Want to see what a movie looks like when it’s shot and displayed at a high frame rate intentionally? Gemini Man was famously shot at a higher frame rate than normal, and it played in some theaters at 120 frames a second. Online, you can find clips of the 60 FPS version, like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vX2vsvdq8nw.html
I use to be outraged by the over-sharpening of images on my parents TV when I understood that their vision was simply not great and that those halos around edges was what they needed for the image to *feel* sharp at a distance, so I gave up.
That doesn't make sense. An over sharpened image does not appear sharper to someone who can't make out the difference. I guess your comment makes sense if the oversharpening is something they cannot perceive due to vision problems.
Cool, now do one about how the poor quality of built-in speakers in modern TVs has caused a drastic rise in the use of subtitles because everything is an unintelligible mess.
@@kaylanotsmiley7006 I have higher quality sound equipment and it's still absolute trash to try to listen to. Dialogue is still so hard to hear and then I'm afraid of waking up the kids when any action sound happens.
@@DeathRoadVolMU If you’re lucky your AV receiver might have a limiter you can set which automatically reduces the volume over a certain threshold. You will lose sound dynamics but gain in quietude.
I can vouch for sonos equipment. They have a speech mode and night mode for exactly this. Crystal clear and levels the sound very naturally. Sounds great when you want it to
Who ever used builtin speakers in earnest? An amp and a couple of speakers are like $20 at a thrift store, you can get an OK soundbar for a few hundred, or get a decent audio setup at about half the price of whatever TV you have.
This is sooo good! I really hate how TVs ruin the look of content, so a filmmaker mode is something I desperately want! Now if only they could stop ruining computer mouse input as well
@gary oak that’s only going to get you ball park. Every single panel is different. Buy 2 of exactly the same tv and input the exact same settings, calibrate them and I bet you they will have different values.
Clearly some of these are over brightened but the trend of everything being so dark it’s downright impossible to see what the heck is going on has got do be the driver for this. Sound is the same. I’m constantly having to adjust my settings between things that are recorded so you can actually hear the dialogue and things where the effects and music are 10x louder than the dialogue.
I know, Some films are just to dark to see even with every curtain in the house shut, in the middle of the night, I have to turn my brightness up, just to see whats happening.
@@TCJones most movies are designed for theaters. In a movie theater, the actual projector is incredibly bright. Brightness and contrast are different things. go ahead and turn up the brightness your screen actually displays at, but the contrast (which tv's like to call "brightness") "should" be unchanged
Ironically, you just completely proved the point the video was getting at. The reason you're complaining about things being too dark and the sound being too variable is because you're not using the correct screen or audio setup for what you're watching. Your screen likely doesn't have enough dynamic range to show what the filmmakers intended. The sound is interesting - most movies are mastered for Dolby 7.1 surround sound. This means that there will very likely be an entire speaker, at the minimum, dedicated to the dialogue. You're probably playing sound out of stereo speakers, while still having some "surround" setting turned on - this means 7 tracks of audio are getting crushed into two, and obviously quiet things won't be able to beat the loud things.
When I was visiting my parents over the summer, we watched a movie on their television and it looked absolutely horrible. It was so bad that I had to stop a few minutes in and look through the settings until I found a way to turn off the adjustments. My parents had somehow never been fussed by it, but when we started playing the film again the way it was supposed to be shown, my mom said, "Oh, wow, I see what you mean."
I’ve had this exact same experience. “Wow, you can actually see the hairs on their face and the weave of their clothes!” Adjusting the colour balance so the sky and grass wasn’t neon was important too.
So it’s not genetic-but more likely generational. Like working at a video store in the 90s trying to explain the concept of widescreen to older people.
I don't understand how folks go to movies in the theater and then notice no difference on TV motion smoothing. I feel like I'm in la-la land sometimes.
TV's should definitely tackle the sound of movies better... I absolutely understand that the best way to view a movie is with a proper speaker setup, but most people can't afford that or don't even know how to do it. TV's have speakers right out the box and they should account for making a movie sound properly. Usually I have to either suffer though really loud music in order to hear what people are saying in a dialogue or turn on the subtitles and never really hear what they say.
