Combine that with the fact that Hulk *knows* they share a body, and that only one of them can "exist" at a time. Hulk doesn't want to go away, Hulk wants to live his own life. He resents Banner not only because Banner hates him and wants to get rid of him despite Hulk saving his life multiple times, but also because until he was able to escape to Sakaar, Hulk was only ever allowed to come out to fight. As angry as Hulk is, and as much as he clearly *enjoys* smashing things, there IS more to him than just fighting monsters. Sakaar finally allowed Hulk to be Hulk even during downtime.
Dude, Bruce canonically has multiple personality disorder. Hulk is his own individual... well he was spawned by the pent up childhood rage from having an abusive father but hulk is still his own being. We literally see him have a convo with hulk in infinity war when he wants to use hulk's power but hulk doesn't want to.
@@kirby4815162342 Then why does hulk act like a different person in ragnorok? Why is he capable of responding "no" to who is apparently himself? Why does Bruce always refer to the hulk as an individual separate to himself? Why is Jennifer able to retain who she is as the hulk? These questions and more are all answered in the comics on multiple occasions throughout different continuities as multiple personality disorder. Jennifer acts the same because she doesn't have multiple personality disorder. Bruce always refers to him as a different individual because he is a different individual. Hulk can respond "no" because he is a conscious being. Ragnorok hulk acts like a different person because in the comic the movie came from, he was his own person separate being from Bruce. The main plotline of the current hulk run that is still running right now, starship hulk, follows hulk and Bruce as separate personalities and is constantly illustrating that. The comic before that, immortal hulk, was all about his multiple personality disorder and mentioned it constantly and features 4-6 different personalities. The main four being Bruce Banner, salvage/child hulk (Bruce's childhood rage), Joe Fixxit (the grey hulk who was a genius hacker and was a casino mob boss), and devil hulk (the father figure Bruce never had who follows Bruce's luck of not having good father figures), with mentions of Professor hulk (the current mcu hulk), and glimpses and mentions of world War hulk (the hulk that ragnorok hulk is based on) just read it yourself. It may be super gory but it's a great read in my opinion.
@@btg-bp4vl Hulk is canonically a different personality, not a separate individual. Real people with the disorder do refer to the other personalities as separate people. Hulk is not a separate being at all.
@@kirby4815162342 so you agree that Bruce has multiple personality disorder and those who have it and would know the most about agree that other personalities are their own individuals but their also not... can you see where that's confusing?
@@btg-bp4vl Not really, it’s pretty straight forward. Their other personalities are not actual people. Whether they refer to the other personalities as other people or not, it doesn’t change that fact.
2:10 When I first watched this movie, it never occurred to me until now that this....This is not Hulk simply wanting to not revert back to Banner. This is Hulk not wanting to be "put back in the cage of Banner" to only ever see the light of day when Banner loses control for however little time until he calms down again. After 2 years of freedom, having fun and actually living. Hulk here is DESPERATE to live and not revert back to Banner. The face he makes at 2:15 screams desperation. But not in anger or rage as one would think of Hulk....He almost looks like he is screaming in sadness because he feels Banner coming back. And when he finally says "No Banner". I feel like it was not the typical "No I don't want Banner". He was begging Banner himself to not come back. At least that's my take on it re-watching it after all these years.
Do u think it was a "no banner!🚫🙅🏻♂🚫🙅🏻♂ (in the sense of not wanting there to be a Banner)" or more like a "no, banner!!! (in the sense of denying, opposing Banner wanting to return to the body)"?
thats exactly what i thought to like please im here im here im real dont do this to me again. then next time we see him hees that fake smile smug pos green banner. really made me hate banner for the way he treated a part of himself.
"NO BANNER!" (or "NO, BANNER!") is a lot more heartbreaking than I remember it being. Maybe because the Hulk is gone now and Bruce is all that remains. Sad that it's never brought up in any of the movies or shows that the Hulk persona basically died when Bruce took permanent control Edit: Okay. Just to clarify, I understand that Hulk and Banner are supposed to be "merged" now, but it doesn't feel that way. Smart Hulk is still acting like Bruce Banner. We ra rarely see any of the "Hulk" persona ever come out. Sure, he's technically part of this "new" personality, but let's be real. It's 95% Banner's mind and 5% Hulk's attitude. I still feel like Hulk got the short end of the deal here. He doesn't really have much control over this situation.
I dont believe it did, I have a feeling Bruce's current state is actually him somehow suppressing Hulk and all that anger he would feel he is bottling. He's in denial and I think Hulk is going to break out at some point and be very very angry.
@@supergario4425 Oh man, I hope that's true. I personally like Smart Hulk, but I would LOVE to see the return of Savage Hulk. Perhaps in a World War Hulk storyline down the road
Well I rather have smart Hulk than this joke-of-a-Hulk who cant match Thanos for more than 2 mins. He cant even beat nerfed Thor on Sakaar. His issue is he's not getting stronger with anger as he supposed to be.
