@@scrubvision5652 Yeah, in philippines, the spanish force converted most of the population to christianity. This was a long time ago tho, so now a lot of the population is Christian because it was their forefather's religions.
Those couple I recognized as Indonesian by the language they spoke. "Just faith" is basically a common answer when someone asks you about religion, even among Muslims here in Indonesia. Just to give another perspective on the situation in Indonesia, I see it's a taboo thing to have a conversation between religions here in a public area or with a stranger unless you're close to the person. Plus, I believe there is a language barrier within them, that's why they use a liberal-POV answer as an escape mechanism to Ali's question. Eventually, I hope Allah gives them hidayah to find the real truth through Islam.
I'm sorry i have to disagree with you, we will talk about openly about religion if not in front public. Between friend who has knowledge about it we just talk casually. We didn't talk openly it might because we don't like to hurt others feeling, that's our main tradition. Sopa santun & tepa slira always put in front everything. But betwen ppl who knows each other, we like to talk openly especially from where i came. Surabayann don't get emotional easily. We said what we think. But her, ppl dont get insult/hurt. But i hate when ignorant talking about what they didn't know. And it happened everywhere these days.
@@pakpohappy actually the point Maulana made is the same as yours. In Indonesia, people don't discuss openly about religion if they both don't know very well each other because it may be offensive to express or comment of one's religion. So people would try to respect each other whatever the religion of one's belief is.
@@pakpohappy lol why disagree? your point almost the same with him. I recognized them as Indonesian Christian too, I heard they speak Indonesian when argue to each other. Btw this is speaker corner, so everyone can come to discuss whether they know each other or not. Yes sadly true, some Indonesia are blindly follow religion bcoz they born in that religion [whether it's Muslim, Christian, Hindu, buddha etc. Indonesia acknowledges 5 religions and Indonesian has freedom to choose their religion]. In Indonesia Christian, they just got doctrine since kids about Christianity n they not use reason, 'why my religion is the truth'. They just believe what their teacher/preachers said is true. It's more like blind faith. But in Islam n Quran, Allah told us many times to use reason, think and ponder over Qur'an.
Brother Muhammad Ali has such a clear understanding of things that most of people don't have.... He understands linguistics, he knows different religions' faiths, he so knowledgeable not only about Islam but also about other school of thoughts.... He is a Blessing to this generation.
i agree with what Ali said that they proposed liberalism without realizing it. if what they said is true Christian teach why is so many missionaries out there to promote Christianity. it happens here in Indonesia, especially in the rural and poor area
Brother Ali sangat lembut dan sangat respect saat menyampaikan pesan kepada mereka. English: Bro Ali was so gentle and respectful when he delivered the message to them
I wasn’t very pleased with the brother on the left interjecting into the conversation in an attempt to better pose a question, brother Muhamed is very capable of doing so, eloquent and very logical.
he is everywhere recently, i think he is learning to become next speaker as well. give him time and chance and hope that he become powerful speaker someday
I agree, he shouldn't ask answers while the brother is explaining. To me it's very rude and disrespectful. He also needs to converse in proper English too, not to say mine is better, not at all, but listening him talk confuses me and might make others confuse too. He needs to listen more or try take some English comprehension classes.
@@Musta8787 Its clear that his accent is from the subcontinent. I dont think anyone has to take English classes just bc their accent isnt a West accent.
this is the first time i stumbled upon bro Ali..but mashallah his mannerism just stood out for me! May Allah bless us with good akhlak..keep going akhi! Jzkl
بارك الله فيكم... اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين.. اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم.. رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين... لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين..... ............. ......................... ............................... ..............
ALHAMDULLILAH AMEEN brother Muhammad Ali characteristics OUTSHINES HIM INSIDE and OUT his MOM REARED a TRUE GEM of a RESPECTFUL HUMBLE GENTLEMAN BROTHER MUHAMMAD ALI CHARACTERISTICS IS LIKE A RARE GEM ALHAMDULLILAH AMEEN MAY SAW ALWAYS PROTECT HIM HIS DAWAH IS PHENOMENAL AND PROFOUNDLY GREAT IMPACT TO THE UMMAH
@@pathwaytojannah1 Mohammad is actually very short name in Arabic with just 4 letters - محمد English is not a good language at all, but thanks to colonization it became a global communication source in current world.
@@icaicciai3171 Im actually arab myself أخي في الدين , i know the name Mohammed (Pbuh) is only 4 letters in arabic محمد (صلى الله عليه و سلم) , what i meant is the transliteration is very important, because "Mohd" if you read it this way it can be either محد or مهد and that's not even close to how محمد is spelled/pronounced, i hope you understood what i meant my brother 👍
@@pathwaytojannah1 I agree. I’ve liked your original reply as well. My point is, it’s the problem with English. And people should try to avoid it. I am agreeing with you, and saying the same thing. People nowadays on internet oppose each other so you might have taken me wrong. :) I am learning Arabic btw. Thanks for the info.