Yes, I am unable to use an expensive sound system because the subwoofer carries through to the apartment below me, so I can only use a stereo sound bar. I very frequently have to adjust the volume because dialogue is super quiet and then action scenes have insanely loud music.
I recently saw someone suggest that Blu rays or digital content have different audio tracks for different settings, so that you wouldn't have to watch a movie with a remote and turn it up and down in between action and dialogue.
Look for settings like Night Mode, News Mode, or Compression. These will typically reduce the difference between the loudest parts and quietest parts. It’s often called night mode because it makes it so you can turn the volume down and still hear the dialog.
Might be an OLED screen. My Samsung cell phone and tablets with their OLED are the absolute best for ANY type of video viewing. Most lower end TV, including most Apple products are a disappointment due to their lack of OLED screen technology. It's really a more premium video technology that should in the discussion because it provides more optimum contrast depth without washing out the white portions of the video. The black portions of the screen are really black, as the film producers intended.
This is one of the best videos I've seen on this subject. I want to see what the director intended not some oversaturated, over bright, over blown picture. For me it ruins the movie watching experience. So on my LG C1 I set it to Filmmaker mode and that's it and it's been that way ever since I bought it last March. Great video and thanks a million for posting.
I got too tired to explain this to people or complain about TV settings. You are always the odd one if you do this, even if you offer to fix it. Now that these videos are coming out from public figures I hope people finally adopt it. Unfortunately there is still the type of people that insist: "The higher frame rate the better. The directors intention doesn't matter. What matters is fluid motion." Especially for animation, where sometimes it is supposed to be choppy to have a greater impact. And interpolation can simply not draw inbetween animation with intention.
Interpolation being bad aside, there's also the argument about 24 fps vs native 60+ fps footage having a completely different feel. At 24 the motion is reasonably smooth and going higher you lose the cinema feel that has been intentionally kept through decades of evolution of film production. Smoother motion beyond a point is not strictly better, only different.
@@frankthetankricard In the same vein, it's not strictly _worse,_ either. I feel that some are returning to cinema gatekeeping when they say so. Art is subjective.
me be the one who cares about PQ but don't mind the interpolation if it's not too severe. I in fact sometimes prefer the more fluid look than the choppy nature of 24hz (I know, I know). Edit: I'd also like to add that I grew up with home video and CRT TVs for watching most of movies. Very few cinema sessions. As such for me 24fps doesn't have any particular feel, it just feels juddery. Goes to show that a big part of the 24fps argument is just pure nostalgia/we are used to it. And to go against the argument of "you wouldn't change a chef's creation", I absolutely would! if I don't like the taste of a food I order, I'm self conscious enough to adjust it to my liking without prejudice... 😅 And finally, there is some merit to the default setting of TVs, most people don't watch movies in light controlled rooms. A lot of dark scenes look horrible during daylight with lots of reflection. If default is cinema mode, a lot of TVs will get returned for has PQ. Sometimes we have to put our snobbery aside and understand most people simply don't care about intention of director and just want to watch their movies and enjoy them.
I understand what you mean, I'm on the same boat, but I still make my movies 60fps either through AI or interpolation cause I like it that way, that's it, I like them looking like real life.
Its also worthwhile to note (that wasnt really in this video) is that TV has wildly different hardware than film/projector setup like in a theatre. TVs are backlit (often from multiple places on the screen) which makes things like contrast, saturation, and overall dark colors difficult to match. Motionblur/smoothing is one thing, but many of the color setting talked about cannot be fully fixed.
Some TVs also have a “game” mode that will turn off some of these features to improve latency. It’s designed for video games, but can also be useful here.
I'm pretty sure this mode will increase saturation and contrast. Which is helpful in a game to decipher individual elements but is still different from how the director mastered the film.
@@waxywabbit1247 Actually it does the opposite. It'll turn off every single processing features that may interfere with latency and, at least on my TV, makes the picture look dimmer and less saturated. What I'm guessing is that it's done so that you can control the brightness and saturation to the game/console itself (a lot of games have brightness/saturation settings after all).
Thank youuu! I've been trying to understand why this happens for such a long time. I knew something was off, it was basically like watching every single movie as if it were shot by a youtuber. Somehow the magic of cinema had been ripped off of movies and I couldn't figure out why because I didn't even know how to describe it.
