah subs are safe because they were being built by people who didn't disregard safety like you do" lmao
The rest of the sub industry must be so pissed. Maintain the strictest safety standards for decades, only for this dude to come along and ruin the record for everybody.
It's really disingenuous to say that 15 million people have gone in a private commercial sub, when the vast majority of those are just plastic bubbles that go anywhere from basically zero depth to about 200ft. That's like saying that kids jumping on a trampoline are space explorers and including them in your statistics.
Exactly! The TRUTH! Can't stand these arrogant people who insist on flouting the rules, because you're absolutely right every one of those rules was written because people died. So anyone arrogant flouting these important rules wisdom and prior knowledge is truly a heinous person because he is in delusion not reality, no matter what he cons himself or others with his lies irresponsibility and nonsense
Imagine paying a quarter of a million dollars to risk your life and your child's just to go see a bunch of rusted metal scraps and pieces of rotten wood from an incident that happened over a century ago.
An engineering degree does not imply intelligence. I am living proof of that. I want you to know that my capacity for stupidity is quite great and involves several fields. Knowing your limits and a tiny dose of humility will keep you alive.
I can agree with this. I work for a company that makes some of the largest mills available in the Western hemisphere. I have been witness to engineers fucking up a $500,000 part and millions worth of machine equipment Thankfully I haven't personally witnessed any injuries and there been no deaths thanks to several layers of verification and safety
Don't forget the use of long known safety rules and what industry would call ppe - personal protection equipment. Stuff like glasses for your eyes, appropriate gloves, and hearing protection. Oxygen masks for air limited spaces. Those things. You don't ignore that stuff because it's annoying, it's there to make sure you go home in the same condition you got to work in.
I served in the US Navy as a Submariner onboard a Thresher/Permit class Submarine. For those that do not know the USS Thresher SSN 593 was the lead boat of the Thresher class that was lost on 10APR1963 with all hands and some shipyard workers. It created the SUBSAFE program which I was a part of. After the loss of the Thresher the class was renamed the Permit class. It was still a little spooky when I checked onboard my boat USS Haddo and seeing parts labled USS Thresher SSN 593 knowing the history. Stocton Rush and his disreguard of the rules of safety just horrified me. When this was reported in the news sadly I knew everyone was lost. After the stories started coming out about how he ran his company and how the sub was designed made me even more angry. He fired one of his engineers because he told him that his design would fail. I had no problem with him going down with is creation but sadly he took innocent lives with him. I understand the dangers of being onboard a submarine. I lived that life for 6 years.The ocean is a very unforgiving envirnoment. It is not a place to "Break the rules just because I feel like it"
The engineer that was fired - believe me, he was the lucky one. Why would you want to be linked to a catastrophic failure?? He got out of there and never looked back. Stockton Rush was a narcissist, he cannot be TOLD he is wrong!! He even boasted about breaking the rules!!! As for the other passengers - only the youngster didn't realise the dangers - the disclaimer said DEATh about 3 dozen times. You are signing something that screams DEATH, DEATH. DEATH!! No amount of money can fix STUPID!!! You would never ever get me on anything like this for free, heck you would never get me on this for £1 million - I don't like risky things. I wouldn't get on a carnival ride - you have to rely on others to maintain it. I feel the same about travel. Risky!!!
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. It is appalling to me how some businesses leaders just have no care or concern for human lives. The arrogance of Stockton Rush is breathtaking.
“When the sun extinguishes there will still be thermal vents in the ocean”….Stockton must have forgot/not know how the sun would get to that point cuz there would be no earth at the point the sun is extinguished
the sun expands engulfing the earth and collapses into a compressed space/time that we would fucking vaporise way before that even happened as the process takes millennia.
Had a friend who worked as a maintenance technician in a waste water treatment plant for 35 years. He always said the engineers were the worst. They would bring up crazy “efficiency” ideas that 95% of the time would have resulted in an environmental disaster.
"When the sun extinguishes, there will still be hydrothermal vents..." Meanwhile the Earth having been completely swallowed by the Sun 1 billion years prior to the Sun's death: How smart was this guy supposed to have been again? I'm dumb as hell and even I know that's completely wrong.
