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Hurricanes Are Getting Too Large To Measure 

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Hurricanes are getting bigger and becoming more frequent...with the largest becoming too big to measure. A recent paper suggests we need a new way to measure these gigantic storms and help clarify the threat to the public. I want to take a look at what is actually happening, why are they getting worse and what it means for you and I.
Paper: www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas...
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00:00 Hurricanes Are Getting too Big to Measure
3:35 The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale
5:33 Hurricanes That Broke The Scale
7:01 The Destructive Power Of Wind
7:45 How Hurricanes Are Formed
9:30 Introducing Hurricane Category 6
11:22 How Warmer Water Temperatures Create Stronger Hurricanes
13:38 Can We Predict Hurricanes?
15:09 What Does This Mean For Us?
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@LinniageX
@LinniageX 2 месяца назад
Im not sure why everyone ignores what happened to us in 2018 with hurricane Michael but I can tell you the stats on google are wrong. We had CONFIRMED sustained winds over 190 MPH and we had gusts reaching over 240 mph. We got screwed by FEMA and insurance companies, ignored by the media, and denied FEDERAL AID during the whole ordeal. Some of us were without power for 2 or more months and the path of devastation was visible on satellite imagery all the way into Georgia. It took them 6 months to even come back and admit that the Hurricane made landfall as a cat 5. I dont know if adding another category to the scale is going to make a difference when we dont properly record the data anyway.
@Gobbldeegoo1
@Gobbldeegoo1 2 месяца назад
Makes you wonder whose hands got greased to look the other way… Edit: ohhh nvm, just remembered who was president in 2018…
@-astrangerontheinternet6687
@-astrangerontheinternet6687 2 месяца назад
The apple weather app has a temperature and a “feels like” temperature. According to multiple thermometers on my property and around my town- the temperature recorded by apple is wrong. Sometimes by as much as 10 degrees. All the other thermometers will agree with each other, but neither app temp is correct. Remember when we used to throw virgins in volcanoes to control the weather? Or burn witches for bringing bad weather? This is the oldest story there is. The flood.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
Last year we had, what, one hurricane of any magnitude hit the USA?
@Black_VoidXx
@Black_VoidXx 2 месяца назад
I’m surprised nobody has combated this comment yet. Anyways, hey! I’m an avid tropical cyclone tracker, and have been doing so now for the last decade. I tracked Michael from formation to dissipation back in 2018. To some possibility you may be glad to know that Michael was thankfully not 190mph, nor did it have gusts of 240mph! (As I can assure you if it did, the damage would’ve been FAR more exacerbated!). Michael did indeed make landfall as a 160mph Category 5 Hurricane, this also was its peak intensity. I utilised Reconnaissance Aircraft interception data, satellite information and data (SAB, Dvorak, STR), drop-sondes data. I can tell you with this information, the storm was a low end C5 at peak, and it peaked as previously mentioned as it made landfall in the panhandle of Florida. 🤠
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
@@Gobbldeegoo1 Trump is the environmental candidate. People are the SOLE reason for pollution, loss of habitat. Trump is going yo secure the border and deport 20 million illegals. Wild places will be wild again.
@peterdore2572
@peterdore2572 2 месяца назад
Oh, the Super Sayen Reference.... 😢 R.I.P. Akira Toriyama 😭😭😭
@jenniferlee1993
@jenniferlee1993 2 месяца назад
A Princely classification.
@yubicube9137
@yubicube9137 Месяц назад
Super Saiyan*
@amandamcadam114
@amandamcadam114 2 месяца назад
Going through one of these things is almost indescribable. The changes in pressure before, then during, then eye, then hurricane again, hurt my eardrums. They are so loud, its like having your ear right next to a lawn mower. There are the occasional loud booms as large objects hit the building. There was a farm supply store that sold hay with telephone poles near by, and you could see individual strands stuck about 5 cm in the pole.
@anonymeister123
@anonymeister123 2 месяца назад
Your description is spot on. I have intercepted (making it into the eye) several hurricanes. Irma, Florence, Laura, Ida, and Ian.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
Hurricanes were unheard of before 1995.
@baneverything5580
@baneverything5580 2 месяца назад
Went through my first hurricane in 1965...Betsy in New Orleans. Laura in 2020 was terrible too. Nobody helped us.
@seankingwell3692
@seankingwell3692 Месяц назад
@@baneverything5580 and we know the government has been modifying weather and creating hurricanes since WW2
@amandagodkin3296
@amandagodkin3296 24 дня назад
@TeddyRumble Betsey, Camille, Juan, Andrew, the one that wiped out Last Island and took the lives of nearly every millionaire in the U.S. you clearly don't know what you are talking about
@tymbaone1
@tymbaone1 2 месяца назад
I think the current scale for classifying hurricanes is grossly inadequate. Hurricane Patricia was a small intense storm. Hurricanes are vastly different in size and intensity. A small category 5 that spins up fast has a limited storm surge. A large category 3 with a long fetch, while not the same wind speed can have an enormous storm surge that can wipe all evidence of human habitation from coastal areas. A storm much weaker in wind speed, but lower forward speed can dump catastrophic amounts of rain and cause thousand year floods. Until we start trusting the public with information rather than minimizing panic, people will die from ignorance. Slapping a number on a storm without really preparing people for what's coming is negligence. The 5 categories we have are already inadequate, adding the number 6 leaves the inadequacy in place and adds more confusion with deadly results.
