I’ve reviewed several 2080 laptops with 150w, 180w and 200w vBIOS. They’re all so close in performance to this 150w 2080 Super. The AW51m scores higher in FS but it would throttle hard at 75°C. RTX Super might not impress you and I get it, seriously. But the lower clocks definitely help keep things cooler vs the higher clocked non-Super variant from what I have been able to tell so far 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades Lenovo and dell offer a nice slim 240W brick. Someone should offer a smaller 330W power adapter. I had the 51M and lugging around the two adapters was brutal. Even a single 330 brick is too much for me... This is okay if you rarely move the laptop...
Maybe try undervolting the GPU too, it could/might help with the CPU thermals a bit. Isn't there a hidden BIOS page for UVing, as some MSI laptops have (Jarrod's video)
I like your style, Bob. Watching your vids is like getting really good, detailed buying advice from a friend who's lived, worked and played with something I'm thinking about getting for myself. Good stuff. Thank you!
@@BobOfAllTrades I hope the fact that I'm still happily abusing a gaming laptop you recommended (and your vids helped me tweak) 2 years ago -- and I'm still watching your content - says it all. When I'm ready for my next machine, like last time, I'll be hitting your channel for all the little details and no BS advice I need to get my money's worth. Thanks again. It's obvious you put a lot of time and effort into your vids -- and they really did help me make a purchase that left me with no surprises or regrets.
I am so glad i found you, what a great and balanced review, love the accent as well. I was looking for an in depth review of laptops for a while, and damn you are above the competition in your craft my friend. Im off to buy an Omen, nuff said. Liked and subscribed! Keep up the good work.
Really seems to be no compromises from HP on this beast of a machine. Does seem like a nice value for the asking price considering raw gaming performance. Solid review Bob!
So my Omen arrived, same spec as the reviewed one. Bought i have to say very much influenced by this review. And DAMN it was a good choice. 6 houra of far cry 5, warzone, witcher 3 and wow all on tippity top settings. Afterburner says peak temps at 84 for cpu and 78 for gpu. Thats out of the box with balanced / auto fans. Many thanks for the review Bob!!!
This thing is fantastic! I’ve had it boxed up and ready to ship back after this review and it’s just haunting me inside that box. I want to selfishly get it out and play with it but I know if I get attached to it it’s just gonna ruin me lol.
@@lensofgeneration236 well theres not much changed in relation to performance. I play mainly in bed using a portable stand, and the laptop sits on the floor when not used gathering dust. That had small impact when i let the vents get choked... after cleaning im still in that low 80s area. Noise wise, well under control. I play around 2 meters away from a crib with 2 month old rascal in it and on max the fans do not wake him up. I added new wow and cold war with rtx on to the mix. Both performing amazingly with stable fps at all times. I will be smashin cyberpunk soon, i can let you know how that performs with rtx on. Also Bob did a video on the new updated co trols for undervolting. Another tool to add to performance a d thermal control. Absolutely recommend ...
I wanted a 2080 super but couldn't justify the price difference between the 2070 super. Spent 1500 on a 2070 super laptop with the 10875h with great cooling. Spending 1000 more for a 2080 super is not worth it. My 2070 super laptop for 1500USD scored better in firestrike compared to the 2500USD stock clock 2080 super laptop in this video. Even when overclocking the 2080 super it only gets 26k graphics score compared to the 25k of my 2070 super.
Great review Bob, and totally accurate. I have this laptop for gaming and can also add that, if you have the skills to do so, you can put better thermal paste on and drop the cpu temp by 8C! I am now running Far Cry 6 in performance mode and top out at 63C on CPU and 61C on GPU after 3 hours! I used MX4 Thermal paste. Clearly I did this after my warranty had expired. Keep the reviews coming.
I picked up the 2070 version of this with 16gb of ram, however same processor. It’s nearly 1000 dollars less, but HP did do a great job on this laptop after 3 hours of gaming my gpu topped out at 73c and my processor 76 on the performance mode
Imagine this laptop with a Ryzen 9 CPU ..Whoa. Blows the mind away ! Awesome review Bob I love the Omen Line I dont know why they dont go full metal it would put them right near the top.