A lot of people are aware of these things, but we are scared to mess with the settings because we don't fully understand all of them and don't want to mess it up “permanently”. 😅 Changing settings for every movie or tv show can be daunting.
Who needs or wants to change settings for every movie or TV show? That's not a realistic scenario. All we want is the standard to be presented in the way the show maker meant as much as feasible. TV makers can do this, but they just aren't.
Every friend and realative's house i've gone to in the last 10 years have had smoothing turned on, and I always ask if I can adjust their settings. I'm really thankful for this video. More people need to realize how modern TVs are ruining movies.
@@bbloomfield6497 15 years ago I was definitely a child but I’m not one now - I’m 20. which is still super young of course but not a child haha. I initially agreed with you though because I thought this technology was younger.
One thing to note on image smoothing. It's a problem. However, slow panning shots that look great on IMAX at 24 fps look awefull on sample and hold screens. And considering all modern tv's are sample and hold it's a problem. Image smoothing *does* make those specific shots better
I'd argue that they often look awful in the cinema as well. Especially noticeable on horizontal camera movements, especially if you sit in the first 3-4 rows
More people need to be talking about this! Maintaining that long established 24fps footage is NOT the best way for the industry to proceed given how much of that content will be viewed on screens that simply look awful at that framerate. With these sample and hold screens, content should be getting shot at 60fps.
@@The124cbr it's not that simple unfortunately as in videogames for example. First of all we've used to 24 and many people hate the "soap opera effect" even if picture is much clearer at higher framerates. Remember that Hobbit was shot at 48 fps and many didn't appreciate the looks
It's all good, but i had to disable the "Filmakers mode" in order to actually see the movie. Unless the room is totally pitch black, on some movies you just see a black screen with some smudges on any low light scene. How about film directors edit the films thinking on the conditions they will be seen, not as if everyone sees them on cinemas? I had to remove the Filmakers mode while seeing "Sandman" on Netflix, a production that will NEVER be seen on a cinema... why are they editing it as if that was the case?
@@Carewolf exactly this. So long as it’s actual brightness (how much power is going to the backlight or the LEDs) vs adjusting the content itself to appear brighter, that’s pretty much the only setting we need control over.
@@stephengris2988 It needs to boost the brightness of the rendered colors to work right, but it just shouldn't do it in a way that changes saturation or hue.
As a video editor, it is shocking to me that TVs can just add frames that were not in the final edit. Frame rate is super important, creatively, and it should not be messed with in the same way the sound should not be messed with.
Why shouldn't I? I have the freedom to watch the movies I bought however I want. After all, isn't art subjective? What you think is super important might not be as important to some other people.
As a content creator and professional artist, I think it’s important to know how to view the original intent but it’s equally important to give the one paying for art the ability to enjoy it however they please and indulge their own preferences. 24fps was not a “creative” decision, it was a practical one based on the lowest common denominator to make it look passable and to keep costs down, particularity with cg heavy films…to me it looks like a stuttery mess after getting used to motion smoothing turned up halfway on a set known for being the best at handling motion blur
@@mstyles2182 it is a creative decision today though as you could very easily release a movie with a higher frame rate (especially on a streaming platform), however aside from a few experiments pretty much no one opts to since it looks subjectively worse and audiences complain about it.
@@aruak321 the issue isn’t how easily it can be “released”, it’s that it can’t easily be created when taking into account all the post processing and extra CG frames that would need to be rendered. You would also need to have a higher bit rate for data transfer and make sure your servers and enough of your customer’s internet speeds are fast enough to handle it to make it financially feasible…
@@pappo666 game console users want to use Game Mode - the mode with 0 enchancements. Otherwise player feels a huge input lag created by post processing of game frames.
@@TerryLondon But game mode change colors in bad way. This is mode to fast switch between colors of pixels. Its built to avoid black2black, and use gray2gray - it decrease input lag, but cost quality of picture. Its is important for games, but terrible for movies.
