Huge IGN "Failure" Exposed, Why Zoella Is Being Called a Scammer, and EA Comes Under Fire... 

Philip DeFranco screw them both

EA

Philip DeFranco neither.

Philip DeFranco Ea so i can get lootboxes that fund great games like star wars battlefront 2015

Neither. Both are hot garbage.

Honestly, this is the worst part of the whole thing. How can you even get so scummy?

Wait, isn't there customer protection against not being able to refund for something you haven't got yet? Shouldn't that apply to pre-orders?

To be clear, they removed the refund button on their page. You can still call them up and get a refund. Takes a lot longer and is bad on their part

So they made it harder wow.

If you understood how the EA page works, the refund button only shows up on the actual release date of the game, meaning if you want to return it wait till the 17th

Can't spell meal without EA, i don't know what it means tho

Another word you can't spell without EA is cheat.

The Ace Of Spades Nothing new, EA always done this. FIFA, you could buy in game currency and then buy packs to get better players.

Plunder.

Loot.

EmzaO she just said something about it, the prices aren't up to her its up to the retailer selling her stuff

people can charge what ever they want especially for a brand, a picture of a guy on a horse (ralph laruen) stiched onto the corner of a shirt goes for way over priced then it should. Also Zoe had no control of the price.

The fact that it doesn't tell you what you're getting is what's bullshit about it.

lafxcraft- It does, at Boots.com. By the way, Zoella or someone else said "there's a sucker borne every minute". Oh, right P.T. Barnum said it.

Vanessa V -- that isn't an excuse though. She and the people that help manger her business dealings should have made sure that they have input or veto power as it relates to pricing, as well as other controls, and if they didn't get certain controls that would help ensure quality and satisfaction with the product and/or promotion, then they shouldn't have done the deal to begin with. Claiming you don't have control or claiming ignorance is not an excuse -- she should have known and she should have had more control over the promotion. This hopefully is a learning lesson to her, and it may also be a wake-up call that she may also need to get different people around her to help manage her business dealings, because this one was a clear failure. I would never give my name/brand over to any promotion without knowing every intricate detail of it, and neither should anyone else. If you do, you deserve some blame (and should humbly accept the blame as well) if there is understandable backlash due to the customer being shortchanged in some way.

Exactly. I had a civil disagreement with one of my friends over this and my point was you wouldn't expect everyone just to believe the victim coming forth saying "this person murdered my dad" or something like that. Everyone would look to that person and ask for proof, evidence. Rape is hard because the evidence is only there for a short amount of time. And that's what makes it so harmful. But I feel if we put more effort into teaching girls (and boys too!) what to do if something like this happens to them, that they should go to the hospital straight away after, then things could improve. An allegation isn't enough. Which is unfortunate, but just because someone claims they were raped doesn't mean it's true. Especially now adays where we have people accusing others just to ruin their lives/careers.

I've definitely creeped girls out before, and frankly it was because I just want to be liked by beautiful women. Not all of them of course, that's ridiculous. But I can't help it sometimes. I just want to be liked. And if a girl who looks like Kallie (like at 0:54) shared personal info with me regularly, it would really give me sense of worth. And I know I'm not supposed to hold other's opinion of me as my personal view of my own worth, but I get worn down sometimes and I'm just like "Dang, I wish I had someone like that," who doesn't really think much of me. "Oh, I view you as a 'mentor'." Yeah, "thanks." And to but blunt and rude (sorry to him), a guy like Vincent Probably hasn't had hardly any attention from women at all. Although, I have no clue, really. Sometimes I'll see some girl on the internet or TV or something and go "Wow, she so beautiful..." and imagine what it'd be to talk to her about things I think about sometimes. Similar to how Vincent told Kallie that "Men don't like skinny girls. You're perfect" and she would appreciate that. But I know that's weird and simply will never happen. But it still makes me said. But that's how it is. Sorry this was weird/creepy, but I was a bursting bubble just wanting to get this out.

@James Russell: There's a difference between using lame chat up lines / bad flirting and sexual harassment. That girl just needs to learn the damn difference. (I say this as a woman). So please don't worry about telling someone they're pretty or whatever, just try and pick up on social cues to be sure you're not making someone uncomfortable. If you think you might be, back off. It's straight forward.

I agree with you. I've always had trouble with people. I partly boil it down to my parents not having social skills, and therefore can't teach me something that that they don''t know themselves. But step by step, am I right?

I understand this comment is 2 months old but I'm just coming upon it now and I have to say it's a bit brilliant. I'm not a feminist but as a leftist I'm sympathetic to feminism (or any ideology advocating for oppressed minorities). And I'm more than happy men like Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and Bill Cosby are being justly crucified. But the last month or so I've personally become very uncomfortable with how closely the MeToo-Movement is inching towards "Salem Witch Trial"-territory. This IGN-story is a fine example. Clearly the dude-in-question is a creepazoid who needs to work on his boundaries (not unlike your creepy baby-present-buying coffee-customer). But shutting the whole joint down and not working because HR wouldn't go ahead with axing him (or whatever they would've preferred) is, frankly, disturbing. I actually give a shit about the MeToo-Movement, a just movement, and would rather not see it brought down by a precipitous loss of credibility. I remain hopeful but wary.

Tyler Channell exactly! It would be like shouting at a puppy for pissing on the rug 3 days later. If they don’t know what you want them to stop doing they’re obviously going to keep repeating the same mistakes.

Exactly!!

That ....... is exactly how I was thinking about the story. But IGN pussied out and apologized anyway.