@user-kz1ln7wk8r
@user-kz1ln7wk8r Месяц назад
Well said 😊
@amzarnacht6710
@amzarnacht6710 Месяц назад
Well, if humans were smart they'd leave a minimum of one mile wild along the coasts but noooooo... they're more important than nature and have to live directly on the beach. They deserve 1000% of what they get.
@melodieraska6973
@melodieraska6973 2 месяца назад
Roughly 30 years ago i watched every series the Weather Channel had to offer....i wanted to be a meteorologist. After 50 years of studying......these are no longer hurricanes....they are Hypercaines....they were just a theory storm 40 years ago.....now they are real.❤ Thank you for this...❤
@friedrichjunzt
@friedrichjunzt Месяц назад
Interesting times to be alive! 😶
@fenrirgg
@fenrirgg Месяц назад
I'm concerned by the ❤️s
@savagesarethebest7251
@savagesarethebest7251 2 месяца назад
There is one thing that I don’t understand, If wind is such a problem; Why don't they build houses with stone instead of toothpicks?
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 2 месяца назад
We can build houses that would withstand a Cat 5 or even Cat 6 storm, but you wouldn't be able to afford them.
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 месяца назад
Why not address the cause of the increased intensity in storms?
@bladi-senpai9398
@bladi-senpai9398 2 месяца назад
@@incognitotorpedo42so why we can afford them in latin America? Specially in the Caribbean island he have real houses made of concrete, being way way way way way more poor than the average in the us. but in US they are just disposable.
@harrythompson6977
@harrythompson6977 2 месяца назад
LOL@@incognitotorpedo42
@Trahzy
@Trahzy Месяц назад
​@@bladi-senpai9398You're naive thinking brick and concrete will stop 200 mph winds. I suggest you look up the Joplin and Moore tornadoes damage. Your concrete won't help you even then😂
@hans-uelijohner8943
@hans-uelijohner8943 2 месяца назад
The flooding of New Orleans was due to the Army Corps of Engineers poor work on the protection walls. The very sad thing is, that exactly what happened was predicted in a book years before!
@jimk8520
@jimk8520 2 месяца назад
It wasn’t poor work. It was the exact work we paid for - no more, no less. We get what we pay for.
@hans-uelijohner8943
@hans-uelijohner8943 2 месяца назад
Well, then you definitively did not pay enough. Actually the Army Corps of Engineers is building a new barrier system for New Orleans, does it include sea level rise? NOOO!@@jimk8520
@blucat4
@blucat4 2 месяца назад
It was due to the people, the Government, the Mayor, not upgrading the levees even though the meteorologists had been warning them to do it for 5 years.
@baneverything5580
@baneverything5580 2 месяца назад
What do you expect? They were warned, right?
@yvonneplant9434
@yvonneplant9434 2 месяца назад
​@@blucat4I remember one Dutch meteorologist who predicted what could happen who cried when it did...happen.😢
@riskyron1416
@riskyron1416 2 месяца назад
A correction. Meteorologist deals with weather. A Metrologist deals with precision measurements certifiable to National and World Standards Labs. I was a Chief Metrologist for Aircraft and Aerospace companies for many years. Great video with that one error.
@pinkgarage
@pinkgarage 2 месяца назад
Paul Beckwith has recently reviewed a number of papers highlighting the rapid decline of ice in the polar caps and warming oceans and impacts to global currents - last few days have been eye opening and depressing, as we have crossed over one of the big Tipping Points..., and this, unfortunately, dovetails into that presentation, harbingers of nasty things to come...
@jameswalker758
@jameswalker758 Месяц назад
The rapid decline of ice in the polar caps has eneded withthe first cycle of the Grand Solar Minimum, in fact today the are expanding to recover back to 1880 level over time.
@birdbrainiac
@birdbrainiac 2 месяца назад
Beau of the fifth column made a great point: right nnow people flee Cat 5 hurricanes because they have the highest rating and are most dangerous. If we introduce a Cat 6 level, many people will assume a Cat 5 isnt as deadly and will stay in the danger zone longer, and more deaths will happen.
@Bushman9
@Bushman9 2 месяца назад
Stupid people make a lot of bad assumptions.
@arcadiaberger9204
@arcadiaberger9204 2 месяца назад
@@Bushman9 More Darwin Awards, I suppose.... :-(
@rdelrosso1973
@rdelrosso1973 2 месяца назад
Well, with all due respect, isn't that like saying I am going to ignore my Brain Cancer, since a Bullet fired into my head is WORSE than Cancer?
@birdbrainiac
@birdbrainiac 2 месяца назад
@@Bushman9yes, people will make bad decisions. But when YOUR decision will lead to OTHER people dying, even if you think those people are stupid, you do have to weigh that decision carefully.
@exeexecutor
@exeexecutor 2 месяца назад
The numbers are not there to make suggestions for what people should do they are there to represent the strength of hurricanes. What people decide to do is a completely different problem.
@davidmatheny1993
@davidmatheny1993 Месяц назад
Hurricane threats need to be broken up into categories like how the SPC tries to define storm threats by risk of hail or damaging winds vs. just tornadoes. Only a limited area experiences the most damaging winds in a hurricane, so certain areas need to be warned more or less urgently for risks like storm surge or inland flooding.
@LordZolgonark
@LordZolgonark 2 месяца назад
The most succinct summary I heard about all this is from Wally Broecker. “The climate system is an angry beast, and we are poking it with sticks.”
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
So scientific!!!