The sun is only going to expand if humanity goes extinct before making it to space. There is no reason to allow this to happen if we/our descendants are still around. Doesn't take any super advanced technology, just a lot of manpower. More than most people believe can possibly exist, but that's only because it's so far outside our current experience that people can't imagine it.
And even if he was purely talking about some sort of cataclysmic environmental disaster and not literally the sun “extinguishing”, underwater thermal vents would do fuck all for humanity surviving, even if it was at the bottom of the sea.
As far as I can tell, he was truly stupid, and operating under grandiose delusions. He hired people who would do as they were told, and fired those who raised concerns. Remember when Airbus had all the issues with their new composite wings? Basically they had to bond carbon fibre wings to metal supports. They spent an extraordinary amount of time and money getting it to work, and improving the carbon fibre manufacturing process. How do you know if it's 'worked'? You use non-destructive testing, so ultrasound or maybe even x-rays. Did oceangate do any of that? NO. Did they properly control the envirnoment when forming the carbon fibre? NO. (Contamination has a drastic impact on it's performance and longevity.) The thing had zero chance of being succesful given how they were 'engineering'.
4:46 yes because there have been REGULATIONS for the past 35 years. These regulations were written in blood. They’re not just there to be inconvenient, they’re there to prevent completely unnecessary deaths. Rush, unfortunately, got to find out the hard way
I do Scuba, so no where near these depths, but even then, the amount of safety checks and triple checks with equipment, personnel, and the environment are all reinforced by the mantra: checklists are written in blood. Once your head goes underwater you are in an environment that in its natural state, will kill you. This video was enlightening, but infuriating.
That's not what happened. His estranged aunt made up that story so they would point cameras at her. His mother was still on board the Polar Prince at the time and had no access to the media. Once she got back on land, she said he was excited to go. He was even planning to set a record for the deepest rubix cube ever solved.
There was Titanium - the inside of that tube they wrapped the carbon-fiber around was titanium if I remember correctly (correct me if I am wrong)...but titanium is a problem too! Why? It likes to form micro-fractures if you go to or near crush debth! That's why the US-Navy, the Royal Navy etc. don't build titanium subs! Ok, that an price! Titanium is hard to weld (the Soviets - who did build titanium subs! - found that out!)...still, a sub who can handle less and less debth as it ages (more and more cracks forming, thus less and less crush debth) is not cool, even if it will dive deeper than regular subs for the first few years of service!
The two ends of the capsule are titanium it's just that the main cylinder is not. Also, no one used carbon fiber on subs because it's simply the worst material for the job. Carbon fiber has great tensile strength. So, use it on a rope or whatever and it will work great. You need compressive strength on a sub. That's the ability to take the immense amount of pressure down there. Every time you took the sub down it got a bit worse due to wear and tear. Obviously, the smart thing to do would be to discard the sub after a couple of dives but Rush wanted to save money. Also, the porthole glass was not meant to take that much pressure. Maybe that is what went first. Either way, it was nice of him to turn rich people into fish paste.
Stockton seems like he was told by a Greek oracle how he'd die. Knowing his classics, he didn't bother trying to avoid this fate, he just set out to give interviews that would seem as ironic and foreboding as possible after his death. "It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We'll make sure of it."
I remember James Cameron being interviewed after the implosion. He was absolutely adamant about the fact that deep sea small vessels are made from titanium and were spherical for very good reasons. This man has been to some of the deepest places in the ocean. He didn’t trust Titan as far as he could have thrown it! There was also a Nevada billionaire who was offered the seats ultimately taken by the other gentleman and his son. He was really tempted to, but his own son said he wouldn’t set foot in that thing and laid out his reasons. Carbon fiber was a really big one. Nevada guy called Rush back and politely declined.
Do you think the declination went some like: 'Thank you for inviting me on a one-way trip to the ocean floor in your death-trap, but something suddenly came up and I can't make it. Maybe next time?'
I thought the same thing. This thing could pop like a balloon and you're being so cavalier about it. Even if they are billionaires, they were lied to. Especially the father and son.