I kinda feel like we're going to be seeing a lot of this for awhile. Also I kinda don't blame them for trying to protect their brand, with this # boycott everything culture we have in 2017.

Exactly! I believe Plagge when she says she FELT harassed, but I also believe she never showed any signs of feeling this way to Ingenito himself. Because for some reason, people tend to act like everything is fine and then go behind each others backs.

It's less about how he handled it and more about how the company handled it. She brought up she was unconfortable. He was her boss. If my boss flirted with me Id be pretty uncomfortable too. Everyone has the right to feel comfortable at work. The fact that the company came back and put the blame on her was wrong. Saying if she wasn't a women with big boobs this wouldn't be a problem.

toddydog3 he wasn't her boss. You don't have a right to be comfortable at work.

BUT SHE'S ANXIOUS NOW... NOW THAT POOR THING HAS TO EAT DOUBLE OF HER USUAL DOSE OF BENZOS

Oh, you don't ? Because you do. That's why harassment is forbidden.

People aren't saying he should. The story is more about IGN's handling not the guy.

Containing 12 pencils all with the name 'Philip' on them at a cost of 100 pounds

Dauntless I'd buy it

The pencils can have the background pillow pattern. Lol

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Oh snap. Yes. This needs to happen

I don't get it either...

Jake Bowen the solution is to go to the police or sue them. Done simple then after that has proven the person guilty then you can go to social media.

EXACTLY. That's why, as bad as this sounds, we have to assume these women are lying from the get-go. Because any ex-girlfriend who carries a grudge can do a lot of damage by simply making the allegation. If we assume she's lying, then that doesn't happen. If she's not lying, great, dude gets punished and we're all good. If she is, also great, she gets tried for defamation. Problem solved.

I agree, when something becomes a trend there is the possibility of people making false accusations for attention as we have seen in the past for false hate crimes. It is sad but true. For the first story, I am kinda leery of the sexual harassment, especially since there was a lot of personal text between the two people. Male and female friends can sometimes make sexual jokes between one another and sometimes one person can take it too far that makes the other person uncomfortable without knowing. I'm not saying he's not guilty but I can see a possible misunderstanding in this situation that made the company say it was both parties fault for not staying professional at work.

Fair points, but I think this trend is a result of how ineffective the standard route often is. Look at all the women who watched Bill Cosby go untouched for decades. In principal, I think this social media accusation trend is wrong, but I still recognize the reality that the alternative is often fruitless for victims. And all that said, this IGN one sounds fishy. I don't doubt she felt the way she felt, but his behavior doesn't sound beyond the pale to me, either. Man, this stuff is rough to sort out.

I completely agree with you there, but I’ve noticed that in a lot of these cases the victims actually did go to authorities, be it HR or the police, before making it public. When going to authorities didn’t work, they sort of gave up on getting justice until now, when social media has given them a safer/more effective way to get their voices heard. Doesn’t change the public crucifixion of alleged attackers without trial, though. Since it takes so long before these cases actually come to court and go on trial, the public has gotten used to deciding on their own, which is potentially dangerous. And social media makes it easier than ever to spread and find information related to the case, making people feel that they’re opinion is justified even if they are working with limited information/evidence.

Real talk. Seems like shes just trying to cash in on her popularity.

Is there something wrong with it? Mine keeps doing that too for weeks crashing randomly within 10min so I thought it's my PC

KesumaofEO Mine was doing the same thing for a few days. I uninstalled and reinstalled everything and it was still crashing. Apparently one issue was that NRaas updated their mods recently (my mods were working fine without updating until this issue occurred), the game stopped identifying my graphics card so I had to tweak Graphics Rules and something else.. A .dll file disappeared, and some cc randomly corrupted. It still crashes when I try to save the game sometimes, but I think it's because I leave the game open for hours before.

Shitaria Jackson my pc caight fire trying to run sims 3. Its an old potato

Shitaria Jackson try cleaning cache files

Amen. I feel way worse for this guy than I do for her. Kinda reminds me of shirtgate all over again.

👏🏾

Michelle Nguyen that makes no sense. Its her product. So of course it would have her name on it. But the pricing is the retailer’s choice. They are literally two different things

Dude your comment made me fell quite happy. Those to lines 'was sexual harassment at all" line up perfectly... WELL DONE

Nah, if it was unwanted attention, it was... but like the lowest form of it. Don't get me wrong, that's still not right, but when the conversation is rape, sexual assault and industry wide cover ups, it's not really the time to dilute that conversation and start talking about flirting in the workplace just because the guy works for a rival media company

Yes, its tragicomical.

Fake fake fake Lina.

something drives this frivolity... unscrupulous attorneys, perhaps.

As a human being, I feel obligated to defend other human beings, regardless of gender; and this includes people accused without evidence.

TiagoTiago Agreed! Does not matter if you are a girl, boy or man, woman. I feel obligated to defend any human being, not just "Women".

Sorry you were not raped and public opinion being against you and them. I hate typing on phones.

Preach!

