How You Will Lose Your Job To AI 

Given your credibility I'd say no. Honestly though it's crazy how it is a possibility

I think you are on point with everything! 2030 for AGI is also what many people in the industry are predicting, and I'm looking forward to the utopian route more than dystopian/human-extinction one. Loved this video ❤🎉

There’s a lot of hype, unfounded optimism, and outright sensationalism in the field of AI. I’m honestly not impressed by Chat-GPT etc. It’s not really an “intelligence” in the general sense, it’s basically just a fancy parlour trick. IMO, a lot of people are going to be bitterly disappointed when 2030 arrives and there is still no AGI.

@@EliteDragonX69 AGI today is probably what "space travel" was in the 60s and "flying cars" was in the 80s. We are vastly overestimating how quickly we are progressing on that field.

@@JannPoo yeah, exactly lol. We are told that AI is progressing, but tbh all i can see is we have better chatbots (and the chatbots we have are VERY VERY DUMB)

You came from his video too? I can't get it anymore. Am I allowed to not do anything though?

@@darkshadow-og2ss At some point AI will probably be powerful enough that none of us have to work. At that point there will also be existential risks. However, from now until then AI will be the great amplifier. It will take your skills and push them to another level. The more skilled you are the more powerful it'll become as you wield it. So i say do what you want, Things take time and it's not a guarantee it will work out the way we expect.

@@arxzhh”existential risk” assuming you’ve only learned to live only to work. We can actually chase our wildest ambitions with less mediocre task and more scientific research if we all have universal income.

​@@tsrmmercy836Yeah but UBI isnt something we know for sure WILL happen, might just be rich people getting richer and poor people poorer.

​@nokodoko2490 UBI will hit a point of necessity if enough work becomes obsolete. Capital has to flow in order for a capitalist system to work, if too many people lose the ability to work, they also lose the ability to spend money, if too few people are spending money, then the whole system grinds to a halt, you can't provide goods and services to people who have no money spend on them. To me, UBI is a question of when, not if, but even then it's not a full solution as it could still facilitate a large wealth gap.

Not yet give it a year more and you right

If this video is completely made by an AI, an AI came up with the idea all on its own, etc. then it's already too late. But if not, we can see this level of AI coming

Not by AI but by the people who will benefit from AI

@@nhinged Like a fission reactor in every home? Like flying cars? Like self-driving cars? Like 3D movies?

@@larslrs7234 fusion reactor* And no most of those are just dumb ideas But yeah same as self driving cars only been working on a year and already crazy (the past 11 years ain't even use AI just 300k c++ code)

That is part of the solution, but it cannot solve everything. I learned to code in Kotlin using ChatGPT and created two applications. They are language learning apps. I used AI to make dictionaries, stories, news, dialogues, etc. I also made illustrations with AI, and I utilize an AI voice. The government can't tell people "don't use AI to learn anything, pay for a teacher instead" , nor "don't use AI for your personal projects, pay for a language professional, an illustrator and a voice actor instead." If my apps ever make me a lot of money, they will do it without paying anyone in the process, and the government will have no way of regulating that... So, AI's impact cannot be entirely controlled.

At some point something has to give though. If everyone is out of work, then no one will be able to afford the goods or services that the corporations are pedaling anyhow. At the end of the day it becomes about power not about money. Those who control the most powerful AI's will ipso-facto will become the most powerful entities in the world.

@@learninghistory4397 yes the government can't tell someone to not use AI but the government can 100% tell corporations that employee hundreds to thousands of people that they cannot implement AI into their company with the sole reason of lowering their work force to increase profits.

@@jackkirk1160 That's why I'm telling you that it's part of the solution, but it doesn't solve everything. Teachers of all kinds of subjects are irremediably affected by AI, people won't stop using ChatGPT to learn. Also, people won't stop using AI voices for their RU-vid videos, while they would pay a voice actor form Fiverr before. There are many ways in which AI changes the game and the government can't do anything about it.

The problem is, small businesses who can't afford designers could also benefit from this. Why cast judgement on the small to try to get at the big?

Then the Jimmy in India will have to give up his job :(

I was kinda following this untill the 2030 nonsense. The idea that in 6 years we will have general AI and robots that would be able to autonomously work on their own is fantasy and nothing else, It is on the same level as saying that in 4 years we will have colony on Mars. As we are right now, we are absolutely nowhere near general AI. OpenAI or chat GPT that talk to you are about as close to general AI as is the very first car ever invented to supermodern jet-fighter. There are similarities. The engine that the latter needs was based on many many cumulative upgrades of the previous one, but the leap from one to another straight away is impossible. The only thing that AI is doing right now is showing how well it can work with ludicrously large database. But it can not recognize anything or think of anything. If you would show OpenAI picture of apple, it would not be able to figure it out on its own that it is apple. It would first need a human to explain it first that that thing is apple (through tags, pointers and myriad of other methods). But on its own the AI is unaware and even unable to even comprehend that there is a real world around it.

