SG this one was really well written and presented. Thank you for touching on the points between WW1 and WW2. These geopolitical events are never in isolation but rather in continuity. Thanks Print's Team.
Hey Shekhar...love your CTC podcast....watching it for 3 years now...everyday...I have one suggestion - Never be sorry for the length of the episode....I am sure that I am not the only one who says that the longer the episodes, the better....your research and de-cluttering is really interesting and also makes me curious to learn more about the subjects you cover. I'll say this to The Print team - Keep doing the good work!
Both the political parties in the USA are aligned with AIPAC and other Jewish and Military Industrial Complex lobbies. Their support is predominant for both the political parties. In the process, the members of Congress have got an unwritten constitutional allegiance to the state of Israel, and thus, America has become Second to Israeli national interests to the U.S political personalities.
Suez Canal crisis is a new learning for many of us as is the attack on Iraq by Israel. As they say, history always has something that we are not aware of. Kudos SG and team to compile these events and their relationship.
Thank you, Hari. There is always so much to learn, which is one the best things about my work. I'm glad you found this episode insightful...best wishes, Shekhar
I would add a word of caution. You seem interested in learning the history. Maybe due to time constraint it is very vague & often widely incorect in details. It applies to Suez, the 6 Day and Yom Kippur War. So try and read up but not one source I suggest.
First of all, I'm glad that someone took the discussion beyond lobbying. Just to add, I think the Yom kippur war in 1973 was a landmark in US-Isreal relations as well as for global politics. Arriving on the heels of an unpopular Vietnam war, a reportedly antisemite US president Richard Nixon threw his full support behind Israel. The oil embargo that followed changed the global automobile industry. For the first time the concept of fuel efficient cars came into being. Inflation skyrocketed in the US, followed by the hawkish era of Paul walker. That decade solidified US-ISREAL relations further. The Trump administration was indeed the most pro Israel administration. They also pulled back their own membership from UNHRC because of what they considered as an anti-Israel bias. Biden came back to UNHRC but the complaint remains as it was.
You've highlighted some fine aspects, Jaydeep. And I'm happy to know you liked the analysis. Thank you for writing in, as always, and for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar
Americans freed Jews from concentration camps and fought the Nazis as well. There's no way they will abandon Jews and Israel. It would be like if we abandoned Nepal. They've have difference of opinion but that should not be mistaken for abandonment.
I don’t think Americans or even Britain fought Germany to save Jews…infact they buried the Jews persecution by Hitler for as long as possible…Thanks!..
On Rashida Tlaib's censure .. additional context.even though Biden is a Democrat similar to Rashida , the House is controlled by Republicans, and the Republicans have the majority. Given that they had so much issue electing a speaker for 3 weeks , this was one of their first votes under the new speaker. This shows the support Israel enjoys in US congress even when so many domestic problems came only next to Israel. The spending bill is still a lower priority.
Thank you Shekhar sir and the print for giving us this detailed information about US and Israel relation. Cut the clutter never disappoints. Such finr and detailed analysis one really cannot find anywhere.
I would recommend a book to understand the US-Israel special relationship.The Israel lobby and US foreign policy by John J Mearsheimer and Stephen M Walt.
Yes. It plays a very little role. Maybe in people to people relation, it has a stronger impact, but in terms of US national policy its negligible. You guys have no idea how US operates
@@dracorant5270 No sir, it plays quite a prominent role. Scholars like left-leaning Noam Chomsky and right-leaning Mearsheimer(who will hardly agree on anything else) agree on this.
Thnxx to Visionary leadership of Atal Bihari Vajpayee..... Who saw diversity of indian politics in that Era & Formed NDA Alliance to ensure Political Stability in the Country.... He knew No party was getting full majority & no prime minister would have completed his Full 5 years term Otherwise we would have got Ended up like Pakistan politics & Pawn of Western powers.... Like from 1990-1998.. We had 7 prime ministers.... No stability, no Growth....
I would not concur with that. We should consider the watershed moment to be the tenure under PV Narasimha Rao. To bring as radical a change as liberalization, is something so striking and fascinating. I strongly believe that our cultural background is drastically different from Pakistan, we should always keep our guard up and be weary of our leaders though.