Rules and regulations are written in blood. Their blood will be used in newer rules and regulations. Remember kids. The rules are there for a reason. And more often than not it's to keep you alive. A shocking amount of people don't realize how many rules are there to protect you from yourself.
yeah and this is why had he replaced the carbon fiber hull when it was done instead of keeping on going with it he would have been an innovator but instead he buried his head in the sand instead of being an innovator with ocean gate because the carbon fiber hull was breaking down like the shell of an air liner breaks down over time the difference with air liners is when they reach the end of life the planes retired and replaced instead of what ocean gate did
Noone knows exactly why it failed, only assumptions, the media gaslit you all to repeat the hull failed. I'm sure it did but maybe some one did something to make sure it failed the moment did, ironically around the same time as Hunters guilty plea. The perfect smokescreen. If you think these people wouldn't go to such lengths to keep their wealth and power look at 9/11. Keep an open mind. Don't let them brainwash you.
14:36 That's not true. They didn't pass the tests for submarines because Rush not agreed to do them. He claimed that these tests were bad for carbon fibre construction. And he was right, because those tests were for real submarines, not carbon fibre coffins. Let's not forget that he fired the man who made warning note about the safety of the vehicle construction.
Do subs not need to undergo failure test like planes. Were you have to simulate usage untill failure. So you would go okay it breaks after 10 dives so we have to take it out of service after 5 dives.
@Ayedidyae You should write a blog post,or make a video explaining to laymen all the engineering and construction issues. I bet a lot of people would be interested.
Every nut and bolt on a submarine is tested and traceable. This idiot had the gall to compare a jerry built cylinder with a playstation controller to a submarine 🤡🤡🤡
I have several issues with his idea of underwater cities saving humanity from the sun being burnt out. 1.) long before our sun dies, all the water will boil off the planet 2.) when the sun dies our planet will be consumed by the sun 3.) our earth would go cold without the sun
3 wouldn’t even happen most likely earth would just be destroyed by that point. Plus let’s be real, humans aren’t making it to that point anyways. We would’ve killed each other off LONG before the sun burns out
Well, the oceans will boil off shortly before the sun swells to become larger than the earth's orbit, literally swallowing it. The earth will be extinguished long before the sun will be!
It's also completely irrelevant to plan ahead for something that takes this long to happen. Might as well plan for the heat death of the universe. Humanity will most likely go extinct due to other issues long before the sun burns out.
He's a salesman, anyone who took that point seriously is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how long 10,000 years is let alone billions, the thought that humanity will still be around when the sun burns out is hilariously idiotic. If we're still around by that point humans will be gods completely changed to another form we can't imagine.
That idea of his with the ocean floor cities after the sun is history shows such an appalling and amazing level of ignorance and narcissism that frankly it belongs in a meme museum, just like Stocky himself. I wish Arthur C. Clarke was still alive--he'd have had a field day with this guy and his nonsense.
I just want to say as someone who was involved in the coordination of the SAR flight portion of the search for the "missing sub", the US Navy confirmed within an hour of the sub going missing that it had imploded and was a total loss. That information was passed to US/CAN coast guard and SAR pilots soon after. The whole drawn out search for the vessel was essentially just theatre so as to not directly indicate how advanced and accurate the US Navies' oceanic/deep-water surveillance systems are. They knew almost immediately the sub was destroyed but the "how and why" they knew was highly classified so you end up just going through the motions to confirm to the public whats already known.
Rush was not so smart. He broke the rules that were in place for very good reasons. You break the rules and people die. His level of hubris and arrogance are disgusting and disturbing.
When I was a kid I built a small Titanic model from a kit, I painted it and everything. I'm not sure what happened with it but I think my mother just threw it in the garbage during one of our numerous relocations. Every 2 years or so we were moving somewhere else because every time she though she found a place where she could finally find happiness. She never understood it's a lot easier to be happy when you're a nice person and you're not constantly being super annoying with everybody around you...
THIS!!! There's a huge difference between *wisdom/intelligence* and *charisma.* Rush was INCREDIBLY charismatic, and while he was a knowledgeable man, he was not a wise nor intelligent one. A smart person would know the rules and safety regulations are THE REASON why no accidents had happened in over 50yrs. And now we see the direct result of why industry regulations are necessary to follow.
Definitely a case of FAFO. At least Stockton can't take anymore people with him now and more people will think twice when another clown like Stockton cooks up dangerous and wildly expensive underwater tours.
It’s insane people took this man seriously, but we seem to be in an age where idiots impress other idiots with bullshit and wealth. Elon, trump, Kanye, a lot of these celebrities…They think they are above the consequences of reality atp. Fools.