@EllieM_Travels
@EllieM_Travels 2 месяца назад
I feel very fortunate to have lived in Florida 14 years and only went through Cat 1 & 2 hurricanes. Irma and Ian weren’t direct hits, and when the eye of Nicole passed over us it was a Cat 1. I cannot even imagine a Cat 5 or 6!! Ian was enough of a scare for me.
@TheAnticorporatist
@TheAnticorporatist 2 месяца назад
For those who asked: 157 miles per hour = 252.667 kilometers per hour
@larrybuzbee7344
@larrybuzbee7344 2 месяца назад
I and many others saw this coming 50 years ago. It's basic thermodynamics; increase the total energy of a closed system with continuous flow and you get more intense fluctuations in local disorder. Entropy always wins in the end.
@stephenmkahler
@stephenmkahler 2 месяца назад
This is a wonderful video topic. I've been hoping someone would discuss this for some time.
@phlanxsmurf
@phlanxsmurf 2 месяца назад
Absolutely love your content Dr. Miles. Thanks for posting.
@blair56561
@blair56561 2 месяца назад
The presentation of data and analysis in this video is very valuable for people that can understand it. Most people are not concerned with weather, and most have not been educated to comprehend the ins and outs of severe weather occurrences. What most people do understand is numerical ratings. In my opinion 1-5 should remain the standard ratings for severe weather phenomenons. I don’t see any reason to complicate it and add another numerical rating. The folks that rely on significant weather ratings to determine their safety will never need to know the difference between a cat. 5 hurricane and a cat. 6. Same goes for the Fujita scale. 1-5!
@khalifacoe3694
@khalifacoe3694 Месяц назад
Completely agreed; quite frankly all information is made available by NOAA/NWS. Problem is the general public doesn’t care enough to understand/educate themselves about the weather. I find it amusing some of the people in the comments are berating our weather services for trying to help folks keep composure.
@dieterkonig5588
@dieterkonig5588 2 месяца назад
To catogorize storms by windspeed falls short today in my opinion. Hurricanes pick up much more moisture now than before. They often move slower over the warmer ocean and at landfall the amount of rain can cause realy a lot of demage - although the windspeed is 'only' category 4.
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
Less people die now than ever from storms been the trend. Stuff just cost more so damages estimate way higher it's propaganda for climate change
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
And your PhD was in what, again???
@baneverything5580
@baneverything5580 2 месяца назад
Laura in Louisiana was cat 5...but they lied to reduce federal aid. See Michael too...they were neglected as well.
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
Fair point but needing more than a 5 is propaganda
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
@@baneverything5580 wtf they lie the other way
@jamesreid8638
@jamesreid8638 2 месяца назад
Sandy was a pretty big storm in the US, and close to 1800 km in diameter, very late in the season, where much of the precipitation fell as snow, with a substantial storm surge.
@noway6690
@noway6690 2 месяца назад
This is crazy, THE FASTEST WIND SPEEDS WE HAVE EVER "RECORDED" (OVER WATER). People keep forgetting that "ever recorded" has nothing to do with "never seen before" or "never happened".
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 2 месяца назад
If there is any positive notes is there is some degree of uncertainty about if larger hurricanes can produce those high end wind speeds, even with significant increases with avg ocean temp rises. This may actually lead to smaller, more compact, but exceedingly powerful storms like Patricia. We don't really know enough though on how these systems will behave long term after a few eye wall replacement cycles and if they will maintain their size or if they will spin down some strength wise but greatly expand their wind fields. In fact the over all variables guiding a tropical warm core storm's overall size is poorly understood. We have seen storms the size of a few counties all the way to storms that could cover half of the US and with eyewall wind speeds that are high or low regardless of the size. Meteorologists have a lot of work to do here in the coming years.
@micheletwilkinson-penningt6940
@micheletwilkinson-penningt6940 2 месяца назад
1st time viewer. Loved the content & presentation!!! Glad i found this.
@Isabella.s414
@Isabella.s414 2 месяца назад
Hit by Ian …. These things are unimaginably powerful. Where they make landfall is hard to mark until the landfall is actually underway. I’ve been hearing this season will be intense. Have there ever been a landfall in the same spot?
@Trahzy
@Trahzy Месяц назад
Charley in '04 was Ian's strength and landed in the exact same spot, almost exactly. Punta Gorda/Ft Myers.
@amandagodkin3296
@amandagodkin3296 24 дня назад
Most definitely! Where I live in South Louisiana we have taken no less than 8 direct hits in my lifetime Ida, Katrina, Rita, Andrew, Juan, Camille, Betsey, Isaac
@jimk8520
@jimk8520 2 месяца назад
And people living in danger zones wonder why their insurance keeps going up. Smh
@alphared4655
@alphared4655 Месяц назад
What do you expect to do?? The insurance companies are greedy AF. You deal with them and see how you feel when they won't cover a fence because it wasn't made of the right wood or some crap they make an excuse to not have to pay up. I've given my insurance company 20,000 over the past ten years and they don't move a muscle and it still keeps going up.
@jimk8520
@jimk8520 Месяц назад
@@alphared4655 Don’t have the pocket for it? Move to safer (lower insurance rate) areas.
@secretagentcat
@secretagentcat Месяц назад
the part that fills me with such anger is the fact WE KNEW that climate change was going to be bad. But humanity needs INFINITE consumption. we are poking at a bear we can't even see yet. i hope that humanity can come together, because a lot of collapse related things are starting to rise quickly, and i've noticed more videos calling it out just disappear or get cut in video. We could've done something but people would rather be docile and selfish. I wish i wasnt disabled i want to do actual things for humanity, even when they are walking straight into the storms.
