Hoyoverse Finally Has Competition! | Mobile Gacha Revenue [June] 

Aye smack just a lil note, but from what I heard sensory tower didn't count the first five days of FF/Mei banner (which are the days whales usually spend the most) so just wanna throw that out there. Edit: Also Shoutout to Wuwa proving the haters wrong

I'm honest, I don't care if Wuthering Waves doesn't keep up with the Hoyo Games even if Kuro only making half of it, that's insane

Just a fraction of the player base. Many not playing because they can't on their mobile device and Wuthering Waves STILL hit top 3? That's phenomenal.

Important note: Firefly and Ruan mei first 5 days didnt count because google froze during that time, so the numbers for HSR should be way higher

if PGR can survive for 4.5 years on extremely low revenue so will WuWa once the revenue dips whenever that may be, Kuro should be fine as long as tencent doesn't start bitching about it lol. And it not beating Genshins, HSR, and soon ZZZ's revenue isn't the end of the world either. Only thing I see the low revenue effecting is Project NAMI and Kuro employees.

Wuthering waves doesn't need to be #1, they just need to make good enough money to warren the game continuing to exist and get constant quality updates which is what they are doing. I agree with Gacha on this one. there is no fear in me that they will abandon the game like you see with many other games that barely make money.

Im so glad wuthering waves is making bag, they deserve a lot for how much they gave us and on how much they work on everything from animation, world, visuals, story etc

One thing to keep in mind is that WW is inherently less profitable than genshin because the pity is lower, the weapon is guaranteed and you can buy 2 copies of a character from the shop. So even if you have the sane number of spenders, the amount spent will be less.

for wuwa to have so much less of player base than hoyo, but STILL get top 3 is fire. a strong cult fanbase is always better in the long run no cap

Wuwa has a huge potential for growth and development, so I am sure they will show even more from the next patches. We also see how many improvements they have done in 1.1. It's crazy!

Anyone with a brain cell saw this coming, Wuwa is doing amazing and hope it continues to improve and grow!

So this time censer tower is not accurate.I am looking forward to see your tect goons coping excuse for july revenue.

Considering how generous wuwa compared to hoyoverse games, i think that's impressive to be able to reach top 3. Especially wuwa came as a contender and have to penetrate the market that already in comfort zone.

just to clarify some fact... 1. wuwa gacha banner is way better than HSR n Genshin...why?? bcoz their weapon banner is 100% guarenteed not 50/50 which make lot people go f2p 2. wuwa not damage check to beat content...ur 4* eventually can solo if u have good skills 3. most of wuwa player coming from HSR n ex genshin which is ofc low spender will focusing spend money on their main games...either HSR or genshin itself...n later on ZZZ will come out im pretty sure it gonna be same happen so to see Wuwa actually surpass genshin or HSR is probably almost cannot happen due to their gacha banner system

the problem with wuwa is, that i grinded everything from 1.1 in 3 days, it was too enjoyable

The Wuwa doubters were some of the most delusional people I've maybe ever seen.

the only real worry is how the lacklustre CN sales (16.5m is good.. but it's below Global) will affect a Chinese company and their decisions going forward.

And changli still ain’t out yet

Honestly speaking I have already got bored playing wuwa, this might not be the mistake of the game itself, but still the exploration, character development, plot... I just burned out on this all, it was enough in Genshin, but still I hope there will be competition for the better future of both games. Keep y'all self safe guys, and don't get burned out like I did, this feeling is miserable

Here first, W videos always smack. glad to see the monopoly uprooted. I think Changli's release will have massive sales

11 minutes of excuse explanation for wuthering waves 🤣

2:20 When WuWa is more of a "console experience" game and they haven't said anything abt it a year later 😔 Btw shout out to u smack for actually advocating for a console release besides shinya, most other CC's don't care and emphasize how much a console release would pop off like genshin did for ps4

Game is good but lets be honest here it sucks on mobile , sudden fps drops , camera issues, other bugs . No , its not fun as it suppose to be on mobile . imma try out zzz , if it runs smoother than wuwa i am dropping wuwa , simple .