Rebecca Miller I was sexually abused when I was younger, I know this type of stuff happens. But all of these modern cases of "sexual harassment" are females being told that if a guy talks to you that is harassment, so they are blowing things out of proportion. They assume everyone has taken their women studies course that didn't exist 5 years ago and comes from the same mentality of "all men are sexist". These women are not traumatized, they are just told they can get benefits and attention or free things or special treatment just for being a victim. And modern culture promotes this victim claiming. The media tries so hard to latch onto all cases of a female claiming to be abused by a male and so does social media. When I was growing up men would make compliments and it was understood as a compliment. Now if a man dares to speak to a woman it can be sexual harassment if any woman decides it is. And this is not progress. Nobody benefits fro this, least of all women who learn they can just complain to an authority figure who fights all their wrongs. They do not have to learn to put on their big girl pants and deal with things in life.

degen83 I agree with you. Saying or doing something to a child. Physically molesting or groping or out n out physical assault is wrong. Threatening you about work or hiring you is wrong. Sorry most guys are over grown children who think telling a woman she is beautiful by saying, " Nice Ass Baby!" Is not sexual harrassment it childish on the male part n over grown emotions on the female. Yes it makes you uncomfortable but you don't ruin someone's life or career over it. Again people sticks n stones break bones words don't hurt you physically. If a man says something that makes you uncomfortable say it to him..."I don't like or feel that comment was needed let's keep it professional." Make sure you say or write it down hell if you have to record it but handle it right there n then. In this case she did but he felt there was evidence it went both ways. Don't just share your experience because all are on the band wagon to do it. Again any one who had this done to them under age of consent should speak out. But grown ass adult women grow up. A guy telling you he wishes he could get his youth back n "go all night" is not sexual harrassment unless he tells you to your face he wants you to help him try to do that. In this report nothing like that was said. You felt uncomfortable you reported it you felt unsatisfied bringing it up years later because a creep like Harvey w or Kevin S are finally caught doesn't make you a hero it makes you an attention seeking child. And you diminish the real victims and make their stories seem like not a problem. Perfect example 4 year old in a bath tub grown uncle comes in touches the kis then shoves his appendage in said kids mouth is wrong and soul scaring being told your beautiful and he would like to be able to go all night is just him being a jerk and you saying you were afraid of losing your job but you still went to he n they investigated and found you both responsible isn't a crime. It's just being petty. And for those interested that was one of my first memories my grandmother caught him then bought my silence with toys. As an adult I found out he had raped my older sister when she was 7. That's sexual assault and having to meet him at family gatherings n be nice is a bitch but you service it. Happy ending to my story he lost his family, his home and income and walked in front of a train. Karma is a bitch.

One of my first memories was being abused in a foster home by an older kid there. I was doing what I thought was ok but looking back at it it totally was sexual abuse. So i Know this happens, but teaching women and girls that when a guy compliments you that is harassment is not helping. The message it is sending to guys is don't talk to women, and it is not teaching girls that there is a healthy way to talk to boys and that not all boys are just waiting to sexually harass you. If someone says they are abused we need to investigate and gather evidence. If there is, we need to have the processes in place so we can hold them accountable for what they did. But if there is no proof we cannot just assume guilt based on no evidence, or just because the accuser is female and the accused is male, that is just sexism plain and simple and if we are trying to progress to where there is no sexism than nonsense institutionalized sexism like that has no place and must be called out, exposed, and ended when it happens. A man complimenting you is not harassment. A man saying nice tits is not appropriate for the workplace, but a man saying nice tits on the street is not harassment unless he walks up to and makes a lot of those types of comments or he starts touching. It is not going to get him any dates but I take it as a compliment from someone who doesn't know how to talk to girls and less of an attack on me. A man saying nice ass or nice body is not by default harassment. It is not polite to say that but it is just like when we think to a guy nice ass or nice abs or nice chest, the same thing so why is one harassment but not the other? If one is, both are, but if both are then everyone is sexually harassing every hot person they see every day and that gets quickly out of hand and absurd. But touching, exposing, and even some of the more lewd comments if they just keep coming, and some comments even if they are told just once is harassment. We need to teach the difference to people so they do not just have a bad day and do cry harassment. If you have consensual sex with someone and later regret it, that is not rape, the person is not a bad person because it was consensual at the time, consent cannot be retroactively retracted. I am so sorry that happened to you and your sister and family. That is why we need to investigate these claims but maintain innocent until proven guilty. If there is no proof then there should be no legal consequences. Of course if it happens and there is no proof you should distance yourself and not be around them, but it is better than the logical conclusion of just accepting peoples words in criminal cases without proof where everyone who wants something accuses another of stealing and they can just take their stuff, or they get into an argument and accuse the other person of a crime that never happened and the police put the other one in prison. I would rather we have a burden of proof before punishment and we do not just accept someones word as truth because they are female.

Sam Lemke Agreed, AT LEAST keep that option open and do investigation, and keep an open mind until then. Communication between men and women is complicated for many and misunderstandings arise easily. This should be taken into account. I also think the response from the accused showed a lot of empathy for the girl, he seemed very understanding and distraught. That can be an act, but again, let's have an open mind instead of a witch hunt. (I'm also blaming the girl for anything at all, her feelings may have been very much justified. I'm just saying that we should be open to the idea that this wasn't the intent behind the actions of that man. It could even be that he was attracted to her, misinterpreted her signals and acted in a clumsy way. I think training for men, women and management on how to deal with this kind of situation would be smart.)

And the manager and that "damage control" reply shouldn't get time on this show, it's the same BS as always which simply relieves them from responsibility from a lawyer perspective. Just link to the reply, they're empty words. I get why it's covered but my suggestion is to ignore it or keep it brief. Let's focus on the actual problem.

it's about the fact it happened at work, not the fact that it was inappropriate in general... the work place is not a dating site and he was making things awkward for a coworker.

Sounds fishy to me.

AND the 2nd most downvoted comment literally asked to be downvoted

Juggurosh That is absolutely outrageous.

Juggurosh you monster

+Juggurosh That's just sad, and far too typical of the modern day. People will judge someone guilty based on accusations rather than proof.