I appreciate the MCU giving us Hulk not trying to turn into Banner, instead of the usual other way around. As a big Hulk fan, I never realized I needed a scene like that
I think Hulk and Banner are mutually aware of each-other's existence anyway. Hulk seems to hold some resentment towards Banner for wanting him gone despite him saving Banner's life multiple times. I wish we got to see a section of Endgame where Hulk and Banner make peace with each-other instead of just jumping straight to smart hulk and treating it as a joke tbh.
I'm kinda hoping that Marvel snaps out of it after phase 4 and stops writing their storylines like the Hulk would, and Smart Hulk will make the decision to revert his transformation, realising that it was wrong to trap Hulk's consciousness in whatever limbo he's in now. Though wishful thinking, I think it would be nice for them to come full circle back to the seriousness of the Hulk's character, possibly ret conning the happy-go-lucky writing Hulk has had since Endgame as Banner pushing all of his issues under the rug, pretending that everything is fine. At least, that feels like one way they could fix this Hulk issue
@@randomguy7766 I mean phase 4 has been good so far imo. I like the way they're doing she-hulk: attorney at law, I think it's interesting. I do want them to take hulk more seriously tho, but I also realize that part of why they haven't is bc Disney don't really own the rights to the character, and he can only appear if he isn't the main character of what he's in
@@HappyMatt12345 That's fair! I liked the beginning of phase 4 (aka Loki, Wandavision, Shang Chi etc) but the direction they've taken characters recently has rubbed me the wrong way, like Thor, Hulk and even Dr Strange. But yeah, like you said, I do find She Hulk interesting and getting to see what happens with the abomination is enough of a lure for me :)
@@HappyMatt12345 Yeah, it felt like MoM gave a wrong impression of it's scope leading up to it's release, and I feel like what they did with certain characters felt cheap and disingenuous. Meanwhile, without spoiling anything, Love and Thunder felt like it could have been an original disney movie with a wacky and zany adventure.. which would have been fine if that's what Thor's character was previously, which it wasn't
What I don't understand is that he barely seemed to show any emotion after death of Black Widow. They have to have some storyline where he has suppressed his feelings over her death, as he hardly reacted when she died.
Since the infinity war event, hulk change he is afraid and bruce banner become brave and stronger than hulk at psychology...since than hulk forever change
@@ZeePro-5054 it 2 long movies. It kinda hard to fit an 20-30 mins scene for it. They had Tony and cap good bye scene also the movie. I agree they should've had an director cut version with flush out scene. That why DC movies suck.
Hulk is just the classic Jekyll and Hyde taken to an extreme. Hulk is the Id, and while there's still a fully functioning human brain in his head, it's basically turned off during the transformation. He's not quite a mere animal because all of that stuff is still there, and intact, so it does affect his judgement, but it's essentially completely shelved, otherwise, and Hulk runs entirely off of his limbic system with only minimal perceptual or behavioral modification by the rest of his brain. Because of the radically different experiences accrued by each form, each manifests as a distinct personality. It most probably happens because the nature of the transformation is overwhelming to the neocortex, and it just shuts down as a safety measure, leaving the limbic system to be overwhelmed instead (because it CAN'T shut down...that would mean death) and so Hulk mostly just rampages blindly in the early years. As both forms gain experiences individually, and in dealing with one another (remotely, at least), they both change, and Banner's limbic system adapts to the nature of being the Hulk whenever he transforms. What Banner probably did in the lab to fuse the two together was to carefully moderate the transformation to give his neocortex a chance to assimilate the process without spazing out...and to take the load off the limbic system so that it doesn't haul off and wreck everything. Once that equilibrium was achieved...Smart Hulk...
@@afr0cuban57 Yeah...not so much. Just paid attention. Most things in various movies really can't be explained...and it's stupid to try. But, when it actually works out, there's nothing wrong with smoothing out the bumps and filling in the less obtrusive gaps.
Dont you just love how they went straight from this to smart hulk without any explanation on how or if banner was able to combine his two personalities or just somehow forever subdued the hulk.
and rightfully soo I cant wait to see him decimate everyone for treating him like a thoughtless sentientless disease, banner is a huge asshole for lying to us and himself about working things out with him. His smug ass fake smile goofey knowitall face did him dirty i know it.
