In know this video is older, but man it has some great info! I came here because I am STRUGGLING trying to get my full hydro system correct. I wish i would have found this video long ago. Thanks man!
I'm subscribing just because of how informative this video is. You can spend a lot of time on the forums, but hardly anybody on those sites will have the knowledge to pass that on to the masses.
The videos that I would really like to see would be how to choose the correct chassis for your off-roading style and how to decide on which axle to use. That is just my thoughts. Keep the great videos coming!
+BustedKnuckleVideo Have you ever seen or tried portal outputs? Does it make the drivetrain to complicated? I always thought they were a good idea, but I don't know how strong they are.
If u r really reaching competing, I definitely think the fluid system full piston system travel right & left is the way to go. The thing I like about fluid is u can hve it front & rear. So why can't u hve it fast & slow on buggy. Both a pick your line big tires max push /travel & a 2nd system flip switch for going fast. That way 1 buggy can b safe for use climbing perfect line & straight line speed runs at a flip.
Tractor hydraulic steering wheel has the pump built in the upper box for manual controll in case of pump failure. International 656, massey furgeson 283
Really good stuff Jake, very well and simple way explained, even though English is my second language I can get almost everything at first listening, learning a lot my friend, keep rocking!!!
Great video. I have a GEN 4 forerunner with a Dana 60 upfront, and a full hydraulic PSC steering. I’d like to discuss with you a shimmy that happening when I drive it . I just purchased this vehicle so I’m in the middle of troubleshooting wireless through accident guys. Not sure if it’s the orbital valve issue or that my ram to my high Steer knuckles is not on axis but has a 10 degree down angle.
Hey Jake your videos are awesome and really informative, so with that being said is it possible to make a video on how to shim a ram to get less stroke? So for example I have a psc single ram with an 8" stroke and only need 6.5-6.25 inches of stroke and I can't seem to find any videos on how to do this, thanks
@@BustedKnuckleVideo can you tell me, does an Orbital valve care which way the ports (hoses) are facing. Would it not air lock if the hoses were run out of the underside? I see the example in your video is this way, but is there any special considerations.
Thanks for the video man! When I choose my PSE hydro assist I opted for the larger ram size, bigger is better right? Well now I have found that my steering is slower than I would prefer for my driving style. If I had found this video before buying components I may have made a better choice for my system.
This question comes from more from curiosity, has somthing been worked out where you have a faster turning set up, with relief valve to slow it down when you're going faster?
This video is gold. This will be extremely helpful in an upcoming project. Thank you. Question: What kind of force is needed from the driver? Is it something that could be operated with one hand with say a 3 inch knob instead of a steering wheel?
@@BustedKnuckleVideo Thank you! You are appreciated. If you’ve got any interest in making an appearance in said video project lemme know. It’s a street truck with two LS V8 drive trains. And now likely 4 wheel steering because… why not? Project starts early 2022. Thanks again Brother! 🍻
Awesome video! Best I’ve found. Hey can you elaborate on how a single sided ram can have equal power in both directions? I’m happy to provide a link if needed. My friend and I find it hard to believe.
Some info on load reactive vs non- load reactive orbital's and how they affect steering wheel position and feedback would be helpful .... also no mention of using a check valve for steering if the pump dies
You said something about not fighting the wheel. So do you actually get feedback from the tires? What i mean by that is if you bump someting with a tire do you feel it on the steering wheel? I was imagining that you don't but i wouldn't know. Oh yeah im asking about full hydraulic and this is an awesome informative video. Ok so you sort of answered my question later in the video.
@@BustedKnuckleVideo thanks for the reply, Im just doing some research on steering upgrades for my samurai. Full hydraulic is a bit of overkill, but sometimes its best to skip all the bs and go for something that is overkill. Im scared a full hydraulic system will break my axle housing in half lol. Its a stock samurai axle
I did not express that correctly. I ment I turn the steering mostly while sitting still. No power except me and without the aid of wheels spinning/turning. And the rest of the time I am moving slow so I need P.S. more then most guys. So to find a small car with limited space like my atv and has a basic electronic control that has no connection except direct to battery with fuse and seperate switch so its totaly independent of all atv electronics. So I go to *pull apart* and look for what brand& model car.? I got 18 or less inches. From tie rods to handle bars. 1/3 turn to left and right. Which means 2/3 LOCK TO LOCK.