Especially with that meet up scam she was involved in I think it was called hello world makes her look worse

ɪᴍᴀɢɪɴᴀʀʏꜰᴀɴʙoʏ so true,before I buy anything I watch at least a couple videos to confirm that it's worth getting

The diabetes comment made my day! :)

Good plan.

Just as a side note, man the way youtube has changed my life - I totally do the same. Like even buying a new phone this year. I know it's basically going to be the same as every other smartphone I've bought in the last 6 years, but still sooner check it out on YT than get harassed by an 18 year old on commission checking it out in a phone store. Similarly I don't think I've had to buy a technical book or pay for a handyman/repair for anything other than a car service in about 5 years lol. Thank you rando's of youtube!

Me too. These advent calendars remind me of all these videos of eBay mystery boxes lol. But all of her items look like dollar store/target dollar store cheapy items.

Rishi Arun the problem lies with HR, regardless of whether or not he actually harassed her she obviously felt uncomfortable and did the right thing by taking it up with HR, all they have to do is look into it and resolve it or what most do is just sperate them and have them no longer work together because usually when someone you work with or work under makes you uncomfortable you feel embarrassed and don't want to speak to them because it's awkward and you feel bad even, sometimes they can make you feel ashamed which is why HR is there. to help employees be comfortable and happy, healthy etc.

Rishi Arun women are emotional creatures, so to them everything that does not make them feel good is sexsual harrasment, Rape, etc.

Rishi Arun for that reason ia why islamic laws state that a womans testimony ia only worth half of a mans.

Rishi Arun best part is this will affect women in the long run. Men will not talk with them or ask them out. Hell women are now more likely to not receive CPR. Emotional thinking never gets you any where.

Rishi Arun yup

With so many accusations coming out lately it would be wrong to not be a bit cautious these days.

No dude, you're right for feeling that way unfortunately

Working in a school this is my second biggest concern (even a false accusation could end my career for life and I'm still young). My biggest being dealing with the everyday crap my students have to go through because of where they live. That said, I don't let my concern for such things interfere with giving my kids the best education I can. So if a kid needs to stay after for extra help, they'll get it. I'm just careful.

One lesson you should learn, never work with women. That's just my personal belief.

Why would anyone accuse you of anything ? What have you done ?

Agreed, mate.

But Zoella should have only done the deal if she would know what the price will be, and if she doesn't agree with the pricing, than the deal doesn't happen. If you sell over your name/brand for a promotion, and you aren't aware of every aspect of that promotion, there is a good amount of blame that you deserve. Claiming ignorance is not an excuse.

Unfortunately we don't know how much information Zoella had at the time or her intentions behind the calendar and why she waited so long to speak out which us why this story is blowing up as much as it is. The only things we have to base our views on are the opinions, facts and judgements made by consumers, retailers, management and Zoella which will nearly always conclude in a bias result.

mimimi I understand completely where you are coming from I just think that for something that she is incredibly proud of why would she not have access to the information to the pricing? Even if she didn't the consumers were quick to pass negative judgement on that aspect and I just find it hard to believe that she didn't know about it until now making it hard for me to believe that she is as upset about the product as she claims. Obviously I could be completely wrong but like I said it's frustrating cause we will most likely never know the true story.

Half of RU-vid is about marketing. Now let's get over it and sing along to my song parody "How it REALLY is" (on my channel) ;-) I am sure you will love it

Looollll just like how she was “involved” in writing her books?? (She has a ghost writer if you didn’t know).

You just won

"YOU DONT KNOW THE POWER OF MICRO-PURCHASES!"

Internet gold.

Gus Woolf hi my iPads glitches I have to comment sorry

Gus Woolf YOU WERE MEANT TO DESTROY THE PAID EMOJIS, NOT BECOME THEM!

Osama Bin Fappin i guess it's harassment unless you are attractive

No no it's easy, you have to be attractive :) apparently that's how it is nowadays. I feel sad as a fellow woman. The IGN story is part of the reason why we can't tell which sexual harassment allegations can be trusted and not. Kallie "accepted" Vincent's apology and thanked him for being considerate. I'm sorry if I'm being harsh but I've been taught that it's called being a snake.

I don't think you can call it a scam. Seriously, you're buying something that you have no earthly idea whats inside of it. How can you get scammed when you are buying an item that is designed to have a bunch of mystery content? Now you might call it a dick move, but honestly I'd say that maybe these people should have tried asking the people selling the calender about what it contains before forking over fifty bucks. Seriously, this is pretty much the same thing as me going : "Hey, I have this sack here with something in it, it's yours for a fifty". Am I the idiot for selling it, or you for buying it?

I agree, she even said sometime ago that she wouldn't put her name in a product that she doesn't genuinely love, but here is an example that where that failed. She should go back on what she said i hope she addresses this soon... I really believe zoella is a good lady & good businesswoman.

Nick Otaku *amen brother*

Nick Otaku and the developers are making billions treating the cancer instead of curing it by removing it completely. Just like real cancer.

