HW80 VS XS19 Christmas face-off/Big Dan's Airguns. 

Love your reviews Dan, great sense of humour and personality. Enjoying each and every one of your vids so far. Keep up the good work, sir.

Enjoyed the review! Nice one. Well worth tunning up that '19' I'm looking forward to that as it is already an impressive budget gun. Happy new year, Dan!

I can’t wait for the tuning video, I’ve had my xs19 for a few years now as a back yard plinker and love it, im very interesting to see it fairs with a little tinkering 👍 great review

Best reviews by far Dan, keep em coming.

Reviews don't come any better than this have a good Christmas dan

Thats what i like about this chanel Dan, good honest down to earth reviews, Thank You, and all the very best to you and your family, Cheers

I'm always so impressed with your springer accuracy. Good shooting and a great review.

Yes, I do Dan, would be a most interesting review update for sure. Well done on another great review, and happy Christmas to you too ! Cheers Brian

Yes Yes, do it Dan, would be very interesting to see the results mate, Cheers

Interesting review buddy. Have a cracking Xmas and all the best for 2020.

Great vid Dan.All the very best to all at Big Dan's Airguns for 2020. :)

Great review Dan, I own an XS19 after watching your video I can’t wait to see your proposed video on the upgrade. In anticipation Bob J

Love my xs19. Had loads of pistols in the past but I'm all about rifles right now. It was a gift and feel blessed to have it

Great vid love the 80 look forward to the tune up ATB

Great review

Nice one Dan, have a merry Christmas and a great new year, keep the vids coming 😁👍

An unexpected winner , who would have thought that . it really is Christmas , I got to watch Two B.D.A videos today . Maybe one or two more head to head's next year ? time allowing ! Great episode as always . Best for Christmas & New Year .

Good review Dan, as always. The 80 has and always will be top dog. But with updated technology and materials the budget guns have closed the gap. Scott in USA

A good fair video! Having had a HW80 some years back loaned off of a friend I can only re-iterate what you've said about them! I have, owned a .177 XS19 now for about 10 years, started off stock like you have there, around 9.5 ft lbs out of the box, I bought some bits from Woodfield GCP / Welsh Willy, namely a new trigger and tune up kit with spring, guides, washers etc and took her up to 10.8ft lbs with washers to spare. No more than 8fps variation on Air Arms Diabolo fields 8.4gr and putting 10 shots through a 5p piece at 35 yards. Marvelous gun out of the box and can be polished up into good, reliable and consistent shot!

Bloomin good as usual.

Hi Dan, have a 19 and tuned action and fitted a ww trigger. Very accurate and excellent to use, if a little vanilla. First air rifle I bought and vfm top of my list, could not afford anything else. Good as standard and with a little work able to excel. Looking forward to more videos on the 19, happy Xmas!

Great vid Dan, surprising too, could you do a review on HW99s at some point? happy new year and keep up the good work, regards, David.

I'd love to see the results of a tune up on the xs19. Loved the video, Merry Christmas everyone.

I have a remington pest controller and I think it is the same gun as the xs19 rebranded. Coincidentally I also have a hw80k and agree with all of your points. Both excellent value guns

Hi Dan,,I'd say that accuracy result is superb for the xs19 the hw 80 will always be top dog in the break barrels pack but I'd say the gap between them has been narrowed considerably since the hw,s debut and definitely represents good value for money as you mentioned with some tuning along with getting used to shooting the smk you could close that gap still further . great review Dan love a good springer battle old school way demands more skills but can be very satisfying love it atb Dave

I purchased TWO HW80's in 1972 ! Be Blessed

Dan that sounds like a grand idea! I am a Weihrauch fanboy but would love to see a gun such as the XS19 upgraded and put back in the ring!

Great video review. I think the CN-made rifles are fantastic for the price but I'm not so sure the build quality would hold up for the length of time like the HW80 would. But since you could comfortably afford to buy a new rifle every 3-4 years and still have money left over... Difficult to call.

Subscribed 👋🏾 merry Xmas dan👊🏾😎good review. I have the 97 in 177 that I detuned to 12 ft #. Absolutely love this gun😎 also have the rws 34 in 177 that I also detuned to 12 ft# that has the to6 trigger which feels as good as the 97. You should do a review on the rws 34 vs the hw80👍🏾

Merry Christmas Dan.

Nice review

Have a great Christmas Dan👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

That cheaper rifle looks like a Crosman Vantage. If that is the case, it has a nitro piston. In fact that trigger looks identical to a Crosman trigger. Wish I could show you a picture. I happen to like it for a couple places I rabbit hunt.