This is what we used to call "emotional based discussion" in speakers corner This Indonesian couple don't know how the speakers corners discussion run You will find this kind of debate mostly in Indonesian christian
My God. I don't know how dawa't in SC can handle all these irrational conversations. I, for one, cant do that. May Allah bless them and give them patience.
BRO , why i feel like brother ALI was so pissed and angry that they two ganged up on him and didnt let him TALK thats the reason most probably he left ? , Allah Knows! i really dont know why PEOPLE like these woman and man , cant have a sincere talk or discussion why you need to " stop stop just listen to me and then thats it no more" poor this woman and man , May Allah guide them , Amin.
couple from Indonesia, I think. semoga mereka mendapatkan hidayah. di Indonesia butuh diskusi antar Agama seperti ini supaya banyak yang tau mana kebenaran walaupun kita mayoritas Islam tapi sepertinya diskusi antar agama khawatir terjadi clash. mungkin lumayan banyak di Indonesia Kristen tapi faham nya liberal, dan ada juga KTP Islam tp paham nya Liberal juga. wallahuallam bissawab
kebanyakan masih belum siap sih buat diskusi akademis atau secara tekstual. tapi diskusi gini udah ada sebenarnya di Indo walaupun gk kayak di speakers corner.
@@tucker4173 , betul sudah ada diskusi seperti ini kok. Tapi ya..orang Indonesia secara umum belum kuat sepertinya. Dalam konteks ini belum kuat untuk mendengar dan berdiskusi untuk jangka waktu yang lama. Wkwkwkk...
He's smart just want to explain something without offend anyone. Peacefully & patiently. By the way in Indonesia some muslim love to debate and arguing. Sometimes they condescending, mocking, make fun or angry, threatening. They don't know how to act as muslim.
Wow.. i really love how brother Ali can identified that those 2 person is not worth for conversations... if he keep talking to them there will be no use because the man is already at defend mode, means that he will not reasoning anything instead he will disagree on whatever explanation you give.. im from indonesia and i know how youtube made speaker corner dakwah reach to indonesia.. and they give a lot of knowledge to the christian who sincerely want to use their logic and accept islam.. it is really upset them to see how islam grow out side indonesia, and many christians in indonesia now questioning 3 in 1 dogma and became moslem... i couldnt believe that some of them even tried to debate directly in SC based on faith only.. do they really think that they have better performance compare to american christian?
A shame that common sense needs to be explained these days. One may choose to believe anything is true or not true, but how would you go about determining whether your belief is indeed true? It's fine for anyone to believe what they want to but it's also insane to believe something to be true after it has been demonstrated to be false. What good is there is believing falsehood to be true? It's quintessentially living a lie.
Even though blind faith is universal, It's a lot more common for Indonesians. That's why talking about faiths and religions are like taboo and can easily be harsh conflicts. .
afraid might not be a good term to use there. 'cause Muslims are the majority in Indonesia, that makes Muslims can't talk about religion in ordinary daily setting so blatantly, it can be seen as oppression. In Indonesia we don't have a setting like speakers corners where everyone put down barriers to engage with other faith. I believe that's what these Indonesian couple fails to do there, sadly.
Bro @@dhimmyjazzy696 I'm not trying to divide anything, as it's almost the same in every region. We have to admit that blind faiths are so common no matter what one's faith is. A friendly talk can easily be a big mass amok. So, usually we choose to not talking it over and everything's gonna be fine. .
gw sebenarnya juga bingung kenapa diskusi kaya gini dianggap tabu. selama diskusi berdasarkan sumber kan harusnya sah2 aja. kalau yg gw pikir sih masih banyak gk bisa terima realita atau gak siap untuk terima kalau argumennya patah.
Honestly I would like to see brother Ali to continue....but I guest brother Ali knew these couple's capacities to diggest words,so he left them to talk to the person next to him.
@@bryanspoty oooh you wouldn't believe that there's so many people are pushing this idea here in Indonesia. But they're, as you expected, mostly from non-muslim side of Indonesia.
Kalu beragama dengan keyakinan saja ga perlu debat mana yg benar, karena setiap orang punya pendapat sendiri, kalau beragama berdasarkan kitab suci, hanya satu agama saja yang akan ditemukan yaitu islam😁
I know where they are coming from and I think there were a language barrier in discussion. They didn't really get what brother Ali was trying to say to them.
They just Didn't listen to him at all, they come with fixed opinion & is not open to hear others opinion. We can see the couple didn't listen at all , all they want to do only give one-side opinion
Yes.. I have the same idea about Allah can do everything just like bro Muhammad Ali just said. Because when we mention one of the Sifat of Allah, please not forget He also having other Sifat that mention in al Quran. Allah can do anything and also All Wise, He not stupid.
Indonesian people don't get used to having a debate that's why they can hardly control their emotion. Thank God they're in Hyde Park at least we can still see her smile.
Indonesia Christian..no wonder.. Do debate with them in the past.. it's hard to make them understand anything due to their stubborness..even it not related to religion 😑
@@krytoderp6920 saw many time in Facebook..some are funny,some are arrogant.. Only time shalt revealed the truth for them..hope they accept it before been buried,6 feet underground 😑