@@MAC-vi7fy Yess, that's why alliance is necessary becoz india itself is a world in itself Becoz its a civilization Its Land, its people..... From one state to another from 28 states & 8 UT's U will find Different languages, cultures, food items, literature, history geography from hot desert to cold desert, seas to mountains, hottest place to Wettest place, etc etc....... There is diversity but national interest & security is Supreme...
The Battle of Beersheba was fought on 31 October 1917, when the British Empire's Egyptian Expeditionary Force (EEF) attacked and captured the Ottoman Empire's Yildirim Army Group garrison at Beersheba, beginning the Southern Palestine Offensive of the Sinai and Palestine campaign of World War I.
While this episode sheds light on the history of US-Israel relations, I'm curious about the implications of an outright support from US to Israel this time. Saudi and US have been frosty for some time now. And China has been able to pull some strings with both the Saudis and Iran. Had US resisted a strong response from Israelis against Hamas, it would have mended US -Saudi ties and stabilized the region a little. Instead, US chose to strongly back Israel and send more aid and weaponry. So, what is the logic behind US's actions? Would this not push Saudis further into Chinese and Russian hands? Is US convinced that Hamas and Palestine are more of Iran's problems than a larger Arab world's?
There is actually a way that this backing for Israel reinforces U.S./Saudi relations. The U.S. and Israel are working on a normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. As a part of these negotiations, Saudi Arabia wants an enhanced security alliance with the U.S. So, by backing Israel in their fight against Hamas, the U.S. is also demonstrating their commitment to allies, and demonstrating to the Saudis the value of this enhanced U.S. alliance they want. (And the Saudi leadership dislikes Hamas, if the Saudi population is more pro-Hamas.)
@@stevenkraft8070Saudi will never normalise relations without 2 state solution and a separate free palestine state. Israel will be left scratching it's own head until the ultra rights are in power. Jordan,baharin already severed it's trade ties with Israel.
I wonder why there's no discussion in the Indian media about the recent exodus of over 100,000 ethnic Armenians from Azerbaijan, who have been living in the Karabakh region for centuries. Faced with threats of genocide and ethnic cleansing by Azerbaijan, they have moved to Armenia. International experts describe it as a war crime or a crime against humanity. When it comes to US support for Isrea, I would say, it seems logical that the U.S. supports Israel; otherwise, Jews may cease to exist. Throughout history, various groups and individuals have targeted Jews with the intent to eliminate them. Holocaust, Pogroms in Russia and E Europe in 19th and 20th centuries, 15th century spanish inquisition, expulsions from England (1290), Spain and Portugal (1400's), among others.Now various anti-Semitic movements and ideologies have emerged over the years, promoting hatred and discrimination against Jews. Now, there are just 7 million people in Israel, their only state, and yet more than 20% of the population consists of Arabs living with them. It is funny to hear some Arabs in Israel complain that they do not have equal rights to Jews in Israel. Such an amazing community, which is relatively small in number, but they excel in innovations across various fields. They provided assistance to India during the Bangladesh war and continue to help countries across the world, even those that have historically held negative sentiments toward them, in solving complex problems. However, there are multiple nations that would like to see them eliminated from the face of the earth. It is just incomprehensible to me. The logical approach in Gaza is to separate terrorists from the population. Israel should implement a series of pauses to allow for humanitarian relief, among other things. A ceasefire may not be the best solution. Just this week, Hamas indicated that they would repeat October 7th 100 tmes, if it would lead to the elimination of Israel. Ultimately, after the conflict, and once the terrorists are no longer a threat, it may be best for an Arab-led coalition to administer the region, rather than the U.S. or Israel. When folks refer to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which includes Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, advocating for one nation for Jews and Arabs with equal rights, they believe that over time, ........ Here is the reality: if Israel puts the guns down tomorrow, there will be a second Holocaust.