@genomccoy5885
@genomccoy5885 2 месяца назад
Hurricane Dorian should be upgraded to a cat 6, and Patricia should be upgraded to cat 7!
@TimFrench-tx1xj
@TimFrench-tx1xj 2 месяца назад
Excellent. Summary is spot on.
@sargentrowell81
@sargentrowell81 Месяц назад
Wow. We're in an era where not only is the EF scale for Tornadoes possibly being re-invented so to speak to more properly reflect all conditions around the life of a tornado and not only damage, but hurricanes are also about to get a modification to their ranking scale? That's pretty crazy.
@photohounds
@photohounds 2 месяца назад
For the first time in history? Ah hes start in 1950 - a known LOW activity period. Not so fast . . . look at THE GREAT Hurricane of 1780
@photohounds
@photohounds 2 месяца назад
Must have been terrifying . . . 6x1 inch planks, driven right through Tree trunks, only a few stone buildings left (partly) standing. NO vegetation at all survived on the islands it hit, and neither did any man-made structure. NOTHING was left standing. If there had been a trillion dollars worth of real estate there in those days, THAT would have been the damage bill.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
His records go back 3 billion years, lol.
@CosmicFlux
@CosmicFlux 2 месяца назад
It is true that "first time in history" might be inaccurate, but data that old isn't exactly reliable. Possibly "first time in reliably recorded history" would be a better choice of words. Does it really matter though? The point of this video was about trends now, not an outlier ~300 years ago. That storm could have been a 1 in a 1000 years storm. Yet, we are starting to have multiple of these 1 in 1000 years storms in a single century.
@i_am_a_toast_of_french
@i_am_a_toast_of_french 2 месяца назад
records before the 1950s were incomplete, had trash data, and no one was tracking hurricanes as their full time job back then
@NickHarger
@NickHarger 2 месяца назад
No one will take a category 3 or 4 seriously if there were 6 categories.
@blucat4
@blucat4 2 месяца назад
Their stupidity is not our problem. *Some* people will take it seriously.
@joyfullone3968
@joyfullone3968 2 месяца назад
I lived in FL for 20 years, some people will take every category seriously and some people will not take any category seriously. I left FL in 2020 I knew it was just gonna get worse. The insurance rates in FL are becoming out of reach for many!
@user-hz6cx3zh1y
@user-hz6cx3zh1y 2 месяца назад
I’d need to see more data to be totally convinced. Listened to arguments against this idea previously.
@Andrew_Murro
@Andrew_Murro 2 месяца назад
Another comment that probably shadow banned here is that it is not correct to say that storms are increasingly causing more damage prove hurricanes are more powerful. All it means is there is more real estate and more expensive real estate to damage. Wind speed, rain, and storm surge determine to “power” of a hurricane, and that has not statistically worsened according to the organizations like the National hurricane center
@blucat4
@blucat4 2 месяца назад
The wind speed has gone up, which is precisely the measure that this video addresses.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
A BILLION MILES PER HOUR!!!​@@blucat4
@Andrew_Murro
@Andrew_Murro 2 месяца назад
I suggest you read the actual numbers from the National hurricane center. There is no upward trend in hurricane intensity, meaning wind speed This claim is not supported by the facts. We would all be a bit more informed about reality if we took the time to NOT blindly follow false claims. I like Ben’s work, but he is wrong on this. @@blucat4
@Andrew_Murro
@Andrew_Murro Месяц назад
Interesting. Then why are there no more cat 5s, no more cat 4s, no more Cat 3s than in the past. If wind speeds are increasing by any statistical amount you would actually see more hurricanes in the upper categories. Yet there are no more. This is more unscientific babble @@blucat4
@markmcleod6376
@markmcleod6376 2 месяца назад
Great video Ben. One correction, the Galveston hurricane in 1900 was the worst death toll of any US hurricane. In fact it may still be the highest death toll of any US natural disaster. It’s worth reading about.( I’m correcting the news clip, not you BTW.)
@charlestaylor3195
@charlestaylor3195 2 месяца назад
I think man is capable of making buildings that withstand or work with the characteristics of a storm to minimize property damage and loss of life especially in the areas that frequently sustain damage during hurricane season. If landfall makes a storm weaker, we could design structures or shape the ground to weaken the storm even more.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
A BILLION miles per hour!!!!!
@dylonpress7034
@dylonpress7034 Месяц назад
The only things i know about hurricanes is that they create strong winds, cause flooding, and lead to higher sales of boats
@LeiffNathanAMendoza
@LeiffNathanAMendoza 2 месяца назад
True all effects must be coded and since change is constant all shall be considerably adapt
@prezzJ
@prezzJ Месяц назад
Here's a simple answer. Keep your Cat1-Cat5 system. If a Hurricane ever reaches 225mph sustained then classify it as a "Supercane" We already have the "Hypercane" theory, so apply a medium concept between what's classified as that and a Hurricane.
@ravenken
@ravenken 2 месяца назад
I think that at the end of this year (2024) the S&S Scale will need to add Cat 7 and possibly Cat 8. It's going to be wild. Also, it appears you really don't have a handle on how bad things are. You mentioned we are at 1.1C above. Woah, you are off. Also, you seem to think that this warming is on some type of switch. Sorry, it is going to get a lot warmer a lot quicker now. You seem to be driving by looking out the back window. I do agree that we need to modify the scale. As a society, we are very exposed to tremendous ($) damage and the insurance markets are beginning to reflect that.