Fun fact; the reason Hulk gets smarter in Ragnarok is because he has lived longer as the Hulk. In the first avengers he’s just a couple months old, but in Ragnarok he has been the Hulk for long so Hulk has gotten smarter.
honestly, no. not true at all well like kinda true. it's pretty complex haha. it's multiple personality disorder, or dr. jekyll and mr. hyde i'm pretty sure there are times in the comics where bruce and the hulk are separated, like different bodies or at least 'souls' for different characters, and i know for a fact at some point the hulk is written like a werewolf (comes out at night haha) but then there's shit like the hulk can't be mind-controlled not because like he's too angry to be controlled but because of like his willpower i think and that's a hulk thing but he gets it from bruce because i believe it's been explained that only bruce has the willpower to not just always be the hulk and destroy everyone indiscriminately and that's a bruce thing but it's a huge part of the connection between the two characters
I like how at the beginning hulk gets angry and Natasha kneels down, like how an animal may submit to an “alpha” and hulk saw this and immediately turned away, realizing she wasn’t a threat
I always took Hulk and Banner as the older brother, younger brother, relationship. Bruce is older, more experienced and more mature, while Hulk is the younger more voilent brother. Like any toddler, Hulk runs around breaking and yelling at anything that drives him. And Bruce has little to no control, and they hate each other. Hulk doesn't understand the situation yet, because he is new to the world, and gains anger toward what he blames for his situation. The only thing that calms Hulk is love, similar to a mother's love. Over time, they begin to mature and understand eachother. Thus becoming more like twin brothers.
If I could give a hug to The Hulk and Bruce Banner at the same time and have them realize it I would. Hulk need not fear for he always has Mr. Banner always near.
F Hulk, the last moment he had his conscience, desire and personality was in Thor Ragnarok. After that he was brutally killed by Banner (off screen) in the transition to Endgame
WOW THEY REALLY FUCKED THE HULK UP! Even the dynamic between Natalie and Bruce changed because the writing went off in such a weird direction. IMO: (2008) The Incredible Hulk was the most accurate rendition of the Hulk.
You need to realize that the MCU isn't the only way to experience these characters. They did not ruin the Hulk. They ruined the MCU's hulk. Ruffalo's hulk. You have alllll the comics, shows, and animated movies in the world to check out. Don't waste your time getting upset over comic book movies. Because if trivial things like this upset you, then god knows how many things make you absolutely miserable.
@@sarahbelle81 You’re missing the point. We may have all the other versions of hulk in comics, animated series etc but Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk is the main one right now, they’re literally just taking him a whole different way from what we actually want to see.
Ragnarok was so heartbreaking because all that The Hulk wanted was to be loved and adored, he was worshipped as a champion on Sakaar, meanwhile on Earth he was vilified and viewed as a threat, that's most likely why he stayed in that form for so long, because he finally felt safe and accepted.
The fact that Hulk had a consciousness of own and captured Bruce inside him is too dangerous, Bruce rightfully merged his brain with Hulk's body otherwise it would have been a disaster for him!
I wish Hulk came out during Endgame when Banner needed strength to survive the snap. Something like Hulk almost takes over because the gauntlets power was fueling his rage.
Best design of Hulk. They should remake the old Hulk movies into this version. And in the She Hulk series they should use the Hulks aggressive voice instead of the actor.
Mm, it's not so much that hulk doesn't realize he's also Bruce, rather, Bruce's alternate personalities are colliding. With other Hulks, such as Red Hulk or She-Hulk, when they transform, they don't lose any sense of who or what they are, they largely stay the same. With Bruce however, he has psychological trauma from domestic abuse, and has developed DID, but his second personality only ever shows whenever he transforms.
The gun was probably created in case Thawne attacks again. Or even just another speedster. Think about it: Thawne, Zoom, Savitar, the rival, and Godspeed. The team gets threatened by evil Speedsters ALOT. especially Iris. It makes sense after seeing Iris “ die” last season because of Thawne that Barry would want to take extra steps to protect her when he’s not there. They’re planning to build a family after all, so his motivation is even stronger
No, Banner is really heartbreaking bc hulk was protecting Bruce and it’s honestly not hulks fault he saw that the planet could be dangerous and he helped out
I don't really understand why Hulk would agree to merge with Banner. Like Smart hulk has Bruce's brains while he has Hulk's body. Hulk doesn't get to exist pretty much.
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I wonder if Savage hulk is aware of, or even truly understands, that Nat is dead. Nat and Valkyrie are the only 2 people hulk seemed to truly connect with, and would never hurt.
theres a great story about ego and super ego and personality disorder and self hate that we just never gona get what did we get was his cousin twrkin so great job disney
They had something going with Bruce’s internal conflict with the Hulk Dude flat out refused to come out in Infinity War where everyone might’ve needed him most, and it’s resolved off-screen by the time for Endgame I would’ve liked to see how Bruce and Hulk made up with each other to become Professor Hulk
What on earth is going on with the frame rate on this video, it's like the first clip is fine, second clip has motion smoothing, and then the last is 12fps.
The relationship between bruce and hulk always been bad blood, now that bruce is taking better control of it, he’ll only know he is limited without hulk, it’s like naruto not relying on kurama at all, but can tap into his powers at any time
Psychiatrist doc Samson captures the hulk and physically separates hulk and bruce banner. Their individual molecular structures began to destabilize so the vision helped Samson reunite them.
Respectfully, this is not Hulk realising he is Banner ... this is a post hypnotic suggestion using a tactile mindfulness technique; and because of Banners 'relationship' with Widow the 'rage' still recognises her on an emotional level and why/how she gets the opportunity to start the PHS