I am grateful to this well thought out accurate reply. I believe Israel has urgent resupplied India in TWO of its wars. Israel help found & train the Singapore amed forces. Once establishedIsrael proves to be a trusted reliable friend & ally. India knows this well and so does Azerbaijan in recent years. In this conflict in Gaza the Western Democracies have woken up and had to take note that they have allowed virtually unrestricted migration of millions of muslim immigrants who have created, let's say, not well integrated lives in these countries. These people have the vote and can sway elections. So despite just support for Israel they still pander to these huge minorities. Even the London Metropolitan Police has gone out of its way to allow very hostile anti Israel/antisemetic marches each Saturday involving around 300,000 This has not gone unnoticed by the, say, native general public who feel threatened by these people who have different values & cultures which conflict. Briefly the result of these demographic changes are already having effects. Right wing governments are emerging fast even in unexpected countries. The East of Europe resolutely refuses muslim in order to preserve the claimed valuesi immigration
Correction on Censure. It happened only because Republicans are in a majority in US Congress. And Censure does not do anything for Rashida Tliab’s status as a Congress woman. So, comparing with Raja Singh us flawed. If anything Raja Singh got suspended!
R. K. Laxman’s cartoons on the ruling establishment was well appreciated and enjoyed by all, wonder if he would have been allowed in todays times to express any thing related to the current establishment…
He is no more ..... But u can be allowed to be the Next R.K laxman Aka, The Common Man... & Draw the cartoons regarding current establishment..... If U will be allowed surely R.K laxman would have been too....
@@mg.f.9023 Nothing to be appreciated...... Ur hypothetical comments are good in ur Self-minded questioning world.... Becoz R.K laxman is no more.. & here we have to be more realistic.... & To be realistic I think u should be cartoonist to draw picture with current establishment Let's see u are free to draw cartoon or We are living in Emergency era of 1975-77 .......
@@mg.f.9023 Be specific what r u trying to say !! Becoz in today's free world there is no such concept of No freedom of press becoz we have Regional media, international media & social media press especially You Tube .... So , there is no such thing that goes unknown without knowing it to people..... The quint, the wire, al Jazeera, CGTN, global times,Alt news etc etc.... & Which comedian specially u r talking who use harsh language on Religion & their Gods.... & Wants to increase Communal tensions.... Why don't u start with drawing Cartoon of Prophet Muhammad like Charlie hebdo in france.... Lets see how much free u are....
Thank you Sir for this video on such a historically complex geo strategic issue. Israel is the rabbit dog for the Americans in that part of the world. ( Nothing against Israel and dogs ) Earlier against Anglo french, then against communism and then as a lever in the Arab oil Islamic world. The ultimate objective of America is to maintain post cold war era superiority and to maximize the American domaince of the world. We can go pre 1950s with movie lawrence of Arabia portrayed the complex nature of geo-politics with the war of Aqaba against the Ottomans etc. Thank you for your efforts and videos.
Indians should stay away from the conflict and stop commenting on social media and spamming it. Israel did the same during indo Canada tension. I being a sanghi believe we should focus on our country and protecting hindus. We shouldn't spoil our relation with any nation over this Israel-arab war. We should remain neutral. That's what government is doing. But social media raita wings spoiling everything.
Everyone wants to be social media keyboard warriors..... I challenge none of Hindus have ever meet any jews .... Or Any Indian Muslim meet any Palestinian Muslim......
Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all strongly tied to the region of old Palestine, and trace origins to the land over the past few thousand years. Following the 1918 fall of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Palestine typically referred to the region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. The main cultural and linguistic heritage of old Palestine was a blend of both Arabic elements and the foreign cultures that have come to rule the land and its people over the course of thousands of years. Early humans arrived in the Fertile Crescent and Palestine about 500,000 years ago. Settled life there began between 12,500 and 9,500 BCE, when the semi-sedentary Natufian culture (named after Wadi Natuf, west of Ramallah) developed. Palestine has a long and vast history. First documented in ancient Egyptian tablets as Peleset over 3000 years ago, the region between the Mediterranean and the river Jordan has come to mean many different things to many different peoples. Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem. Amen
You did not mention that Israel took land from Palestinians and removed them and have been controlling them since 75 years. I learned a lot from your presentation. We need scholars like you to speak an unbiased truth. Thank you.
