HS2 Euston Demolition Works 

And France is connecting Paris on the high speed TGV to Barcelona via Bordeaux and Toulouse. The national rail service from Paris is pretty good. TGV to Montpellier in under 4 hours.

Stephen Saunders .. the biggest White Elephant this country has EVER experienced .. it will NEVER come to fruition despite the billions that have already been spent - mark my words.

James Monks construction work starts tomorrow!

@@SteveInskip .. it's irrelevant when the work STARTS .. I can guarantee it'll never FINISH because of spiralling costs & environmental damage .. the whole project will be cancelled LONG before the expected completion date.

James Monks I should have a bet on that if I was that confident. You might get good odds.

Cool: Put your pics up on Flickr. :-)

Yeah, that hurt seeing that! The only authentic pub in the area. Oh you can walk a few metres and have a soul destroying Refinery visit. YAY! Hurrah for mediocrity.

I am best mates with the owners' son, and my family know them very well. Many happy memories in that place 😥

@@jordansclancy I was there on the last day they were open a few years ago. That was a fine pub!

@@OldUKAds The other decent pubs are the Euston Tap in the listed blockhouses outside Euston and the Exmouth Arms. There's also the Resting Hare round the corner. I'd recommend the Euston Tap (the original one over the East Lodge) which, TBH, I always preferred to the Bree Louise once the Tap had opened.

And now add in November/December 2020 as well?

Most of them were dumped in a canal I believe. Several others missing.

they were dumped in a hole in the lee valley canel and found when dregring to deepenit for the olmypics as far as remember most have been found and are stored somewhere hopefuly someone at HS2 will see sence and put it back

@@goodwood-rc4nx There was also quite a lot stored in the demolition contractors garden !

Oh dear god. While not rebuild cholera while we're at it.

This has been discussed and investigated many times. Most of the stones have been broken up and used as rubble for infill all over the place. A few were kept as garden ornaments.

much like the old British Rail extension at the front of King's Cross did

@@alexhardiman8582 which apparently was temporary. 50 years or so I wouldn't call temporary!

Euston, the Penn Station of London. Though it's still slightly airier than rats (commuters) running around in tubes under an arena. Still disappointing getting off a Caledonian Sleeper and waking up to this.

@@ahqhue So many of the main Terminal stations are being developed to cater for such a huge increase in passenger numbers over the last 10 years or so. Waterloo, Kings Cross, St. Pancras, Euston all far too small or were using the space badly. Euston always feels huge when you go down onto the platforms, but the station concourse itself is like a shoe box.

@@ahqhue it is beyond a doubt the worst London Terminal. Even tiny Marylebone has character. It is definitely an opportunity missed not to rebuild the station. Close it for a month like they did with Waterloo.

Why not get your wallet out and make HS2 an offer?

let's just demolish big ben while we're at it to install some new toilets.

@@ijulesy Demolished Big Ben?? That an iconic listed building, London be dead without the clock and also I beleive it going digital soon.

Cameron Bell Big Ben is a bell on not a building. You are referring to the clock tower of the Palace of Westminster, which was recently named the Elizabeth Tower.

@@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 I believe he was being sarcastic...

Pretty sure the HS2 plans rebuild the whole station rather than just bolting a bit onto the side

Birmingham is a boring shithole nothing special about the segregated city with no character or charm or sense of community.

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Closed north of Drummond Street when I was there, may be further south now.

Not just a future, a better future for all. I can see sunny days coming, hope you can too.

it better be taken down brick by brick rather than a wrecking ball. That is a valuable irreplaceable shell that could be rebuilt somewhere else.

It is, but let's be frank it's been an abandoned building with some red tiles on. It's not a tube station, and hasn't been for ages.

I think those blood-red stations are hideous. There are plenty more of them as they were a standard design. This one is a neglected and decrepit example. Just save its tiles for any repairs needed on the others.

@Thegamer2000 How much quicker is it? From what I've heard it isn't much.