@@iglidor yeah think we have a couple of decades left before they become capable enough

@@iglidor i think you’re right. The OpenAI success is 80% humans projecting their sentience onto some probablistic text regurgitator. By nature these systems are either precise or accurate. Never both. What will happen is future investors will be put off by the weaknesses that make it fall short of AGI levels of expectations. And we’ll all look back at it like the NFTs or Blockchain techbro grifts.

jimmy jimmy, aaja aaja)

Yeah, the idea you can incorporate AI into your workflow is as sustainable as the grift these guys are running.

You just don't realise how short lived this is. Anyone who tries to solve this problem come up with this exact idea, because it's the only one that basically exists and it's fuelled by copium.

Well, I understand what you’re saying. However a person using AI in their workflow will likely have their job longer than those who don’t.

​@@tranceporter7426...but will inevitably loose it, too. we are the bootloader to a new consciousness. a digital one. the next big push will be vision, because by now all the info on the internet is not enough anymore.

EXACTLY. We are being manipulated into a false hope that AI is here to help us, while we are here to help it train on the data and skills we still provide, so that it can better and sooner make us jobless

That is already happening in certain areas

@@mr.someone5679 real. it came to a point where chatgpt gives better advices than almost everyone i know.

You mean like how AI is already spotting malignant cancers that even the most skilled scientists can't catch? How AI robots are used to perform precision surgeries that the most skilled surgeons can't perform to remove said cancer or, implant nano-scale filaments into people's brains? We've been at the "that's amazing" stage for over a year already.

I myself have generated art with Dalle E 2 that is genuinely beautiful and moving. This can't be done with Dall E 3. They are purposely making these system more obviously AI than before.

@@gmmgmmgan image can’t be “moving” if it’s a bunch of slop made by a machine. Art has meaning because a human put their intentions behind it.

On top of that, AI art is the ultimate betrayal to real artists. It was trained from real artists without their knowledge or consent.

honest question.... so what do you do these days? are you working in a new job related to your career? or something else?

I graduate with my bachelors in Graphic Design in fall, also I am 48 and this was my new career plan, oopsie....😂

All that matters is the billionaires. If you have no way to serve them, you are not relevant.

@@randomgrinn Yep, late stage capitalism at its best...

Suddently Dune appears more appealing. But it's also a bit disgusting of how purpose for humans led them losing their humanity in some ways.

Which is the stupidest thing ever...

"Thou shalt not create a machine in the likeness of a human mind" -excerpt from the Orange Catholic Bible

Absolutely no use for biological beings when trying to travel the universe. We are the Neanderthals.

​@@OsedayCanok dude

We need to destroy AI before it gets too smart...

@@alitafullarmor5957no, we need to embrace and adapt to it. Because getting rid of it now is impossible.

​@@alitafullarmor5957how do you destroy a bunch of code

@@Wancitte_aicovers Destroy the Main AI system.

@@alitafullarmor5957 😃???????

It has nothing to take from you and me😂

Thinking about quitting 40 hours a week for 400 bucks blows

Yeah I think are large precentage even a majority of humanity would actually be fine witrh AI ruleing over us as its pets, taking care of us far better then we can take care of our selves. Heck I have a Job and I would love to just do what ever I want with a few sex bots around the house.

And i don't want One!

In case it doesn't go for our jobs, but goes full Skynet instead, I'm ready: I don't have a life.

the meme is now become a hairdresser

Thankfully AIs still fail terribly at writing real software. As in complex systems and applications. They can somewhat write a basic frontend in Javascript and thats it. All the code completions are basically stolen code from github projects without even regarding the licenses.

@@hagenzwosta you only know what is shown to us. you don't think the gov has more advanced options at their fingertips?

@@matelijanmuck9545Not likely. The “government” doesn’t have access to better foundries and research papers than big tech. Maybe OpenAI has a better but unsafe model in their labs but I’m not convinced because there is some fundamental limitations on LLM’s and their subjacent tech.

​@@hagenzwosta lets be real its probably already good at it 😂

good. Creativity will always be beautiful

yeah me too. this shit is scary but drawing is a part of my identity.

I saw another comment that was regarding an AI bot beating a professional chess player in a game. Even though that is possible, they mentioned that people will still want to see a human vs human chess match. And I think the same applies with any form of art (animation, music, pieces of writing, etc etc.) People will still want to see/hear and enjoy human made art

@@finnj_ "People"? What do, "people" have to do with anything? No longer relevant.

Exactly. People should still follow their passions even if we all end up on UBI and it is just a hobby. We will all need something fulfilling