Nick Otaku Nope, stop lying to yourself.

innocent until proven guilty, not vindicating but just not aggressively victimising him for somthing from what it sounds is a complete over exaggeration, i mean at this point verbal harassment is sexual harassment and sexual harassment is rape and rape is worse than murder, the issue is that rape really shouldn't be worse than murder, definitely up there but you have to account for murder being final and rape is word of mouth, i.e anyone can say it so lets not start the guilty until proven innocent trend only for that.

this is what happens, when radical and extremistic third and fourth wave left wing feminism take over. i feel sorry for America (and sweden) that their own country have a cesspool worse than death bombers, they dont take serious. together with the leftist bias mainstream media they have slowly taken over the (normal peoples) media outlets. phil is making news on this cancerous and he dont even know it is bad (prolly because he is a leftist) before people point it out with critical thinking. leftist hollywood currently have a meltdown and are pointing fingers at men, so a feminist frequency leaded female leftwing feministic movement can take over and lead the world into misinformation. i feel sorry for left wing and right winged Americans who have to suffer through this. they did not deserve this, no one wanted to listen to the *crazy* people who warned them. its too late. enjoy your suffering.

+alexzander2211 - Wait, there's now a 4th wave of feminism? Ah shit, the world still hasn't healed from that 3rd wave bullshit. Can't we wait like a decade or two before the cancer returns?

Matterking Agreed. She's acting like a child, and the way she reacted to his 'harrasing' statements is infantile. If she doesn't know how to deal with people maybe she should just stay at home where it's safe and sound.

It is harassment, not sexual abuse, but it still exists and it is a problem. We need to make a clear distinction between "abuse" and "harassment". You can still be harassed verbally. If you were sworn at or yelled at by a coworker, that's harassment. Sexual harassment is exactly that, being verbally harassed to a point of discomfort, in a sexual manner. This story shouldn't have been made public, it's definitely something that should've been dealt with internally at IGN. But we should be careful about "not taking sexual harassment seriously".

Well when someone in power makes a move, its harder to say no. He was an editor and more established than her I think. It shouldn't be up to girls to have to deal with dense guys. That is kinda like saying when will ladies learn to not walk alone at night because guys are rapists. How about guys just work at work and take the more cautious approach when flirting with girls.

david yang, Expecting people to read your mind in order to keep you comfortable is never a good strategy; and not defining clear boundaries is an excellent way to find yourself in a conflict caused by a misunderstanding. Setting a boundary isn't that difficult, and it doesn't require you to be at an equal power level. Simply saying something like "I'm uncomfortable having this conversation at work" will work for the vast majority of people out there; and if people don't respect that then I think it constitutes harassment.

Because if everything is worthy of outrage, nothing is, and hence leftists can keep their rhetoric without looking like hypocrites

Thinkofsomething You treat women like children. Seems a little sexist.

...because in the 21st Century, we base more and more standards on feelings. I'm not even talking about sexual harassment anymore so much as everything. A court ruled this year in the U.S. that police may use deadly force based upon nothing more than whether or not the cop feels scared for his life. Criminals are prosecuted and convicted differently not based on simply what they did but largely upon how they felt while doing it, thus the existence of hate crime law. It's all about the feels which will always be arbitrary and inconsistent.

That’s sexual harassment, you said “lower” made me feel uncomfortable

Thinkofsomething "aggressors"?? This guy doesn't deserve all of this backlash

Wouldn't suprise me if Zoella had barely anything or nothing to do with it, I mean it's merchandising and in most cases that is handled by the management. It does show though that buying someone's stuff for any other reason then to give them money is pretty stupid. It does seem kinda shady though that knowing the age of her audience, they are pretty much trying to extort money from the parents since they will get the backlash if they won't buy it.

Jordy 54 😂😂😂😂😂

Still wouldn't be worth it

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Philip Zeplin Only men lie according to the book of third wave feminism

I remember your Japan videos years ago, good to see you're still active!

Elad As well as basic human societies. Would you want your life ruined because some jealous or overly zealous person sought out to destroy everything you are via accusations?

+Elad It also applies to basic human societies with even a shred of decency, numbnuts.

So, what about the other way around ? Your claims should be listened and analized no matter what, not always the evidence is concrete and each case need some level of research including the context, witnesess, etc. In this case even her boss aknoleged the harrassment claim but justified it saying that she "seduced him". The evidence is right there, even IGN stated that it was poorly managed. So idk how you can find THAT horrifying and not the ridiculus amount of harrasment cases that went under the radar all this time.

My policy is, question everything and support both sides. Basically be Switzerland. Let the courts do their thing and when its all said and done, condemn the asshole whoever it is. Demand evidence, but don't be a dick about it. Just "Do you have proof? You shouldn't go public or take it to court until you get evidence or else you'll ruin your own name and be put through so much worse". Because that's the truth. Women who go t9 court without proof are put through hell during the trail. They end up being questioned and their lives are the ones that are looked into. Don't pit yourself through that. And to the dude "get as much evidence as possible, understand what you're being accused of and remember your sixth amendment".

True, but in some cases where would the proof come from? Unless your recording video and audio 24/7, there's no way to know who's in the right especially if the perpetrator is smart enough to cover their bases. I have no doubt that people would take this movement as an opportunity to ruin people who oppose them on some level or even just to be a jerk.

+Anurag What fantasyland do you live in? They don't bend over to these allegations,. They deny them. They also often pay people off so they shut up and don't make a fuss about it, because paying them off is, in their opinion, worth it. Same reason people settle out of court so often.

Exactly.

demon2441 yes, but, from what these seem like, they are not violent cases, I am sure that if there might be something fishy going on, you'll have time to whip out your phone and put a voice recorder on. Most phones come with one.

yeah sourcefeed staff was ALL about jokes like that we would have the whole female cast claming sexual harrasment

+VizZzion I agree and it looks more like someone trying to get attention. She just got mentioned to more than 200,000 ppl and yesterday probably didnt know her name. Especially considering we're talking about IGN that has been dying for a while now

Makes you question your decision to believe all the last stories.

