Ali Michael better watch out, or Eleven might have some, well... not words, but really intense looks and possible harm in store for her... Seriously though, leave child actors alone, AND DON'T EVEN IF IT WAS MEANT TO BE A JOKE, HIT ON THEM. It's insane that that has to be said... bleh.
Philip DeFranco does no one remember what happened with the Olsen twins back in the thousands? Stuff like that was so common but we all freak out over a woman doing it to a teen guy? I am not saying it's okay, I'm saying this is an addition to the double standard. Even now so many people talk about the "catch me outside" girl Danielle Bregoli(?) and how they want to see her at 18 and that isn't a news story?
Philip DeFranco There really is a double standard with men and women withe the whole "call me in X years" Thing is, it is actually quite likely that a 14 year old boy might be thinking that this is awesome, whereas a 14 year old girl would be horrified. There are reasons for this, I don't think that it's right, but I don't see it changing for a very long time.
Philip DeFranco I am 35 going to be 36 I am also a fan of the stranger things series that grown ass adult who waited outside fins hotel and got mad I find sad stupid and just outright creepy as hell. If you want an autographe that bad go to a damn meet or greet or comic con of the cast of stranger things are there don't be a creep creep
Actors attend a lot of events where fans can interact with them and get autographs, selfies, etc. Waiting outside someone's house is very creepy and should be treated as such.
Hotel or house, you're going to be spending time in there, sleeping and eating in there, you'd want to feel comfortable in doing so, right? It's a space where privacy must be respected, and obviously these selfish people don't understand that.
Still no actor or celebrity has to give anyone their autograph, it's their choice whether to do it or not, I don't think they should be penalized either over it, what are you going to do with that signature? Make money off of them? Throw it away or lose it eventually? Or will you actually keep it and preserve it?
THANK you for what you said on behalf of Finn for not talking to fans. All absolutely legitimate and likely scenarios/explanations, even for adult actors.
They are friends. How dare she make a joke? "O, she didnt think of his age before making the joke, what a bitch". Sorry, she made a mistake by underestimating the internets fake outrage. He is a public person, she used a public picture and said he was attractive.. It was a compliment to help him with the ladies. People just need to find things to be upset about.
Jordanious77 um, does it matter if they're 'friends?' No, it doesn't. He's still 14 and she's still 23. It's creepy as hell to make jokes like that about a child. Also, 'Help him with the ladies'? what kind of bullshit are you on?
Jordanious77 Finn himself stated that the incident with the model was creepy and made him feel awkward and uncomfortable. You're just as bad if you think she wasn't in the wrong to say that. NOTE that MOST people aren't trying to incriminate her, it's just not an appropriate thing to say to a child, no matter who the kid is.
Jordanious77 Okay, can I chime in real quick? Let’s say it was an inside joke. If it was an inside joke, then it should *stay* an inside joke. Without context, or any understanding that it is joke, of course it would be received negatively. Yes, we don’t have a complete idea of the situation, I can agree on that. But this, small bit of it is still publicised. We know that she made a joke. But just because we don’t know what the situation was, that doesn’t mean that we aren’t able to make a judgement off of what we’ve seen. Not to mention the connotations with the phrase “hit me up.” Doesn’t that always mean that person is flirting with the other? Personally, I agree with Phil and Ali’s behaviour was inappropriate. But I respect your opinion, no matter how much I (and probably so many others) disagree.
Weird? NO, we need weird and variety. Creepy? We could DEFINITELY do without the creepy. We need shirts with 'Can people STOP being creepy?'on them like two weeks ago...
I don't understand the crazy love of an actor/actress. When I get into a show, movie, book etc. I like the character, not the person playing them. Don't get me wrong actors/actresses are very talented and work hard, but I'm not going to try to seek them out when they are being their normal human self. They are just people doing their job bringing a character to life and possibly something they love to do. Just thoughts.
emily wallace If I️ got the chance to meet Tom Hanks is probably gush a lot because I️ just enjoy his acting, but I️ wouldn’t go track him down, and if I️ happened to spot him in public I️ wouldn’t chase him down. People like him, or Robin Williams, or any of the other actors who were so many different things that you see them as the person over the part are the kinds of actors that I️ really appreciate, specifically for their acting. I️ guess that doesn’t really help you understand because you’ve basically said the same thing, but maybe it’ll clear something up.
I dont understand it either sure i love the character but if i met them in real life i would be like hey i liked you in so and so and....... thats it i wouldn't badger them for pictures
i was never part of the celebrity bullshit, i only like the characters, this is the first time i liked the actors. but i wish them a normal childhood and not to end up like children in holywood usually do.