@@sophiepoyser4731 32 minutes (81 minutes now to 49 minutes) for Birmingham (it's just shy of an hour for Manchester with phase 2b: 126 minutes to 68 minutes), but it's the capacity boost that's most important. Birmingham gets a minimum of another 1500 passengers/hour able to travel to London - which will mostly provide the knock on effect of more capacity for people of intermediate destinations like Coventry, Rugby, Milton Keynes and Watford to travel to London or Birmingham (and likewise for other cities).

I think it's more about adding capacity rather than making train journeys faster. And if you're going to build a new train line, you might as well build a high speed one.

Not forgetting of course that trains also operate to Birmingham from Marylebone where no doubt there is room for extra capacity. Not everyone wants to travel from Euston.

@@peterclark8408 There's room on the Chiltern Mainline? that's a big surprise. They are going to build a spur to OOC to boost the middle distance services as there's no space at Marylebone for expansion. The inner stations have the worst service in Greater London as there's not the paths for trains to there stop more often. About all you can do is make the trains less comfortable, in order to squeeze more in and perhaps add another carriage to them. 15-20% and you still don't really deal with Birmingham-London traffic getting in the way of more regional traffic to the two cities.

They never have been. UK history is replete with incidences of old burial ground being moved (or simply ignored and just built over.). For a recent example look no further that Crossrail at Liverpool Street. Part of St James Gardens was previously moved when Euston was expanded in the past. This also isn't peculiar to rail scheme - roads, houses, schools, hospitals, shops, you name it, have impacted on old burial grounds.

Yes that’s true.

70humdinger 2026 Phase 1, 2033 Phase 2

You will be pleasantly surprised. The project will run ahead of schedule, it will run under budget and will deliver a cheaper alternative to using cars , high speed service and the most reliable service in the world. I guarantee it.

The future looks good.

Because serving those journeys with a high quality pedestrian link between Euston and St Pancras can be done for a fraction of the cost. And with the benefit of also improving stuff for some of the 95% of HS2 passengers who wouldn't travel through London on HS1 (eg connecting better with Thameslink), rather than penalising some of them by stealing an HS2 path from places like Stafford and Stoke and still not give central Birmingham, Liverpool, York, Newcastle, Preston or Scotland direct through services to Kent and France (where there would also be select destinations). Many of the 5% would find it better to make the change in London than use the through trains - take a frequent service to London from a wide number of Northern/Midlands destinations, change there for a full range of Kentish/Continental destinations also running frequently vs, if your city isn't one of the lucky ones, having to change onto an infrequent direct service at somewhere like Crewe or OOC, and then again at Stratford International or Lille if that end isn't one of the select destinations. Greengauge's model for a link had about a third of the passenger numbers walking Stratford-Stratford International (but assumed that the similar Euston-St Pancras distance was too far) despite the change available at Old Oak Common (they had people travelling from Canary Wharf via Stratford to HS2, rather than just taking the direct service to OOC), and a different rough third of traffic being Kent-OOC traffic that then went to destinations in the SE like Reading, Heathrow or Milton Keynes - they were clutching at straws trying to justify it. Or do you mean a death-trap Euston Cross? a vast cavern down deep that would still struggle to be large enough for the number of people boarding/alighting - not just in terms of crowd management, but also in terms of dwell times as most of a 500+ capacity intercity train disembarks and fills up again within the 5 minutes that a 6-platform layout would allow.

There is still the possibility of doing this at Old Oak Common so you can go direct from Birmingham to Paris. There just doesn't seem to be the demand for it though.

@@hairyairey with the Brexit farce and xenophobia, I don't think the two lines will ever be connected. Shame , a lost opportunity

@@dgattenb you mean with the media cashing in on Brexit hype? There's plenty of companies setting up in business here, possibly because here they won't have to pay EU tariffs.

@@hairyairey oh boy

in your back garden.

Geoffrey Lee They’re recovering the tile work for use on other tube stations in the same style (of which there are many), there isn’t exactly anywhere else it can go

Pretty exactly the same station exists in many other places. It was a standard design. Used at Edgware Rd, Oxford Circus, Green Park, Lambeth North, E&C, Holloway Rd, Caledonian Rd, York Rd, Russel Sq, Aldwych, Kentish Town ... the list goes on, about twenty more. Try "Leslie Green" in Wikipedia. Thye are all ugly anyway.