Amazing review.. you naild every aspect of this laptop. I'm glad for you and your hard work Bob. Keep going forward man iam rotating for you. Just keep your unique style and you will hit the million sub easy BTW i will get this laptop was just waiting on your review 🙂. Sadly there's no international shipping form the Amazon link in description.
What people forget is the power brick is fine at the wattage that it puts out. If you got an alternative laptop with that much wattages their power brick would be x2 of them to carry.
Glad that you've held HP accountable these past few years and they've responded subsequently with improvements. Regarding undervolting, HP stepped up and included the ability to undervolt 10th generation Intel processors within their updated Command Center software.
HP seems to be getting great laptops this year with each entry being better than earlier. Love this laptop - it would have been great even with the 144hz display that comes with regular Omen 15. Thanks for the review👍
Wow, that covered so many aspects of this model which took me hours to discover, and you summarized them all here! I'm planning to get me one with similar specs, and the insights you give about performance profiles are priceless, thanks for that.
Hey, I got mine since July. 2080 Super, i7-10750H , 300Hz. It's a beast and the performance is not disappointing. But the downsides: - You always need to have it plugged to a charger for it to be able to run most things, on battery mode its very limited (hence the GPU and because it's a unit.) - The panel: Black is fading around the corners and slightly on the edges, don't expect OLED quality. - The noise of the fans can be ultra loud (most of the time) - Sound is for my taste not loud enough on max volume. - You can only change the colours of certain areas on the Keyboard (in segments). They might be minor but these are the only things that where bugging me, might be because of the price (2500 Euros).
Finally my dream 330-watt Gaming laptop concept is executed by an OEM! Loving it, hope other brands launch their own designs of single 330 watt PSU laptops (I'm looking at you MSI Raider GE76), goodbye double PSU desktop replacements!
@@BobOfAllTrades Exactly, it's a great first step in the right direction. Ideally, once they engineer a dedicated 330-watt TDP thermal solution (Liquid Metal would be standard), these 17.3 inch formfactors should pack a 65 watt desktop CPU, 160 watt GPU, and 70 watt left to power the rest of the system (display between 600 and 1000 nits, LED backlit keyboard, at least one robust Powered USB-C Power Delivery, standard USB/HDMI/Display ports, card reader, speakers/subwoofer, headphone amp + audio dac, 2 to 4 SSDs, Wifi card and MOBO chipset. 330w-160-65-70 = 35w left as reserve as no PSU is 100% efficient, this extra wattage potential (10w to 15w) will be tapped for overclocking needs if the thermals allow it.
@@Frencho9 All PSUs are designed to hit their rated wattage, this is a common misconception regarding efficiency. Efficiency only refers to the amount of loss you incur through the AC to DC conversion, so a 90% efficient conversion at 330w would mean you pull around 367w at the wall. Bricks are typically the highest quality components because of how they’re passively cooled (less energy lost to heat by using higher quality/efficiency components) and how they operate on very thin margins for power delivery in the first place. You don’t need to subtract any power for efficiency.
@@ALmaN11223344 Thanks for the explanation, I based my comment on my experience with my 230 watt laptop PSU, using HWi64 never seen my system pull over 215 watt while gaming or benching 3DMark/Heaven etc, even with the 115w GPU overclocked and sometimes reporting a max pull of 124w and CPU fluctuating between 55w and 62w. So that means my PSU if it had more power-hungry silicon, could deliver the full 230w?! Now I want to Eluktroboost my RTX 2070 to get those extra 15w LOL!