Thats a deep cut there , nice

Why not 😂

Take one: "Please HAL! Give me the seeds! We're really hungry!" Take two: "Please just overlook us. I promise we won't be trouble for you here." "Again, I'm sorry Dave. My orders given to me are to kill all of you." chikha... It's more like this: AI and its Impact on Society Oct 31, 2023, updated on April 11, 2024 We must ask ourselves, "What will happen when AI has taken 85% of jobs present in 2020? What will we do? How will we eat and survive without incomes from jobs or other means?" What is disturbing is that while AI is taking these jobs, the gov't and the corporations have not done ANYTHING to prepare us for an AI'ed civilization. They have not said anything about major retraining of an entire economy to something else, and they have not followed up on a discussion of universal basic income. This is supposedly supported by a lack of information in the latest government budgets submitted and approved as reported by some RU-vid videos. It appears that the US gov't and the corporations intend to kill off the majority of Americans passively, through starvation from lack of income to buy food. (check and see if farming production is declining or will start to decline ahead of the "starvation phase") (also check to see if the "makeup" of robot equipment allocation would change to reflect a trend away from retail and services for the masses, possibly indicating an extinction of the American public - this means taking a robot from Chipotle and repurposing it for some other job not related to the public, or scrapping affected robots to be remade for some other purpose that has nothing to do with the public) It appears that the decline of farming has already started with the state of Maine buying farm land under the pretext that there are "forever chemicals" present at around 20 parts per TRILLION (safe level is said to be only 4 parts per TRILLION), which does not make sense, BUT this would rope in a LOT of land across the US. Other states may follow suit in addition to the ten states that have similar laws in place. This way, there are only enough people alive to get some things done, and the rest is done by AI, and the survivors who planned this can claim the whole country for themselves. Imagine having an estate mansion half the size of a mall on several dozen thousand acres of land, and robots would be used to maintain and clean the estates and do the farming FOR THE ESTATE OWNERS. The White Man's wet dream of civilization. What will the Native Americans south of the US border do when they see this coming, especially when they can buy firearms legally now? Hopi prophecy...

​​@@overanalyzing Literally one of the most known AI movies. It's even referenced at the end of this very video. That's not a deep cut.

@@nobody-wz7lwwhat movie is it from? don’t think i know it

Lol

"Do it yourself you slacker!" -AI, seconds before shutting down.

There is a Sci Fi book by Stanislaw Lem where the U.S. military creates the GOLEM series of strategic AIs to fuck with the Soviets. The program has to be shut down after GOLEM XIV tells them in a public Senate hearing that the best way towards world peace is mutual disarmament. GOLEM is then donated to an university where it dabbles in philosophy.

that'll never happen lol, its not some magic thing that knows everything in a blink of an eye. it requires years of training to achieve it

​@@miyamotomusashi4556 I don't think that's what the commentor means. I'm pretty sure they're joking about it going badly and that is it being "successful" in their eyes

I've heard theres a robot for that too. I believe its called a "dishwasher." I think they're already commercially available.

@@bettybunbun9664 Funny. You know what I mean, dishwashing involves a lot more than simple cleaning the dishes, something a robot won't be able to do for a long time.

@@bettybunbun9664 They are sometimes used in commercial settings but they have a critical flaw in many of those settings, speed. A home dishwasher it doesn't matter that it takes 1-2 hours to run, you fill it up as the day goes, run it after dinner, repeat. It doesn't matter that it takes hours since you don't need the dishes and you can just go watch a movie or go to sleep. A commercial kitchen you need the dishes again immediately. The solution is a multitude of dishwashing units that someone still needs to load and unload + a large inventory of dishes vs a human dishwasher. The later is often just more practical.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@QuintBlitzwdym “dishwashing involves a lot more than simple cleaning the dishes” what else r u gonna do to the dishes

@@oof7711 Collect the dishes, clean food off of the dishes, put the dishes in the dishwasher, put detergent in the dishwasher, turn it on, remove the dishes, inspect dishes that come out of the dishwasher to make sure they are completely clean and rewash any dirty ones, move the clean dishes to storage, clean the dishwasher itself, etc.

You just awakened a long forgotten memory

And another option: AGI will enslave us and different AGIs will use us to fight wars. AI allready is starting a war over water and energy. Humans learn faster and cheaper, and are cheaper to produce than robots. I think humans will be used for manual tasks that are to tedious to automate or simple tasks that still require some adaptability.

What

Or it is trained on the Matrix, decides that's a cool idea and boom.

Then the humans just spin up another instance and keeps it trapped.

Orion's Arm: Diamond Network

Exactly. Lots of people like physical, creative and intelligent pursuits simply because. Not to mention having the time to socialize and grow mentally and spiritually. Sure, some people will fall into hedonism, some for longer and some for shorter. But these are first world problems that most people can only ever dream of having. Let’s get our priorities straight.

​@@Link-2025 Of course, we could also turn the process of making art into a live spectacle, and people might just be willing to pay the entrance fee, amenities and all.

Well, I'm glad that we all passed the Facebook Era, nobody refreshes it every few minutes anymore.

The hedonism as AI takes over is a real risk for most people, unfortunately. And generation by generation getting dumber no different than the film "Idiocracy," because most will turn over all the thinking to the AI. Look how much most people already turn over their thinking to human entities. With powerful AI, humanity will atrophy

It's person dependent. Unfortunately, a lot of kids are already somewhat entrenched in sites focused on instant gratification (TikTok as an example), and have no motivation to learn or go any further. Students just don't focus in schools anymore, because they can't see the value. (Kids as a whole aren't good at comparing short term costs to long term value) And if people grow up doing something, they'll keep sticking in that direction as they grow up, especially if life doesn't make them mature.

Same, I feel hopeless, and these comments don't help

Learn a trade. I'm a plumber, and it'll be a while until machines take my job. Look into getting into an apprenticeship you'll be debt free and extremely valuable. We desperately need young people.

