Howard's Total Vise, Real Avid Master Vise and Pattern Makers Vise showdown.

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@Truckboy383 2 года назад

You just saved a lot of people a ton of time and money with your honest input on these different vices. Thank you for sharing sir!

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Thank you. I appreciate the support.

@jamesrobertson6255 Год назад

Real Avid for the regular range guy like me, works great! For the Ferrari Owners go with a Howard. I Do all my gun work on the Real Avid Vise. It’s attached to my AR building bench/Toolbox.

@takedeadaim8671 11 дней назад

I have the pattern maker's vise and if clamping on one side of the jaws they pivot. I understand your saying about something falling out if clamped when the jaws pivot. I have had that issue and found two solutions, A. make a block of wood to put in the other side of the jaws to keep them gripping the item. B) for long items like gripping a stock near the action I made an adjustable support with a quick clamp. Additionally, that long bolt is there if you want to mount it to a heavy woodworker's bench with a thick top. In your situation, you can cut that bolt to a length that works for you. I am a gunsmith and have been for some time. No one vise works for every task. I have a total of 4 and watched this video, thank you by the way, to see if either of the others you reviewed would help.

@Liam-ql7tr 2 года назад

I just purchased the “total vise system” couple weeks ago just as you said multiple hobby ( wood working, rifle and bow ). It also can be put onto a track to slide things out of the way quickly if needed. Looking forward to using it in my new workshop.

@Rz8551 7 месяцев назад

Howards Vise is made in Montana, Real Avid is made in China. You get what you pay for. Thanks for the video

@tinfoilsombrero1439 2 года назад

For shooters who are not immersed in tooling and accessories, this information is invaluable. I appreciate it greatly.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

You’re certainly welcome.

@Ryan-ub1kh 2 года назад

best review on real avid. better than manufacturer's video lol

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it and that it helped.

@kylehager7960 2 года назад

Thank you!!! My choices were down to these 3 vises before I found your video. This really helped me understand the pros & cons of each. Great review and explanations. Also - beautiful stock!!! I wonder if you can rig the Pattern Maker vise to fit into he base of the Howard's Total Vise. Then you'd have better jaws, easier clamping and the swivel/tilt you get with the Total Vise (?) FYI - If you want to mount your barrel clamp to the Howard's Total Vise, they sell several different size & shaped mounting plates for the base. You could probably find one your barrel clamp fits on (I'm not promoting - just saw those on their website). edit: Doh! I see you already did both of those in another video. That's what I get for not paying attention to the dates. Still a great video & thanks for that.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

You’re welcome and I’m glad the video helped. As for the barrel vice he actually is now going to make a barrel vice plate and I’m testing it as we speak. I’ll be doing a few more videos soon on other accessories he has. Great system and very modular.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Also, here’s a video I did using his pattern makers vice mounting plate. Howard's Total Vise combined with a pattern maker vise ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lhyLXH3CPJQ.html

@patrickcolahan7499 2 года назад

I love the Pattern Makers vice, especially with my limited space. Because it is a single hole mount, I can mount it easily and then remove it when done. I not like the Real Avid vice, not only can you get grease on you and your cloths, but dirt, shavings, etc can fall into it and create a nightmare. I also don't like all the pins. Too easy to get lost. Don't care for the Total vice either. Seems that the fancier the product is, the more that can go wrong. I mounted my barrel vice to a Inline Fab quick change plate so that I could mount and remove very easily. You cannot beat the stability of the Inline Fab bases. Also have a 4" vice on a plate for it as well. Thanks for sharing John.

@longship789 2 года назад

Nice review. I have a pattern makers vice which works fine for me. My reloading/cleaning room is a narrow galley so I have it mounted away from the edge of the bench to keep the walkway clear. The tightening screw is easily reached under the bench.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Great to hear and I think they're a great buy for the money.

@marcanthony854 10 месяцев назад

John, they do make adapters that you can buy and just modify or cut and weld a plate to so you’re Barrel Vice can be used

@MichaelPhillipsDesigns Год назад

To be honest, you'll have grease on all three units since the clamps are attached to a screw and those should stay greased for longevity.

@JoshThompson25 2 года назад

I knew as soon as you set the stock leaning against the bench you were going to end up knocking it over. Goid save catching it

@cameronjohnson6838 2 года назад

One of these days I sure will be investing in something of this sort and really appreciate your input.