@secretagentcat
@secretagentcat Месяц назад
yeah its all over. china is already feeling the climate belt with all the record floodings. it flooded in BEIJING, a city known for not being very susceptable to weather events like that. humanity is slowly walking into it's demise, its pathetic how bad most people dont get it. Call your congressmen, VOTE, use your 2A, because this WILL get worse. and to people who think hurricanes can be controlled, you are brainlets. and to anybody living near a hurricane prone area I hope you stay safe.
@dalehalliday3578
@dalehalliday3578 2 месяца назад
very interesting. One minor quibble -- being a science geek, it would be nice if you consistently used metric measures (imperial could be in brackets). Miles and miles per hour kept interrupting my train of thought as I deciphered it.
@i_am_a_toast_of_french
@i_am_a_toast_of_french 2 месяца назад
tropical cyclone wind speeds are normally measured in knots lol
@Fiscals_Organics
@Fiscals_Organics 2 месяца назад
Gentle reminder that the thumbnail is completely inaccurate , largest cat 5 was maybe the size of number 2-3 if that , the hell you getting a hurricane the size of africa
@genomccoy5885
@genomccoy5885 2 месяца назад
Category 6 and Category 7 may as well add them to the saffir simpson scale
@curtisbrown5939
@curtisbrown5939 Месяц назад
That's what y'all said last year,and every year.
@astrovation3281
@astrovation3281 Месяц назад
Yes and it's coming more true
@jun31d_14
@jun31d_14 Месяц назад
Yes because it happened every year
@curtisbrown5939
@curtisbrown5939 Месяц назад
@@jun31d_14 no it didn't,last year it was supposed to be a "record year" for violent hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, there was ZERO
@jun31d_14
@jun31d_14 Месяц назад
@@curtisbrown5939 Every year the conditions are more and more favourable for those hurricanes to form, that’s why they keep on saying this every year, cause the chances of it happening every year is more favourable for the development of record breaking ones, it doesn’t mean it will happen, the chances of it are simply higher
@curtisbrown5939
@curtisbrown5939 Месяц назад
@@jun31d_14 that literally makes ZERO sense. It seems to me like if they keep saying one thing and the opposite keeps happening that they're more wrong than right. If you keep predicting something it will eventually be correct,then they can jump up and down and say "look I told you so."
@WilliamPhillips-og4be
@WilliamPhillips-og4be Месяц назад
What if the storms aren’t getting stronger, but our weather systems are getting more accurate with technological advances?
@nickbrutanna9973
@nickbrutanna9973 Месяц назад
Except it's not. Actual global metrics of total ACE -- Accumulated Cyclone Energy -- has been DECREASING since 1990. This is absolutely the opposite of what would be happening if there was actual substantial warming around the world. Localized issues are not indicative of anything significant except "Oh, crap, we just got fucked... _We_ personally did, not everyone." This is from a study published in Geophysical Letters. 😕
@ReesCatOphuls
@ReesCatOphuls 2 месяца назад
14:38 "we are on 1.1C" ... What data set, what baseline, and what smoothing are you using. Using a 10 year + quadratic best fit for copernicus, on the 1850-1900 baseline we are around 1.4C.
@robertwells1989
@robertwells1989 2 месяца назад
The research by Werner and Kossin seems to contrast with review by Knutson NOAA/Geophysical fluid dynamics research lab, 2024, Global Warming and Hurricanes, An Overview of Current Research Results. The knutson review also highlights uncertainty on future predictions and even latest trend analysis. Of particular note was the mention of Swanson, 2008, who corrected data for previous under-reporting compared to present day due to observation methods. Also of note was lack of confidence in attribution to AGW by many studies. Note that even when attributions were made with medium confidence, that translates (in IPCC speak) to 5/10. To me, thats more like "really not too sure".
@pandemik0
@pandemik0 2 месяца назад
Each category in the Saffir-Simpson scale spans roughly 20% higher than the last. A category 7 is justfied in 188mph-226mph which Hurricane Partricia was in the middle of. Wind force goes up with the cube of speed so each 20% is more like 70% more force.
@puppybasket3906
@puppybasket3906 2 месяца назад
You might want to take a look at the unprecedented ocean temperatures that have taken hold this year already. Looking at all the factors I am thinking it is going to be breaking records. Florida, while not the only spot, is becoming the Petri dish for global warming dangers in the US. Not only are storms getting worse, the beaches are disappearing, the are outbreak central for diseases and a preview of what will happen when the insurance industry just bails from an area.
@FrancisFjordCupola
@FrancisFjordCupola 2 месяца назад
Well... our scales are of course based on our experiences. We change the conditions we live in and our experiences will change. Attaching a number to anything like hurricanes allows us to reason about things like weather and expectations of what issues we will face after the phenomenon has passed. Having to add another category on top of things that were bad can hopefully have the good influence of some people reconsidering if we are going in the direction we want to be going and change their lifestyles.
@robertbiolsi9815
@robertbiolsi9815 Месяц назад
New Orleans made it thru the worst of Katrina .It was the poor construction of the levys that should have held but didn't .
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies Месяц назад
Rampant corruption in the New Orleans city govt prevented the needed upgrades and maintenance on the levees and related parts. Yes, Katrina would be a non-topic if the levees were in the condition they were supposed to be.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 2 месяца назад
By the way the thumbnail is a gross exagration... The cat system does not work that way...