Im guessing you mean the non climbers who scale Everest, the people that dont use oxygen are usually seasoned climbers who are used to dealing with the thin air
Yeah I think you have that backwards. The guys who can climb without oxygen have practically lived on the mountains, like the Sherpas. Their bodies have changed due to the harsh environments. It's the people who only want to climb one mountain, and decide it's going to be Everest, who join a massive tourist group of novices who endanger themselves and others.
@@bluedistortions I agree with your analogy, but numerous Sherpas have died due avalanches etc and perhaps a handful due to altitude sickness. Sherpas are better adapted to cope with the Death Zone, but they are not invulnerable. Numerous world famous mountaineers have died on the unforgiving peaks (highest kill ratio is on K2), some if not most on the way back., during the descent. It is called the Death Zone for a reason and whoever goes there without oxygen tanks is playing a Russian roulette with a loaded gun!
As soon as you hear "I want to be the Space X of the ocean" and *When the sun dies we can live in the ocean" then follows it by saying "You have to take risks ...etc" ...You had better run for the exit
The way he piggy backed the safety record of all other submersibles to “prove” theirs was safe while not following any of their safety protocols is staggering.
@@liliya_aseeva a few years ago in England there was an incident where a Cop wouldn’t allow some extremely important person beyond a security gate in Westminster/ Houses of Parliament whilst calling the indignant person a twat or something insulting . The ensuing hoo ha or fuss because of the persons’ status was literally labelled by tabloid newspapers as …Gategate ! 🙄🐢
Pizza gate (US conspiracy) Party gate (UK covid related inquiry) Farm gate (something to do with Uk farming) We have loads in the UK, it's practically anything that we have an 'inquiry' into, they usually end up being a cover up
In the beginning they at least used a Playstation controller. In the end, they just used a cheap third-party controller lol That has nothing to do with the implosion, but it says a lot about their understanding of quality!
...and wireless ffs. I wont use a wireless controller for gaming, much less something my life might depend on. Also, this fool would be the type to not have extra batteries on board.
@@AmsterdamHeavy I heard somewhere they had backup controllers on board, but... yeah, he does seem like the type to not have that. Why would you use such a cheap controller if you're smart enough to carry backups? I think whoever said that they had backups was just wrong. Probably. It's not like I actually _know,_ lol.
I firmly believe James Cameron when he says they all watched and heard the very moment it imploded. He said they knew instantly that was it. That the searches and all wad pure show because they needed to appear as though they were trying.
Search & rescue teams always search for a person for atleast 3 days, which is the amount of time someone can survive without water. It wasn't just this sub. While the implosion was most likely the sub, they dont stop searching unless there's clear evidence the victims died. They can't be 100% sure it was the sub, so they continue searching just incase the noise was something else & they're still alive.
A small defect in the fiber allows water to enter. Ie positive feedback. So a tiny flaw with trace of water increases the crack . So more water enters and crack grows then massive implosion in fraction of second..
He was absolutely right. His future was underwater, and there, what’s left of his body, will remain for all time. I’m not an engineer, but I’ve been a scuba diver for over fifty years. There’s a reason scuba tanks are made out of aluminum or steel, and require pressure testing every five years. No matter what material you take underwater, it is subjected to pressure, and eventually the expansion and contraction takes its toll. Each 33 feet deep is one atmosphere of pressure. The surface is 14.7 psi. Go 33 feet deep, and you have doubled the pressure. That will easily burst your eardrums, unless you have equalized the pressure in your ears, or cause an embolism in your lungs if you come up too fast without exhaling. Go 12,000 feet deep and there is well over 5000 pounds per square inch of pressure, PER SQUARE INCH, that is, like a hydraulic vice, trying to crush whatever enters that domain. Anyone should have known that a composite was not going to last long under those pressures, but I certainly understand people trusting an authority figure who had convictions and seemed smart. I’m sure their families wish they had not.
