How will the ban on Petrol and Diesel Car Sales impact Classic Car Values? 

Compliance is our downfall.

This brings tears to my eyes as I can see it happening. Thing is the classic car community from my perspective whilst having cars that don't meet modern emission standards, they don't do that many miles and the cars spend a lot of time parked up emitting nothing.

Keep your older cars as new stuff is junk full of cheep components that cost too much to change ,keep older cars on the road 👍👍

You are a true prophet. I will drive my combustion cars until it is no longer possible. And if, in the end, they're no longer worth anything, I'll still look back with joy on all the countless moments of sheer driving pleasure in a time when we could still decide for ourselves when and where we wanted to go and it was still affordable...

You're spot on. Us plebs to be kept out of (any) cars and locked in our 15 minute cities. Who will be worried about not driving a classic car when they're dealing with indentured servitude within their Hunger Games style District?

5 years ago I said to my friend, "with all this Electric crap forced on us, its going to get like Cuba, folk getting excited over a mk3 Cavalier GLS" its starting to happen, more and more old motors about, great stuff , best wishes.

Sounds so like what is happening unless we all club together and stop this terrible tyranny nonsense

Ford Sierra Cosy recently sold for £600,000! Classic car prices don't seem to be slowing down much!

I thought the 2030 or 2035 "ban" was a ban on NEW petrol and diesel cars. We do not of course need ANY NEW petrol and diesel cars, just well maintained existing cars using petrol and diesel cars. It would still depend on availability of fuel, its cost, and other horrible taxes to be brought in...

From what my Uncle saw at the Festival Of the Unexceptional when I took him there in 2022 he noticed that there were loads of people from the ages 20 to 40 driving older cars, some of which he remembered his parents owning and some of which he used to drive. So judging by that there is still a following for older cars especially when certain kids aren't interested in playing on a computer or into the latest gadgets. We are seeing the same happen at preserved railways a lot of younger volunteers both men and women in those age groups are volunteering to run the trains, man the signal boxes and work in other departments including myself as we don't always care about computers and prefer keeping older items running. Lets put it this way if anything like a computer or electronic gadget fails on me it gets close to the point it has a flying lesson, and if I was forced to buy a EV and it broke down on me, I will just abandon it and not even bother getting it recovered.

From one Geoff to another - well done mate - you've got it totally right - just look whats happening in Oxford!

Shockingly pretty accurate, although I will put a elastic or hydrogen engine in my classic before them stuck up plebes in power try and take my driving experience way . We all just need to band together and fight as hard as possible for what we want, think hard about your next and future votes at the ballots

Said a while back I think, when popped to my Aunt's at Christmas, on way home guy had his car on ramps repairing in his drive, I thought now there's a rare sight these days😊 apart from when fixing all mine but honestly how many people do you see now doing it, imagine in 60s, 70s and 80s it would of been normal

Cast your mind back a few years. (Eerie music) To a time when we were being told how wonderful diesel cars were. Thousands of people flocked to buy them, all very exciting....then the bubble burst! Diesel fuel shot up in price, the cars were seen as dirty - and they were, they still are, although they're much better now than they've ever been. Petrol cars have just got cleaner and more efficient; and the addition of lpg made them cleaner than ever. Diesels started to fade. EVs will go the same way, for lack of infrastructure to support them, lack of range, lengthy re-charge times, adding hours to the most simple long distance journey. EVs are here to stay, but ICE cars will stay too, partly due to the tax revenues and also due to their sheer reliability and convenience. This current government might be idiots (and in my opinion, they are) but future governments won't be. Have faith Geoff, and remember, real cars are going to be with us for many decades, probably always. The classic owners tend to be relatively wealthy, and money talks. Money is power and influence, and these people will want to keep their love of cars alive. They usually get what they want! I drive a Lexus which insures as a modern JDM classic; I also own a beautiful Mercedes-Benz C220 Esprit, and I'm a member of the Mercedes-Benz club. I meet and mix with a lot of fabulously wealthy collectors, enthusiasts all; and we're all equal in the sight of our cars. I've been bought lunch by the owner of a million pound 300SL Gull-wing, who spent nearly an hour being excited by my humble C class. At JDM meets, my Lexus draws attention among the pristine Subarus, Evo's and Skylines because it's seen as a VIP car, plus, I'm older than most of the members and kind of get looked up to; even though I don't deserve it at all. Mercedes-Benz, JDM and all the other clubs will never let our beautiful cars die. Remember I said that when we're still going strong in 2089. I'll be dead, but our cars won't be.