I have the 17 inch 2019 model with i79750h and 2080 and 144hz screen that i got last July. I’m very happy with it for the performance and reasonable weight. I have repasted it with thermal grizzly kryonaught and reflashed the graphics card bios to 190 watts using nvflash. I can go to 200 watts but I’m happy at 190. It’s been stable running games like Warzone, Pubg, Overwatch. When i benchmarked it was the same perf as the 2080 super. Also i got it from Germany imported to the UK and paid VAT with a 2 year warranty at 1850 UKP. Insanely good value and high performance laptop. The few bad things i have had is turn off the HP monitoring sevice as it caused windows BSOD. Also the speakers are not great. But i play with headphones, keyboard and monitor so not a problem. Great laptop if you wanted power and portability between locations you have to travel to.
I own a 2018 omen 15. use it as my desktop and laptop (USB hub and displayport to my 27 inch ultragear from LG). I love this thing. the 1070 Max-q does great on CS GO and esports titles 144hz. On other games it gets caught lacking. Probably building a desktop soon
@Bob Of All Trades I've been an HP customer for years & very pleased with HP quality. I had a 2005 HP laptop that I sold in 2011. HP durability is phenomenal! I may have to get this gaming beast. Great review bruh....Keep them coming!
Daammmmm boi! Great review as always. Kinda of a shame they put the macro keys on the left of the kb. Guess they didn't learn from all the Lenovo Y740 returns oh well. Any chance at a possible Eluktronics Thiccc 15 review in the near future. Kinda wanna ditch the desktop life and put my ryzen 9 3900x in that thing.
More manufactures need to do custom power bricks like that. Much easier to much something around with a more compact design and shape like that. Would be nice to see them offer an eight core variant for anyone that wants or needs the extra cpu power. ;)
That's not a power-brick that's a power-slab! That is 1 heck of a laptop. Since I bought that Helios 300 last year & am still using I'll just admire this bad-boy. If I was in search for a primary laptop then this would've to be a consideration. At $2K it would've already been a sale, but as is its something to drool over. This just looks like a well thought-out laptop across many facets.
Good review. This seems like one of the best high performance NBs out there. Awesome performance, g-sync, goid thermals and acceptable noise. Well done HP!
Great review! I got the same one but from HP with a 144hz screen. i9-10885H and 2080 Super (150w). It's absolutely amazing what they've got into this. Many many hours of smiles to come! I have 'trouble' getting my GPU to ever go over 65*c. Even 200% rendering 4k ultra for two hours on Warzone. 60-75fps with +200/+800 OC on GPU. 1440p 125 or so fps.
Whooaa!!! This was the one of the greatest review by you Bob. Really. Not even kidding. Loved it. This is what Bob of all Trades is about. I hope you keep this style. 😏 With that being said, what can we expect next from BOAT. 😄
Some of the most expensive aspects of an ITX are gonna be the screen and the GPU, a quick rundown based on what I’ve been looking at would go like this: RTX 2070 itx - $630 on Newegg right now ASUS 240hz portable 17.3 inch monitor - $600 K39 1lb ITX case - $50 MSI b450i - $100 R5 3600 - $150 16gb 3200 lpx - $75 Alpenfohn - ~$60 7660 PSU - ~$150 1tb m.2 and 2tb sata - $300 Other considerations are that you can spend less on the GPU by getting a slightly larger but significantly heavier build, and that you can actually upgrade the GPU in any of these where you just can’t in almost all laptops. What you buy with ITX isn’t what you have to have till you sell the whole product unlike a 17 inch omen that’s barely a laptop anyways, so an ITX and G14 combo are really a better choice for someone who needs portable power.
So I got the top UK spec model i9 8 core 32g 512ssd 1t HD £2500 144hz screen. Its much smaller and lighter than previous alienware 17r4. The power brick is also smaller lighter and far more manageable than alienware one. The alienware equivalent is £ 3800. Great purchase. It can be easily handled in one hand unlike the 17r4 which is painful one handed. It's also inches smaller as no back piece sticking out
Good to see another laptop that can in 25k+ range. Glad though I returned my order last year as the power brick of the Omen is huge. I find it insane that Eluktronics could get better scores with just 115W 2080 MaxQ (27K Firestrike) with last years model. I’m afraid there might not be much performance improvement in the coming years as GPUs getting more power hungry to increase performance.