In 1948 the territory was divided between Palestine and Israel, Israel accepted what they offered but the next day 6 Arab countries attacked Israel, and since then every time Israel gives territory or agrees to an agreement they refrain from war and in every war against Israel, Israel conquers more and more territory. Israel no longer controls Gaza for more than 10 years and what came of it they launched an attack against Israel on 7/10/23. Israeli Arabs have all the rights, they do not want to live under Palestinian rule, 99% want to be Israelis. There are Arab members of parliament in Israel, judges and even in the Supreme Court, doctors, even in the Israeli army. All the Arabs, including those with whom Israel has a peace agreement, would like to erase Israel. But in the jungle there are rules of the jungle, only the strong survive. Another note, until 1948 there was no Palestinian people, and there weren't many Arabs either, Mark Twain wrote this long before all the Jews started coming to their homeland. The Arabs started to come to Israel after the Jews started to come and build the country, by their surnames you can tell where they came from, for example surname Almasri and they came from Egypt and the majority are like that.
They did not take the land. They were approved as immigrants by Ottoman and then by British. UN proposed having 2 states: 1 for Jews and 1 for arabs. Jews accepted, Arabs did not. Therefore, you have State of Israel but not state for Palestine. Palestine was under Ottoman and then British that time.
Thanks Mr SG. It was a very insightful discourse. My stand is that the world must recognise Israel and ensure it's protection. Christians have more than 100 countries as their homelands so that they can preserve their culture and religion. Similarly muslims have more than 60 countries as their homelands. Is it not the legitimate right of Jews and Hindus to have at least one homeland for them to preserve their respective culture and religion? Yes. India and Israel must be protected by every nation of the world and international organisation including UN
I would love for you to declutter this even further and suggest some possible solutions to this problem. It looks like all of this will only end with one side completely destroyed.
❤❤❤ INDIA MUST PRAY, SUPPORT AND HELP OUR JEWISH FRIENDS IN EARNEST NEED FOR OUR ALL WEATHER FRIEND ISRAEL. LET LORD SHIVA & RAMA PROTECT ISRAEL FROM EVERY DIRECTION AND EVERY ENEMIES !! 😁❤💜💚👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Pro Israel stance for Western countries is more religious in nature. The Bible says Christ will return to earth after Jews are resettled in the valley of the holy land. Its their version of "Mandir yahi Banega"
Yes, but the us is becoming overwhelmingly irreligious, usa will become a irreligious majority country by 60's. So just religion doesn't make much sense.
Nice analysis but u didn't elaborate 1967 american's coilation with france & Britain against soviets regarding their support to Israel. Nothing religious on my part just to streamline the history in political,economical & geographical interests
The first Americans (if you could call them that), came to get away from the socio-eco-religious challenges in Europe. Wars always define ourselves. Their battles against the monarchist British, with French help, forge a secular nation with a Christian undertone. Many of the other wars the US fought were to uphold democracy and hence its status quo. The fall of Israel (amid undemocratic leaders), India and or Taiwan would challenge the status quo of the US.
Hans J Morgenthau said-"Great powers ahould keep in mind their interests and must not excessively be guided by foreign policy of their allies". Unfortunately in case of Israel it seems missing.
17:54 I can read the exasperation on Mr. Shekhar's face as he is about to give yet another twist to this long and drawn out saga. Nothing is easily explained when it comes to the Middle East. What a great storyteller he is~!! I learned a lot today.
Shekharji's hinduphobia by accident comes to the forefront with his tirade towards Raja Singh. A strange plug in a video on Israel. Maybe whatever the question Shekharji's answer is always pre recorded.
Nice video, thank you for explaining the history. Some things still don't make sense - why is it that at least half the US states have made criticism of Israel illegal. You can criticise anyone including the President of United States but it is illegal to boycott or speak against Israel. Also, how has the US gotten away with not calling out the Apartheid nature of Israel?