@amf2591 2 года назад

Also interested in the functionality/value of the Orange vice/area419 system

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

If it ever makes sense for me to buy one and test I will.

@biglemms Год назад

Informative and well done video as always, thank you. Even the last comment was a little wake up because every once in a while beating on a vise is exactly what I needed to do with one, shape some metal or whatever. I think Inline Fabrication may get another order to be able to hold more than one vise in the same spot.

@FClassJohn Год назад

Thank you, I'm glad it was helpful.

@nuworldman9280 9 месяцев назад

Great video, i have been stuck between the 2, total and real for a while. Im still stuck but i think the Real Avid will work. Thanks

@rload4374 2 года назад

Great review! Did you saw the orange bench vise from area 419?

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Yep and if it works out in the future for me to buy one and test I will.

@rload4374 2 года назад

👍 it looks really nice and sturdy, i think it’s an vise that will last more than a lifetime but to be honest it is a lot of money for just a vise

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

@@rload4374 agreed but still pretty cool. I think there is definitely a segment of people who have a real use for something like this but like I always say there are different tools for different people for different needs.

@michaelshanahan4965 2 года назад

Real Avid Vise and Real Avid Armorers Master Kit - AR15 & buy headspace gauges and your set for anything AR15 and (AR10 mostly).

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Nice Job! Great review showing all the features. I was wondering, is the Real Avid body parts made of poly or aluminum? Its not really clear. Other than that, you showed everything I could think of. Thanks for a great comparison.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Thank you. I honestly don't know exactly which parts are what kind of metal but the body of it looks like aluminum but I'm sure some of the parts are hardened steel as well.

@supafly136 2 месяца назад

superb video!

@anthonychrismartin7888 2 года назад

Good catch✌️

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Thank you. That would’ve sucked. 😬

@pstewart5443 2 года назад

Great review!! I have been holding on buying a vise hoping that someone would give a review vid like this & I could see a range of options. Often when you Google something nowadays, you get results that are paid for in ranking. The results won't show all the possible companies or options making the product. It's irritating and wastes so much time & money. Thank you, for taking the time & money to do this for the shooting world. Without folks like you we'd certainly be lost and ramp up time in the shooting sports would be sooooo much longer.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Thank you, I do my best.

@tacticalrabbit308 2 года назад

I can see that Howard's vise being mounted on the side of a work bench just below the top freeing up bench space , and making another mounting piece with just a round tube and flat bar stock welded to one end with two holes for mounting your barrel vise to for a quick change top.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Yep exactly. If I had more room on the side I would totally do that and try it out. Unfortunately I only have about two inches and it wouldn’t be great.

@mr.horseshoe2301 2 года назад

What’s a good vice for someone like me who lives in an apartment with no workbench? Am I just better off bringing it to a gunsmith whenever I want to install a barrel?

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

If all you want to do is change barrels then grab a barrel vise, install it on a board and clap it to a counter when you want to use it. If you're looking for something to hold a gun but not necessarily change a barrel then the Real Avid bolted to a board and clamped down would be good for a small place. If you want the most multipurpose vise with lots of options grab Howards Total Vise and do the clamping trick to it.

@mr.horseshoe2301 2 года назад

@@FClassJohn I will look into those options. Thank you! My first AR-15 build is almost done. Just need the barrel torqued to spec.

@AbsoluteTU 2 года назад

I’m a little late to the party…but… I think the Howard vise is intended to be tightened and loosed by the third handle (not the two lead screw knobs. IE set gross adjustment and angle with two hand screws…then cinch with the big lower knob (that also generates more leverage). ✌️

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

I appreciate the feedback and others have commented on it as well. I talked to Jeff about this back when I made the video and he said he didn't really design it that way but of course you can do it that way. I will tell you that in practical application (at least in my case) I don't like doing it that way and never feel like it's tight enough so I just use the two upper wheels. I suppose based on the need, use or past experience it can be used either way successfully.

@falco13007 Год назад

Great review and comparison! Thanks!

@JDsSportsRoom 2 года назад

Awesome review. Just found your channel, and I'm definitely a tool snob lol. Have u seen the Orange vice company w the area 419 jaws. It's really nice but it's like 1or 1500 bucks I forget.

@fredhancz3097 2 года назад

Thanks for your knowledge.

@Semiautoautomatic_shaman Год назад

Looks like real avid’s design might be the best for my needs

@kmc6-06 7 месяцев назад

Excelent reviews - thankyou.