WW already made a lot more out of the game then they put in. Its already a huge success even if it failed this month. Some insane numbers.

Idk how accurate this is but there was a reddit post that said that this sensory tower update froze halfway through the month so it's only for the first 14-15 days

WUWA has lots of potential. And they actually care about their fan base. Hoyoverse only cares about how much money you spend.

Firefly might be a strong character, but she is not a good character. Parasocial simps reply below.

I don't mean to sound like a hoyo shill, but it is important to take into consideration that this is a game's new release vs a game in its dry period. If the launch wasn't a mess, WuWa would probably have topped genshin here.

Pretty impressive that wuwa is at the top even tho its way less predatory compare to HSR and grnshin and I bet a lot of wuwa player only play at PC.

The only area I disagree with you on re: WuWa is it potentially outperforming Hoyo. I just don't think it's possible with how bad they're doing in CN. They did almost 2x outside CN as in CN. With CN being the biggest market, unless they can turn it around there, they're not going to be able to top Genshin who still has China in a death grip. But that doesn't make the game a failure by any means, and perhaps, if their audience is accepted as West/JP/KR the game might be better because they can focus more on localization in those places and pander to the CN market less.

WUWA FOR THE WIN! FORCE HOYOVERSE TO MAKE GENSHIN BETTER!!

Devs willing to listen to the playerbase receiving more dollar per Playercount as a Result, sounds so simple yet Genshit cannot comprehend it

This is the start of something good. just think about HSR, they started about there and started climbing So if this is their starting point they have huge potential. Once they optimize it more for both PC and mobile than drop it for console, they will go even higher.

Hope they fix something on mobile 😢,1.0 was ok 1.1 graphics wise ok but if fps drop a bit sens go 180 with one little swipe

as a gacha player who plays all 3, i am happy to see all of them doing good

r/gachagaming is not gonna like this one

ZZZ looks like it's built for mobile. I've been playing Wuwa daily for the last month and it's been a roller-coaster ride for me. The PC version was extremely stuttery on my well-built PC until the launch of 1.1. The new version is running as smooth as Genshin and I immediately started exploring and farming for the whole day. Two weeks ago, I'd have told you Wuwa was a disaster, at launch. Now, I'm thinking it was a brilliant play to rush it out at the exact moment they did. These numbers are insane!!!! Thanks for compiling and presenting it all for us Gacha.

WuWa is dead it didnt make top 1 RIP i hope wuwa keeps going this well cus i really enjoy the game

I wonder what percentage of WuWa plays mobile? It’s a massive L they didn’t do controller support.

Just a few things to add on but, Acherons bannner sales weren't just acheron banner sales, It was a combination of 1- Acheron, 2- Sparkle and 3- Anniversary, That point 2 and point 3 add a lot more than you'd think to that total number, sparkle being in the top 5 most popular hsr characters I think? and anniversary being well the anniversary, so It's going to be very difficult for any future banner to equal that amount until something similar occurs. Additionally though it's been mentioned plenty already, first 15 days only because senstory tower went down halfway through the month or so.. so no wuwa 1.1, no furina and sigewienne as well as no firefly and ruan mei, None of these are included.

My Honshit Starbucks is on number 1 and WuWa is doing great. Love both games I hope this trend will keep up.

Imagine, for a measly 2 Million active players of WuWa, they could already have this high revenue top 3. How much more if the Mobile handicap is optimized and more of CN Players can play it. Imagine the revenue.

Im excited for ZZZ to just fill in some gacha space, but it might be the first to be dropped when I start my MMO grind again. 😅

Having good sales in global is kinda W. It might make Kuro listen to global players too than always prioritize CN community lmao but that's copium.

It's a shame it's missing 15 days of sales, so we don't truly know how well the banners did on mobile since that's effectively half the timecycle missing.