Alexis Ford I'd rate us 7.8 too much water

7/10 too much water

nah a perfect 5 out of 7

Actually her target audience is between 18 and 24 like she's stated in the past.

not so much that anyone is being forced to buy, more so about the fact that you don't know what you're getting and most advent calendars from other brands offer a lot more and that's what you expect, something of value or use not cookie cutters and confetti. I buy them for family every year and they're usually less money for more products and useful one's as well!

Her core audience are women in their early twenties

R those real

The simpler time now we have to pay for things for extra stuff if you want to do good

I miss getting the full game when you pay full price rather then a full game being split up in season passes. it sucks because I really wanna play this game but I really REALLY hate microtransactions.

SSJ BLAIRE WHITE Sama yeah it's all bullshit like wtf I'll just play snes

This is why Nintendo is king. No season passes or microtransactions to fight bowser. Too bad they don't give us online party systems.

No. The real issue, that EVERYONE is missing, is that HR is to blame for ALL of this... Vince would still have a job, and she would have been fine and felt comfortable if HR had done their job right. That man lost his job so the company could save face. He was collateral. If HR listened to the girl's complaints (not blamed her for instigating advances with her clothes and SHAMED her), then simply made sure the two were properly separated, none of this would have happened. He simply seemed like a silly guy that didn't get the message. That's fine. He just needed to be told by the higher ups to stop and not to go near her. This didn't happen, or at least, did not happen the way it should have... This is the companies fault. They were fools and THEY cost that man his job.

I don't think we can be so definitive about our conclusions just yet.... I wouldn't disagree with what you said, only problem being that it assumes everything we know thus far is accurate. I personally just have a hard time believing HR "insinuated" that she is provoking him with her chest... I mean seriously.....even her wording around this part becomes less definitive using words like "basically" and "insinuated". This to me shows that it might be a matter of interpretation. If she has a victim complex she might interpret everything as an "attack" on her, this is becoming more and more common nowadays. My main point is this. Let's not jump to conclusions so quickly based off limited information ESPECIALLY when it just doesn't add up. But Phil is always quick to side with the politically correct even when (like this story) the information we are given is limited and inconclusive.

I don't like to assume guilt in this situation. It's possible that she exaggerated, but if people start concluding that(which many are) and they are wrong, you are looking at literally blaming a victim which is a truly terrible thing to do... Also, if nothing actually happened at all, and she really was entirely at fault, Vince would not have admitted to it (which he did, albeit he stated that he assumed she was okay with it). Mere verbal harassment w/o anything physical should have been something handled properly by the company. I do firmly believe that many companies do have issues ignoring and helping their employees in these kinds of situations. This includes harassment targeted at either gender. This story is very sad, but I am hoping they get BETTER people at the company that are trained to deal with this sort of thing. I personally don't feel it really right to be terribly harsh on either the girl or Vince. Yes, PC bullshit is getting out of hand nowadays, but we can't assume all victims exaggerate because of it. I hope (if he was just a silly, oblivious guy) that he can get proper work again in the future. It'e a terrible shame. :/ I am getting very tired of seeing all of this bad news. Sorry for *TL;DR*

Vince never admitted to nothing....he simply said maybe she was uncomfortable with their perceived closeness. He was essentially saying "tell me what I have done" to which she wouldn't give him an answer. You said you don't like to assume guilt but you already blamed HR only based off what we know....which is very limited. In one of Vince's tweets he said something like "she shared very personal things with me".... why would she be so close with someone she says preys on her? Why does she use such indecisive language? If this was without a doubt a case of sexual harassment how did HR let it slide? It is these types of questions that raise issues with the whole situation. But still we have Phil saying he (Vince) must do more to prove his innocence....what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I just can't imagine a HR meeting going something like: Her: "he is sexually harassing me...." HR: "but you do provoke him with your chest... so here, sign this (or you lose your job) and from now on don't provoke him" She is saying it went down similar to this... I mean if that is even close to the case then HR is 100% at fault. There is no way it went down like that. Surely. My rational brain just can't comprehend HR being so blatantly unprofessional. There has to be more to the story.

Sorry, but saying "rational brain can't comprehend" is ridiculous. In fact, it simply tells me that you may need a bit of a reality check when it comes to big companies and their behaviour towards their employees. I can absolutely believe the behavior of those working at HR trying to take both sides but in that attempt, accuse the girl of being too friendly/her attire and making her sign an agreement along with the man. I never claimed they blatantly said "your shirt is bad", but that sort of thing can be worded differently. It seems that you have blatantly chosen to side with the man in this situation. It seems you are the one determined to take sides here. I believe he made silly comments, but should not have been fired and blasted for it at all. Me taking issues with HR isn't a witch hunt against an individual, its criticism of their company and hopefully they will do better in the future.

Jorge Roman if they did they would be laughed at and be reprimanded for wasting company time

Rudie McRudeface Well first of all, yes I call my grandmother (my parent) Beautiful all the time because she is. My relationship with her doesn't allow for me to talk about my sex life without it being a little weird, but I totally know people whose parents are like their best friends and they talk WAY WORSE than this. It's all about the relationship and he misunderstood theirs and ADMITTED that.

Dude, he got a complain about this same shit a year ago, so HE KNEW. Even the boss called her a "stucked up woman", literally.

Mirul Khanal it's still sexual harassment when it's done in a workplace environment, but I agree if it hadn't been in the environment it was in

Bob Pickleson I don't understand this sexual harassment work environment thing?