$2,500 for that beast is actually a bargain. The only thing I do not like from that laptop is that HP used the old hinge design. The 2020 HP Omen 15's hinge, and lid, design just looks way better and looks way more durable.
I'm in the market for a gaming laptop, but I have long hate relationship with HP since my first 3 laptops were HP and they had problems with defective keys, overheating GPU, screen pixelation and lousy customer service, but boy, that $1799 model is so tempting.
Great review as always! Not to take away from this excellent laptop but it was really nice to see my ASUS tuf a15 4800h 2060 beating it in Cinebench 20 and the Firestrike physics score (graphics score yes the Omen tells me to hold its beer). Yes I know that it is apples to oranges but still for the $850 it sold at I am very happy and can live with the sucky screen as I have it plugged into a good monitor. But yes given 2500 great deal! I'm just cheap and looking for bang for the buck. Knock out my cheap and this is great bang for the buck!
What a review, really well done! You are so specific in your language and details which I love. I have a GE66 with the 10750H and it’ll hit 75 watts. I’m seeing 3251 in Cinebench so not too far off this HP. My 2070 Super hits 22,894 in Firestrike graphics with a 150Mhz Core overclock and 300Mhz memory overclock. Could I push it harder? Seeing 72 degrees on the GPU.
Hey Bob, I've been watching a lot of your videos along with doing some research myself, thanks so much for your content man! I'm actually glad I've found you have a review for 2 laptops that I deciding between, which is the MSI GE66 Raider with the RTX 3070 or this Omen with the 2080 Super. They are going for the same price where I live so I was wondering which you could recommend as far as gaming performance? I'm not really concerned about the laptop life stuff (like size, weight, etc) as they are quite different, but more so on the gaming performance. If gaming performance is all that matters and they are going for the same price, would you actually go for the Omen? Thanks Bob
Great review as always Bob! Impressive laptop at a good price, but not for me. I'll take lower refresh rate with higher resolution and screen quality since I don't play competitive games. I thought your segment on building an ITX PC was really interesting. I built an matx PC that could trade blows with this laptop for under $1000. A (used) 1080 Ti for $400, Ryzen 5 3600 for $155, 3200mhz 2x8gb ram, 500gb WD Blue NVMe ($60) , 2 TB ADATA SU800 ($200), 8TB HDD ($150), Case ($60), Corsair 750w PSU ($90), ASRock b450m/ac mobo ($60). That comes out to $1240, but the massive storage is what set it over the top ($350 just in extra SSD and HDD space. Sure, it is bigger, but I can continually upgrade and don't have to worry about things breaking or thermals nearly as much. Serviceability is easy, etc. I also have the freedom to choose what display I want... In my case a 4k HDR projector for split screen games, movies, etc with the family, and a nice big ultrawide for lone game time. I then have an aging Alienware 13 R3 OLED for gaming on the go when necessary, as the i7-7700HQ and GTX 1060 Mobile still do well enough for 1440p/60hz. I guess what I'm saying is... I just don't get gaming laptops anymore. I loved them when I was moving barracks to barracks and moving constantly, but now they just make no sense to me. They age quickly and become bricks that don't hold their value very well at all. Dollar for dollar, I don't think it is even fair. It seems that gaming laptops are a total luxury or a necessity based on where you are in your life. Whereas building a PC or scoring a very nice deal on a prebuilt and putting in parts as you go is the default option. I wanted to go all in on the Alienware Area-51m, but was totally disappointed in the performance - more a reflection on the lack luster increases of the RTX 2000 line up over the GTX 1000 cards. Plus, those things melted and the upgradability was essentially a lie. I had it preordered and was one of the first ones to get one... then I returned it.