If you mean "closed for X months/years for HS2 construction work" then no. If you mean "will there be some weekend/Xmas/etc. closures" then yes. Indeed there already have been as they rejigged some of the existing track in preparation, though often this was done in concert with closures for other (non-HS2) works. The basic plan is to build 6 new HS2 lines "offline" alongside (to the west) of the existing station negating the need for large numbers of closures, open the new HS2 platforms and transfer service to them, then close 5 of the existing western Euston platforms, clear them away and build another 5 HS2 platforms. It's unsure yet what will happen to the rest of the station (as it's not HS2's remit to redevelop the rest of the station) but the Mayor, Network Rail, et al are developing plans and lobbying for the money.

But remember, a small sacrifice for a better tomorrow.

The money is being spent wisely for your benefit, all the profits will be reinvested in the railways for a golden tomorrow. Wait and see. You won't be disappointed.

No

There have been some proposals, but it's not part of the current plans

Not had a better pie in London than that place.

Couldn't agree more. Great pub booze and great pies, sadly now gone :-(

Only decent pub in that area 😢

If by "they" you mean HS2, then no they won't. HS2 do not have the remit or the money to rebuild Euston beyond what is required to avail HS2. To rebuild the rest of the station (and any other redevelopment that might be considered worthy) the Mayor, Camden, Network Rail et al have to put a plan together and lobby for the funding (which I believe some or all of them are doing.)

@0:28 when he refers to "West" (and which I think you are referring to), the map is conventionally oriented with North at the top. It would only need to be indicated if it were anything otherwise. The plan @0:24 does not have North to the top, but it is an architect's plan, not a map.

@@dukenukem5768 Then I stand corrected and withdraw my comment above :)

Construction for it hasn't begun, but it might be in the future. If HS2 opens, Crossrail 2 opens. Crossrail 1 is for the same reason: to serve HS1.

@@onlinefriend3889 is crossrail 2 actually necessary though? If you restore the line between Bedford and Sandy then services from the North can terminate at Clapham Junction. Reducing cross-london journeys is surely a better use of resources.

I don't think Crossrail2 is even off the drawing board yet, certainly it hasn't secured funding. London haters will be positively apoplectic at the circa 35Bn price for Crossrail2 being spent "only in London."

@@davecardboard9567 £15 billion for Crossrail. But at least it serves a useful purpose. Crossrail2 is the bypass for the congested Victoria line which was the bypass for the congested Piccadilly line. Maybe we should look instead to making our existing lines 4 track?

@@hairyairey Or you could convert the Northern City line to tube tunnel and connect them to the Northern (Bank branch) line from north of Old Street or Moorgate. That way, there'll be better connection from ECML passengers at Finsbury Park. That's one of my several solution instead of Crossrail 2

Not very likely - new bespoke trains are planned, whose design is not constrained by having to run on 19th century infrastructure.

In fairness, current plans for the first tranche of rolling stock are that it is all going to be "Conventional Compatible" so that it can run off HS2 at Lichfield onto the existing lines an onward to destinations further north.

Even if it did, the HS2 Phase 1 Act of Parliament would have dis-applied it's listed status, as elsewhere on the route.

Grade status isn't set in stone - it only means you need to get more people to agree before you can alter it (demolition being an extreme form of alteration)

Technically, yes. Your point?

@@OldUKAds and what do you mean by ''your point ''

Harry Jmcandrew Yes, just like the Titanic.

Mat Samuel That’s not what it is though

And they should call you "Mat 'Lacks Vision' Samuel".

Mat Samuel, You should take a trip to Euston Station and see how many people actually uses the station, it is packed, Even the Underground is at full capacity, We need a railway fitted for the 21st Century, so if it mean getting there much quicker, So be it , the HS2 is happening whether you like it or not.