Great analysis. Wuwa Will also have to contend with Genshin biggest update Natlan. A much anticipated region and towards the end the pyro Archon while ZZZ is releasing as well on console. Hopefully they announce a console date soon cuz it's a market being lost rn

If the senory tower numbers being inaccurate is true then it seems ironic to see the amount of community members with their celebratory hating on things like WW and Firefly

WW being compared to two games that are already well established.. easy WW win!!!

They just need to smooth out the performances on mobile and release on console. I have a lot of friend that wanted to try the game but their device can't play it and they only have consoles so it's a bummer for them. 😅

Remember back then Genshin official ignored backlash 5th latern rite Chinese dissatisfied low amount rewards no free 5* characters not aloy low damage multiplier and Chronicle wish banner just first half? Especially Genshin global not happy either when China stepped up angry no official addressed earn squeeze earn ignored community dissatisfied and official created ghost Genshin account not actual play when Chinese tiktok unfollowed despite Honkai Star Rail better treat game Free Dr.Ratio and much earn pull every patch than Genshin doesn't free 5* characters selector and Random? Wuwa doesn't follow stringy Hoyoverse mistreated game genre

Changli will be the real hit since yinlin

A thing that i find it curios, is that it looks like that Global is more heavvy weigth than CN on WuWa, hoping that this means we GBL will get our voices heard at the same level as CN

ZZZ pretty sure will beat WuWa like any other Hoyo Game from a Technical perspectiv, People talk about Content and Banner drops but WuWas biggest problem is the Technical state it is in. Sure it Runs on PC but tbh Animations or Combatfeedback isnt even close to ZZZ . An other big poin is the Daily routine what Hoyo did understand very well is Daily logins must be as Comfortable as possible , ppl need to comeback daily so they stick with the game without getting stressd by it, so when a Patch drops and new Units are there to buy they isntantly activated as Customers before they getting back to daily routine. WuWa really loses here, compare to Starrail for example the game simply takes way longer to start thos seconds are important to not fk up people by there daily routine. An other Point is the Launcher, most Gacha Gamer play at least one Hoyo Game so when u close the game launcher is back up and u press on the next icon again thats a point for the lazy stressles Boni Hoyo simply offers for holding player Points like that are very important i Thing and Hoyo has a big advantage here. So Wuthering Waves success will only stay if KuroGames can Improve the Game on a Technical side by a mile and maybe start working on Improving Animations/Soundtracks and more important Combat Feedback to stay competitive to Hoyo. And thats just a PC Point View, the Mobile Improvements of the Game and future Console release comes on top of that. I personally really hope Kuro will improve this Problems to at least send some pressure to Hoyo for us as Players thats the best that can happen in Both Universes.

I gave up on this game because of its awful controls on mobile. 1.1 didn't bring controller support either so I'm just gonna wait until it comes to PS5. Till then, ZZZ.

Just wait until mobile is optimized to play better and they add WuWa to console - it will be *OVER* then, my husband and I agreed to delete Genshit Simpact from the PS5 to make room 😂🔥

Bro only talks about Wuthering waves and HoYo shit 😂

my man I’m so sorry about my comment last night about the PCP business lol I can’t believe it. I was so smashed last night that I accidentally somehow set playback to 2X by accident on my iPad and I’m thinking to myself that he upload this like this lol yeahI’m an idiot anyway just wanted to say sorry for that comment you probably like what the hell happy Fourth of July

With WuWa taking care of us players, I was happy to spend on the game. They deserve all this success 🥳

I've heard that sensory tower was down for a while which affected the final numbers. I havent fully looked into it though

All I see is all these top of the chart games must be all good because they are all bloody earning 10s of millions and it don’t matter who is making more because they are all doing their job but I do see them all being the same now and I just want them to make a RTS because I loved playing lotrbfme 2 and age of mythology and age of empires and total annihilation. These games have gone extinct but hope they would revive them or I’ll learn how to code them and I’ll make one

"1 month 45 mil bro fell off"

Hoyostans said the game will die soon in reddit and twitter :(

The problem of wuwa, is the drop regardless even w Changli, and there's no near the same hype for 1.2 characters

Even with all of the content completed, except a couple things, I am STILL spending on average 6 hours on wuwa lmao. And I am on mobile too, still do not see the issue with playing it on mobile.