Thank you for tackling this subject. I swear there are TVs where it's impossible to turn off all the motion smoothing and dynamic contrast. I wish you had shown more examples though, as most people don't seem to notice how bad it ruins the experience.
not changing the visuals from what the director intended is all well and good , but if there is a TV setting to up the dialog volume compared to background sounds in a Nolan movie, i'm all for it! (Edit: Without having to read the entire movie from subs! Man why should I have to, for a language I already understand?)
HA! Never gonna happen, but a great idea. It is feasible though, they are on separate tracks, as is the music, so if your system has that capability...
Use a home theater system, movies with sound mixed in 5.1, 7.1 and Atmos, mostly likely will have the dialogue coming from the center channel speaker, you can turn down the level for all the other speakers so you can have the dialogue coming out louder than the music and sound effects
The examples shown here are a pretty bad look for TVs, though I will add one asterisk to the notion of "the director's vision": there are _some_ cases where the director is just wrong. I notice this mostly in audio, where for some movies I have to be actively futzing with the volume for the entire dang movie, 'cause if you set the volume so you can hear the dialogue, then the action scenes are deafening, and vice versa.
It's also great for live event programs like concerts and comedy shows or Nat Geo and Discovery stuff. But like they said the software just isn't ready yet to not produce artifacts 🥺
It's really confusing to see everyone taking a dump on interpolation when 60Hz TVs and monitors technically can not recreate 24fps (much less 23.967fps), and the motion just ends up being uneven and choppy because it periodically has to show the same image for longer to sync up the screen refresh rate to the movie. Coming from gaming where we now laugh at 30fps and hearing this video just say "we're not used to it, so it shouldn't exist" doesn't make much sense to me. I understand 60 fps out of the studios would require a lot more money and effort, so wishing for that is a lost cause, but saying you shouldn't try to mask the obvious incompatibility between content and device without offering a better solution is not gonna work. I agree that there should be a way to make the TV show everything truly 1:1, and I did calibrate my sets the best I could for true color, gamma and contrast(I especially hate dynamic contrast when the brightness changes every time I open the menu, so it's for sure doing some shenanigans it shouldn't). That being said, motion interpolation is an imperfect solution to a real problem. P.S. I have no problem with 24fps in cinemas
Thank you for making this! More people need to know and care about this. TV manufacturers are basically ruining art. The filmmakers are artists and it's like a museum deciding to show art behind some rainbow film glass and you have to constantly keep peeling it off.
This explains so much! I was watching a show with a lot of action scenes and couldnt shake the feeling that there were a ton of distortions. Now i know.
For anyone wondering how to get the best image quality out of your set without having to spend money on professional calibration (or equipment to do it yourself), the general rule of thumb is to set your picture mode to whatever your TV's equivalent of the "Film" preset is (film, movie, cinema, etc.), turn off all enhancements, anything related to motion or "smoothing," set the color temperature to whatever the warmest setting is (if it isn't already; most film modes do this by default) and turn the sharpness down to 0 (again, if it isn't already). If you have a newer, higher-end display, it may have a "Filmmaker Mode" or ISF presets (the ones on my LG CX are lebaled as "ISF Dark Room" and "ISF Bright Room." These are generally the most accurate presets you can get, so they're your best bet if image quality and accuracy is of prime importance to you.
This problem really needs to be addressed more often. Filmmaker-mode is relatively new, and while it is awesome on tvs that have it, it is not the end of the story. Firstly, most people never bother to look into the settings at all, figuring the manufacturer has pre-set the display optimally, and for this reason I think filmmaker modes should be the default setting. Worse, tvs like the samsung in this video use still have sharpening on by default, and even have an "eco brightness" mode which automatically adjusts brightness based on ambient room lighting. Really, manufacturers know how to optimally tune their products, but instead juice up colors and motion to better sell at big box stores like best buy, where all consumers see is brightness, color, and contrast, with little to no regard for accuracy.
Even though I love my LG OLED, the fact that it took 30 minutes to edit the settings to get a true cinema image is a joke. I know manufactures are adding film maker modes, but even they need a few edits to get it great.
True. And they forgot to mention that on content not mastered with Filmmaker Mode metadata, it reverts back to Standard (or whatever mode the tv was on before). So you should really calibrate your SDR, HDR, and Filmmaker Mode profiles so that you keep the best picture on all content.