Imagine attacking anyone else’s lifestyles and hobbies like this there would be uproar. Imagine banning gyms because we don’t need to hunt food so being strong is pointless, or banning restaurants because it’s more efficient to get your nutrients from pills. Thats what that horrible dystopian future you described there sounds like to a car enthusiast, It’s so unfair that our whole lifestyle is at risk like that and the fact that it’s during my lifetime is terrifying 😪

Geoff this sounds like my idea of hell glad I'll probably be long dead by then. Going to a car show with my Focus ST on Saturday.

A part of me was laughing the other part sadness fear because you're right and when those of that time realise they'll say were they so stupid didn't they see it why didn't they do anything a lot of people are sleep walking this way without understanding the full impact of what it will mean this needs to stop like yesterday and just recently they wacked up the road tax this seems more about control than anything else keep the pressure on

GOING TO BE LIKE MAD MAX PEOPLE DRIVING HOME MADE CARS

I'm now curled up in a corner listening to the first three minutes of the Italian Job, the Ferrari, Matt Monro and... bang!

Met an engineer last year, working for UK company converting classics in to modern electric. For 1m you can strip out the heart of an E-type, replace without electric motor and update all the breaks and electrics. What a travesty 😩

I have a couple of classic cars and can drive them in any ULEZ zone in the UK without charge. No MOT or road tax needed. I would have thought they would be increasing in value.

Well, a 1984 society will probably happen before 2084. People will accept it like they accepted the coconut circus narrative. And the worse is people will be enjoying this life not realising thanks to entertainment and VR Thanks for your videos my friend, really good

The Classics are loved by both Old & Young. Their values are increasing daily. They are here to stay. Internal Combustion Engines are a real engineering marvel & will outlast any of these flimsy glorified Milk delivery trucks.

Synthetic fuels should be getting cheaper as demand rises. Oil will be pumped for other fuels and lubricants .so petrol should be available if the government allows classic cars to continue.

Amazingly well written article Geoff. I suspect that you need to include Scotland going independent and also add that some islands around the world now offer petrol or diesel driving holidays and classic car owners keep their vehicle there (classic car haven).Meanwhile, India has become a dumping ground for combustable-engined vehicles where locals continue to drive them around.

Before the 70 limit, I was taking a young lady on holiday with me. We were approaching Wales, with the Bridge in the distance. My 3.4 MKII Jaguar was showing around 130 when she operated the fresh air lever, which opened the vent at the rear of the bonnet. Both front carpets and the contents of the fag tray ended up on the rear seats. I managed to stop for the toll, but when we got home and I checked the old lady over, (car). I found the brake disks were grey - not a speck of rust. Ah, the good old days. I'm still with that young lady. The Jag moved on, sadly.

Chilling .You should listen to Red Barchetta by Rush , it came out in 1981 . Still one of my favourite tunes .

My old Nissan micra (k10) 1990 is still running and probably the most practical car I've ever had (and I've had more than a few!) My goal is to keep the old girl going until at the very least 40 years old unfortunately that will be 2030 yes I know at the moment petrol and diesel will be banned for new cars but what's to stop the government to bring in new road tax rates, higher petrol prices (E5 is already 10 - 15pence more a litre than E10 already) my point is at what point does my very practical classic become to expensive to run? I'm just so pleased I've had the experience of driving all the cars I've had...cheers for all your hard work Geoff

Refuse to comply - if you sell petrol cars carry on selling them. If you buy petrol cars carry on buying them. Refuse to comply.