I wonder what sort of investor doors opened up for them with the successful release. Something they've already started doing is expanding their team across all their projects.

bro Changli will carry 1.1 so hard with the 7 Week update

HoYo has been way too complacent. I hope WuWa continues to perform well.

I have seen plenty of people mention the first five days of the FF/Ruan Mei banner situation, but just to add to it Acheron's 2.1 banner was also the reset of the top up bonus which can't be understated. A lot of people will do a top up bonus even if they are just hoarding it for a future character.

4:55 Acheron banner was on Anniversary hype + Topup reset too And during firefly banner Android market was down for 15 days

Huge WuWa W

We dont need genshin killer, we need to have fun. Genshin has been failing on that for a while but whiteknights aing gonna tolerate the flat fact.

5:20 agreed, nobody tops Acheron. As expected for her 👍 I’m hoping for a Scaramouche expy in Star Rail to use with her

The cope is crazy, this game should have been able to do much better than genshin on a dead patch.

I reliese i didn't contribute anything during firefly banner 😅

changli sales gonna be crazy man

Devs listening while doing well Financially? W!!!

Wuwa the underdog staying strong

The most weird statement i ever hear is zzz is the direct competition of ww when they dont have anything in common.

Wuwa is super cheap compared to Genshin, the characters take 20 less pulls, you can buy limited character constellations with corals from coral shop, there's targeted weapon banner, and the weapon banner is HUGE. genshin takes 1000-1200 pulls for a R5 weapon while wuwa takes only 400 pulls at most. So whales can't really spend much because everything is so cheap and they get it too easily. On the other hand, genshin's scam banner is alone enough to make 2x more money than wuwa. Also in mobile port the optimization is terrible, despite that many people played and spent money on that. Considering all that, wuwa did pretty good.

Stand proud, Trailblazers. This might be the 2nd to last time we see HSR on top for this year, filler arc coming through. That being said, Genshin should be back on top again once 5.0 releases.

Imagine how much money WuWa coulda made if their gacha system was as bad as Genshin (or even HSR) lol... of course maybe the fact that you get more for your money makes people ok with spending more in WuWa? Interesting to think about at least

Can't wait for then PS5 port for WW

i wish wuwa on playstation, i already play genshin on ps4 and hsr in my mobile device but i can’t play wuwa on it bc of my phone storage.. and i don’t have pc, so i can’t play the game… they NEED to drop console wuwa bc i’m not stop playing genshin or hsr

I'm more surprised by how hard solo leveling plummeted.

Wuthering mobile player here, I play on a iphone and the lag is unbearable constant overheating lag disconnecting broken dialogue and poor combat mechanics, I simply don’t even dodge attack because it’s too much to manage on a little device and the poor mobile quality is the only thing that’s holding me back from spending money on the game, hope they fix it

Makes me wonder WuWa will perform when it comes on Console. Hopefully, that boosts the Game's Revenue by alot. And I can't wait for the PS5 Version. As a long time Devil May Cry Fan, I want to play it so much.

I like HSR better. Skipped Firefly. I pulled an additional copy of Ruan Mei and I got her LC now. So now I have her at e1s1 and let me tell you bro… she’s cracked! I’m thoroughly enjoying WuWa I’m just not a big action combat guy. Mostly because I’m old and I suck. But yeah loving WuWa. I’ve spent like $200 so far. I’ll continue buying the astrite sub and the battle pass until I get bored.