@u4f 2 года назад

What is the diameter of the post on the Howard’s?

@cokeswigga 2 года назад

I loved your review and you sold me on getting the real avid vise for my guns Looks like its gonna work best for me.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Awesome. Glad it helped you.

@joelmoore9697 2 года назад

Great video.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Thank you

@tomgiorgini9154 7 месяцев назад

great review

@Dwayne7834 2 года назад

Thanks for the review.And video.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

My pleasure

@chrisshumake83 2 года назад

Thank you. 👍👍

@bertraminc9412 11 месяцев назад

Where did you get the wood countertops please sir?

@FClassJohn 11 месяцев назад

You can find butcher block tops like this at Home Depot and Lowes. I got these off Craigslist but I've seen them at various stores in the past.

@scottdavis4855 2 года назад

Just saying: the three footed base on your guitar vice, works much better on bottom of table

@LucasHeinze Год назад

get rid of the grease and use a evaporate dry teflon spray.

@joemass1023 2 года назад

I'd love to see a barrel vise review.

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Easy enough to do. I'll get one put together soon. Thanks for the suggestion.

@InLineFabrication Год назад

Hmm..... I think your bench might benefit from some InLine Fabrication Quick change goodness for the vises, trimmers and such. I know a guy....😁

@2ndamendment-noinfringement 10 месяцев назад

Definitely. I have about 10 of them now and they're awesome.

@physikalx 2 года назад

So which ones still on the bench?

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

Video coming this week and it's not technically any of the three.....🤗

@vikp6115 2 года назад

What about the one that area 419 sells you know only 1000$+ lol 🤣

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

I didn't know they were making those and they sold out in about 20 minutes from what I heard. Maybe if they do it again I'll get one just to test out.

@CoalMinorCanary 2 года назад

$1300 now with the jaws…

@eldermorecare4299 Год назад

easy fix for the ball joint/grease, keep a stack of cheap coffee cup lids near by for custom covers. problem solved!

@robertdidion2525 2 года назад

Have you taken a look at the new Area 419 Orange Vise? I would like to see your thoughts on that vise? Thanks

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

If I get the chance to get one and test it out I will.

@macman1138 Год назад

The Real Avid gun vise is clearly the best gun vise on the market today. Real Avid is my go-to brand.

@264Win1 Год назад

Well we all have our VICES

@angelscomputers 2 года назад

I got excited with the Howards because I think is the only one I can bolt to one of my Inline Fabrication plates but after I saw the price in the website mehhh, makes no sense to sell my rifle so I can afford the vise just to clean a rifle

@kenb7068 Год назад

Completely agree. The Howard looks nice but not trying to spend 5k to get all the adapters. The Avid looks plenty strong to do 99% of what you need to do at 20% of the cost.

@clems6989 2 года назад

The real avid grease ball is going to catch all kinds of filings and trash in there.. Change the foam to leather..

@macman1138 Год назад

Keep your workspace clean, your tools clean and serviced…no problems.

@pipegang6497 2 года назад

Complete outrageous pricing

@tinfoilsombrero1439 2 года назад

Perhaps for a cake baker. Many serious shooters find the tools and pricing to be a fair trade. Do you have a better solution that is cheaper or possibly free?

@marcanthony854 10 месяцев назад

@@tinfoilsombrero1439I don’t think the pricing is outrageous honestly, most people don’t realize good tools cost money, hell junk costs money these days. I have been using an old Palmgreen Machinist Tilting Vise and had Jaws made to suite my needs. What ever works right!

@jonathanrogers9961 2 года назад

Looks like vices are your vice..... sorry couldn't help myself....

@FClassJohn 2 года назад

😂

@o2wow 2 года назад

You need to clamp down on that urge. 😂

@tinfoilsombrero1439 2 года назад

@@o2wow 🤣

@azbushrat Год назад

yep...I think I will stay with my old Wilton.

@dbelex 2 года назад

But that's Chinese grease.

@macman1138 Год назад

🙄

@18B_Madder Месяц назад

Noob gunsmiths purchasing 10 different vises for firearms... Never understood that. Purchase 1 vise to rule them all... Just purchase a multipurpose vise w/ 3x axis and call it a day. I would LOVE TO SEE someone trying to remove a stubborn barrel device with a plastic Real Avid vise.