A viewer knows more about a character on a show than the actor playing that character. I think it is when the line between character and actor gets blurred in someone's mind that they become interested in the actor in a creepy way. They see the character being altruistic, witty, courageous, etc. and associate the actor as having the same characteristics. The viewer feels like the character is their friend or soulmate, so, in turn, they feel like the actor is their friend or soulmate.This is seen in the fans of RU-vidrs and singers, too.
Your example scenario with Millie Bobby Brown was actually kind of perfect, considering she's going through something similar. She was at some event walking the carpet, and her style had her looking "older" than her 13 years and someone one on Twitter got flak for saying she's "all grown up." My position in all of this has always been to leave child actors alone because, despite loving their work, I've always had no problem seeing them as kids first, actors second. I'd watch child actors on screen and think, "Oh, they're going somewhere some day, should they choose to stick with this."
Why not just stop it all together, I mean child actors aren't the only actors who get fed up with media and fans trying to get something from them. Can't we just show the same curticy.
I agree with you so much. They’re just a kid. Any human, 1 month old to 100 years old deserves a break. I saw mike Tyson on a airplane, I didn’t bombard him. All I did was say hi. Personally, I do saw any actor that I like, I would just say hi and say that I like they’re acting.
I think it’s polite to not bother an actor when they’re off the clock, period! I don’t want to be bothered with my job when I’m trying to eat supper or go home for the day. Harassing actors for autographs is no different. Save that for conventions, where they are paid to socialize with fans.
Costumers are always right, that is not how you handle your fans, its a career killing move, you dont get to choose when to interact with your fans, but you can avoid them.
Enya Marie Bustamante how do you avoid them if they’re waiting at the entrance of the hotel you’re staying? It’s not ok for the actor to HIDE from the fans, it’s ok for fans to learn to RESPECT actors as people first. If he doesn’t stand for his right at privacy now, he’s going to find fans hidden in his hotel room in a few years, like it happened to other very famous celebrities...
Enya Marie Bustamante by that logic I can go to the bank and demand them to give me as much money as I want and then go to your house and demand you to come and meet me.
I like what Sophie Turner has said. "It doesn't matter if they are an actor, they are kids FIRST." People should know that expectations should fit the object of it.
Larry Chauncey YOU'RE pathetic. Why would you think that celebs are properties? They are just public figures and you can choose to like them or not. If you like them, you should not expect more from them aside from their performance in their respective craft. That's just it.
I feel like the paparazzi should be illegal. Or at least the ones that stalk actors in their homes and follow them 24/7. If it were any other person, non-celebrity, that would be considered stalking and harassment and there would be legal consequences, but because they're celebrities suddenly it's acceptable? This of course shows other people, like fans of the celebrities, that this behavior is accepted in society and its OK to do that. Paparazzi should have a line that they cannot cross: show up to big shows and events, the kinds all celebrities attend. Take your pics, ask your questions, fine. But when it comes to everyday life, you cannot follow them and intrude on their personal lives. They need privacy and security too.
Oh come now when were jokes seen as trolling? I don't consider myself a troll that is demeaning to everyone, I like to consider myself funny even if it's just to myself. An audience of one even if it's yourself is worth spending time to make it laugh.
YuNaK1TtYkat I think that's partly why so many celebrities go into drugs and substance abuse because they aren't able to live their lives outside of the public eye. And each of their actions are followed and talked about.
I HATE when people get mad at famous people because they say no to photos. Like?? They dont owe you anything 😂 "but im his fan. I support him. I made him famous" boi SIT DOWN
+DOYUFEELITMISTERKRABS Actually, the fans are what make people famous. Without the viewers following the show the series (and actors within it) would not gain notoriety and the world at large would not care about them and they would not be offered future work because their past work has not been able to attract attention. Does this mean that the actor owes anything to the fans? No, of course not; however, PR is a game that all actors have to play and if the actor makes a point of not even acknowledging fans, then his PR will suffer and future work will suffer because of it.
Adam Beard well their make believe play gets them millions of dollars, soooo I don’t see your point? Also isn’t the description of a job doing something for money? So why the emphasis on “job” get back to me when you learn how jobs work.
If it's okay to wait outside a CHILD'S hotel just because he's a star, where does it stop? 'I snuck into his hotel room, but I just wanted an autograph. He's famous, so it's alright.'?
Maybe the dude was trying to get an autograph for his daughter that is at the hospital dieing of leukaemia, 2 months after his wife crashed over the side of a cliff on her way home from work, she survived the initial impact, but gas fumes ignited from the shorting out of the battery causing her to slowly burn to death, and he was recently laid off from his mid level office job because susan over at accounting was cooking the books for the last couple years, and he 4 weeks of irs investigations to determine his involvement, luckily he was comoletely un aware the the fraud and wont be facing any jail time, but you dont know anythung about him or why he is there so please be more respectful.