No contracts have been placed yet, but the plan is to have at total of about sixty trains, of two types - a "captive" type built to the full HS2 loading gauge to run between London and the Birmingham branch, and a "classic compatible" type to allow operation on to Manchester etc. (compare the original class 373 Eurostars which had to be capable of operating on the legacy network, and the later class 374s which are confined, in the UK, to HS1). The latter may also have tilt. Who knows what new technology will be available in eight years' time? - eight years ago the latest things were class 378 and 380, both obsolete designs now. (Overground now has 710s on order, Scotrail has its 385s)

Norbiton Flyer Although after Phase 2 is completed Manchester and Leeds services will use the captive type trains

Unless it has changed recently, I read that all the phase 1 rolling stock is going to be "Conventional Compatible" - there won't be any dedicated GC gauge "HS2 only" stock. The latter isn't being entertained until phase 2 (and then probably phase 2B.) One wonders whether someone in future will come up the idea of having a "single type" fleet and give up on HS2 dedicated stock if the budgets are looking tight. I guess there's a good few years yet for that to all play out.

I thought "they" had decided (at this stage) not to bother with any tilting stock as it isn't necessary on the HS lines and the extra mass and reduced cabin space to accommodate tilt would (respectively) increase the operating costs and decrease the seating capacity. I recall a debate where someone then complained that as a result, when HS2 CC stock ran onto the existing WCML, there would be places where it would be running at slower speeds that the existing Pendelino's!

Dave Cardboard I don’t imagine it would be many places as the Pendolinos rarely get up to 125mph anyway and mostly operate at

HS2 got royal assent only 2 years ago

Sure but when the project starts to role, you will see how efficiently it works out i.e. under budget, ahead of planned opening, world class signalling and high speed trains that won't keep breaking down and will get a power supply that won't keep breaking down either. In short, you can expect a cheap alternative to using cars, better than Japanese, Chinese or German reliability and above all, the trains won't be affected by heat or snow. I'm excited, you should be too 🙌

The original scheme had a single tunnel between St Pancras (roughly end of HS1) to Old Oak Common. They "deleted" it from the scheme because they reckoned there was not enough passenger demand for trains to/from Europe to/from north of London, it saved them a bit of money and appeased a load of Camden residents. It also means trainsets from Europe do not need to be compatible with the signalling system planned for HS2 (or vice versa.)

@@davecardboard9567 If the new line HS2 is all 'new' then surely it would be compatible with HS1 and therefore all signalling [which is in cab], would be the same. Enginering consistency, trainsets and signalling, should be compatible as used on all HS networks in Europe. Population of Greater London say 12M, but combined up north population is much more. Otherwise it seems a shame not to have straight through running. Many thanks for your information.

nasty nick It’s on top of where the platforms are meant to be. It’s more to do with capacity, so you can actually make it on the train, not just get there faster

The site of this old tube station (closed in 1907) and all the other buildings in that locale are essentially about to become a big hole in the ground into which HS2 platforms and service basement are going to be constructed. It's simply impractical to try and "build round it." They could maybe save to street level facades and relocate them, but no one is stepping up to buy it (yet.) There's plenty of other examples of the same architecture in London (both abandoned and still in use.)

Dave Cardboard I just think it’s a Shame that’s all

Cool story bro.Also he pronounced it right, the region is called San-tender. I think it's been weirdly anglicised with the dare.

@@OldUKAds look it up on forvo, every speaker says it the other way.

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Thomas Sturges-Allard Compared to the disruption without it, it’s nothing

Even worse by road along the South Coast.

i completely agree, if i want to go from Ashford (Kent) to Brighton or Portsmouth i have to wast soo much time going North to London just to come back down south again at an angle.. if they upgraded the lines between Ashford and Eastbourne and started using proper Trains and not these bumpy *and frankly useless at peak time* 2 car DMUs we could improve the south East - West connection allowing access to Kent from Hampshire Via Sussex without going via London's overcrowded network.. all by upgrading a short section of track

the west coast mainline and euston station are absurdly inadequate for the amount of people that constantly use it. it’s such trash when you compare it to the rail services to other parts of the uk