It's so good to see I'm not alone! When motion smoothing started to be a thing there often was no way to turn it off and because a lot of people didn't complain I was worried we would be stuck with it forever. But there's hope...
What’s really infuriating is that when I go to a friends house and they haven’t turned the motion smoothing setting off and so I do it for them and they say they can’t see any difference. How do you not see the un-natural and creepy way that the people in your favourite movie are moving?!
To me, the answer to that is simple. Some people just can't make a distinction. LOL! Everyone is different. It's the same for audio. I know people who couldn't tell you the difference between analog and digital, or a .mp3 from a .wav file if their life depended on it. For some, it's just not that deep. It's more about enjoying a thing, and not caring about other intricate parts of it. Because of this, I have learned to be more tolerant of others, and consider some things from their perspective.
LOL I watched "The Fellowship of the Ring" on my parents' new tv, and it looked like a bunch of nerds LARPing😂. I'm gonna mess around with these settings when i go back to their house.
Same thing applies to music. Audio engineers spend a huge amount of time mastering music just for you to crank up the bass in your cars EQ settings. Unless you know your specific speakers frequency response, I always leave my EQ’s at noon
I frequently have this problem. So I have to adjust my projector constantly because it ends up being either so dark you can't see a thing or so washed out you can't see a thing.
I'm not a fan of watching just about anything at a lot people's houses anymore. It's maddening how many ppl just accept the the really bad default settings designed to make their set look the brightest and clearest sitting on a retail store's wall under the bright glare of fluorescent lights. I have ended up getting a lot of compliments from guests that for some reason they enjoy watching movies more at my place. The first thing I do is turn off all the motion blurring and tone down all the "torch" mode color settings.
At the same time, there’s a discussion to be had in regards to whether people have to consume content as the creator intended or consume what they find is their best experience. I think choice and making all choices easily available to the average person is the best path, which is sort of what the tv manufacturers did when creating different display modes
You can't consume it as it was intended anyway (unless you have the same professional monitor it was used for producing it) so you may just watch the way you enjoy it...
@@Beregorn88 Right. If the movie's any good, it really won't matter that much how you watch it. And once you share your art it's no longer entirely up to you how that art will be consumed or interpreted.
@@TheRockinDonkey The tricky part is, that people will watch your Art on the worst monitor they could find and then afterwards complain about the filmmaker for the bad visual quality...
This "chef" analogy also works with "loudness war", today music is so dynamic compressed that it doesn't matter from where you get your music from, someone decided that a super loud music is good even though the original recording doesn't sound like that at all.
I personally prefer the over contrasted look on my TV even though I'm well aware it is not the intended look. It's good to be aware of all your options but ultimately it's your TV so put it on whatever mode you like the most.
My 2012 flagship Panasonic Plasma is set to THX cinema mode, with sharpness dropped to zero all filtering and frame creating switched off and 24hz mode and pure direct image mode switched on. The image looks like a film projector, get the 24p character and solid grain visibly displayed. Also make sure all filtering and frame creation is switched off in bluray player settings too.
I've been trying to tell people about the motion smoothing problem for a LONG time, and there was no information at all about the issue or about how to solve it, finally they are doing something about it.
Now while it IS an absolute PLAGUE for any scripted content, motion smoothing frame interpolation features DO have their legitimate use cases! (Mostly for sports & other fast non-fiction content). It's not just bad tech for the sake of being bad tech as many think! For super high speed 60Hz/fps broadcasted sports like tennis, motion frame interpolation can SIGNIFICANTLY help with ball movement smoothness + stability & thus visibility + tracking for example.
I always turn off the motion interpolation by default. Meanwhile, my parents can't even tell the difference between 60Hz and 30Hz so interpolation means absolutely nothing to them.
it truly blows my mind how people can't tell. you know most people can't tell that their new pro iphone has a screen with double the refresh rate either
@@walmanthegreat I have, that's why my tastes have refined and I'm not content with whatever I'm given and I have the means and knowledge to change it. Sounds like it's you who needs growing up.
@@needamuffin it really depends on the person. if the can't tell how much does it REALLY matter? if they like it well then there you go. if I spent $5K on a tv and couldn't turn it off then I'd actually be mad kind of related, I wonder how NVIDIA's DLSS 3.0 compares with frame interpolation on tvs?