EgoRightRaptor Well the question is "where does it stop". Mark Ruffalo got followed for 2 blocks by a fan just to get a photo with him. Whether it's famous or not, it's still uncomfortable. If it's okay to do that, it'd normalize some people to think, "Oh, he'll give me what I want even if I snuck into his hotel, he's really nice." Because some people are just shitty.
"That kid is being rude! I'm just a fully grown man trying to get close and take pictures of a child, practically stalking him outside his hotel...Oh wait, that's creepy...I see that now." - A 30 year old man.
Finn (Mike from Stranger Things) actually fired his agent a few weeks ago after claims of child sexual assault came out about the guy from some former clients.
Yeah he fired his agent and left the agency when he found out his agent was accused of sexual assault and was still working there. The agency only fired the agent after Finn left and it was made public.
Carlos Rodriguez Understandable, even if they are just claims. It has happened before. However, I still believe that claims without proper investigation are meaningless.
You think that's weird? Millie Bobby Brown was voted one of Pedowood's 'Sexiest actresses' by W magazine..... shes 13. Yes its a real thing, look it up.
Right I have anxiety I would just walk in to the hotel and not see my fans but I will still be there for them I just try to put my feet in the clebs shoes I agree it is stupid and why it’s just plan stupid I wish that the world was understood with distance from a fan after along day and just being 13+ as a cleb I an brand new to the Wolfhard army but I can understand what the actor/actress is going through and I’m not even famous
I still have not watched even a preview of Stranger Things. Is it that good? Holy crap. Adults following kids because of a TV show isn't creepy at all....
urmaker You know, I didn't watch it because of the hype. Yesterday I figured I'd give the first episode a try. I watched the entirety of the 2 seasons and I haven't slept yet. It's pretty good.
urmaker it's great (I haven't started season 2 yet) I bet those kids are cool kids! It would be cool to meet them one day. It would be seriously creepy, however, to stalk them and then get angry about it. Lol. I do not understand how people do not understand that.
Sadly a random adult fan wanting to take a pic with a 14 year old actor seems to be way less harmful than what we have seen the actual adult Hollywood figures in these kids lives doing to them. Neither are good but one is way way worse. I want all adults to know that somehow forgot...Kids that act mature or look like adults are still kids, as well as less mature kids. Kids are not small adults. They are different biologically and emotionally no matter the circumstance.
LizardGaming Imagine it this way, a stranger travels a long distance and waits hours just to encounter a child he has never met before. In fact the child is completely unaware of the adult stranger’s existence. Then the adult interrupts the kid and takes pictures of the child without permission and possibly touches the child. Imagine if that kid was yours or you.
Will never understand how stalking is illegal in, I'm pretty sure the whole United States, but when you make it publicly known your stalking it's called "being a fan" or "paparazzi" ... werid 🤔
Paparazi has that freedom of press law protecting them, and fans with camera can just self identify as paparazi and claim they're independent journalist and get protection from the law.
Primarily because these people are in a public space, and it is completely legal to take a picture of a person in a public place. I disagree with the part about following with badgering questions and not stopping verbally harassing them when they specifically request you to stop, but the photos are fair game.
I have a dark sense of humour, but I see no humour in hitting on kids, joke or not. All fan worship is downright creepy, if you like something and appreciate the work great leave it at that, you need to build real relationships not fantasies of what you want some "star" (I cringe at the word) to be like in real life.
I have a very good sense of humor, better than most normal people sense of humor. I always try and find the comedy in everything that I see be it tragic or even unfunny, I will find a way to either make it funny to me or others. What I'm trying to say is I have a superior sense of humor to most people and that matters when I share my opinions on something as subjective and diverse as humor. AND THIS IS NOT FUNNY AT ALL, I DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE FIND FUNNY!
I find this whole concept of being ‚deserving‘ of anything from famous people, because they owe you, a little troublesome. I’m seeing this concept everywhere, especially on RU-vid and it’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m not watching your show because I’m trying to do you a favour, I’m watching because I enjoy the content. An adult should be able to understand that nobody owes him anything for finding a thing that he enjoys. The real sad thing is this man felt so right, that he posted this embarrassing statement on twitter. How this could have happened is beyond me and I’m not even taking the whole child actor thing into account. Nobody should stalk or sexualise children, sad to think people are actually surprised by that.