I thought your story was excellent, sad of course (also, it didn't mention motorbikes - oh how I miss my 94 fireblade) but a great piece

Spot on! It is going to happen. There are simply not enough people that will care.

How depressing. The only positive is that I'm 82, my eyesight is going and I'll have to give up soon. I got in just in time. We looked seriously at the French government's lease plan but that fell through. The sad little Dacha Spring still sits on the Renaut forecourt, two years later.

The best time to by an ICE will be the week before the ban comes in because the dealers will drop the prices to almost nothing just to clear their stock

Many people sleep walking into this without actually taking onboard with whats happening. There are many industries and businesses this will have huge impacts on yet they are silent. You raised classic car industry what about the motorhome industry I don't see any push back from these guys either

One thing I think you got wrong was the relative optimum on the availability of EV powered vehicles (or pods). Once ICE vehicles have been eliminated, a combination of (rare) rare earths to make batteries and the additional load on the power grid will keep vehicle ownership out of reach of low and medium income households. Politicians will wake up to the fact that the HT power lines are heating the atmosphere, so will look to implementing new “green” taxes.

Sadly this is spot on except for the timing, I agree it will be much sooner!

It is all about banning the sale of New I.C.E. cars by 2030. All present ICE cars would be still useable. However, the pain will be horrendous.

I see good analysis with different aspects in your video. Thank you.

Have a listen to the 1981 song Red Barchetta by Canadian rock trio Rush. Based on a short story from road and track it tells the story in a dystopian future where young man visits his uncle once a week to drive a Ferrari mm166 in defiance of the motor law. Looks like science fiction is on its way to becoming reality.

E fuels are exempt. They have 10 years to make those fuels work. Certainly more likely than an EV takeover.

Why are they not touching scrambler bikes, jet skis, motor boats, etc. or am I missing something. They could also limit the number of cars registered to a single household (assuming it is not a business address). So many people are way beyond two cars and streets are full of vehicles that cannot be accommodated on the drive or even in front of the address of the registered keeper. Then there are rally cars, stick cars , quad bikes and others. But no, everyone is worried that their one vehicle is about to be banned outright or priced off the road. Bang goes the caravan market, second homes, out of town shopping malls, away matches and more besides. Public transport is decades away, if not more, from coping with exactly the response our ‘rulers’ are hoping for.

Nice piece of fiction indeed. Meanwhile, back in the present day we can see the end of the road for the battery car. Prices dropped like the voltage of a ni cad battery on a cold morning. Apart from the initial expense of a vw golf for example, the running cost of charging and trying to find the charge points for a simple 200 mile round trip, plus the time involved to sit and charge up, assuming that there is no queue is in fact unworkable. Meanwhile, the jcb people are running hydrogen fuel engines. These lovely engines develop substantially more power than Diesel or petrol and by volume, use far less to obtain that power too. But please don’t worry petrolheads, while we wait for the fine tuning of hydrogen, which in my view would require a new cylinder head and fuel delivery system , we have plenty of other options. Bio fuels, for both petrol and Diesel are available, but don’t get news coverage. The electric dream ? Just wake up to reality.

The first today was taken off whilst I was watching 3 minutes in . Screen shot if you want it ??.. it was made "unavailable ".. was it you ???

The 2030/35 new ICE car ban, will make the 2nd hand car market blow up I reckon. Shell, BP etc aren't about to stop selling fuel, the infrastructure is already fully established, EVs still aren't viable for an awful lot of people. I don't think the government are going to let go of the tax they are collecting from fuel just yet either.

Geoff if you read this there has been a lot made of tyre wear from e.v owners due extra weight but have all the mechanical parts been improved to accommodate that weight ?