Steel is a relatively non-fatiguing metal, depending on alloy, but alu is fatiguing. Pressure testing is important but incapable of revealing fatigue, they would need to be ultrasonic, electromagnetic and X-ray tested for that. The other approach is just put a high margin of design safety and have a clear guideline after what time or how many uses the tank must be discarded. The actual deformation in alu tanks is low enough that they are deemed safely designed, and after all there is an existing experience and the adequate lack of willingness to push the boundaries there. Composite is of course a fatiguing material as well, but the conscience for sufficient safety margin was missing in this instance, even pressure testing that was performed was not proper. The other problem is of course interfacing from composite pressure pieces to metal hull pieces - normally making a pressure vessel from adjoining dissimilar material sections is a big no-no.
There are plenty of carbonfiber SCBA cylinders. They've proven themselves for decades now. The only reason we don't use them underwater is due to the extra lead we would need to add to dive with them, makes them sorta useless for diving.
@@theMAKAproject Carbon fiber tanks will not work in scuba due to the extreme pressure scuba tanks are under in all phases of use. Carbon fiber can be used on the surface where there are not huge pressure changes, like there is with diving. They would not last in scuba for the same reasons the submarine did not last. The same thing that happened to the submarine would eventually happen to the carbon fiber tank, and that would be very bad for the diver. You are right that the reason they are used is because of weight, but not right that they are not used in scuba because they’re too light. They are not used in scuba, because you cannot fill them to the same pressures to which steel and aluminum tanks are routinely filled. Firefighters can’t have a 30 lb steel tank on their back, and they don’t need the volume of air a scuba diver needs, and their tanks are not subjected to the tremendous pressures from depth that scuba tanks encounter. Trust me, as someone who has worked in a dive shop filling tanks, and as a dive master and instructor, and humped hundreds of tanks on and off of boats, if a carbon fiber tank would work in scuba diving, the sport would fully embrace them, and the manufacturers would make billions in the scuba industry. They will not work in scuba for the very same reasons carbon fiber submarines don’t work. First, you cannot fill them to the same pressures as steel or aluminum. 3000 psi, is the normal fill pressure of a scuba tank, but to get that pressure in a cool tank, you often exceed it, understanding that the pressure will come down as the tank cools. Tanks heat up quite a bit from filling to the high pressures needed for scuba. A cold steel tank will be hot to the touch after filling. You cannot subject a carbon fiber tank to that over and over again, like you can with steel, and then send it down under 5 atmospheres of pressure where the pressure externally is over 70 psi on the tank. As you breathe from the tank underwater, the internal pressure is reduced and the external pressure starts trying to crush the tank. That doesn’t happen on the surface. On top of that, hydrostatic testing is required by federal law every 5 years. Scuba tanks are filled to 5000 psi and the expansion of the metal measured. If the tank has become brittle and does not expand, the tank is failed, and can no longer be used. I have steel scuba tanks in my garage that are 50 years old, and can still be used. You won’t find a carbon fiber tank still in use that long.
He wouldn't have stopped. I sincerely doubt he was the kind of person to do something like that. He seemed too enamored with the idea of colonizing the ocean and pushing the limits of all those "evil" safety regulations to pursue his idea of progress. If Titan didn't fail then, it would remain in service and catastrophically fail at some other time.
They aren't statistically the safest vehicle on the planet because it is a Submarine. Its statistically the safest vehicle on the planet because of the strict safety standards that have been set.
And because the vast majority of those "15 million" passengers went 12ft deep on a 2 hour shore excursion from a cruise ship. Not quite the same thing.
That be submersibles, short-dive underwater vessels. Submarines have resulted in numerous deaths due to failure. Remember Kursk? Furthermore if you have a medical emergency on one, without any vessel failure, qualified external help isn't coming for a long time.
@@SianaGearz Stockton specifically says *commercial* subs. Because yeah, there have been hundreds of deaths on military ones. Thousands, if you include German U-boats.
Stockton Rush. Princeton. Engineering degree. Should’ve stuck to being a white collar manager at a mid sized engineering marine material production factory. Play golf on Wednesdays. Sail on the weekends. Hang out at the yacht club. Have friends with first names like, Spencer, Brooks, Fletcher, Penn, and their wives Blair, Amelia, and Georgia. You know, like most average people.
Minor correction: sixgill sharks are not incredibly rare. They have a widespread range across the world and are actually quite common in places such as the Northern California coast. Seeing them in the wild however, is more rare because they tend to hang out in deeper waters where people don't tend to run into them!