I agree with you here. Recently so many people take everything so seriously and act like it's a chance to "teach society." Honestly it's just annoying. It's a joke people, and if you're offended by something as small as this, please spend some time on reddit or 4chan to realize that these kind of jokes are not something that are super uncommon. If she starts acting creepy and follows him or hits on him in person, that's one thing, but she simply posted something on the internet that amounts to "I think he's good looking." It seems fewer and fewer people today can take a joke, I even feel like at a different time Phil would've defended her saying it's a joke. Not everything someone says online is a life or death serious situation people. Lighten up a bit, did you really think the she was gonna try to sleep with the kid?
Thelasa b. Exactly! Even with RU-vidrs and streamers, they make content and if you like that content you watch which as a side effect gives them views and revenue. They don't owe anyone anything because they've already paid with the content they put out.
"Believe me, if I wanted to hang out with a 14 year old anymore than I do right now, I would be on some kind of government watchlist" - Dan Avidan Seriously tho, the GameGrumps episode with Finn Wolfhard was hilarious, that guy is a maniac. Wouldn't want the whole "celebrity life-style" ruin this kid.
Astheon GMR i personally didnt enjoy the episode as much as i wish i did obviously finn wont be able to make the jokes expected from gg expecially with this agents censoring profanity but i did enjoy the episode for how well arin and danny we able to adjust to his comedy and save some of the jokes that would have fallen flat. my biggest issue was i felt finn made some jokes overstay their welcome, i get hes a fan of theirs so he was probably just happy to be there making jokes with comedians he enjoys. i hope in maybe a year or two he will come back with his humor more developed which i can tell already tell will be intresting. obviously hes only 14 so i cant expect him to be a grand joke/story telling master but hes off to a good start.
It's not pointless. Just because someone doesn't see it doesn't mean its pointless. I am sure there are plenty of things you done that have gone unrecognized and did you think they were pointless no. I would say the same thing about what you do but to you they're not pointless. She may not see it but doesn't mean it's pointless.
I agree. Sophie is also an incredibly sweet person, so if she's speaking out about this then you know these fans that are stalking the actors must be out of control.
It is part of an actor's job to be filmed. Just not when they're not on the job. As soon as they clock out, they are just like you and I, in my opinion.
If you're in public, you have zero legal right to privacy. And yes, that does come with the job, whether actors want it to or not. The choice, if someone doesn't want people following them taking pictures, is to not become an actor, or musician, etc. I dislike paparazzi, and have no interest what actor is dating who, or pregnant, or whatever, but they have to expect them, and fans, to take pictures if you're in public. It would be nice if there were restrictions on flashing lights from cameras, and/or distance they have to maintain, but that would be difficult to balance legally/constitutionally and might just create actors as a superior protected class.
LittleNemo yes as unfortunate as it is being a well known person it should be expected people will want to talk to you and take pictures and such. why this story exploded i have no idea. finn had the right idea of ignoring this guy, now hes getting undeserved attention. hopefully this guy realises from this that from all the people that tweet him now, hes in finns shoes and hopefully realises he doesnt owe anyone a responce just as finn didnt owe him one.
They are just like you or me. Except when I write a slightly off putting joke I am not forced to write a apology to sociopaths bent on controlling lives.
i don't wanna see them end up like other kids in hollywood, they are the only celebrities i tolerate. never liked any celebrity. except those kids they need protection and guidance, i just hope their parents don't get greedy and lose their way.
They can't technically be millionaires now because they are literal children. The money goes to their parents until they're legally allowed to receive pay, otherwise it's considered child labor. And what low budget movies? IT? The movie with a $35 million budget? The highest grossing horror movie ever?
Mentelgen Videos if he wanted to, he could put a civil law suit on any one putting his information on social media, thus this guy because people are going to attack him (cyber stalking) and he could get phil into paying him money. Even though he is covering media and news. The fact that people are attacking him on twitter sets basis for a civil law suit on cyber stalking. And a hate crime.
krad dark you should probably stop talking about the law considering you apparently don't know anything about it. There was no incitement, no trying to sic his fanbase on him, and there was neither libel nor slander considering Phil only used factual evidence in this (Chandler's own tweet). I'm pretty sure if anything Chandler is the only one who has done wrong here. Seriously, don't act like you know these things.
I remember the creep factor of when the Olsen twins were about to turn 18 and grown men joking about them being legal soon. There were websites with countdowns. Ugh. The chick was way wrong.
Cajun Queen that's what I first thought. No one minded back then and that was a role reversal. I mean I don't agree with either one peraonaly, but it's been done before.
I always had a crush on Finn because we are the same age and theres nothing wrong with having a celebrity crush but when your overdoing it and being inappropriate to someone under age, theres a problem.