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 2 месяца назад
One thing you did not mention that is also a major factor in damage and lives being lost is hurricanes are not only able to get stronger with warmer oceans, they can also rapidly intensify much more quickly. In the past 7 or 8 years I have seen far more dramatic RI cycles including Huricanes Patricia as you noted, Michael, Idalia, Ian, and Ida among a few others and thats not even looking at t he western pacific. All had significant strength changes in under 24 (and some even less than that) hours at the upper end of forecast guidance. This can be deadly as people on the coast may see a cat 1 coming 2 days out and decide to stay put only for it to RI to a cat 4 or 5 just a day or less prior to landfall. This was a major issue with Ian and Michael.
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
I grew up in Miami that's nothing new that's how hurricanes work
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
Less people die due to weather then ever were good stop the climate fear campagne
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 2 месяца назад
@@turtletom8383 simple not true. Some Hurricanes have had RI cycles for sure, but RI cycles are measurably faster and making more intense peaks over the past 10 years. I've been tracking hurricanes for almost 30 years.
@turtletom8383
@turtletom8383 2 месяца назад
@@hgbugalou that's not long in wether
@norman6492
@norman6492 2 месяца назад
And Hurricane Otis was another prime example. It exploded from an 80 mph Cat 1 to a 165 mph Cat 5 within 12 hours. Nobody in the path knew what was happening until it was too late.
@maurenemorgan5814
@maurenemorgan5814 2 месяца назад
Wish Miles addressed Acapulco devastation.
@sk8rjoel567
@sk8rjoel567 Месяц назад
I like the spaceballs reference. Cat7 ludicrous speed. At what category does a hurricane go plaid?
@djkfrmdubuque4762
@djkfrmdubuque4762 Месяц назад
9:37 is that CA?
@SwordQuake2
@SwordQuake2 13 дней назад
0:07 murican news are a meme...
@williamcrockett8511
@williamcrockett8511 2 месяца назад
I was going to say typhoons are over Pacific Ocean
@snowtigerko
@snowtigerko 2 месяца назад
Measuring hurricanes by wind speed alone is definitely outdated, have there been any theoretical hurricane categories based on other elements like air pressure, wind shear, and humidity? Is there even enough data far enough back? There's so many tiny pieces of the puzzle that create these things, wind speed alone is enough for the general public to understand, but it's really not enough for the science and research anymore.
@snowtigerko
@snowtigerko 2 месяца назад
Great video btw!!
@user-ez5qc4ok4r
@user-ez5qc4ok4r 2 месяца назад
Any study of the long term weather patterns will show that the earth's climate has always been dynamic, and as the earth is now at the end of a glaciation period, of course the weather will change. more serious education and less fearmongering will benefit people more than the hysteria that has taken hold of certain self interest groups.
@punditgi
@punditgi 2 месяца назад
Please don't leave out metric values in your fine videos. Both RU-vid and English are global. Thanks! 😊
@Dqtube
@Dqtube 2 месяца назад
​@@TheDankFarmerIf we talk about wind speed we often use m/s( as the derived SI unit ) and multiply by 0,44704 in head is not easy for everyone. So for some folks I can be helpful. Not everyone enjoys math.
@tgifford4
@tgifford4 2 месяца назад
The Moore, Oklahoma, tornado was 300+ mph.
@cabanford
@cabanford 2 месяца назад
Cat 6 -> "Tornadocaine"
@Earthneedsado-over177
@Earthneedsado-over177 2 месяца назад
Tycyclocain. Ask your doctor if 215 mph winds and 20 ft of water is right for you.
@cabanford
@cabanford 2 месяца назад
@@Earthneedsado-over177 hahaha 🤣
@lilblackduc7312
@lilblackduc7312 2 месяца назад
"If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything".
@i_am_a_toast_of_french
@i_am_a_toast_of_french 2 месяца назад
there isn't much data here to torture tho... it's hard to cherrypick
@jamesschmidt2817
@jamesschmidt2817 2 месяца назад
Insurance companies know this that’s why they jacked their rates so much.
@randydyck9353
@randydyck9353 2 месяца назад
Thank you Ben. Yes we need a cat 6 label. Just like trying to stop a car, you square the power required to stop for each 10 mph. In your example they cube the power for wind speed. Cat 6 is needed.
@NicoTheProtogen
@NicoTheProtogen Месяц назад
They’ve been saying this for years my friend and yet nothing happened
@BoxEnjoyer
@BoxEnjoyer Месяц назад
Hurricane Patricia...
@TheCreator-dx3vc
@TheCreator-dx3vc 2 месяца назад
Anything above 196MPH should just be called Cat X
@petterlarsson7257
@petterlarsson7257 2 месяца назад
10:00 DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST AI INTERPOLATE THAT
@chrissscottt
@chrissscottt 2 месяца назад
A metrologist specializes in measurement whereas a meteorologist specializes in weather.
@spokenme08
@spokenme08 Месяц назад
They could do a damage based scale like we do with Tornadoes. The weather weenies will argue regardless. If the analogs are correct then this year is going to be wild.
@Trahzy
@Trahzy Месяц назад
If it were possible to measure the exact wind of every tornado in the first place, they probably would. It's easy to with hurricanes.
@BassBashin
@BassBashin 2 месяца назад
I was told Katrina was so bad because the levees broke. By someone who lived in the area. If the levees didn’t break it wouldn’t have been so bad. Human error is the main problem here.