I'm a bit of a display snob (mostly for photography work) but I honestly really hope more directors experiment with filming at higher frame rates. As I've gotten used to high refresh rate screens and video, I've noticed that a lot of movies shot at 24fps end up giving me a headache. I'm not sure if it's because of the frame rate itself or motion blur from the slow shutter speed that typically accompanies it. Action scenes where a narrower shutter angle was used tend not to bother me quite as much and frame interpolation actually seems to help as well. Either way, it's been frustrating to notice!
Absolutely. I prefer motion smoothing on. 120 fps or 24. The directors would shoot at 200fps if they had the tech, and didn't get complaints from old fashioned people. It's just not available
If you haven't seen it yet, I'd highly recommend Avatar: Way of water. The movie was filmed with a higher frame rate, and even in 3D, it looked amazing in theatres. Everything was so smooth and gorgeous.
A few years ago I was watching movies with some friends at a sleepover at one of their homes and I noticed the smart TV made the movies almost 60fps artificially. Back then I still had a CRT TV and didn't know exactly about artificial frame rate enhancements but I could feel that the TV is doing something to the footage. Weirdly when I mentioned it to my friends they didn't get it and thought that was the way it should be. For me, it kinda ruined the movie-watching experience.
It hurts my brain to even think of the soap opera effect! The first thing I did when we upgraded to our LG OLED was tweak all the settings and the first was disabling all the motion control settings! Love LG though as it has built in modes like "filmmaker" and there's lots of adjustability in all the modes, but it definitely takes some time and patience.
For me and a few people I know we change the settings to make it look better for our viewing…like how filmmakers have their way of having settings. The view wants to view it their way. For me I keep the smoothing option on, with it off the movie just judders all the time and looks terrible.
I would like to have an advanced tv where movies and shows could have optimal settings codes that the TVs could read and adjust the settings automatically for
For years my friend would have me cat-sit while him and his wife went on vacation. Every single time I'd turn off his motion smoothing "feature" on his TV and every single time he'd apparently notice and turn it back on lol. These days he has it off thankfully; somewhere along the line he must have learned that it's trash.
i remember me and my parents watching a movie at an air bnb - my dad and i were instantly distracted by the motion smoothing but my mum didn’t even notice. to me it stood out like a sore thumb and ruined the experience - it kind of make me feel sick!
Every company has their own word for it, officially it's called a soap opera effect, Sony called it motion flow. I remember seeing it on display with every TV in stores, I don't know why I hated it and everybody else looking at it seemed to agree
I still have my CRT TV and I watch movies from DVD. It is one of the best models from Finlux and I've had it since 2005 when my grandfather died. People got fooled into thinking that CRTs aren't good enough, but for movies and old game consoles they're still great!
@@Paulxl Who said anything about OLEDs? Dude, we can have decent blacks since the times of the last CRTs. Most people don't have anything close to an ideal setting just because they never Google it. There's a bunch of guides on the internet showing how to adjust the basic settings, without even needing any professional measuring equipment neither.
Thanks Vox for the explanation, I always knew there was something wrong when watching a movie on one of those TVs. Part of the reasons why I haven't rushed to buy one.
This is why I watch all my movies on my computer. I work on Photoshop, as a result I had to buy an extremely color accurate monitor and I keep it calibrated on a regular basis. Watching movies on that monitor is just heaven.
I forgot to add: another benefit of a computer is that you can set the output to 48fps. You can't on a console, AppleTV, Chromecast. Most monitors have a accepted range of 48-75fps. With a 24fps signal they stay black with a out-of-range message. If you set the computer to 48fps (47,952Hz to be precise) then the monitor will show each movie frame exactly twice. At 60 Hz (which is 59,94Hz to be precise) you get judder as even frames are shown 3 times, and odd frames 2 times.
Don't get confused. There is a motion smoothing and there is a motion interpolation. Smoothing is simple and it creates the "soup opera" effect. Interpolation is much more complicated and it really improves the quality. Check the SVP project.
hello! the best way i could find of showing a motion smoothing like effect, is simply putting a 24FPS footage inside a 60FPS Premiere Pro timeline and the just selecting in the 'time interpolation' section "Optical Flow"! it looks EXACTLY the same as these TVs! this way you can also pause it and show the art effect clearly!