People need to stop sexualizing children. Yes they're celebrities but that's no reason to be creepy to them. People have no respect when it comes to celebrities. They treat them like objects. They're just kids! Leave them alone!
It's been like this for a while. Ever since celebrities have been big we've had things like paparazzi. But now that everyone has access to phones, everyone can be their own paparazzi.
I don't know why exactly having talent and working for your money makes you spoiled. I think a lot of them are fucked because they have to grow up too fast.
I actually enjoyed the Disney vs LA Times piece because it had nothing to do with Trump, Clinton, race, gender, college, Russia, appropriation, Democrats, Republicans celebrities, Antifa, elections, RU-vid, Facebook, Twitter and all the other nonsense. This was normal nonsense.
Thank you for discussing this inappropriate behaviour regarding the Stranger Things actors. I’ve been disgusted and concerned by the sexualisation of these actors. We saw it with the Harry Potter actors and society hasn’t gotten better. Millie Bobby Brown is now under scrutiny at the age of 13 for how she is “growing up”, her clothes and hair being assessed. Magazines are putting her in a list of sexiest women on TV. They are children, they are people, not characters!
aliGol D I agree with some of that. I am still attracted to the same features as when I was 18. I am 24 now. I couldn't date an 18 yo. There is a mental maturity that I need now. But physically, there isn't much difference between I am attracted too.
I think the Stranger Things kid is handsome! And a great actor. Loved him in IT too. But he's a kid. A grown woman looking at Finn Wolfhard sexually. That's pretty damn weird! If that was my boy, I'd keep that woman far away!
I think they are funny kids and their interviews are hilarious as well. I see no problem in following them on social media but saying things like that is really weird.
To comment about the Finn and the reverse think about the Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen until they are 18 countdowns that were going on all over the internet. There are other suchs things about female and male actors right now as well. It's not right at all let them just be kids, and not excited for when they are adults and it is socially acceptable to hit on them or have potential for adult roles/potential nude roles or photo shoots.
I was going to comment exactly this also bringing up the count down made for Emma Watson. I want to thank you guys for beating me to it because people need to think about how it's awkwardly common for men to make those kinds of comments about teenage girls.
Yes. Mary Kate And Ashley were huge cases before the wave really took off with Britney Spears. The Disney and Nick girls all followed after. Somethings wrong in Hollywood.
Oh wow heaven forbid an Actor or Actress let alone Child ones don't pay attention to you when you scream at the waiting outside their hotel like a freaking creep. Did he throw stuff at you, no he didn't. Did he lunge at you and try to assault you, no he did not. He just walking into the hotel he was staying at to more and likely get some much needed rest. People like Chandler need to get some fucking sense of mind and under stand just because an actor/actress let alone a child one in the public eye does not mean they have to do what you want. You're and Adult Chandler act like it.
JimAboo's Channel worst part is in the full video the guy is standing there during the day when Finn leaves and waited the whole day till Finn would return.
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Jackasses like that guy need to understand that Finn is a regular person just like all of us. He doesn't owe anybody a picture. He's got responsibilities, hobbies, interests, feelings etc. outside of what made him famous.
liquidminds I mean I get it he doesn't want to be bother cool but you did kinda sign up for this I mean if your fans don't watch your show we never know your name . You could just as easily said no to the role and yes that would suck but it's a give and take of life. You could easily rob a bank but if caught you go to jail. My wife can sing but if she ever got "famous" id probably divorce her cause I wouldn't want that circus.
Actually, the fans are what make people famous. Without the viewers following the show the series (and actors within it) would not gain notoriety and the world at large would not care about them and they would not be offered future work because their past work has not been able to attract attention. Does this mean that the actor owes anything to the fans? No, of course not; however, PR is a game that all actors have to play and if the actor makes a point of not even acknowledging fans, then his PR will suffer and future work will suffer because of it.
If you look closely at the video of Finn you can see that the first time he seems to just be in a rush and casually says "Oh hey" before getting in the car, but the second time (which judging by the lighting seems to be much later) he rushes in and just says "No" when they ask for a picture. It's pretty clear the first time he thought they were just fans but the second time he realized they were insane stalkers. Also apparently he liked the tweet that the stalker dude posted. Say what you want about his acting but the dude knows comedy.
It's really creeping me out about how people online talk about these kids from stranger things. I think we have a societal issue we need to really address. This is not ok people.
The sad thing is that also a couple of famous people (I've seen it mostly with some RU-vidrs) love the attention and promote this sick behavior even further...
What kinda talk? Because most adults watching this show are connecting with the characters in the mindset of “this is like my childhood. I remember having crushes and how amazing it felt.” Shit like that.