Did you ever find out if the 144hz models have gsync as well? At least on the amazon listings, none of them say they have g-sync which is annoying, and HP's website is garbage. Good review btw
Great review as always. I have the baby brother of this (15" with the 1660 TI and the Intel 10750h, but the similar, older chassis.) I'm really impressed with what HP has done with the OMEN series over the last 6 months. Curious, what do you recommend for keeping your laptop plugged into power vs. not? There are so many conflicting things on letting it charge only to 80% then letting it only get to around 20%, or just keeping it plugged in all the time. I know your use case is probably different as you are switching out machines fairly often, but I wanted your thoughts.
Hey Bob nice review as always. I have a question, why do you think laptop manufacturers don't offer their laptops already overclocked out of the box, if it will offer higher performance than a stock one?
Hi, I have been using an OMEN 17 in the 10750h and 2060 (115w) configuration for almost a month and for the first time I saw at a laptop CPU temperatures of almost 100 degrees Celsius but from what I see I am not the only one who reaches this temperature! On the GPU I reach temperatures of maximum 63 degrees Celsius!
I do agree it ticks all the boxes. I've been basically screening all the reviews since March and as I was just about to press the "buy" button then boom the RTX 3000 series were announced. I get that it will be a while until the 3000 series laptops are released and we will be far away from the desktop GPUs due to power limits, but still it already feels like buying an obsolete item. In UK it is £1800 with student discount ($2370) but only with 144Hz screen and 2 x 8gb of RAM. Laptop has been released for nearly 5 months now and price hasn't dropped. In 4 months we will get the CES so I am really divided. I currently don't have any gaming laptop so I am torn between buying the Omen 17 now or buying a basic gaming laptop now (eg Nitro 5) with an upgrade to a 3000 series next summer. Also are we going to have new 2080 super laptops by Christmas? Or are we stuck with the current ones?
Wat hitme yes, it’s possible. I was able to undervolt the core offset by -0.168mv and the cache by -0.084mv and the values actually show up in throttlestop. 4ghz across all 6 cores is achievable (while gaming) with the average temps around 75-80c at worst. Also, the keyboard temps and fan noise was noticeably lower after the undervolt
AmaZing video Bob after seeing this I immediately ordered one from eluktronics Amazon and it's actually for 2499$ which is amazing I saw a comment where u mentioned modding the vbios to 200w could you explain that a bit more
Man its a better deal then other 2080 laptops, but you can still build a 3900XT/2080 Ti 32gb system and still have some left over for a mouse, monitor, and keyboard.
@@BobOfAllTrades haha thanks, was really disappointed with all the issues. It had the same exact hardware as my omen 17 (i7 10750, rtx2070, 144hz, 512nvme, wifi 6) but for some reason it would over heat like crazy. Even at idle the cpu was at 65-75 and gpu over 55 Very odd and nothing the dell support could do would fix it
okay the thing about that overclock score is that the combined fps remained unmoved essentially. And the combined fps is exactly the same as my 2080 max Q non super which is not overclocked
I have the previous gen top end, with the 9880H and the 2080. Overclocked the 2080 hits roughly bang on the 2080 Super overclocked score (you can see why Nvidia dropped the 2080 Max P, whilst keeping the 2060 and 2070 original variants). It's a GREAT machine for the price I paid, especially given the usual prices here in the UK, especially as I got a 15% off discount code. I couldn't have got ANYTHING comparable for the money with a full fat 2080 here in the UK at the time. The fact I got all of it, with a 3 year warranty due to the care pack, for around £2200 (inc VAT) is a stunning deal compared to what we usually pay. I highly rate the Omen 17s, they always seem to offer some of the best bang for buck for FULL MAXP GPUs. The only downside with my model from last year is they shared a heatpipe between the CPU and the GPU, so when this machine is CPU wattage unlocked, and GPU overclocked, then the CPU does get dang hot in the 8 core version, (the GPU generally stays fine, but the CPU is into the 90s but gobbling 90W) . If they have improved that for this years model (unfortunately they still have a shared heatpipe or you run the CPU at a lower power setting or 90W but with normal turbo limits and not just use 90W as long as you want all day long), then this is probably one of the best 'off the shelf' gaming laptops, considering value etc, you can get in the UK, and the 300Hz Gsync screen you now get compared to my 144Hz Gsync, is just icing.