‘80 looks to have a nicer firing cycle in .22. I had a .177 version and the cycle was horrendous, the oversized piston combined with the stiffer .177 spring does not work well together. That .22 looked to give a pleasant nudge on firing, very nice.

My pump Umarex shoots .177 pellets at 830 fps and I paid .$46 bucks for it and spent $45 dollars on a decent Chinese scope … the muzzle energy is about 11lbs… In the UK they regulate even pellet guns… it’s a crying shame… but have a break barrel gamo whisper .22 that shoots 34 lbs of muzzle energy with 29 grain pellets. Cheers from California!

The Hooded fore sight would be better if the Hood could be slid off so could just use an open "Blade" fore sight like for instance on the old BSA Mercury springer. The Hood on the Mercury was made of spring steel & could easily be removed or re attached via the slots machined into the fixed fore sight.

Good video, Dan - should have put the 19 up against a 99s though... 😉

Good video pal! Welsh willy lives close to me....

Hi Dan, I’m looking into getting a pcp and was wandering which gun out of the airacobra, Hortitsia and Rotex you would recommend.

really good :)

You did some good shooting there Dan , and to be fair the cheap gun did well , and deserves recognition, and with all things in life comes down to your budget , if you’d like the expensive one but can’t afford it, go for the cheaper one , you could do a lot worse ,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

Nice review. Points deducted for knocking my Lotus.

Still waiting for the X19 tune ! bought a pest controller and a aircobra off these reviews, fitted WW Woodfield triggers on both straight out the box. busting to see what internal work you do on the X19/Pest controller. Will it be a WW Kit?

Big Dan ,merry xmas..😎

Nice

Good old scrap between the 2. The smk not that far behind , great Review Dan. Seasonal greetings to you, looking forward to the rematch , will.the smk close the gap with a bit of gym work ? Let see, lol , best review so far , like the Pedigree v the non pedigree dog fight angle. ,

There was a product called "Triflon" - an aerosol with a straw type applicator which coated the cylinder with "Teflon". This made the Piston travel Much quicker down the cylinder. Use with great care - it's deadly poisonous if inhaled but safe once applied. A quick Tune for the less mechanically minded.

One thing we could say is send the bench mark on accuracy out to say 35,40,50m ( max ) 7 I would be sure the HW80 would pip the XS19. A friend of mine had an old chinese rifle over my HW95 & from 10m out to 15-17m you could not tell by much in the accuracy test. But send the same pellets out 30m or more & the 95 won hands down.

The XS19 isn't a cheap gun. It's a decent gun sold cheap. In my experience all it needs is a trigger tune.

That Hw80 will still be working in 100 years, the xs19 wont.

Hi Big Dan, did you ever tune up this XS19? I'm sure I'm not the only one that was looking forward to seeing how much it improved.

Don't know exactly what you're hearing but I hear way more spring twang from the xs19. The Weihrauch is louder but it doesn't buzz ("spring twang") like the cheap gun.

Two great springers. The only thing I will say, is that I expect the HW 80, will outlive the budget springers, by many years. Build quality is everything. There are a few guys at my club, that shoot old HW‘s, that are 40 years old. They are every bit as accurate as of the day they were made and still look amazing. 😊

Hi, Dan.... Just now found your channel (am here in the west central US), and this is my first video of yours that I have watched.... very impressed and have subscribed to your channel. I picked this video of yours to watch first, because my first airgun that I purchased in 2013, was the HW80 (in .22) in my early 60's years of age. I also have a have a half dozen of the Xisico's (BAM/SMK in the UK?) as well ( I actually have several dozen airguns, now - you can't have "just one" you know ; ) and I "think" that what you call the XS-19 is the same base model that we know here as the Crosman Quest and the "German" Hammerli 550. I also have a Xisico XS-25 FSB (BAM-B25 clone of the RWS/Diana34, Ruger Airhawk, etc.) thumb hole/pistol grip stock made from laminated Bamboo... and of ALL my airrifles (over half of which are German.. Weihrauch, Diana & Walther), my favorite "go to" rifle in .22 is my Xisico (BAM B-25) XS-25 FSB.. it's lighter than any of my German air rifles, deadly accurate, and has been fully tuned by Mike Melick in Iowa, US (FlyingDragonAirrifles dot org) who has done a lot of R&D work for the BAM & SAG-(QB CO2 series) air gun factories in China... and has helped them with a lot of refinements with their prototype guns before production runs begin. The stock (original) trigger is still in place on all my Xisico air rifles, but after Mike reworks them, I have to say that they shoot every bit as nice as any of the Record trigger's on my Weihrauch's. I think that the main difference in the cost differential between the Chinese & German airguns (besides labor costs) is found in the Quality of all the internal parts... meaning, that if shot on a regular & consistent basis... most Any of your "high end" German & British air rifles... will Still be shooting as well, and with no parts breakage.... for Far more Many Years longer, than Any of the much less expensive offerings from BAM, SAG, Snowpeak, or any other "budget friendly" manufacturer... and therein lies the difference in cost.... labor costs, steel & parts quality, overall better accuracy (out of the box), and much longer Longevity with equal amount of use. Thanks again for your work and detailed comparisons... Much Appreciated!!