There was a point in my life where I felt that famous people didn't deserve the same rights of space and privacy as everyone else, but I realized that was just jealousy. They are people, and unless they're actively attacking the fans, they have the right to want their privacy
drokelertalk: They dont typically choose to be "famous" though. They choose to follow a career, be it acting, singing etc. and sometimes that comes with the unwanted bonus of being famous.
Just like the Sia situation yesterday, being famous doesn't mean having your PRIVATE life destroyed by being stalked everywhere (especially for a child). I hate paparazzis so much for thinking that they can do whatever they want and get mad at the actors/actresses for not accepting it because "it comes with the job" (it doesn't btw)
You should hate fandom in general since it's because of them paparazzis exist to ply their trade. Salacious information, scandalous photos, unwanted intrusions into private lives, paparazzis do this because people want that kind of information and will pay for it.
Deliberately waiting for a 'star' (actor/youtuber- whomever) in a place where they haven't publicly said "Hey come meet me here!" is creepy in my opinion. If you bump into them in public, be freaking polite, ask permission to hug/photo/video and if they say no- *respect* their wishes! Why is that so freaking hard to understand!?! If you wouldn't want it done to YOU, don't do it to others.
Personally, I find fandom creepy in general. I watch what I watch. I like what I like, and that's it. No need for autographs, handshakes, etc. We good man
I feel that way too about the human actor, I don't know them, they are not my friend and it's the character that I like, the person they are portraying. =)
Yes. I appreciate these people for what they do, their work. I went to a festival to see my favourite artist performing. I'm a huge fan of their music. But I wasn't in the front row. Why? Because I came in for the show that they've crafted and worked for. So I stood in about the middle for the best sound quality and visibility of the visuals without straining my neck. Now I do like to watch interviews just to understand what goes in their head when they make this art, but that doesn't mean I need to be in close physical proximity with them.
I never understood the "we made you famous, you owe your fans" thing. The studio hired an actor that is providing content that you are consuming. Just because you like it doesn't automatically mean you made their career, it just means you like the work they are being paid to do. If I went to a restaurant and order a steak, eat it, and like it, that doesn't mean the cook who made it owes me anything, all it means is that the restaurant made a good hiring decision.
If one fan didn't watch it, nothing would be different. If he went to an area with millions of fans (that he agreed to meet) then stubbed them, then there would be the issue of "we made your career", but one fan who thinks too much of himself is different.
dave tyler the amount of people just casually enjoying the show is way bigger then the amount of actual fans. they would do just fine financially even without fans.
Dave Tyler actors get paid for their films before the project is released. So, actors get paid BEFORE fans have even seen a trailer. Also casting calls, which is where the actor gets hired is before the film is even made so....
+Dave Tyler And if customers didn't eat the steak, the cook wouldn't have a job.. What's your point? You watch their content, thus giving them a job and they pay you back by producing content for you to watch - other than that they don't owe fans shit.
I love the fact that people always excuse their creepy fan behaviour with the classic "It comes with the job". You know what? Your right, unfortunatelly it does! But you know what else? It shouldn't! Its a shitty thing to do, the same way I can go out with a short skirt and most likely will endure comments and shit from people even if I shouldn't, the fact that people are shit and behave like shit doesn't excuse them at all, it's still not ok and people are still on their right to say no and object, sorry.
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On the Finn Wolfhard story... I could definitely understand if they were 13 year old fan girls waiting outside of someone’s hotel etc. It happens. Some people are ruthless to even have eye contact with a favorite celebrity but it goes a little too far with grown men and women. It’s inappropriate and just straight gross. If I were Finn. I would have walked away too.
I've always felt so bad for finn. he always has creepy shit happening to him if it isn't smut then it's some adult hitting on him. People need to remember these are kids! I especially feel bad for his mom seeing all this crap
I'll actually chime in to ask people not to condescend children. They aren't dumb or incompetent. Just immature. Having half of the world hit on them and the other half tell them they're victims doesn't help. Either portion of that. He's a kid, sure, but he's not THAT young. He definitely knows about the birds and the bees, and if his parents didn't prepare him a little bit for "creepiness" then they've not paid any attention to the horror stories of child actors. He can DEFINITELY handle an attractive model making a crass joke. He'll probably brag about it, and this is ALSO normal and nothing to be ashamed about. People need to separate fantasy from reality, and if he's NOT fantasising at his age, I'd be VERY surprised. (I had VERY vivid sexual fantasies from a very young age and the HUGE crush on my teacher at age 8, for instance) He could also certainly handle things a LOT worse than this (being hit on in person my an adult with authority over him) because, and I'll reiterate this: KIDS ARE NOT FRAGILE NOR STUPID. If he's victimised, then we need to worry, but dealing with a bit of creepiness? Not as big a deal as people make out. We just need to do what Defranco advises. Reverse the roles to see if "it's still okay" and correct behaviour. This isn't predatory or criminal. Just ill advised, weird and (if left uncriticised) can embolden actual predators to act with impunity. (and for the record: there ARE instances of grown ass women having sex with boys as young, or younger, than Finn and completely avoiding custodial sentences. I'd rather people save their outrage for that and not some model implying she'd fuck him when he's legal)
When I was a kid, that was kinda a normal thing to say to a teen. I had a few grownups saying something to that extend, or the "If I was your age at this stage" and I am not famous at all. I never thought that it was creepy, it isn't as if they would literly do anything. It is another way so saying you're kinda cute. I just told one of my cousins children that he is rather handsom and that I'm glad I didn't have him as competition when I was his age. These days this becomes a problem. She wasn't realy hitting on him. She mentioned that they have an age difference, and therefore nothing will happen but he is rather cute. It use to be a safe way of complementing a teen.