@@sTraYa249less common to see in the wild in many areas, but they’re not considered a rare shark and are even caught as sport fish in some places. They are very heavily studied and live in oceans worldwide!
When someone says:"at some point,safety is a pure waste",and you still decide to go into something that this person has built,to go underwater to a depth that is so dangerous that usually only remotely controled drones are used to go to it...the sheer lack of self preservation and the thought that you can indulge in something so dangerous,it shows some people with money think they're untouchable even by nature...
sometimes people just didn't know. You sat in an airplane before right? do you know what every CEO said/thinks about their airline? don't think its the victims fault tbh
@@joesr31 100% agreed, the victim-blaming is unnecessary and gross. Also, to add: most passengers on a plane don’t know all of the safety rules and construction processes that went into the plane they’ve boarded. Everyday people, not just the rich, have to regularly entrust other people with their lives and safety because we can’t all be experts on everything we interact with (pilots, doctors, architects, engineers, etc.). Hindsight plays a massive role in casting unfair judgement. After the implosion happened, many people became aware of the “sub” and what went wrong; but, prior to it happening, you see the dude advertising his company on news outlets and iirc their website and building location falsely insinuated that several trusted organizations were associates. While tragedies like this can serve as reminders to be more informed as consumers, there’s still realistically a limit. Instead of blaming the unaware passengers, blame the guy who knowingly repeatedly broke safety rules, ignored the assessments of professionals, and decided to entice others into boarding a death trap with him
"that would provide humans with sustainable resources [...] three planets worth of resources available in the ocean" Ah, okay, so it's just the good old "stealing finite resources from other ecosystems through unsustainable extraction and then greenwashing it" thing again. But for a larger quantity. Got it.
He quotes Douglas MacArthur, a dude so narcissistic that he regularly referred to himself in the third person and was known for walking upright across live trench shootouts.
Wow, that's where , Mc Arthur must have been one crazy dude, probably was thinking along the lines of Alexander the Great !! 🤔🤔🤔🤔 walking upright through a slew of enemy fire ? Nobody in their RIGHT mind would do that...😵😵😵😵😵
He was struggling to make money. He was getting over half a million for this dive. Conditions weren't very good, they had postponed the dive for 3 days already and the Billionaires were close to backing out so actually, NOTHING was gonna stop him from his big payday!!!
The mindblowing thing here isn’t his insistence it was the proper material for the task as much as not listening to EVERYONE in regards to the vessels safety and longevity. Carbon Fiber is a great material for many things. Ironically, not for this one. Materials science 101 shows us, every material has strengths and weaknesses and suitability to task. His refusal to pursue certification and to work with the industry towards his goals, is in fact, what made this man insane.
He was repeatedly told carbon fiber wasn't suitable for this application. I think he ignored the fact because it's the cheapest, strong, material that an untrained individual can form into custom shapes. It was a financial cost cutting measure.
@@pauliewalnuts240 Agreed. What’s phenomenal to me about it is this man wasn’t uneducated. What’s great for planes, hell even rockets, doesn’t translate to deep sea. The fact that he ignored it just blows me away.
Stockton was about to build a New submarine before this happened. He believed he could build a Submarine out of toilet paper, silly putty and super glue wrapped in patent leather. This was going to be a monumental step in depth crushing technology. Breaking the rules is what submarines are all about. His mistake with OCEANGATE is he did not cover the outer skin with glitter, the glitter would have kept the crushing pressures from penetrating the hull, but of course he did not listen to me....very sad.
Subs are so safe because they aren't made of PLASTIC! Its like driving 25mph through town and thinking "Well that worked so it must be safe to go 150mph." Carbon fiber isn't strong in the way he was using it, most of the strength came from the epoxy, which is plastic. Also he re-used the sub way too many times.
Exactly, carbon fiber is indeed stronger than steel, but only in tension, not in compression. The carbon fiber had little to do with resisting the pressure, it was only the epoxy holding back the pressure.
@@stevenwallman2346 There is a caveat there. Carbon fiber is stronger than steel by weight, not volume. So for the same strength you'd need bigger carbon fiber structures. On top of this, it's a tensile strength. Steel is much stronger than CF when it comes to compression. It's kinda dumb that he'd chose that material for this application. Being an aerospace engineer, he should have been aware of the basic applicability rather than go by the hype.