I had a scairy dream last night ,I drempt i tried to get on the M6 at manchester at junction 19 to go to Birmingham In my E38, But there were 4 men in a porta cabins in Uniforms it said E4 less on their badges , They had AR15 riffles and dogs They sniffed my tank and wanted a whole months fuel receipts wich i had them hidden under the matts and down the dashbourd becouse they all said E5 on them .But they found them and dragged me out .Then a grabber picked up my E38 and dropped it in the crusher at the laybye . I woke up screeming the kids woke up as well .Guy E38 Manchester .

Geoff, you should write a dystopian book…

between 2025 And 2030, I'm thinking I might sell my 24 year old Jag X308 LWB Sovereign 4 litre V8 while its still got a decent value

« Red Barchetta » from « Moving Pictures » by Rush. Released in 1981, visionary and well worth a listen…😢

I've just purchased LT35 one owner 36000 on the clock for 300 quid! I got so fed up with trying to find something euro 6 compliant I thought sod it and went to have a look and to my surprise it was in amazing shape, like it's been sealed in a bubble all these years not even surface rust. I've moted cars in dearships with more surface rust underneath, the guy told me he could not get it running but I just changed all the fluids and filters and it fired straight up and drove it 60 miles booked into a mot and it passed first time no advisories (think it's best not to do my own mots😅)

Take a look at Norway Geoff as a peep into our possible future. They are years ahead of most countries as they have 80% of new vehicle sales made up of EV's. The price of fuel over there is still comparable to the UK but their diesel is cheaper than petrol now as most private vehicles are EV or hybrid, the majority of the hybrids will be petrol hybrid leaving diesel as the choice of fuel for haulage. I am staying diesel as at current UK fuel prices it is still marginally cheaper per mile and when most people are in petrol hybrids or EV's i am hoping the fuel prices flip back to diesel being cheaper again.

my 1990 eunos roadster passed mot this week no advisory's !

It’s a nightmare scenario you have come up with. But whilst autonomous vehicles might be ok in a city, I’m not so sure out in the country. Plus what about builders, plumbers, carpenters, electricians etc? I work in that industry and we need a vehicle to carry tools and materials around. Then think of the leisure industry with motorhomes, campervans and caravans. That’s a multimillion pound industry alone. Then you have all the campsites located around the country. If nobody drives anymore and we don’t have tourism in places that rely on it, I wonder how they will survive 😞

Well it,s very sad but we won,t even be here by 2050! Let alone those Brilliant Classic cars and the memories of driving them in the 1980,s 🤷‍♂️

“… transport classic cars on the back of electric trucks” 😂😂😂 #pigsmightfly

Shame to realise our favourite classics will be trailer queens until no interest is apparent. I for one need to listen to engines day in day out.

Shorten the dates by 25years , sprinkle “health” fascism , point to the will of the “new” world government , and you are spot on.

As a Porsche Enthusiast and owner of a lowly 996.1 911 and a 987 Boxster S, I do wonder what will happen to the values of my friends older aircooled 911`s in the future, now valued into the hundred thousand pounds bracket and much higher in some cases 😢👿

Electric cars,electric home’s electric everything.how we going to live with all this power?…won’t work.

Not bad listening to your article it doesn’t just stop there, there are many other things we take for granted that require petrol or Diesel. Let’s take the humble lawnmower will a Electric lawnmower cut overgrown grass with ease like a petrol one also you said overgrown Country roads what do councils will find it hard and our uk farmers an ev tractor….

Yes this is coming. Why do you even object/refuse. Just accept, buy, consume and throw away yersterdays purchase.

It's all so sad Geoff.Glad i'm 50, and had many fun cars, BMW 325i to Hillman Imp, Renault 5 GT Turbo to MK1Golf GTI, MK2 Golf GTI, Peugeot 205 GTI, Astra 1.6 diesel estate, Escort 1.6 D Van- (my favourite), Golf GT TDI, VW Touareg 2.5 5 cylinder, and on it goes, oh, and a 1340 mini, called "Shit Hot 2", one of Birmingham's fastest mini's in the late 80's.Sold that beauty in 1992 for £400 quid.