So many child actors grow up to have all sorts of issues ranging from drugs to complete mental breakdowns. I get that we love the cast of Stranger Things but they are kids. Let them be kids. Grow up, sheeple!
Finn has anxiety. Just like a lot of Americans/teenagers. I have it too, and things can get a little too much sometimes. He’s 14. He needs his space just like any other human being. Any RESPECTFUL and RIGHT MINDED person would not bombard him, or anyone when it’s clear they’re in a rush or isn’t in the best mood and doesn’t want to stop for fans. They also wouldn’t bash on him if he declines a picture or autograph. There is an appropriate and inappropriate time to ask for those things. Again, if you use common knowledge, and observation, you’d know when those times are ;) If he declines, he isn’t being ungreatful or rude. You don’t know how his day has been. Maybe he’s stressed, maybe he’s tired, maybe he’s late. Maybe all this chaos triggers his ANXIETY and just wants to get to his room so he can finally have a moment alone, away from the chaos, not constantly being watched and photographed everywhere he goes and have screaming fans yelling at him everywhere he looks. AGAIN USE COMMON KNOWLEDGE/SENSE. Smfh. Give some respect. 🤦🏼♀️😒
There's a video on the Ellen Show RU-vid channel where the boys from Stranger Things play the Heads Up game. The comments section is filled with people -- some claiming to be teenage girls, others admitting to being adults -- talking about how good looking/sexy they are. My immediate reaction was to swap the genders and consider what the response would be if hundreds of men and teenage boys said those things about 13/14 year old girls. There's a huge double standard here. Thanks for bringing that double standard to a wider audience.
What are you talking about? This outrage is the very reason why double standard is getting lesser in our society. So is the Ellen twitter news with Katy Perry. Our world is opening up. People are actually getting mad at females for being inappropriate or sexually provocative regardless of who they're or how hot they're. Stop spreading misinformation and act like our society isn't healing. It is, at least towards the double standard towards females.
to anyone who may see this: is it creepy for a fan the same age as the stranger things kids to think they're attractive? bc all this news is making me feel weird about finding the whole child cast attractive (I'm their age if that wasn't clear)
I don't find adults thinking a child as attractive -as- is a problem. It is a problem when a adult is attracted to a child. Now there is a difference. A father could think his daughter as attractive, someone beautiful. But the very same father being attracted to his daughter is essentially sick, and disgusting as conformed to societal normalcy. Same goes to any other cases. Attractiveness is just displaying fine features physically, or even psychologically. Someone could be a child, and be very eloquent and it could also come up as attractive trait or quality. But it doesn't mean I'm attracted to him/her. However, in this case, she is definitely inappropriate. As to your question, i don't see a problem finding a child attractive. Just don't be attracted, if not that is another whole new problem.
I think by seeing child actors in those situations it really sheds light on how awful we treat celebrities and how much we invade their privacy. Like if you think the kids should be treated that way becaude all celebritied are, then maybe you should reconsider the latter part of that.
The Stranger Things debacle reminds me of when the Sun newspaper published Emma Watson turning 16 (legal age of consent in the UK) on their FRONT PAGE on her birthday. Ugh. I'm so glad this is now getting called out. Yes, you might think a 14 year old child actor "will grow up to be so handsome/beautiful", but you don't have to SAY that, to them, when they clearly don't want it. It's possible to keep thoughts to yourself and not creep everyone else the fuck out...
Twelvetree12 yes, or when Kendall & Kylie Jenner turned 18, or the time Kanye mentioned for Miley to call him when she turned 18 in a song. That being said, I don't remember there being this much talk about it for the girls as they are doing for Finn.