Because Israel is not an ordinary country, its home to Jews, the most persecuted ethnic group of Western world for thousand of years. The pioneer Jews who migrated to Ottoman and British Mandate of Palestine were persecuted Jews running away from pogroms, holocaust etc. There is a very thin line between anti-Israel and anti-semitism. You can't criticize Israel without being anti-semitic/anti-Jews. Also, there are many Jews in America, they are in the government and they are some of the wealthiest Americans. US has also the largest christian population so they tend to sympathize with Israel than Muslims. Muslims are anti-American and anti-Jews and anti-christians so why would majority christian country support Palestine? Republican party and even Democratic party sometimes are very sympathetic toward Israel. Its like Muslim countries, they sympathize with Palestinians and most christians sympathize with Israel.
Some evangelical Christians have viewed the light-horsemen at the Battle of Beersheba as "fulfilling a biblical prophecy by helping return Israel to the Jews"
Israel is actually a big brother of USA, In one of the incidents Israel knowingly attacked the US Navy spying ship, killing many us naval service men And Israel didn't apologize
So why US send ship to spy? Although considered allies US send the ship sectetely to spy Israel claimed that they didn't know it was there, US couldn't do much coz they hadn't informed Israel bout its presence
@shekharji Most of your videos are not working for me..... I feel there are 2 issues to it. One definitely is the length ...i stop it midway around 8/9 minutes into the show. Second is too much information about the past. I say people who are watching your shows have a decent knowledge of the past issues and incidents. Just an input. Maybe more analysis and outcome or informed future gazing should work.
For the US, Isreal appears to be the trusted partner to oversee Middle Eastern interests...India could very well become another ally to oversee the Indo-Pacific region.👍
What a pathetic way to be client state of an Empire. Well, India used to be like that, it was called British Raj. How do you think british beat chinese and took over Hong Kong, and other colonies in Asia? Some people never learn anything.
Besides the policy decisions the american government makes in favor of Israel, there seems to be a broad support for Israel amongst the american public. I think there is theological underpinning to this support. US government was quite anti-semitic during world war II. Famously they turned a ship carrying jewish refugees from Germany during the 30s.
BJP MP and also Nupur sharma says awful thing about "HOLY PROPHET " now thats awful and blasphemy. But DMK and other like wise parties rant against Sanatan dharma , that's freedom of speech and expression . 😂
12:07 - Shekhat Gupta went out of his way to defend Stalin's Sanatan Dharma remarks, never uttered a single word on Owaisi brothers making remakes on Hindu Muslim divide, but subtly promotes anti-Hindutva feelings. Think people read between the lines.. Further to this, American alienation of the senator was because that senator had a line that was against the country's, in an international political issue, Indian example showed his personal feelings not a line against a national line in international politics. The case here should be: Congress supporting Hamas even when India as a country condemned 7 Oct terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians.
@@smielias O bhai, Abe Eban was moving to and fro between Tel Aviv and DC before hostilities broke out in 1967. ISRAEL AIR FORCE HAS BEEN SET UP AND TRAINED BY 🇺🇸 AND IT WAS THE ISRAELI AIR FORCE THAT DELIVERED THE KO PUNCH IN THE VERY FIRST HOUR OF 6 DAY WAR. PAF too, has been set up and trained by the USA a d you know what they had done to us in 1965 and recently at Balakot.
There are a lot of historical, political and strategic factors that explain the US backing for Israel. The US during the cold war was searching for allies in the volatile West Asia. Washington's best bet was Iran until 1979 when Islamists took over Tehran. Washington was not able to fully trust the monarchs and dictators because of their whims, fancies and suspicions about everything. On the other hand Israel was a democracy which would have provided better stability. During its wars with Arab neighbours it has demonstrated its hard power which impressed the White House and policy makers in the US. So,the US decided to improve its relations with Tel Aviv. Secondly, there is a substantial segment of avangenical christians in the US which believes Jews have the blessings of Jesus Christ. Political establishment due to the lure of electoral gains backs Israel no matter how immoral,unethical and brutal it may seem. Third, the US wants to have an eye on West Asia and which nation apart from Israel has a better intelligence network in the region due to its technological,economic prowess and political clarity. Israel is also termed by many commentators as the "Strategic launchpad" for the US.