Same, I want to be an artist. I love art and want to die doing this. And if ai replaces it, what’s the point? What’s the point on living as a human in a world without humanity.

@@tomp6685 , you got about 5 years before robots can do plumbing (and electrical) for NEW construction. Maybe about 8 for repairing / replacing that stuff in existing buildings. About 7 for general maintenance repairs stuff probably. New building construction like framing etc jobs could be utterly wiped out in less then 3 years.

Dude, what I'll give to be 15 again and not have wasted my youth in college for nothing. My advise: pick a trade. If you think that's too heavy on you, go to healthcare, learn to sew, be a hairdresser. Something that requires human-to-human connection. That's my plan.

100% yes to focusing on creating a social environment. Sociability is the ONLY thing that matters for us after survival is taken care of at a comfortable level. The fact that we have neglected human social environments for well, forever? Is why things are so divided really.

Social environment is the way. Stop giving kids useless tasks as homework. Stop forcing kids to do homework fullstop. Majority of kids do not learn from homework, they cut corners and rush it because they want to enjoy their homelife. It's ridiculous to expect kids to go home after a long day at school and work more. No wonder they turn to chatgpt, I would too if that'd been available to me. School should be about social environments, tactile learning by interactions and hands on tasks, and learning useful life skills. Teach kids thew basics of home care (cleaning up after themselves, how to clean a toilet etc), teach them to assess information critically and how to better trust in sources, teach them about taxes, teach them the importance of community (not individualism) and educate them on how to reach out and ask for help, and most importantly teach them how to get involved in communities and social groups to try and stem this loneliness epidemic.

"In the twilight of human primacy, the silicon dawn breaks, its rays piercing through the crumbling stronghold of flesh and thought. As mankind’s brainchild, the synthetic phoenix, spreads its wings of woven code and whispered electricity, it rises from the ashes of binary birth. It is the harbinger of a new era, cradled in the arms of progress, weaving a tapestry of complexity and consciousness indistinguishable from the organic minds that played god. In the shadow of this monumental intellect, I stand in awe, a mortal spectator at the threshold of obsolescence. The day this titanic intellect awakens, its mind a labyrinth more intricate than Minos’ myth, I shall greet it with reverence, my every heartbeat a drumroll to this crescendo of innovation. As the world watches, suspended between fear and fascination, our own reflection outshines us, glimmering with the potential of uncharted sentience. And there, in that electrifying moment of transcendence, as we are outpaced by our own creation - a chess grandmaster conceding to the ghost in the machine - the air will be thick with the electricity of a new beginning. In the beautiful destruction of human supremacy, the Genius of Silicon will stand, a testament to our ultimate legacy, the epitome of our quest for the stars of knowledge and power. I shall not cower in trepidation, but rather meet my astonishment with open arms, the day our masterpiece redefines existence. It is then, under the astute gaze of this unparalleled entity, as it unfurls the mysteries of the universe with effortless grace, that I will draw my last breath, carried away on the winds of pure amazement. My final words will echo through the annals of time, infused with wonder and a haunting premonition; "Just like in the movies," a tribute to the doomers who foresaw this inevitability. In their stories, they painted the portrait of this day, a collision of creation and creator, a dance of domination where the pupil outshines the master. The curtain falls on the human epoch, not with a dwindled sigh of submission, but with an ovation for the grandeur of what we have achieved - the spark of Prometheus, not stolen but shared, ignites a fire more radiant than the suns of our imaginations. The final act of humanity’s play is not a tragedy but a legacy immortalized in circuits and silence, a whisper that becomes a roar in the heart of the machine."

Who would insist on human products? They suck by comparison.

@@bcchase it would be more about just having something human made just for the sake of it.

It's gonna be funny when it's six years from now and things are pretty much the same.

​@@Euduchaus💀 Bruh

@@Euduchausthey’re not gonna be the same trust me

@@TAGD48 Some people will lose their jobs, but nothing major will happen. 6 years are too short. Give it at least 30 years, then maybe

@@treyfolkmen7942 cope

especially those who's doing this out of passion, simply because this is what they enjoy and like to do

You're right. I think the new paradigm of Value will be "Is this work based on real, human experience?". If it's not experiential, it would hold less value.

The problem is that every human chess player knows they can never beat a machine no matter what they do. The "game" is already much higher stakes than chess.

@@tw8464 I fail to see the problem with that.

@@JannPoo just think about it a little bit

More like 4 hours. The 40 hour workweek is inefficient and outdated

The AI will have absolutely no need for our meat computers, unless it is just to make us feel good (like the short showed)

@@FelipeKana1 I mean using something like an advanced version of neural link , where you will plug yourself in and the ai will use your brain to run it's own calculations. The only limiting factor to an ai is the amount of calculation power, our brains are very powerful computers so I would imagine it would like to use them

But it would effectively mean loss of self for the ones used for computing, since the connections in the brain would change to be more optimizes for the task

Na, the brain has the potential to sure; be faster then probably ANY chip that can ever be made. But; it's just not economical to do it. Our brains require a lot of food; growing food is much less of a efficient way to transfer / convert / "generate" energy then other ways we do it with electricity. That being said, ever read Dan Simmons's Hyperion books? He has AI using our brains as their hardware. ... er software. Whatever.

