Agreed. I rewatched it a few more times to make this video, and I was surprised by how the ending still felt like it had a punch, even though I knew it was going to happen.
Besides Vinz being white, he's also Jewish. In France, Jewish people have historically been disenfranchised and discriminated against. Also, this is an amazing video! I love this movie so much!
@@Cinematographs_ i loved the video it did a great job at highlighting the films best narrative qualities. But i feel like leaving Vinz's heritage out was a huge missed opportunity. Vinz does not breed for the system because of the treatment towards his friends. He does it out of fear, when Germany invaded North of France they were one of the first minorities that were targeted with the help of the French goverment. Fear can breed hate and fear is what drives Vinz's actions in the movie but he hides it under this mask of machismo (the mirror scne comes to mind). Still a great analysis overall of a great movie.
@@spacetoastjam7656 I actually originally planned on talking about Vinz being Jewish and his "gangster" facade, but I cut it out! I was worried the video would get too long, and I was struggling with the organization of it once I added the part about Vinz seeing the treatment of his friends. The reason I chose to comment on this in lieu of Vinz being Jewish is because I watched Kassovitz's commentary on the film, and he mentioned that Said and Hubert do not need to be hateful because of how they experience racism in their day to day life, but because Vinz doesn't and has to see it through the lens of his friends, he creates his own hate. I found this to be an interesting point that connected better with the articles I talked about stating that police officers in France performed checks on Black and Arab men a lot more than white men, and it was also consistent with how the police didn't immediately think Vinz was "with" Said and Hubert when they're outside that apartment in France getting arrested (this was something Kassovitz noted as well). At the same time, I do think both things are true at once! Kassovitz also mentions in the commentary how Vinz has to hide behind his hate, and he specifically made him Jewish to show how everyone experienced problems in the banlieues. In hindsight, I should've mentioned Vinz being Jewish when I talk about him having experienced discrimination for being from the banlieues, despite being white, in order to clarify things more! But yes, I definitely do agree about fear being another factor in creating hate-I had notes about the little things he exhibited that showed he was scared, such as flinching when Hubert messed around with him in this one scene. As I think about it more, it was a missed opportunity and I could've talked about it somewhere in the video, but I wasn't fully sure about where to write it in at the time!
@@tps3269 Thank you!! I’m surprised to not hear a lot about it, especially because I think it’s one of those films that’s easy to get into, even if you’re not a consistent film enjoyer.
It provides a necessary context for understanding the social issues of the past and present. I am one of those guys who was born in the "banlieues" and I think that, like many people, I have witnessed (and inherited) these scenes of constant tension between the power of the police, who legally cover themselves, and the youth, whose Haine towards them grows. Obviously, Kassovitz's film lacks a lot of information, but the desire to portray people growing inside this chaos in their complexities and emotions is perfectly represented in your video, well done ! +1 sub (hope my english was not completely dogshit btw)
I’m glad to see you feel like the film has captured that environment (at least at its core), and it’s also cool to hear your perspective on it as one of the people from the banlieues! I always found it interesting how Kassovitz had this cause-effect relationship and ongoing conflict for both sides in the film. Though I didn’t fully know everything the first time I watched before I researched it, so I agree with you that there is a lack of information/context for these events. (And your English is also great, as the other commenter said)
@@shiven513 Agreed! I think the sense of normalcy (no matter how dark that normal is) in the kids’ lives really pushes that narrative the film wanted to achieve.
For some reason, your video popped up in my recommended. I will admit I won't be finishing this one as I plan to watch it, but I took a look through your channel and I am amazed that you don't have more views or subs. You speak with such knowledge and passion, specifically I liked your reviews on the Beekeeper and The Killer (watched those because I had seen the films) and then your Month of Kurosawa video was really enjoyable! I was surprised when you said you only started getting into film a year ago, you already have an understanding of these works. Best of luck in future videos, and I hope to see the next one very soon :)
@@Sovereignty2112 this comment made my day! I’m very happy to see that you enjoy my content and love for film! I didn’t get into it until recently, but I’ve been trying my best to study some of the classics and am aiming to work in the industry later on. Thank you for the support!