Thanks, I’m really depressed now…..😢

I sold my mini 1071 in 2018 for many reason but def the electric thing was 1. Should of kept it and retro fitted an electric motor maybe

I have been thinking this ever since the future ban on new petrol and diesels was announced. Car ownership is dying as most new cars are effectively just leased already. In the future, most people will just book a journey from a to b using an app on a phone and a self driving car will arrive to take you there, just like a taxi. Uber are only using human drivers now because they have to. You will probably still have a choice of what car to be in and will be charged accordingly. The car will then go back to a centralised charging point. The only thing that I would add to the predictions in the video will be a law banning the private storage of petrol or diesel. All but a few classic cars will have to swap their ICE for a battery.

It's not about climate change, pollution or anything else related to that, it's probably not about collecting more taxes from new vehicle sales either. This is the end of the oil abundance. That's why they want to make it impossible for the majority of the population to use private vehicles in many ways. Old vehicles being banned in many countries, areas with less polluting gases, very low speed limits like 20 mph or 32 km/h in some regions of England, increased taxes for older vehicles using climate justification and several other things. Everything to make it difficult, unfeasible, bad, to have a car and keep it. They don't want the majority of the population, who are poor, to drive around in their old cars consuming the oil that is running out. They want only them to use petroleum in their luxury cars, or electric cars that only they can buy. Let the common people ride the bus. Oil will be saved in this way to last longer to be used to plant, harvest, transport infrastructure maintenance equipment, etc, etc, etc... Did you understand? By 2050, only 25% of gasoline or ethanol cars will be allowed to circulate and the majority will be used for essential services. Almost all private vehicles in the future will be banned.

I think longer term the fact all new drivers will be auto only will kill sales and values as they won't be able to drive them

I believe there will be electric conversion kits that will be a huge market allowing cars to convert to electric and thus saving them for future generations…

Good article . I was watching a video about ice ban, specifically talking about Motorbikes. Hadn't really given it that much thought, neither has the govt. Not really suitable for batteries and practical issues. Tech is way behind cars, cost is crazy. Govt making it harder and more costly to get a license. (Passed around 2005). I'm thinking about another bike. But thought, how long until we can't ride them. Will need a freedom pass and save carbon points. Next video I watched was this, so a bit spooky. I am turning more Geoff like, the more vids I watch? Will I start buying slightly lairy clothing?

My daily is a Volvo 940 turbo estate, 6 months ago these weere being imported from Japan as nice examples here are few and far between. They are now selling for 2-3k less, so I've just lost money if i sell it through bo fault of my own. Ive a Volvo 240 aswell, they were getting up in the 5-6-7k range, now they ate striggling to make 3k. Yet the same models in poor condition over 40yrs old so (tax, mot, ulez exempt) are going for far more than they are worth!

More like, "as I make my drive to work, I came across 50 EV's broke down on the side of the road today, with many NEW diesel safety retrial trucks servicing them seemingly everywhere" as the EU's nationwide economy has become crippled and revolution is in the air".

You just described the story of Rush's Bed Barchetta song.

Unfortunately in Australia the market for british classic cars and l have seen a couple sell they are not selling well the intrest is not there many of the people interested in classic british cars is from people in there 70s and 80s not many young people are getting into them a Morris 1000 is worth about aud $5000 l saw a ute sell for that and of course utes are worth more than cars l saw a Hillman Hunter sell for aud $2500 but people are asking rediculous prices for there classic cars but what people are buying is if course in the Australian built Fords and Holdens and classic Toyotas

Think you are being a bit optimistic Geoff Hee hee. The way its all going those predictions will come to pass far sooner. Probably all be before 2040. Know anyone with a Triumph Herald or Vitesse for sale? Still got the manufacturers workshop manual from when I rebuilt a Vitesse many years ago.