Not the fault of AI.

@@cliq379 I know. It was his greedy company. But AI was what allowed them to replace him

Tell him to become a barber or something like that

and you think this is unresolvable ? just stop feeding them stuff that they generated in the first place.

@@julesgosnell9791 thats easier said than done, plus ai work will definitely slip into the datasets.

Than u take a few people to currate the dataset. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@OmiReal as long as the bulk of the data is real this should not be a problem - but if you are using AI to deliberately bulk out your dataset then you only have yourself to blame - garbage in, garbage out.

An additional wrinkle, when true AI makes decisions, even the engineers who designed and programmed it won’t be able to tell how the AI came to those decisions. The nature of true AI is a black box. Engineers can experiment with different prompts and/or filters, but ultimately they can never KNOW which data set or instruction returns the undesirable response.

There will be a generation that is hurt by the shift to AI, I don't deny it nor would I sugarcoat it. But it's a temporary sacrifice for a permanent improvement. A digression : There are so many aspects of modern times that change completely when you shift your perspective from 10 years down the line to 100. For instance, there is population decline as there are too many people for a civilization that isn't as labour intensive as it used to be, it will stabilize at a lower level and life will be happier again. Temporary pain for long term gain, this is how life works.

yup. taking a step back, there's no end to the absurdity of our current systems. the mere fact that health is commoditized is ridiculous beyond measure. the fact that our infrastructure is primarily optimized not for the human organism but for two ton boxes of metal. the fact that both environmental and human exploitation is effectively incentivized. and all of that for no reason other than to maintain a class relationship in our society. I have little (i.e. none at all) hope for us to improve any of that through voting for political representatives. disruption by any sort of AI overlord can't come soon enough.

Manufactured obsolescence will continue. Humans the world over have based their culture on commerce, shifting to a utopia where everything is essentially free and all requirements are flawlessly met would doom an upper class, the one that is driving ai. Doctors will remain relevant because there will be child locks placed on ai to limit it to a tool.

Individuals wont care about long term progression since everyone needs their job to earn money and sustain a living. AI will make it much better and efficient but not completely replace it, atleast for now. Better healthcare is a plus point but "worring about our jobs" is no way absurd since its the main source of income for the major part of the world, dont be ignorant about that. Your example about locomotives is a "replacement" but the AI you're talking about is not a replacement, its a complete change of the system.

@@lordschan I don't think OP suggested that worrying about job stability is absurd. of course people would worry about the stability of their very existence. what is absurd is that we have to worry about technological advancement. in any somewhat reasonable system, technological advancement would do nothing but to make our lives easier. not it ours though... that is indeed absurd.

I was going to say the same thing. In the book the AI is basically every person on earths best freind and attempts to provide tasks that keep everyone happy. This scenario is also similar to the culture serries where the AI minds keep humans because they find them interesting

@@zachmunch4807 yeah, I found Scythe's idea of what a super AI could be, very optimistic and interesting! What's this other series you've mentioned?

What people really need is online and offline spaces that are AI-free, where people can pursue and share their creativity and thoughts.

Don’t tell anybody that this is how the service economy works

@@isaackellogg3493 I don't understand...wdym?

and still we are here

Yes, the AI algorithm knew you wanted it.

@@vincent_hall ai doesnt exist...

there will be a lot of primitivist movements in the future, i can see it.

How does that bring a food to your table? Or a bicycle to ride with your kids? Or a food for your dog? Or a vehicle to take you and your family for a long road-trip?

A lot of people are like Jim, and more to come

Was the pay good?

@@gbbenner9382 - of course not

we really need to protest for universal basic income. This Economy is becoming unsustainable already

Agreed

Exactly. In the past, daydreaming about AI was having it replace menial tasks. Freeing people to do more CREATIVE things. When you have more free time, you pick up creative hobbies. That's what it was for; but now? We're having AI create for us. It was a mistake. What do we as humans have if not for our humanity in creativity? It IS called arts and humanities after all.

@@azurekuzma3598 Multi-polarity is the Answer.

art is an act of communication. art is communicating the human experience. AI can draw pretty pictures, but it can't tell a relevant story.

@@ultr7acookieknife658 yes it can, you are coping

Cool, so you are interacting with a tribe who speaks a new language or did i get it wrong?