As a lady myself, and a not half bad looking one, I totally agree with what you said. I feel like this didn't feel like a sexual harassment issue at all. Just bad flirting where the dood didn't get the signal. No offense to guys, if you don't tell it to them straight, they won't get it. And if he don't back off after that, then ya, sure that can be an issue. Otherwise it feels like a highschool drama where a pretty girl wanted to make an average Joe's life miserable after not taking a hint. I rather not jump on crucifying someone without getting both sides of the story first. While we got the lady's side and a good amount of the guy, I saw nothing that warrants a "law suit". I just want to know, when did it become a taboo to talk to another gender as friends? Did it get that bad in America already? When did using our gender as a weapon for a lawsuit became popular? I've already seen the Race card used waay too much. This just telling me the lady is not suited to work with other people, mostly the opposite sex.

Wow, my thoughts exactly

Hello We when you go to work, you go there to make money and if you love your job, do whatever that is. Not to pick up someone of the opposite sex. Especially when they are in a lower ranking position than you. _Maybe_ out of work. _Maybe._ But _never_ on the job.

Seth G exactly. Yet everyone in the comments think Vince is a saint and Kallie is the devil trying to ruin his career. IGN should've just handled this situation better and this wouldn't be that big of a deal

What the fuck happened to no means no. Did she tell him no. WTF is level of friendship. Are you not allowed to hug or touch people nowadays. Can I carry around a hug bot? I hope I don't brush up against some womens at a job and then get fired for harassment.

Not Convinced this is what shouldn’t happen right? You shouldn’t feel afraid to talk to your coworkers or being accused for these alleged sexual harassment claims

Better to avoid, times are bad now... as they Prevention is better

False claims will still get you fired =/

I literally carry a pen cam in my shirt pocket for these situations, I do everything I can to not be alone with ANY female at work. But there are unavoidable situations, to which I click my pen and record the instance from start to finish, sound paranoid and excessive I know, but this shyt is rampant, especially in my field(law enforcement).

@ravynramon good idea... but be careful so they dont go apeshit about recording them without their knowledge...

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Agreed the whole thing was mishandled. Hell, just sitting down with management present to discuss feelings and poor communications would have probably been enough here. She felt like he was pressuring her, when he clearly felt they had a personal relationship on some level. BUT neither woman made their feelings clear enough. So both parties are guilty of not setting clear boundaries. Had she made a clear demand like stop texting me, stop talking to me, whatever... then it would be a clearer situation overall. I having a sinking suspicion this is the "I want to be nice to everyone (overly so because I'm scared of upsetting anyone) girl," so when she really doesn't like him, she's making no indication of that to him. So he doesn't really know until she blows up on him or in this case files a sexual harassment complaint to HR, who makes no effort to understand and diffuse the situation. So, she lives with her utter anxiety of having upset someone (assuming that he is a predator who is now infuriated), thus making the whole thing so much worse. And if they try to talk, she panics and he's just confused and probably hurt, too. HR's should have counselors on demand to help settle these types of confusing issues. She feels violated and he probably feels rejected and lied to. Overall just a sad situation.

As far as I have understood it, HR is supposed to be the mediator in issues like these. Where you are supposed to go if you have workplace issues you don't know how to deal with. So it really is the HR that tremendously fucked up and is the "scandal". Not that HRs don't usually wind up focusing too much on saving the company from potential liabilities instead of managing their human resources well, but even there they messed up terribly.

I'm probably gonna get backlash for this but it sounds like men cannot flirt anymore without getting accused of sexual harassment. On a personal level, I have been there and I just ignored the fellas who gave unwanted attention. People need to stop being overly sensitive! When it gets really bad, then yeah, say something. But from what I've heard, he just said some rude and suggestive comments. If this guy was younger, more attractive and if she had been interested in him, would it be sexual harassment? If they'd had a relationship and then broke up, would it then turn into inappropriate behaviour in the workplace and a sexual harassment case because he used his position of power? I know people say women should be able to wear what they want but if you have your boobs out, guys often comment on your boobs for some bizarre reason and from a person with low confidence back in the day, having my boobs out was a security blanket for my insecurities. Sometimes I liked the attention, other times not so much. But if have your boobs out it does provoke a certain kind of attention - I aren't saying "she's asking for it" and this is not a rape story but this guy only touched her shoulder, he didn't molest her! Where will the line be drawn with these cases?

+JustLovely but if she didn't say anything to him he can't really be blamed that much. Sure, it's like 'hey, maybe don't flirt with your co-workers, especially if they're in a lower position.' but this isn't a rape type thing where 'no answer doesn't equal a yes', this is flirting, which from the sounds of it got slowly less and less subtle because she didn't shut that shit down asap.

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Franklin Stewart I agree that accusations against people can get very out of hand in the future but we have to remember that the reason people are shocked and aren't taking any chances is because of how mainly men of power have gotten away with harassment for years and years with no action being taken against them.

I find it sad and somewhat hilarious that it is literally the definition of *bullying* , which is one of those no-no's in today's 'enlightened class of the future'. No one can act like an adult capable of handling the ups and downs of the common work week. "Bob talked to me and he had coffee breath. _I feel so violated, I can still feel his hot breath on me_ " Annnnnd spread it around the office, and now everyone is on strike until Bob has his desk moved and signs a document saying that he will brush his teeth within 10 minutes of every sip of coffee, or carry with him at all times a tin of breath mints. Further complaints will be grounds for dismissal. And Bob will get further complaints, guaranteed. But he won't know about them until they are brought up 3 years later, and he will be fired on the spot. Bob will then have to tweet some apologies to save face and have a chance of ever getting hired any place ever again. But nah, no one is being bullied here. This is just how *adults* act these days I guess.