Great review. Did you ever do the upgrade comparison?

For the price difference if you spent the difference in price on the XS19 for a tuning kit and trigger upgrade etc that would be an interesting compare then I do like having something that looks nice but I prefer something that performs really well is there any chance of seeing some reviews like this?

I've heard the Hatty 55s being referred to as " The poor mans HW 80" on more than one occasion. Any plans to take a look ?

With a limited budget would like a 22 air rifle, up to £200 would like a nice set up for some target and small vermin

Both of those guns are around 18fpe over here. Do they throttle them back with weak springs or choked transfer ports?

Have both rifles dan and i can say i would use any of these rifles out in the field and thats all that matters to me. If the gun can put food on the table and hit the target humanely ie head shots and you can shoot accurately then thats all that matter. Another great reaview dad.

As always brilliant

brilliant

I just picked up an XS19 in January sales for £59.99 just shot it out the box open sights at 15 yards it only needed slight adjustment to the right and with cheap pellets it’s spot on so with a scope and some Diablo Fields ??

How do you aim and fire a rifle with lens protection caps on ?

Hi Dan, I also use Filmora９ but when I am making edit process I face often have problem that some parts already completed are gone while I proceed edit for other parts before full complete and combine all. Do you have such problem or not? PC environment etc has no problem, so I want to know any solution. I sent inqiry to Filmora but no reply at all.

Get it tuned Dan cheers shane uk 🇬🇧

Now that was a review! Got the tongues wagging,could a budget gun be made to be better or equal to the bench mark hw80?

Nice video...never owned a break barrel and really don’t want to but they are interesting and seeming reliable. Had multi pump guns for over 40 years and now PCPs and will not go back to pump ups unless it’s a bug out situation for survival and then a Sheridan 392 would be the one. That reverse recoil just doesn’t workout in my mind with the break barrel guns. Takes some getting used to I guess. Not ready for that.

Did you ever upload the xs19 modification video?

Dan you do not need the welsh willy trigger, that standard trigger can be adjusted and tweaked to do a really stand up job. I have fitted after market triggers to a few of the 19's and stoeger rifles and some of them do not even adjust properly the screws do not even touch the sear. Nowt wrong with the triggers but the sears are so so quality control, and differ slightly from batch to batch.

pls do the trigger on the xs19 i have one and the trigger seems to be really good nice first stage and great second stage but would love to see you do the trigger and any info on where to buy. great vid as always, back in the 90s i had an HW80k, HW85, HW77k with a walnut thumbhole stock and then an HW90k.

Of course the Gamo/B19 barrel returns easier. Because all that locates the barrel in the forks is cheap plastic washers, radically inferior to how HW and a D34 keep the breach block consistent.

What a great idea for a review. The difference in price would pay for some upgrades on the XS19, I'd get it hydro-dipped to tone that stock down! The barrels on the Chinese guns tend to come from the factory with a lot of brown gunk in them which really needs cleaning out, the HW80 comes with a choice of all 4 airgun calibers, if you fancy a change. You mentioned the trigger mod you intend doing on the XS, there are other ways to achieve this, the bearing method and the longer adjustment screw, I've even seen one done with a suitable off-cut from a biro tube but doubt the longevity of that mod. I went for the bearing method, and it compares well with the trigger you're going to fit, which I have on my Rapid 7, which also uses that same trigger unit. Incidentally, my Chinese airgun is a Crosman MTR77 (ironic that an American manufacturer should choose a Chinese manufacturer to make an American icon replica) which underneath all that plastic is an XS19 action with a gasram in it, I believe the XS19 is available with a gasram instead of a spring. It's not an easy gun to shoot and I have bought some standard spring bits (actually it's a complete XS19 action) to convert it to a spring gun to see if it's any better, look forward to seeing your tuned up XS19.

discovery vtr on hw80 does work good?