Yup. When the Sun expands to become a red giant, the Earth will end up inside it (which will be in about 5 billion years). There's no surviving that. Notably, the Earth only formed about 4.6 billions years ago. Humans will definitely not still be around by then. Maybe our descendant species? But I wouldn't bet on it. We're basically halfway through the Earth's existence right now. And life has changed a hell of a lot over the past 3.7 billion years (the oldest known fossils). It would be silly to think it can't/won't change an unimaginable amount more before the Earth is consumed by the Sun.
You see, this is a guy from a rich family, who got to go to the best schools, who was led to believe that he was a really special guy. And so he thinks he's better than the rest, he doesn't have to follow the rules, he's sooooo intelligent. But he was non of those things, he was a pampered rich kid who had the money to try something and then ignored all the experts. This is all too common :(
You're kind of right, but most of his problem was that he didn't have enough money. You can literally just buy a certified sub that goes full ocean depth, like Victor Vescovo did. But Stockton only had low-double-digit-millions, so he couldn't do that. He was pretty low on the rich people totem pole and sought to elevate his status by making money and fame with his cheap sub. He's like a high schooler trying to paint up his old car to fit in, but he forgot to get the engine running first.
hey stockton...before the sun "goes out" it's going to expand in size/brightness until it boils the oceans away and melts earth's surface. in fact the only way we can hope to survive as a species is to venture out into space. ive also read that some think our magnetic field will weaken and the solar wind will strip away the atmosphere/ocean well before the sun dies. either way these things are a couple billion years in the future. we've got plenty of other things to worry about in the meantime
It kills me how the media and the company tried to pretend like the sub didn't implode for DAYS. I knew it had imploded as soon as reports came out about loss of comms. Then the bit about the USN picking up the implosion being played off as "something else". It was obvious from the first seconds of the reports.
You can't really claim that the vessel exploded and everyone died if no one knows what happened. At the time, the only thing you would have noticed was a loss of communications, which could be everything from radio interference to a short circuit to-- in this case-- catastrophic hull failure. As a media company you have to (or at least, you _should)_ only report on the things of which you are absolutely certain about. Calling an anamolous communications issue a casualty situation could lead to lawsuits and all sorts of issues from the families of those involved, or lawsuits from the company if the disaster is not as bad as initially claimed. It's not some obvious fact they were trying to hide, it's just that in news media you're not supposed to make speculations without an investigation. In this case, it did turn out as the worst possible case, but had they come back up later then Rush could have a pretty liable case to sue reporting networks for false claims should, say, his precious stocks have imploded instead of him as a result of bad reporting.
The media was ridiculous. NewsNation even had an oxygen countdown clock running on screen, which might be the tackiest thing I've ever seen. Even if they had sunk to the bottom with 96 hours of oxygen, there was zero chance of rescue. The first ROV didn't arrive at the bottom until after that time. Anyone who understands the speed of ships knew that from the first hour. It's understandable that the Coast Guard has to respond either way and will always be optimistic in press conferences, but the media took that optimism to ridiculous heights. However, there was a chance they were floating on the surface, and they could have been rescued from that. I assume the Coast Guard searched the surface, but it wasn't very exciting for the news outlets.
Before you mock this guy never forget, every bridge you've ever driven over, every train you've ever been on, every plane you've ever flown on, every skyscraper you've ever been in, every structure, infrastructure or vehicle you've ever felt safe in, was built by the lowest bidder.
I remember a safety training video about factory safety and complacency ending with "Safety. You can live with it." Those safety rules exist because, unfortunately, it took someone dying for those lessons to be learned.
Absolutely insane building a sub for those depths using a carbon fiber tube with titanium “end caps”. Both materials having different rates of compression, there’s no way the connection of the carbon fiber and titanium ring would ever last. How could they not see that?
The problem is the tube section, it's under immense longitudinal compression from the end caps in addition to radial compression from the water pressure; it's the weak point prone to buckling. That's why no deep diving subs use this shape.
Oceangate saw that but ignored it because they knew better, or at least Rush did. Shame that Rush killed four other people as well as himself by ignoring facts, truth, science, let alone counting his personal refusal to let QUALIFIED certification bodies approve his insane design failures, just in case they publicly and correctly assessed his whole project as certifiably insane.