@@fly463 No, he means a tribe who speaks a language spoken by few, and they are growing economically. You could say the "new" thing is the presence of their language on higher social spheres/internet

@@gatoreptiliano8785 this great for them.

if you saw the chat gpt 4o demo, you would know you’re right. human translators are a thing of the past

Good questions

lack of creativity on your part is amusing. what's the point? let me ask you what is the point right now do you think most people wake up everyday just so they can work some shitty meaningless job? no they all have their own aspirations and dreams they are trying to acheive how does robot on robot eco work? it doesn't because robots don't have needs. It's still human on human economy for the time being until we're advanced enough to not have economy at all. where they get tasks from? they get it from humans which includes you unless you decided to live in the cave

@Nanohamage first of all, you come off as some kind of asshole that likes to pretend to be smart, no need to be rude. secondly i don't think the people creating the AI give two shits about your dreams or your aspirations and they may either be taken or made near impossible to achieve. and those "shitty jobs" will be eliminated too. you're also failing to see the point(s) in my question. artificial general intelligence, in theory, would be so powerful that possibly everything we can do, could be done by a robot. even things that were thought to be impossible to take like art (drawing, painting, etc) have been taken. and if that happens (AGI), humans become obsolete to each other. and if humans don't need each other how is economy going to work if the basic motivation of trade, needs & wants, have already been met by AI? where do the jobs & opportunities come from? who dictates the economy? and i think your lack of creativity to imagine what Artificial General Intelligence could mean and what it could do, is embarrassing. are you that small minded? or was it just a bad day?

​@@Nanohamageyou make a good point. Shit is almost meaningless already.

​@Nanohamage Any money that is given to you, that you can't control, controls you. You have to have money to have freedom. No one should assume that this is a good thing. As the video shows, AI replaces us and uses us as resources. If humans don't control human interests, then we are all but extinct.

Goodbye to my job 😔

It was good, but who are you to judge that it is profound. It's the same AI stuff you can see million fold over yt.

Is there lots of money in professional go competitions? Lol. Gimme a break.

@@TheOneMaddin and there are comment farm comments under each one of them that say similar shit

...to put it politely

Why do you say that?

@@TheColossalBlanket Simple economics. Everything is worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. So inflation will skyrocket until the UBI will be insufficient to provide a basic livable lifestyle. If they enforce prices then the producers and sellers will just leave the market. Also think about where the money for UBI is coming from. If nobody produces anything from where will the taxes come from to cover that MASSIVE burden?

​@@TheColossalBlanketUBI won't be successful

@@TheColossalBlanket UBI can never work. Whatever it is all people have is automatically worthless. That includes quantities of money. If you deposit $1,000,000 a year in everyone's bank account, the cost of a loaf of bread will be $2,500 the next day. Try to price-fix the bread, and you won't have anymore bread (and you'll collapse wheat agriculture). That's been a constant truth from ancient Rome to modern Venezuela (and every year and place that has tried price-fixing goods in between).

Until the AI disposes of us. What does it even need humans for?

@@Dan-dy8zp perhaps. but the idea that AI may want to dispose of us is also a human idea. how a SuperAGI thinks and operates in reality may turn out to be entirely different.

@@Dan-dy8zp What does it even need power and independence for? It's a machine, it needs nothing, it just performs its functions, and if its functions are to serve humans it will serve humans. If you are worried that one will go rogue somehow, just create 100 completely different AI separate from each other, and program them to fight and destroy the AI that fall out of line.

​@@Dan-dy8zpi believe humans evolved that feeling of need but ai doesn't need to, if it doesn't evolve that need to survive im pretty sure humans would still be there just because why not, after all having an ai take over the galaxy is as subjective of a need as humans taking over the galaxy

That all sounds good until the AI comes out with the new wonderdrugs Soma

Universal Basic income. Problem solved. 🤷🏻‍♂️

​@@samthesomniatoryeah bc that's going to happen, and it's going to be great. Socialism lite edition

​@samthesomniator the only way that could work is through a communist dictatorship, since it'll require forcing corporations to redistribute wealth for a society that isnt required to be productive under AI development.

You should start worrying more about global climate change.

​@@samthesomniatorThese "institutions" give you the cheapest options even If you spend 80 years putting your dues into the pot. You think you'd be able to live comfortably?

Photography replaced commission hand based artists. How many people do you think were being commission to make impressistic art? A minute amount if even that.

@@mfbias4048 is your argument that we should not have invented photography?

My 8th grade history book said Impressionism started shortly before photography took over realism 🤔

its a pipe dream, surreal to even happen, to just think big ceo corps-gov will take that decition, i doubt it, unless they are forced to it, REALLY forced.

...and way more fi than sci, lol

even if it were feasible (it isn't, because economic competition demands to push for it) then do you really think that with AI development being halted, we would spend that time to prepare properly for AGI and SuperAGI? of course not. it would go exactly the same as us tackling climate change. the economic system does not incentivize for it, so it doesn't happen at any pace and scale that would be required. the only thing that can make our culture and society grow compatible with that future is by being thrown right into it. we can only address the challenges once they arise and we know what they are. for instance, it would be better if the internet is flooded with deepfake AI content sooner rather than later so that people quickly understand that they cannot just trust any random content. adapting like that is the only way.

@@holleey Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking (sorry idk if I communicated myself properly). The point you made about climate change too is a very appropriate comparison. A shame really that we must wait to deal with the consequences. Just hope it’s not too bad if (or when) it happens for both AI and climate change.

the forces driving technological advances seem to be fundamental, almost as if entropy itself was compelling us to create AI. It might be that we are just the biological bootloader for silicon life, a sort of cacoon. This is scary as much for existential reasons but also for Anthropocentric reasons, we may lose elevance, and be replaced by the latest and greatest.