Can a silencer be put on the xs19

Did you ever tune the smk ?

I find there a lot of snobbyness in the air gun Community. Remember when i had a BSA scorpion loved that rifle still had certain inverdivisals turn there nose up to it. Usual response was its not a air arms or a day state ect i always had a great sense of satisfaction when my cheaper rifle out shot there's. Its not just about the rifle its about if the shooter can shoot or not. The funny thing is a Rifle that cost around £600 is not exactly cheap. Wish i never sold that rifle

Would love to see a review in English of the FX t12😁😁😁😁hint hint

That was " top dollar " reviewing ... Yes , let's modify the cheap rifle .. see how it performs then ... But it's not all about performance , it's about quality and feel , and wierauch are there or there about at the top of that tree , that said , there's a massive market for a decently constructed , accurate and budget rifle for those " rat bashing " only days out ... It's nice too own quality , but equally it's nice too have a gun that's cheap enough too do a specific job , without fear of dropping/scratching or getting filthy in the field ... A super interesting showdown ... Let's have more PLEASE ... have a great Christmas and a Happy and HEALTHY new year ... that gos too all your subscribers as well ...

Put it up against 99s. not much more expensive, similar power, better trigger and nicer looking stock then XS19. Great video, Merry Christmas

hi, I understand this was Three years ago.but did you ever tune up the smk? the reason i ask ive just got one for my grandson and would be interested if you had.

What about the XS20 😀 how would that compare to the 19?

Im thinking of buying an air rifle im chosing between the remington express and the remington saber is there one you would recomend over the other ?thanks

Hey Dan. Great video...But....do you dare match up an SMK 38 against your prised HW97?...Eh? 😉

I believe each gun no matter of price is just as good for what youd use an airrifle for ,the cheaper ones ,maybe abit roughly put together an it's going to be cheap wood but unless you get a bad one as with all things mass made you get a bad batch now an then..but I've had cheap smk guns ,as soon as I got it home ,stripped it down gave it a de buring and sort out ,de greased ,then back together with a little dab here an there ,,,never had troubles and bagged me plenty of birds ,rabbits hares etc ,,,what more do you need.. In fact I'm gonna get myself another smk airrifle, commenting about it has fanned the flames, though I have a bsa meteor and a hw 100 gonna get a cheap one ...

put a TbT guide set in the xs19 (delrin guide+top hat) please a degrease and relube with some bumslide and Molly grease. bout £20+

80 all day would be good to have the China man for knocking some post in

Hw80 is designed for the 20 ft lb market, i bet my hat the hw99s would beat both guns sub 12 ft lbs hands down & its also a budget gun..

hw quality is pretty dissapointing these days to be honest mate just bought a 95k and butt pad is to small for the stock and finish a bit unfinished but good vid mate merry xmas

The xs38 Dan that's him

Very interesting, I am going to be buying a riffle for my son soon ,having watched many reviews I find your videos the most impartial and have been watching lots of your vids over Christmas I won't lie based on your reviews and others I find myself surprised to be torn between the smk underlever and the bsa comet silentiem , any chance you could help with a little wisdom either way, many thanks in advance sorry about the spellings !hope you have a great new year keep the vidoes coming mate they are awesome

HW-80 wins anyday , It's just great quality compared to the soft Chinese steel of the 19 .

ive got an SMK XS 19-18 with the V-MACH tuning kit and the WELSH WILLY triger and it shoots beutifuly and still cheaper than the HW80 👍

Take out the 2 Flyers & it's clear some of the cheaper manufacturers are getting smarter. (a bit like Lidl & Aldi) "I Like Weirauch's - But I also like These ".

Extend the range to 40 yards bloody big difference lol.

😂😂😂😂Very funny

My hundred dollar Chinese benjamin prowler is stupid accurate

A great video and two great rifles but I heard no twang of the Hw 80 i have shot HW rifles for 52 years, and there a great rifle if mine started to get a little twangy I just re lubed them but very very small amount and no twang but I like the xs19 and I have a new rifle coming on Monday a X's 38 just for a little more to add to my hobby, the 4 80s I have had I give two away and got two more the ,80k and the 80s the long barrel both in 22 great video but to put the xs19 up to a Hw80 not fair try it up to a 99s and I had two 99s rifle both in ,177 !untill next time

It,s got a k click.

Nice scope 👍🏻 I have 2 discovery’s 👍🏻