I’ve actually been meaning to watch that one for a while-good suggestion, I’ll probably do a deep dive into it and make a video some time in the future!
@@gabrielidusogie9189 I took a film class for a couple of years in high school, so I got a good bit of experience taking some scenes and analyzing them! One thing I’ve noticed is that when trying to make any film-related essay, the beginning of the process is always the most painful part, but once you get past that and rewatch the films a couple more times, your points get narrowed down a lot more. That being said, I am no expert in analyzing film and still have a lot to learn! And yes, I feel like the two films are very similar stylistically and thematically, but at the same time, they both bring something unique to the table. It’s on my to-do list to watch them back to back one night!
@@gabrielidusogie9189 I think it depends on how familiar you are with what you’re analyzing! When I was writing stuff that I didn’t feel like I had much direction for (Fincher’s similarity in style to Hitchcock’s), I read up on a lot of sources to kinda gain my footing of the general messages of the films I was using, and a lot of the elements that work in creating those messages. I took notes on things that stood out to me, but once I was comfortable I went ahead and watched + rewatched all the films I was using, making my own notes with specific time stamps for important scenes/moments. I remember being worried about how to balance my own analysis with other people’s analyses, but I ended up making a lot of the points myself instead of others’! In fact, I don’t think it’s ever bad to research too much! Everything just helps you gain a fuller understanding of what you’re looking at. Even for this essay, I’d say that a good half of my notes were never used/mentioned, but they did help inform me in what I should be studying when rewatching the film! Basically, a lot of research ends up being like a guide for what you explore yourself! It’s mainly when you feel ready, and when you start rewatching it’ll be a lot easier to draw connections! Either way, I’m sure it’ll come out being your voice and your analysis!
If you ever feel like someone made a good point you didn’t catch, you can try exploring it further or see if that detail relates to some other detail or motif in the film! That still becomes something that you’re looking at/are able to infer.
For a video that purports to be suggests a leevl of fluency with French politics, cultural and racial dynamics, and social situation in general, it was hard to take seriously when the title (two words) is not pronounced properly.
Respectfully, I don’t claim, nor would I ever claim, to know anything about French politics. Prior to making the video, I knew very little, and I still know very little! I’m American, and I will very openly admit that means there’s a disconnect between my understanding of France’s situation and a French person’s understanding of France’s situation. I’m not trying to make any judgments of French politics. My video aims to look at what specifically Kassovitz’s judgments of these politics were, based on the film’s technical choices in relation to the social context. By doing so, I had to provide some background of the situation and racial dynamics there, because like me, there’s probably a lot of people watching this video who also had little background of these events. This background that I do provide is a grossly simplified version, because going too in-depth could take away from the overall look into Kassovitz’s directorial choices and come off as bias that I don’t feel fit in with the purpose of the video. My research wasn’t necessarily tailored to studying the pronunciation of each word, and a lot of the English-speaking videos I’ve seen mentioning the film pronounce it the same way I do. I’m not saying this makes it correct-my first language is not English, so I understand firsthand the struggle of hearing words pronounced incorrectly in a language-but I am saying that hopefully there’s an understanding that I’m not purposefully mispronouncing the words to be difficult. I’d already put in my description a disclaimer apologizing for my botched up pronunciation because I knew it wasn’t going to be perfect French-still, I don’t believe that this should take away from the credibility of what is said in the video because that ends up being counterproductive. It’s especially disheartening to hear that something I hadn’t realized was a problem negates the hard work put into making the video. I was aiming to analyze a culturally important film while stimulating interest for the social situation that led to its creation, and a lot of what I mention has also been confirmed by Kassovitz himself. That being said, I apologize for not pronouncing La Haine properly, because I really do know stuff like that can be annoying, but I hope that you were at least able to appreciate the points made here!
@@Cinematographs_ As a french person, please don't pay any mind to him. There's always one of those, doesn't matter the language. Phenomenal video btw.