@solarflares9760
@solarflares9760 2 месяца назад
Great!!!!!!;
@aBRUSHforCONFUCIUS
@aBRUSHforCONFUCIUS Месяц назад
They have been saying this for 40 years now. In the 1970's it was a new ice age. However, the number and intensity of the storms has dimished over the last century. Ocean temps are cooler now. Need warmer temps for storms. Just like ocean level rise, you can look at photos from the 1800's and see nothing has happened. New York City is supposed be under water by now. This is all about manipulation. The 1930's was the hottest decade. In the 1920's, they were reporting the glaciers would be gone from Glacier National Park, by the end of the decade. They did the same thing in the 1980's, but said it was global warming, but the glaciers are now bigger than ever. Do not let these people manipulate you. Ask, "why are they starting data charts on this date? "can I find newspapers to verify in last century? Has this data been changed? What were people saying 30 , 40 or 50 years ago? Why is the data being presented this way and is something being left out? Watch out for so called adjustment. They have done this with the temp rise, and are saying it is hotter now than in the 1930's You can look up temps in newspaper archives, and show the US is alot cooler now, except for a slight increase in nighttime temps. The Dustbowl happened because of this heat. The UN Report for cl8mate change does not give a cause and the increase is a lot lower than projected.
@arcadiaberger9204
@arcadiaberger9204 2 месяца назад
As the atmosphere gets warmer, wind speeds will get higher. Count on it. An SF novel from the 1990s featured a terrifying possibility: there is no reason to think that wind speeds in hurricanes cannot exceed the speed of sound. What kind of damage could a Mach-Plus storm cause? Especially if it is powerful enough to keep going while passing over land? How might it scour away forests, farms and cities?
@photohounds
@photohounds 2 месяца назад
You mean like the GREAT HURRICANE of 1780 DID? Must have been terrifying 6x1 inch planks, driven right through Tree trunks, only a few stone buildings left (partly) standing. NO vegetation at all survived on the islands it hit, and neither did any man-made structure. NOTHING was left standing. If there had been a trillion dollars worth of real estate there, THAT would have been the damage bill.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
No climate emergency.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
LOL. You're laughable.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
​@@photohounds1780, obviously a product of the soon to come Industrial Revolution
@tymbaone1
@tymbaone1 2 месяца назад
Are you speaking of John Barnes, Mother Of Storms? If not, i'd be interested in knowing which book you're refering to. John Barnes made some amazing predictions regarding weather phenomena and geopolitical and technological trends.
@huck2284
@huck2284 2 месяца назад
Im pretty sure that Hurricane Andrew in 1992 was one of these "extreme" storms and many others before that. Not a fan of altering historical records knowing that Barometers have been around for a very long time and are still used to gauge hurricane strength today. Also, Im pretty sure that the "coriolis effect" has nothing to do with why storms rotate.
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 2 месяца назад
Ask the Google... Coriolis effect does seem to be the reason.
@huck2284
@huck2284 2 месяца назад
@@incognitotorpedo42 I try not to put all my trust in Google. Anticyclonic Tornadoes? Air rotates counter clockwise around low pressure and clockwise around high pressure. I just can't see the logic in something that's "surface based" being affected by Earth's rotation, and I can't understand Why there would be any difference between northern and southern hemispheres when they're both going the same direction?
@silverecco
@silverecco 2 месяца назад
@huck2284 The surface rotates fastest at the equator right? It's going to furthest distance per 24hrs. Then as you move toward the poles, molecules have progressively less inertia, but in fluids they will still try to pull the adjacent molecules to some extent. A disk over North America you would spin the bottom (near equator) to the right and get counter-clockwise disk motion. Over South America spin the top (near equator) to the right, and the disk will rotate clockwise. At least I think that's how it works. It would be a pretty minor effect especially in air, and as you mentioned the force can be easily overcome by winds, etc. I wonder why dam spillways aka "glory holes" don't show a spin but sink drains do. Bigger diameter should be greater inertia difference between top and bottom.
@huck2284
@huck2284 Месяц назад
@@silverecco I greatly appreciate you taking the time to explain the concept to me. Ive studied it a good bit but haven't gotten any closer to being able to except the coriolis effect theory. Do you have any idea why our weather systems move in the same direction that the earth spins across north America?
@Memessssss
@Memessssss 2 месяца назад
Bro if 2024 has a 200mph storm they gotta add a diff scale 💀
@Kierohn
@Kierohn 2 месяца назад
Naw if you look up most powerful hurricane (215 it says it would be cat7💀💀
@charlessaunders1217
@charlessaunders1217 2 месяца назад
With high water temps this year, there can be a 200mph hurricane possible
@The_hot_blue_fire_guy
@The_hot_blue_fire_guy 2 месяца назад
One idea is to add both imperial and metric units in the video, instead of just choosing one or the other just use both.
@ReesCatOphuls
@ReesCatOphuls 2 месяца назад
14:50 this table needs a source and baseline, otherwise it's just gibberish.Using 1850-1900 all the big institutions put us near 1.5C for the calendar one year average for 2023. Berkeley Earth: 1.54C, Copernicus: 1.48C, NOAA 1.35C. How do you get 1.18C for 2023.
@terrific804
@terrific804 Месяц назад
"Potential Threat that is looming" redundant-mongering😂
@opinionatedopiner
@opinionatedopiner Месяц назад
Let's combine the names into one and just call them Typhhurrclones
@martin5504
@martin5504 2 месяца назад
When did records begin?
@eniax
@eniax 2 месяца назад
Exactly. Satellite measurement data began in the early 80s I think.