What if there were a standard shape of metadata that could be provided by studios and read by smart TVs and even theaters? recommendedDeviceSettings: { contrast: 'x%', fps: 30, ... } and so on. This might be a nice way for film creators to suggest settings and devices to either match, or get as close as possible. Lower-end devices might have to make these fixes with artifacts, but the higher end could more accurately reflect how the film was intended to be viewed.
I’m thankful the UHD Alliance is holding these TVs to actual filmmaking standards. I cant stand watching movies on these newer TVs especially when the TV settings keep resetting after I turn the TVs off. When is the Filmmaker Mode Setting becoming available?
About smoothing: all TVs need to add some intermediate frames sinc refresh rates are high. I've enabled motion smoothing since day 1 in my TV. My friends complain about how unnatural is to see a movie with motion smoothed, but I prefer that it makes it look actually more natural.
I fear the day when TV manufacturers stop letting us turn motion smoothing off. It looks absolutely awful and it's the first thing I disable on every TV I get.
Some modern films seem to be consciously designed for auto motion plus / frame interpolation to create an aesthetic that is different from the 24fps of traditional film we know and love. I recently watched Matt Reeve's The Batman and it looked like a video game cut scene. The recent Avatar film looked incredibly hyper real. I rewatched Denis Villeneuve's Arrival, a film I've seen many times and love, with auto motion plus on and it was a whole different experience. It was immersive in a different way. A testament to these amazing filmmakers and cinematographers who are creating these dual experiences. I think it may have to do the focal length, depth of field, and how fast action scenes and certain types of movement are shot. Consumer tastes are shifting with VR and gaming, and that seems to be reflected in how some feature films are being designed. When I tried 2001 A Space Odyssey and Terrence Malick's Days of Heaven both were unwatchable with the setting on.
The TV settings only reflect the needs of the consumer. Filmmakers make movies too dark and hard to see in a room that is not 100% dark, so everybody prefer a setting with more brightness and sharpness.
Actually those settings are designed by the tv manufacturers to help sell tvs in showrooms that have all the wrong lighting to proper watch a tv and are displayed side by side with their competitors. Theses features also provide bullet point features to market you on their tv vs competing ones. It has nothing to do with adding features in response to consumer need but rather to provide a marketing feature that they tell you is better to make their tvs stand out against the competition to increase sales. Every time I visit a new place and see those horrible modes on a tv, I offer the host to fix them. Not once has anyone I’ve done this for said it looked better before with those garbage settings turned on. They all preferred the way movies look without them on.
Yeah I was quite disappointed with my 4k tv at first because of this. So I literally turned off ever enhancement and then went through them 1 by 1 to see if they actually improved the picture. The only thing I have enabled, is HDR upscaling. Basically giving me a higher contrast on non-hdr content. Which looks awesome on Splatoon 2.
It was the cheapest that still allowed for generally smooth motion at the time, and we haven't changed that standard ever because of the huge inertia of both the industry and consumers even though technology and content have changed drastically since.
TV manufacturers aren't doing that just to take liberties or play filmmaker, they do that to try to compensate for the TV's limitations. They know that TVs aren't going to look the same as the source, so they try to accommodate them by making adjustments to get close. You might say they should just make the default work properly with no adjustments, but then TV studios would complain that the results look wrong and require a TV-mode setting or camera-manufacturers would demand a camera-mode setting to reproduce what you think you're recording in your home-movies. The problem is that there are a lot of different kinds of video and they're all different, so TVs can't default to showing them all correctly; one way or another, you'll need mode settings.
That is so obviously not true that I almost cannot believe that you are serious. Faking 60fps when the movie is in 24fps has absolutely nothing to do with the limitations of a TV. Every cinema in the world would play the movie in 24fps.
@@LutraLovegood I have worked in several cinemas in projection, analog and digital. If you think that a projector doesn't have a framerate but instead runs on magic, I cannot help you...
Vrr is nice, but why so complicated? All displays I came along in the past years have native 24p, 25p, 50p or 60p refresh rates. Where do you have pull downs still? Honest question.