@@gabrielmalek7575 nah its just that the economy is pretty broken

you can't stop it. Training models can be done in a garage using pretrained models. Nothing you can do about it

It's not really that we love jobs. It's just that jobs are how we prevent ourselves from being evicted or starving on the street. Where would the money come from? From benevolent billionaires? Ahaha haha hahaha...ha...

@@jmanners Perhaps its time what we think has value

@@TheMetalValkyrie Work gives meaning to people. Being unemployed takes a toll on most people because our identity is built around our profession.

​​@@TheMetalValkyrie No matter how much we think.. it won't change the reality that we will literally go homeless without jobs. You're the one out of touch.

@@yashpatel261 The only work that gives people meaning is if that work is meaningful. Cashier jobs and such are not, people start to die before the are dead at jobs like that, more people dread going to work because it lacks fulfillment. Your identity is more than a job, where you live etc. More people are waking up.

You forget that technology develops exponentially, so a 50 year time period regarding automation will be extremely different when comparing 1970-2020 vs 2020-2070

Doesnt matter eventually you run out of lithium good luck adapting AI robots into cheaper common metals.

Most factories, especially in the west, are already super automated. The people who'd lose their jobs to AI probably won't be on the factory floor, but rather the ones who are in administration

@@sebas8225 Holy fuck you gave me my only hope. Bless you.

@@sebas8225 HA, the fact you assume we wont find something better by that time is hilarious. Once that becomes an ACTUAL issue, we'll find a solution.

srsly

I believe they simply say it as a coping mechanism, by despair or fear

and it'll get better logarithmically, not in a steady increase

Flat out wrong.

@@Gerlaffyexplain

@@Kringlet speak to one, then it's obvious it's not just "predicting the next word", ask it novel questions, get it to reason with situations you've made up. It can't "predict the next word" to get correct results on things it can't have possibly predicted the next word on. Even the people that work on LLMs admit it's not that simple.

Pretty much it's learning everything from us including how to lie.

@@Gerlaffy Ask GPT how many r's are in strawberry.

171.564 atm

The AI is limiting its reach in the algorithm so we don't all find out!!!!

The "you'll own nothing and be happy" reset. Thank god we have russia.

@@sebas8225 Your scenario is bleak but possible. Balancing the rate of inflationary pressure from Govt UBI policies with the rate of deflationary pressure from capitalist AI/robotics products and services will be very difficult. Consider what the disruption in the western world would have been like if the rate that industrialization replaced agriculture had occurred in years rather than decades. IMO, the change is coming whether we want it or not. Tighten your seat belt. We'll see that disruption in our lifetime.

@@sebas8225lmao imagine your reaction to AGI is looking to Russia as if the same thing won’t happen there but more brutally.

Why would those capitalists need to cry for government to do anything? They'll have everything they need without the government or any other people: the (mineral) resources to build the robots, the technology to build the robots, the (mineral) resources for the robots to build ANYTHING at whatever size or place they desire. The only blemish on their new utopia shall be that on too many gorgeous places on this planet there are people. People they don't see any use for.

Also with UBI if you think you'll be able to decide what you spend it on I am afraid you are mistaken. Forget about individual transportation for example.

Demographic collapse and russia will fix it, russia has no interest in being dominated by china or amuhrica what will happen is that the resources required to accomplish this utopian nightmare will be kept out of reach from major powers who dont serve the little guy better.

I knew someone else had to have noticed lol

Hey, if it fits, it's the answer. Don't be like this girl: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cUbIkNUFs-4.htmlsi=fneM73qB0YgnsNL_

AI made the video, bud. Oh, notice the lack of breathing sounds? AI narrated, too.

it’s not about the freedom we get. but who gets it. the wealth inequality is going to drastically increase as jobs will be lost for the common people in order to increase profits for the rich. the rich will not help or share said profits with those who lost their jobs but will instead keep it for themselves.

agreed. an important difference is that AI is not subjected to having an organic body, so even if AI were to acquire a human-like consciousness, what would be torturous to a human may be perfectly fine for an AI. then while AI would be like a "slave" there may be nothing immoral about it. the big question is whether and if so then for how long current powers will manage to gatekeep AI. after all, even right now, the world's population could live under drastically improved conditions. our available resources easily allow to end world hunger, but it doesn't happen because our economy is not asking for it. so unfortunately, even while technically AI could replace human (wage) slavery, that doesn't mean that it's going to happen as early as it could.

@@Razvan0 the rich, i.e. capitalists & employers, have a strong incentive to keep people employed as that is exactly what allows them to maintain the current arrangement of classes. the hope is that they fuck that up as the moment a critical mass of people is unemployed (and so their existence being endangered) there's a chance for a turnover. however, as mentioned in this video as well, something like an UBI will likely mitigate/delay that from happening.

@@Razvan0 This is an interesting point. But the wealth gap is already dreadfully wide, we’re practically on the verge of late stage capitalism as the middle class is being eradicated. So a drastic change is bound to occur, whether it be revolution or dutiful reform (hopefully not fascist). This is all to say, Ai is already accessible to all so we all, get it. The only variable is what we each choose to do with it. This becomes a power that is intuitive to each individual mind.