@yorkshireplumbing
@yorkshireplumbing 2 месяца назад
Doesn't matter, they'll just alter them anyway like they have temps.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
His records go back 3 billion years. Just ask him. Fear mongering click bait.
@eniax
@eniax 2 месяца назад
@@TeddyRumble lol... sarcasm right?
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
@@eniax that stack of temperature records is like 80 feet high!!! Impressive! Tower of Babel!
@Khannea
@Khannea 2 месяца назад
These are amazingly wet hurricanes, from the standpoint of water.
@Earthneedsado-over177
@Earthneedsado-over177 2 месяца назад
They are bad from the standpoint of badly.
@Khannea
@Khannea 2 месяца назад
@@Earthneedsado-over177 Greatly embiggened.
@TeddyRumble
@TeddyRumble 2 месяца назад
YES!!! Hurricane NEVER produced rain before!!!
@yeetyeet7070
@yeetyeet7070 2 месяца назад
just add more numbers to the scale
@yetibluedog
@yetibluedog 2 месяца назад
The problem wont be solved with reclassifications; more loss would be expected as they keep ignoring warnings and building in known risk areas, that are general flood zones to begin with.
@anonymeister123
@anonymeister123 2 месяца назад
Category 3 is wrong. You said 111mph to 219mph
@cabanford
@cabanford 2 месяца назад
It was just an audio typo
@Earthneedsado-over177
@Earthneedsado-over177 2 месяца назад
It was a boo boo but we can read.
@user-qb2jn9zh9i
@user-qb2jn9zh9i 2 месяца назад
Americans should remember what they owe their independence to and not be afraid of any Patricia. Let me also remind you that those ancient events took place during the Little Ice Age, when temperatures dropped to their lowest levels in almost ten thousand years.
@eugenethomson1181
@eugenethomson1181 Месяц назад
Glad you use mph
@JupiterCamelz
@JupiterCamelz Месяц назад
Too much frequency within the new weather mod machine 😂🤷🏾‍♂️
@anguinechip
@anguinechip Месяц назад
Question: Has Europe hurricanes or something like that?
@astrovation3281
@astrovation3281 Месяц назад
very rarely and they're weaker
@magicsinglez
@magicsinglez 2 месяца назад
We’re having an increase in power, alright.
@stuartsmith8155
@stuartsmith8155 2 месяца назад
Welcome to the new world.
@traitretrudeau2367
@traitretrudeau2367 2 месяца назад
welcome in the matrix
@macdietz
@macdietz 2 месяца назад
Where all data will be weaponized for an agenda.
@bigrooster6893
@bigrooster6893 24 дня назад
The 1930s were way worse if we had upkeep of hurricanes from the past 10,000 years then yes they could make this statement but only go back 140 years that doesn’t tell us crap.
@jacksek12
@jacksek12 2 месяца назад
Yoi also need to realize there are a more people living on the hurricane coast lines than any time in history, and we have so much data and second by second analysis we cant even compare what was recorded in the past
@i_am_a_toast_of_french
@i_am_a_toast_of_french 2 месяца назад
1970s data and onward is reliable
@SkyeTerry-888
@SkyeTerry-888 2 месяца назад
Why is nobody talking about Weather Modification as the cause?
@i_am_a_toast_of_french
@i_am_a_toast_of_french 2 месяца назад
because they tried to stop hurricanes with it but it didn't work
@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima
@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima 2 месяца назад
The incorrect number vomit in this video is atrocious.
@blucat4
@blucat4 2 месяца назад
What? Please let us know the errors, sir.
@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima
@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima 2 месяца назад
i.e. Category 3 Pictured 111-129mph Stated 111-219mph My issue is I was just listening to the audio of the video and caught it right away, Ben here has a written script the he is actively reading from and the ability to stop and re-record the section, and yet he still didn't catch it until editing obviously. I mean, how do you go on to category 4 and not realize your still not up to 219mph as you stated in category 3. I think the Doctor needs a little break.
@Nostrudoomus
@Nostrudoomus 2 месяца назад
I remember a sand storm in the Mohave desert 🌵 of California that went on for a couple months where my father’s trucking company trucks that traveled through the storm were SAND BLASTED, with 200+ MPH, 322+ KPH, winds! This happened in the mid 1970s when I was a teenager working helping the mechanic, the truck drivers asked me to repair some of the damage done, so I do remember. These storms HAVE MOST DEFINITELY HAPPENED IN THE PAST they just didn’t have equipment installed to measure it in the recent past because these storms are so rare and the equipment was soo expensive! QUIT YOUR STUUUPIIID LIES !!!
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies Месяц назад
Newspapers from the 1800's have plenty of wailing and moaning over rising oceans and stronger hurricanes. In the upper Midwest most of our record temps were in the 1890's, 1930's and some in the 50s, and 70's. Flip side of the story is recording the weather was not a thing on the western prairies until the 1890's. So yeh, that's a pretty recent point to judge climate changes, and irrelevant for gauging pattern changes.
@RelianceIndustriesLtd
@RelianceIndustriesLtd 2 месяца назад
Came in like a hurricane
@SSJ3Palmer
@SSJ3Palmer Месяц назад
Rip Akira Toriyama
@teddybear4020
@teddybear4020 29 дней назад
MAY EVAN NEED CAT 7 OR 8 COMING
@larryscott3982
@larryscott3982 2 месяца назад
Metrologist and meteorologist. Really? 3:39
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