Been wondering that question for a good while

I ride a Royal Enfield 500cc Bullet (Electra EFI), how is the petrol going to be got for motorcyclists that still ride ICE, already the E10 fuel is causing problems (rotting fuel lines, water absorbtion causing all sorts of issues, not just for bikes) Now surely two wheel transport is cleaner and other cities have bikes everywhere. Will we see more two wheels on the road, once the so called electrification takes hold of the market ? On the issue of charging your car, all that is doing is pushing your greenhouse effects towards another country... ie mining for battery materials, electricity coming from France and then the disposal of used batteries which is not very easy to reclaim. Ohhh and electric bikes dont seem to attract many buyers as they might be fast but dont have the range. I can ride my bike from South Lincolnshire to Alloa in Scotland and fill up anywhere on the way, I recently took my car (ICE) up there and only passed four fuel stations and none of them had charging ports

A dystopian hellscape! Sadly I fear a lot of what you wrote will come to a rotten , stinking Orwellian 'victory gin' fuelled nightmare.

It does amaze me that people are still paying huge amounts of money for classic cars with this threat of no fuel hanging over us. Obviously it might be possible to convert them to electric, but even so!

I have a 3.0 Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo which is quite modified. I do about 1000 miles a year. Should Khan bring in this ULEZ charge I will single turbo it and pay.

Well not one of us will have to worry .we won't be here by then .and BLOODY glad I won't be as well 😱😱😱😵😵

but it's not just classic cars, the classic/retro lorry scene is massive as is classic heavy plant etc etc. this insane push to stop diesel/petrol will be so costly as we still need crude oil for manufacturing plastic and rubber etc which EV's need! but you decrease global demand for oil then the refining cost goes up which means we all pay more.

Mate of mine has 25th Anniversary Lambo, what a thing

I think there's going to be petrol/diesel around at least until 2050 and you will still be able to import an engine or engine parts for your ICE vehicle and classic vehicles for a very long time to come, I think we are end up a bit like India where we will repair and repair our ICE cars maybe even learn to panel beat the panels when we have a ding with someone.

And what happens when the Govt ban the use of Electricity?

Will you be listing Pro Car stickers in your YT shop soon?

See the new ruling from the EU thanks to Germany. Synthetic fuel is coming. Petrol and diesel cars are no longer banned from being sold new, provided they run on synthetic fuel. The beauty of the not all that new synthetic fuel is it can be put in existing cars without any changes, can be sold through existing petrol station infrastructure and delivered in the same tankers. I seriously now think we'll see huge investment going into synthetic fuel and it'll be out there before we know it. It works for governments keeping their fuel duty, oil companies keeping their massive profits and consumers in terms of convenience and little/no adaption.

I think those who can afford classic cars will still be able to drive them because they have the money for a full electric conversion, but it will come with a robot computer to override the owners sporty desires.For the rest who drove bog standard cars,they will be on their bike.

Classic👍

They will a loophole or they just extended by 5 years and then another 5 years

Take 40 years off your projections

My EV questions never get answered, how different do EV motors behave when used on a pre-wash and a 1600 spin cycle?

Classic car market relies on nostalgia to keep prices high No nostalgia no value

Toyota announced no more EV's , another concern is how long term is petrol going to be available I have a Corvette not the most economical of cars but my 350 diesel Mercedes is I think quite good on fuel , how long can I drive them until these jerks in government along with tree huggers get involved without rational thinking working 30 miles away how does one get to work it already takes approx. 40 mins

What about other forms of transport, steam, coal, wood etc. burning vehicles???, also how will motor sports be affected???, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Efuels might keep the ICE going for a while.

Sounds like the film ‘Demolition Man’ 😮

I am restoring a "classic". It will do about 10 miles per year. I am restoring it as a project, not to drive thousands of miles. Most classics are only out on nice days. Not forgetting the huge vintage lorry/bus fraternity, and railway restorer and preservation communities. This is not just about cars.

Their will be a market for those cars, if you can make it to china or Russia. Travel ban not a chance..

This will be very true if we let it.

Also, look at the amount of people making a living from classic cars and the skills that would be lost and that's not to mention the lost revenue.. This is so much more than about cars, you only have to look at the way we are being controlled in just about everything.