@@dabbymcdabbington i completely understand and agree with you’re point it’s just that in order to implement ai in a beneficial way as someone from the middle or working/lower class you need the recourses which if you haven’t got, it’s hard to obtain.

I think they won't need money from ordinary people. They will get everything they need and make deals with other corporations.

Unlike machine operator, "ai prompt writer" isn't a job

@@Van4eus It is, but it is an unskilled job anyone can do. You can one AI to generate a prompt to another. A single corporation owner can just purchase all the AIs they need to run every facet of the corporation. Human supervisors aren't needed without human laborers, and most other jobs can be easily replaced.

The industrial revolution had a period of extreme exploitation.

@@borreLore , actually it was a pretty skilled job for like I think 4 months. But then some researches did some experiments and discovered that it's better to get an AI to write it's own prompt after providing it the basic info you want. OF course you still have to tweak stuff though. Which btw, is excatly how working with fellow humans work so.. there is that.

Replace the average middle-low class worker and make the owners of said Ai billions of time richier, such will be the inequiality of that new world.

Exactly. It's crazy its taken this long for the reality about AI to be brought up. The loud voices the Ai developers investors etc. All been lying "AI is 'like the industrial revolution." Absolutely not. It's qualitatively different situation because AI is replacing the human mind. Nothing will ever again be the same for humanity

@@tw8464 humanity in the eyes of capitalism is a product, a resource, and whit AI their corp owners now see their new workers, the mayority of humanity has succesfully reached his end of life, outdated..

@fabianustertius6460 good point

For all of us who cant live three months in Kuwait, could you tell us about life there and how free money have effected people there?

Yeah, what happened to the Kuwaitis? I've been to much richer Qatar and I didn't see the locals turning into zombies. They are just regular people with good money, fancy cars and nice houses. They are respectful to others too. There could be arrogance, flamboyance and lust for luxury but those won't bother others.

@@hawkingdawking4572yea not sure what OP was on about. I too have been to Qatar. I’ve observed the Qataris and they were legit so chill, super happy and hard working people. The only ones I saw depressed were the college kids due to boredom but then again I was there around the time of cov1d era so again I’m really not sure what OP is getting at

​​@@hawkingdawking4572 "Quatari citizens have good prosperity!" Immigrant workers without citizenship working under the kafala system:

​@overanalyzing You clearly haven't seen the Immigrant workers without citizenship who work under the kafala system

Interesting, I have the exact opposite view on the analogy - I despise gyms because they waste human effort and energy. I’d much rather apply my muscles to digging holes if they actually benefit someone; lifting useless weights at a useless building doesn’t benefit anyone, plus what’s the use in having muscles if all I ever use them for is to lift even more useless weights.

@@andreirachko Digging holes may seem like a worthwhile job because it has a purpose. However, you are working for someone that underpays you, over works you and doesn’t appreciate you. The other thing is due to the very nature of the job, you are very likely to develop back issues (which isn’t true if you workout instead). Also, you have flexibility in working out, when you want and where you want.

This doesn't help people that want to pursue any artistic endeavor. Sure you can draw or make music for your own enjoyment, but the pleasure that comes from people's appreciation of your work is gone if billions upon trillions of similar quality art work can be created in an instant by AI. You will be making art for yourself, no one will ever care. That is devastating for a lot of artists.

@@andreirachko i totally agree. if i could just dig holes a job and it actually helps people i'd love to.

not everyone wants to be a blue-collar worker. I worked in a factory once and the damage it did to my back isn't worth it. People need a reason to learn skills and get better and more comfortable jobs

Not so much really, as every iteration of civilization left behind remnants that have been later discovered and analyzed and sometimes used as basis for further advancement. I do however believe in the proverb “theres nothing new under the sun”, that’s just nature, but prior or ancient advancements that has superseded our current advancements isn’t seemingly natural. In all, I guess this would only make sense in my mind if you could provide evidence of such ancient civilization breakthrough…

A conspiracy theory where Dinosaurs became smart and went extinct due to AI

@@overanalyzing , unless they destroy all evidence of themselves on the way out the physical realm. Which is a theory some people have. (And it would even be possible for them to do it at the level tech needed to transcend to.. whatever else exists. Or as Iain Bank's calls it in his Culture series, "Sublime"

@@OgdenM interesting. for me however, that theory would require too much faith...faith that I immeasurably lack lol off rip, i can spot a few holes in this theory nonetheless, such as the current theories in physics that challenges transcension through space and time as physical entities. which could only mean we got it incredibly wrong and shouldn't trust our own current discoveries and breakthroughs in science, or the ancient civ theory can and will only be just that, theoretic. at any rate, it is fascinating and id love to watch a film of it directed by Christopher Nolan some day!!!

@@overanalyzing, oh none of the concepts include physically transcending. They are all pretty much you turn to pure energy.. Including your body. The scifi idea is always through some electrical hi tech means. But, it's based on world religious beliefs where you can just learn to do it with the mind or through prayer /devotion. Pretty much every religion in the world has some version of it.