@@micsafdas1 All displays with native 24p mode doesn't remove judder from all 3 sources(streaming apps, cable & streaming box). According to rtings only 11% of all their tvs tested has support for all 3. Vrr supported tvs tend to have support for all 3 sources.
If I turn on Filmmaker Mode, it will not necessarily look as close as it can to the director's intent. Filmmaker Mode will appear different on different systems. It will not appear the same on low-end and mid-range systems as it appears on the highest of the high-end systems. It will not necessarily look the same on systems in the same range either. I see many people saying that Filmmaker Mode seems dull. I never see people going to the best movie theaters and saying that the experience was dull. I doubt that most directors intend to produce a dull experience. Filmmaker Mode will make more sense decades from now.
It’s frustrating that for so many shows and movies today I need an expensive HDR TV just to see anything and a surround sound system just to hear dialogue clearly. I sympathize with the director, they have a vision and viewers aren’t able to meet it. if they want their movies and shows seen properly, they need to meet people at least half way. Movies are only in theatres for a limited time, and from that point forward, they will be watched mostly on inferior (and relatively smaller) TV screens. When something is available outside of theatres, it should be mastered with these less ideal viewing options in mind. Otherwise I will keep the TV’s sound feature to punch up dialogue, and a stronger brightness setting (so I can actually see the disappointing GOT night battle episode)
I find ANTI motion smoothing people very old fashioned. I just hate lower framerates! I’m just very sensitive to judder and stutter and this takes away the pleasure of watching movies. I even accept the artifacts that might show up. Movie makers should just modernize and make movies with higher framerates so we, the people who actually love it, are less dependent on motion smoothing!
Years ago I was watching a DVD at a friend's house on a Widescreen TV and it was obvious they had the settings on 4:3 Letterbox. It's a mode meant for 4:3 TVs, on Widescreen TVs it causes massive stretching of the image. They'd never noticed it was horrific. I even got told off for "fixing it" 🤷. Took seconds to switch the dvd player to 16:9 too.
Woooow, yea thats the worst! My Mom and my sister do the same thing in reverse. They have their tv set to 16:9, even when watching full frame (4:3 videos) so it stretches all the characters out, width wise. And then they even have zoom turned on, so theres no black bars, so the image is zoomed and stretched :O
If you're interested in frames, consider appreciating painting frames. Movies focus specifically on motion. For detailed, static art, you might want to explore comics or manga instead."
24 being "the frames they wanted to show us" or is it really the "frames they COULD show us"? 24fps doesn't exist because it'd the best, it exists because it was the best they could do for the price they wanted to pay at the time. If 12fps didn't look jerky they would have gone with that.
24 fps was literally chosen because it was the cheapest that was still smooth enough, but "smooth enough" is relative to both the viewer, display and content and it's clearly not smooth enough for everyone and everything.
Filmmaker mode is great, but don’t be afraid to up the brightness for your space. Of course, get it as dark as you can, but then adjust the brightness to a viewable level. Many people will try more accurate modes and abandon them because they are “too dark”. This is because they are often calibrated for a dark room. You’ll still get a lot of the other benefits (disabling weird motion or color processing) if you only raise the brightness. Also, some post processing is better than other post-processing. “Reality creation” on Sony TVs is excellent when used in moderation. It boosts sharpness without the usual sharpening artifacts.
I understand the issue, and personally don't like all of the extra interpolation, etc. ; But how is this any different than someone wanting to crank the bass or EQ their stereo? It's not how the sound engineer and producer intended the music to sound during mixing and mastering. It's subjective and personal preference of the consumer, right?
You actually disproved your own point. Stereos (usually) don't crank the bass or mess with the EQ automatically--that's a setting users select. This isn't subjective. TVs should, BY DEFAULT, present media the way it was intended. Then, viewers should be able to change the settings to suit their preferences. The fact that so many TVs and monitors mess with the settings without users' express consent is what is so frustrating.
@@TheGrape1234 perhaps, I'm not out here trying out a bunch of TV's lol. On the couple I own it's an option "to reduce stutter" or something like that. Gives it that soap opera look 🤮