I think you mean they have diametrically opposing coefficients of thermal expansion: as it cools, CF expands, whereas TI contracts. The ring-joints of TI endcap with CF tube were built with the CF outside the TI lip, such that with increasing cold/depth, the materials would move away from each other, removing support to the CF edges if not outright breaking the glue seal between them.
@Ayedidyae You made such a good point but your odious insistence on wokeism and hair colour having anything to do with their failure really takes the shine off of what you're saying
Well, as I see it, we can honestly say the "sub" was absolutely and completely safe for 13 of the dives, and NOBODY DIED then, I guess the 14th is always the charm. Good thing they had a super duper high tech implosion warning device to warn you of an immediate, and impending implosion within 50 nanoseconds while you're bolted in and sealed shut!
His entire business model was based on "if I can't go to space, I'm going to try convince everyone else space is dumb so I can still be a celebrated pioneer in _something."_
Most of them are...?? You just have to have family money to go there.. !!! Not really a bit of common sense.. ??? Witch, this guy was clearly lacking.. ?????
Ironically, stockton's obvious devil may care attitude 2 risk, was a personality trait that in itself likely would have prevented him becoming an astronaut. I'm assuming the selection process for such a job tends to weed out people who lack conservative prudence on matters of risk
There was a former NASA astronaut involved with OceanGate, Scott Parazynski. He was on the Board of Directors of OceanGate. He is a physician, not an engineer, but it still seems to me that he showed very poor judgement, and very poor risk assessment in being involved with OceanGate.
James Cameron went down to the Marianas Trench in his own designed sub. That's the sub genius right there. That's who you want to listen to, someone who innovates and adheres to regulation.
Fun fact: that sub fell of a truck while being moved and was declared a write-off because they couldn't determine the full extent of the damage to the hull and if it would affect it at extreme pressures.
Stockton Rush's mistake wasn't being a reckless innovator. It was not having a risk-averse disciplinarian to keep himself in check. You can only keep pushing the envelope as long as your seat belt's keeping you safe. And Rush took off the seat belt for him and everyone who went down with him.
"I am Stockton Rush, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No,' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.' 'No,' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God.' 'No,' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Rapture. A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."
When I read that first sentence I thought, ‘Wait a minute, who said that? Sounds so damn familiar but also unreal.” 😆I am watching a play-through because I sadly suck at first person shooter gameplay.
Since the other replies don't mention it, for those who don't know (like me 5 minutes ago), this is a quote from the video game series series Bioshock, with the speakers name changed to Stockton Rush.
Kind of sad that if he would have just built it with titanium (which he could afford anyway) it would probably still be kicking. Weird obsession with making carbon fiber work... then he buys expired material to build it with to boot.
When the sun extinguishes it goes red giant and then we're all fucked anyways so the deep sea vents wont matter. I thought this guy was supposed to be smart lol
Was wondering the same thing. Every model I've seen since I was a kid shows all the terrestrial planets getting swallowed. Not sure how that made it past everyone.
@@gabrielrobinson1279 It's even funnier than that - the same models predict that the Sun ever increasing irradiance will boil the oceans around 1 billion years from now, 3 billions years before it enters the red giant phase =D
I hate the “80% of the ocean hasn’t been explored” argument because the 80% that hasn’t been explored is literally just sand, nothing but thousands of square km’s of flat, featureless sand
@@derek04151 And it's very sad, because both of them ignored good advice and paid for it, only Stockton was worse because he took more people with him.
I feel like this stockton guy knew what he was doing. You can see how surprised even he is half the time that people would sign up. And he worded everything as if he was purposely offering a final ride. Another strange thing is his name, stock ton rush. I bet a ton of people were rushing to sell stocks the moment news broke out.
@TheIndependentLens Fools and their money are soon parted. Each of the other passengers bought their own ticket. The 19 year old was there on the dime and the coercion of his foolish father.
Did this dude, with an engineering degree, say that when the sun burns out we will still be able to live using geothermal vents? The scale of idiocy that it takes to think that is absolutely biblical.
His dismissal of titanium is like Elon’s dismissal of LIDAR: because it’s out of their budget but gaslight people into thinking it’s an inferior technology instead.
@@geroffmilan3328I would say he is a “financial engineer”. Who else could lose $17 Billion and counting on Twitter and still be thought of as brilliant