Confronting launch revenue with idle revenues it's not a correct process, since idle revenues for GI are like 30% of his 1.0 revenues and the same applies for all gacha games. You can expect a 20/25M per patch on WW from 1.1 going forward

I stop spending im hoyo games. My support goes fully to Kuro games.🤩

These numbers aren't accurate, and shouldn't be taking seriously for now. HSR and WW should be higher than that, anyway I dont think FF and RM can outsell the EMeneyteer

Now we get data analysis from TWO INACCURATE WEBSITES compared to only ONE previously 👏 Biggest upgrade in this channel so far 🎉

The fact that WuWa haven't release it on console.. They literally just need to optimize it to few types of devices, like PS4, 5, XBOX Series X, S, it is 100 times easier to optimize that optimizing to different gears in phone and PC. Why are they loving to torture themselves like this.

As much as I like WW, sadly ZZZ will probably take that 3rd spot, which is sad, hoyo yet again is like a fkin monarchy

@GachaSmack07 Did you know kuro stealth nerf jianxin? Now its stiff as stone. As jianxin main, i hope changli main ready for this.

Going simply by an educated guess, after playing Wuwa for a week i thought it would be outperforming Genshin by the end of the year.

This is just my take, but the this july, august, and possibly september will be gruesome for wuthering waves for a number of reasons: 1) zzz is coming out in a few days and with the advantage of having a full month and 2 separate banners, it will definitely take up the revenue pie for the other hoyo games, as well as wuwa. This will cause major pvp. 2) genshin, hsr, and wuwa (to my knowledge) will have a single banner phase this month. The only downside wuwa has is the size of the playerbase. So this means if each player from each player base spends $1, wuwa will be at the bottom. 3) natlan and the new region update is arriving in 2 months and this will definitely be the biggest challange for wuthering waves...i dont think i need to explain why that is. 4)wuwa styles of dripmarketing and character hype is different from hoyo...but in my opinion hoyo does a great job hyping characters hype. We still dont know who is coming in 1.2...but... (please see the parenthesis) Tldr: There is a good possibility for kuro and the community to brave through the next few months. In my opnion...it might be the worst months yet. I am not a hoyo or kuro shill. I play both hoyo games and wuthering waves daily. (THIS MIGHT BE CONSIDERED LEAKS SO PLEASE DO NOT READ FURTHER. ONLY READ FURTHER AT YOUR OWN RISK.) ( YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED) 5)There is a good chance 1.2 will introduce new characters that have not been seen before...so really, currently there is no hype for character banners in wuwa for july and august.

I think some of the people who are having problems with Wuthering Waves on mobile are trying to play the game on a Potato phone. Like my Samsung S10 from 2019 runs the game flawlessly I havnt had any issues whatsoever ya its a flagship device but I picked up it refurbished 2 years go for like $200 and now it's like $150 very affordable just know there's no more security updates for it. One thing I know a lot of mobile players are looking forward to is controller support though, personally I prefer mobile controls but I have a few friends who want to use a controller and can't. Edit:of that 62 million players for Genshin does that include people like me who just log in see that nothings really new and log back off within 2 minutes to go back on Wuthering Waves lol I'm assuming it does.

My take on WW revenue last month: * Since it had both Yinlin and Jinhsi's banners, it means it's unlikely for WW revenue to reach the same height in the future (hope I'm proven wrong on this) * It's unlikely for Kuro to match Hoyo in terms of marketing budget. Having no covid boost to help build prestige also makes it worse * When genshin reaches Natlan patches, future WW revenue might be suppressed during the period * Mobile optimization is still ass and that will keep bringing the game down * HOWEVER, there is a large fraction of unreported PC revenue for WW, which means WW development will be at least funded enough in the future * 1.1 patch makes many people much more optimistic about WW's future content, since it blew 1.0 content quality out of proportion . So in essence - WW will constantly get mocked for not surpassing genshin's revenue at its absolutely peak (the genshin killer rhetoric from WW haters), but it will make enough money to not make people concerned about its future (like current ToF situation)

HSR Supremacy ❤

Zzz going to fail😮