Ben Franklin 100% Time Traveler!

Did you trip and fall making that giant ass leap?

novawave333 I mean wherever your dad worked probably was really shitty bc that's not how regulations are supposed to work

AvonleaCavendish i think the issue is here is more of a misunderstanding and how bad the HR department handled the issue. Not to discredit any one wanting to come out about their harassment story but this story has some shady lines to it and the guy was more than willing to show the necessary evidence for what happened. The problem is i think people can see sexual harassment differently and what bothers me the most is that she did not try to confront him directly.

AvonleaCavendish i see, but once the report is done is it still not allowed to confront them?

don't forget about the great double standard

AvonleaCavendish flirting at work while maybe not appropriate is definitely not sexual harassment.

I don't know what kind of flirting would really make someone quit their job to work somewhere else. And yet...

Shadow Stepper I wanted to comment but couldnt find the right words to not insult any victims of this. But this is excactly what i wanted to say. Great comment

wow Thelgors20 just wow! =( I can tell you I deff do NOT "larp" as a man while at work. Why not, instead of hormone therapy, we simply treat EVERYONE with dignity and respect? or is that too hard for you? BTW well said Shadow Stepper - I agree, speak w/co workers in a respectful way and it's amazing the relationships that can be professional and friendly w/o disrespect or intimidation. =)

at this rate when i start work i'm gonna feel like i shouldn't say a thing to women, and god forbid i like someone, do they have any concept how fucking hard it is to be rejected or to be the man in that part of a relationship, and now you can get called out for sexual harassment for flirting or just talking, jesus christ, luckily i haven't encountered anyone this petty. or presumably obviously this isnt the full picture.

expressrobkill It shouldn’t be that hard to just tell a guy “yo, I’m just not into you” and be done with it :( I agree with you. Met my bf though work, he asked me out off the clock just to be safe. No one freaked out.

but you get rewarded for claiming harassment. You get more coverage, you make the company look benevolent when they fire the guy, you get compensation when doing this. At this point companies will have a major issue with team work. Since communication will go down the drain.

Eshajori I am feamale. I agree with you. In college in my twenties, I had no problem telling a guy to get his hands off my knees in the comp lab, and he had no problem doing so. Are women too fragile to speak up and drop the facts into the conversation?

The problem is that we don't know what kind of relationship those two had between them. If they were close, friendship wise, those jokes are acceptable. Why are we not shown all communications between them?

So, something of a sexual nature that happen several times and is both "inappropriate and rude" doesn't qualify as sexual harassment to you ? You do realize it literally ticks ALL the boxes of sexual harassment, right ?

Because you're not a judge, Jimmy. You're not in charge of the case for the internet police, Jimmy. So go back to your room and eat your vegetables, Jimmy.

I mean I have jokes like that with my guy friends all the time whether it's at work or out, the guy clearly said he thought they had been close work friends so I wouldn't see something like that as creepy coming from a friend, hell even my girl friends have jokes like that too but it's not creepy sill cause we're friends. If she had just said she didn't like what he had said it wouldn't have been this big of a deal and to be fair he did stay away from her and only talked to her about work related things as she said herself, and on the thing she said about him sitting near her in meetings, I don't see the big deal because it's supposed to be a damn meeting like come on it's not some big party room, dude has to sit somewhere right.

Again we don't know how it got there. Maybe when he told her he could last all night, she was complaining that her boyfriend did not perform in bed. Maybe she was complaining that her boyfriend was playing on the PlayStation all day, at which he said "she needed a real man". He may be a total creep from what i know but it all depends on the dynamic of the relationship.

Wheatley Core getting hit on *at work* by a *person in a position of power* when you did nothing to elicit or encourage those comments *can* and *is* sexual harassment

Wheatley Core asking for sex from a coworker is sexual harassment, especially when you outrank them (that comment about how when he was her age he could go all night)

Bob Pickleson he wasn't asking for it from her. Making a statement about something like that isn't sexual harassment. He made no remark towards her. He did nothing wrong

Isaiah Cooper it depends how he said it tbh. One could be a friend joking around with a friend about sex lives. Another could be him suggestively saying let's fuck.

Ada No, it's not. It can be if they threaten you for not complying or continue to do so after you respond in the negative but it is not by default harassment of any kind. You don't know what harassment is if you're classifying it as harassment by default in which case I would suggest a dictionary. A legal one in particular. And no, it shouldn't be classified as harassment either.

thats what im thinking. i tell girls theyre cute. now im really scared. fine theyre ugly. dafuq am i supposed to say?

It's too late, we're steady accelerating on a downhill trajectory....

His fly was open after coming out of the wash room. SEXUAL HARASSMENT!!!!!!!!!

Right. We gotta get rid of this guilty until proven innocent approach people take with these type of cases. Most probably don't even read the article past the females accusations.

All these allegations are stupid and everyone is getting tired of every video including a new allegation. Innocent until proven guilty, Phil team should stop trying to cover these stories until they are proven to be true. More than likely, females are using this new "trend" to get "famous".

Auztin3 hmm deep

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Especially since it is near impossible to prove that somthing didn't happen.

It has always been the case. Always. It's the justice that follows the innocent until proven guilty. Everyone can have his own opinion, and no one HAS to consider someone innocent if they believe otherwise.

Joe Mills wait, so you mean the one who said she fondled her sister's genitals when she was 7 and her sister was a baby? I never got that. She was a child herself, and didn't understand the concept of sexuality. Also she was like 7.