There is an attempt in a section of media to equate kashmir and palestine....which is wrong....two are two different cases and I expect as a responsible and independent journalist you throw light on this.....
well kashmir was forced by mountbatten to join india in exchange for military assisstance against an impending pakistan invasion..they didn't really get to have a say in their fate..it was either join india or get attacked by pakistan.
The mla you mentioned never mentioned the name of any holy person though….. not defending whatever unacceptable things he said, that was a response to a moron that made fun of Mother Sita 🙏
The most charitable comment I can make about Sekhar’s discourse is that in the land of the Blind ( I,e. India ) the One eyed is the King. Balfour Declaration was a Dirty Deal and led to rise of Hitler & WW II. The US did n’t back Israel till the 1960s and Israel had to smuggle in French weapons like the Mirages. US support for Israel became massive only after the Jew Kissinger became Sec of State.Since the 1970s US Jews have followed a strategy of intimidating politicians who did n’t automatically support Israel.
sir.. we need a report on why sc is not granting bail to sisodia..and chances he will come out near to may 24.. if he comes out early news will become stale.. what ground sc can keep him further..given 3 months deadline has been given..
Your quick run-through of the history of US-Israeli relationship is incomplete without referring to the fundamentally and factually flawed idea of "a-land-without-a-people-for-a-people-without-a-land" which portrayed Palestine in the early 20th century as a wilderness, awaiting the white colonialist masters to reform and populate. An attempt to differentiate between anti-semitism and anti-zionism also would have explained why a large sector of jewish population in America is against zionist nationalism that Israel has been marketing for the last 75 years. Awaiting an impartial episode from you on this
Nowadays we know so much about Weimar Germany and Soviet union after the collapse of thier empire. Similarly, we will know a lot about American Empire after the collapse of the American Empire. We have glimpse of it through the works of Julian Assange but after the collapse, we will know everything about US.
I am sorry to say this Mr. Gupta but this "cut the clutter" was more of increase the clutter, wherein the cutting of clutter should have said in a chronological order, that the British and French people colonised and divided the remnants of the ottoman empire with the British keeping the area of Egypt and Palestine to control the Suez and the trade there and the gulf of Persia as there was oil there which the British wanted and left the French the rest of the area. And when the time came according to the "Old Testament" which ordained the Jews land in the levant which was Palestine, as the British owned the land, the parliament was lobbied by Mr. Rothschild(who was a lord whose name you would see in the letter written to him by Mr. Balfour at 13:22) to grant him that land. So in short the rich Jewish bankers in England and the US lobbied for this land that is to be blunt bought it from the British. And the British sold it to them under the Pretext of the Jews "deserving" it. On what basis did they deserve it? So still most banks in the US and UK have Jewish people in their directorial positions who lobby for whatever they want from the US congressional members.(if you do not Know what Lobbying is dear reader then please google it) This is the real reason why the US does not go against Israel. Main investors and lobbyists in form of banks in the US are in Jewish hands. Consider this too, after the 2008 subprime crisis in which 500 banks were involved only the directors and top brass of 1 bank were prosecuted, only one who were christians, the top brass of all other 499 banks were mainly Jewish who earned millions of dollars were never prosecuted still are not.(even the one 'Lehman Bros' which went bankrupt were never prosecuted and fled with millions) You can understand the money might they possess, they sought and were approved with 800 billon dollars worth of help of taxpayers money from the Federal govt after the crash to recuperate the situation. Its horrifying!
I feel SG's analysis of early days of Zionism is severely limited in its understanding. He almost unquestionably accepts American and British positions which were mainly a settler colonial perspective. He completely ignores colonial roots of Zionism and how early Zionists were inspired by European colonial expeditions. He also ignores the religious Christian Zionist influence on American perspective of Israel. If anyone carefully inspects how American settlers consolidated their hold on Native land by slowly exterminating native people it becomes very clear Israel is the exact same kind of project, rather on crack. White supremacy is always cloaked by 'foreign policy imperatives' but at the heart they are white supremacy.
You missed/ignored the fight of Palestine Arabs against Ottoman that lead to the defeat of Ottoman. Brits had promised freedom for Palestine ppl after the defeat. But Brits being Brit they also promised Jews a country at the same land.