I think society is changing? OR maybe it is a double standard, I mean we saw this 100x worse with Emma Watson. There was countdowns for when shed turned 18, it was just disgusting and not much was said. Maybe after this situation it won't be as much of an issue for either genders.
The only reason to stand outside a hotel and wait for a child and be pissed if they just walk off without acknowledging you is if you are their parent getting a morning coffee/smoke before y'all head out.
I don't get why people are telling others to "Stop being offended" concerning the Finn story. It's not people being offended, it's people finding what Ally said to be disturbing and potentially predatory. You can't exactly tell people to stop being offended at that. If anything, you should be telling people that they're reading into it too much. Was the comment inappropriate, though? Sure, I believe so. In my eyes it would've been different had it been an 18 year old saying that to a 14 year old since the age difference is only 4 years, but we have a woman in her mid twenties telling a 14 year old to hit her up when he's an adult as if she find him attractive already. Was it intentionally pedophilic? No. Maybe inherently, but I HIGHLY doubt Ally would actually have sexual intentions for Finn rather than that she was just trying to compliment him. It's more like you're giving a box of chocolates to a girl you like on Valentine's day, but you throw the box at her. Good intent, bad delivery.
Looking at it, considering it's Phil (y'know the guy who wants child predators to die in a fire? And is a dad, which is partly why he has this stance?) I'd think him saying "Millie is a beautiful little girl" would be as a compliment rather than something with sexual intent, and more well received than if it were, say, DJ Khaled who said that. Not saying he's a pedo but I haven't really heard him say "child predators should die in a fire." And looking back at my original comment, I think I flip-flopped a bit; I honestly don't know what to side with on this issue XD
"as if she find him attractive already" WRONG. as if she can see he will turn up handsome. Offense is on the ears, not in someones mouth. If you make the shiitiest interpretation of what someone says, thats on you.
Sounds like you know more about her than herself..youre just assuming, dont be arrogant. She harassed him? Thats your opinion, and you have as much data to base on as everyone else. My argue is sustained.
On the child actor story: Why the hell do we put Actors and entertainers on such a high pedestal but throw scientists/poets/writers/artists/etc... to the wayside? There are ENTIRE shows dedicated to snooping into their lives. They do their job, they get paid, they go home. Same with as any one of us. Do we seriously need to know every facet of their personal lives off screen? It only gets worse when they pass away. I literally saw more people RIP'ing Muhammad Ali than Maya Angelou. How??
Logitekz actors play roles you are supposed to connect with giving you a artificial closeness to them. Once they stop being in roles you don’t feel that anymore unless they stared in something close to you. Muhammad Ali was a pro fighter and boxing itself is a big part of a lot of people’s lives. Most people can’t appreciate acting as a act but people can with boxing.
you that an average 14-year-old boy is stronger than more than 60% of ALL women. Physical difference and sexual patterns are context, and context matters.
D2016-1 He's a Teenager, and explain to me how it doesn't matter and how making a joke to someone physically superior to you about how cute they are make her a creep
These guys waiting for the Stranger Things stars and then getting offended when they don't say hi kind of seem like the same kind of people who would break into famous RU-vidrs houses and try to get them on camera. Just saying
You're still a child. 19 means you don't know anything yet but have right's you didn't previously have and need to get some experiences under your belt. I was a complete moron at 19 and turned my life into a train wreck.
To me, theres a fine line between looking at Finn (or really any cute/handsome teenager), who is undoubtedly a good looking kid, and thinking "wow, he's gonna grow up to be a hit with the ladies" and writing "not to be weird but hit me up in four years". The latter seems to imply, at least for me, that you're already sexually attracted to the kid and the only thing holding you back is not his age, but rather the law. That is weird.
Ryan Desmond I think he's cute/ attractive but I can't imagine anything sexual because he's a kid and well a cute one at that like a 🐶 but I feel really conscious about even thinking he's attractive in the sense of he's personality
Ryan Desmond It seems the only real difference between those two situations is that one is a private thought, and the other is voiced. The second can also imply you think you may be attracted to them in four years, but you're not now. That being said, it's still a bad idea to voice even that, because kids are even more sensitive to other's expectations of them, and we should do everything we can to take the pressure off of child actors to please everyone.
My views exactly! I DO think Finn is a good looking kid. But not "good looking" as in "I wanna bang ya", just he's a good looking boy who probably will be a heart throb when he's older. The key words here being "when he's older".
I love how the fans always think that the artist owes them something. The artists do what they are good at and what they love doing, it gets published they get paid and you are the one who consumes it because you like the content. How does that amount to them being grateful for the fans? It should be the other way around, the fans should be careful not to alienate the artist so that he/she doesn't stop being so public with their work.