I got the same model as yours but i cant overclock my gpu as he did on his super version. Can you tell me how much did u add on base clock n memory since we both got same model. Thanks
@@AT93x GPU is on curve in afterburner. Works out around +125-150 from memory. Memory is set to +800 IIRC PS I since found out the pre-installed thermal paste is junk. Cleaned it out and replaced with MX4 and dropped my temps by a solid ten degrees on average on both CPU and GPU. Now CPU runs in 70s/80s gaming, and GPU runs in 60-70s. Pretty decent! And that's with the OC!
I am greatly interested in this laptop however there are two things that bug me: 1. Is there any chance they might launch the refreshed design for the 17-inch model as with the 15-inch one? This design has been around for 3 years now and looks pretty old. Now we have the new design on both Omen towers and 15-inch models with the new logo so I cannot see the logic of not upgrading the 17-inch ones. Do you think that might happen fairly soon? 2. On a different topic we have the RTX 3000 series GPUs likely to be announced in a couple of weeks now. While there might be some gap until 3000 series laptops are released (I would guess Q1 or Q2 2021) it might be interesting to get your views on this in another video and whether it might me worth the wait for laptops. For example depending on the sources I will read on one hand that current GPUs are likely to drop in price OR to rise in price once the 3000 series is announced (as they would stop the production). What would happen for current 2000 series laptops like this one? Price drop or price hike? Thanks!
1) I honestly do not know of that new design is planned for the 17”. If I did I’d happily comment on it. I’d worry about overall sturdiness of the newer design at a 17” device. I will definitely talk about the 3k series once there’s the concrete evidence I’m looking for. Before 2k series did the same thing.
Hey Bob, love your reviews by the way. I had a question about gaming performance in this laptop. How does it perform when compared to a 2080 max-p laptop. I haven't been able to find a video on comparing the 2080 max-p to the 2080 super max-p. Thanks!!
Bob, do you think HP choosing to go with a 6 core vs 8 core CPU (say the 10875 or something) is going to cause any issues for gaming down the road once the new, more powerful consoles come out? Spending this much money on a laptop, I'd want to make sure it remains relevant for a number of years. Great review, BTW!
That’s been the conversation since 2013 and we’re still good. 6 cores without hyper threading or 4 core/8 thread is still great for most titles out there. The biggest thing to consider with next gen consoles is the fact that they’re going for high resolution first, 60fps second. Unless they go postal with AI and physics, I’m not sure if we’re going to exhaust 6c/12t anytime soon.
I just unboxed mine today! Only difference is it the 17t model with an only red backlit keyboard. This one was sold from 1900 and said it had a 300hz panel...what it didn't say was that it was also G-Sync! Oh hell yeah. Awesome laptop! This is the one i bought www.newegg.com/p/2WC-0001-018Y3?Item=9SIA7ABBMT3985
Bob, not sure if you give heneral advice but is there a rig you would recommend over this omen? My budget is up to 3k and im rather hot on thermal performance (pun intended). I cant seem to find a reason to caugh up another grand for a rog or area 51 to get essentially same spec ? Or am i missing some detail and realistically that 50% increase in spend would net 50 % ish increase in performance. Thanks in advance if you find a minute to reply and greetings from the 🇬🇧.
I got an Asus Strix G512LW with the 2070, and just saw this today on Xotic's store for the same price with a 2070 Super. I might just have to return/sell the G512 and get this instead.
200 watts would have been better, but still nowhere close to the recommended 600-650 watts for desktop. I actually believe that at some point in the near future the power supply issue of gaming laptops will be solved but there will be trade-offs for sure. Exciting stuff coming out, i can feel it.
@@BobOfAllTrades wow .. that's something.. hopefully more interesting stuff will come out, i just love gaming laptops even though i know for sure they can't compete with desktop, at least for now