Some fords"" back in the day"" had a mechanically connection directly on the hyd cylinder that would hydraulic ly center the cylinder to its self. So if u turned - moved that control left .the control centered the hyd cylinder to left turning the wheels left. If u lost power your arms would force control and bigger cylinder to move left as it cane against hard stops then pushed tie rods anyway.
Actually . The (3) cyclic slave cylinders on a huey .. .. hello copter. Would be ideal as they are extremely accurate& instant. But require hyd power. The cyclic stick never moves more then 3 inches in 360 degree circle ..and with finger tip touch. So accurate that flying one only requires thinking right or left and you go that way. Seriously. No feed back! Except seat of pants or gauges
Great video! the only thing that is "not" so accurate is that the size of cylinder does not effect pressure. The pressure is set by relief valves within the system, not diameter of cylinder. The size of the cylinder effects the surface area of the piston. The pressure remains the same, but the area the set pressure effects is larger ; thus creating more energy to perform desired work. Speed and force "are" effected. Larger cylinder, slower speed. Larger cylinder, more force. Smaller cylinder, faster speed. Smaller cylinder, less force. Thanks Jake for your videos!!! Not trying to be a d*$#. I just feel inaccurate information sends people down wrong avenues.
Good point made here. To have a productive conversation you would have to make sure you were talking about the same type of pressure. Hydraulic pressure applied by the pump to the piston surface or mechanical "pressure" applied to by the shaft to the steering linkage.
is it possible to make a full hydraulic system where you still have a mechanical back up with a drag link you can remove when you get to the trail, then the pitman arm will be moving but not doing anything and I get the articulation I'm wanting in the front? it would also save me if I blew a hose or something on the trail as long as I carried 6an caps so I'm not pumping the fluid out.
@@BustedKnuckleVideo I was thinking basically something like that too. If there was a way to run 2 systems in tandem on the street between trails I think that would be cool. Maybe I can figure out a manual steering box that would match the ratio of the hydro just in case so I don't kill people in an emergency. That's the idea.
Thanks what a great video. Just wondering do you guys have a video about trailing arms instead of straight 4 link so shocks on the arms instead of being on the axle for the rear end.
@@BustedKnuckleVideo . I am thinking about 2 hyd clutch systems with slave cylinders hooked to tie rods. They should work because the bellcrank moves very little lock to lock. And that assist would depend on how hard I push the levers against the handlebars.
Been there and done that, you need a high pressure high volume pump . Trail gear and PSC have them . If you haven't fixed this problem yet. I see this post is 3 months old.
Great vid, I have 85 k20 with 3/4 ton axles and I want to have a. Hydraulic steering system. Should I do the assist or the full hydro steer? And how do I mount it on gm 3/4 axles?????
all trails all the time = full hydro (if you have full hydro, you lose ALL steering if you lose hydro) street and trail = hydro assist (if you have hydro assist and you lose hydro it will be harder to steer but still able to have some steering)
Great video, lots of information. But what about the pump? Do you use electric or engine driven unit and is there any benefits to be had between different flow rates?
Electric pumps have not yet reached a point where they can be used for primary steering. In order to get the pressure and flow needed the electric pumps have to way exponentially more than an engine driven pump and are significantly larger. They do not work well in our applications
Hey jake would it be possible to use the hydraulic ram to provide the force that would steer the axle if i wanted to use it for off-road at low speeds. what would i need to do if i wanted to replace the ram with say an electric actuator.
Think about it would it be stupid to build a diesel powered buggy running a torque converter and a beefed up cvt? Ps it would be engine cvt then torque converter to reduce stress on the cvt belt.
Tons of great info Jake. Thanks for using my suggestion. You mentioned the tradeoff using a smaller cylinder to gain speed. I too would like quicker steering and am running 43's. Has the lack of force been noticeable to you while trail riding? Would you still run that setup if you didn't race?
Also, I'm running into clearance issues with the pump pully. I can relocate the pump but that will put the pully into the chassis by 1/4". Will a 4.75" or 5.0" pully spin the pump too fast? It's a stock LQ4 right now. Thanks
Yes the force is noticeably less when you get in a bind. I have some tricks though that will get the best of both worlds. I keep some things in my back pocket for the competitive edge. Shoot me en email burkeyracing@gmail.com and I'll explain
That's what we are currently pushing for customers to buy. The pressurized reservoirs are superior in every way. We have them in stock and ready to ship
+BustedKnuckleVideo hi...😊 i'm from indonesia i made it from escavator part. in low rpm my steer is heavy. and on high rpm it so easy to drive but my gearbox (oilpump) always broke. can help me with my problem..?? thank..😊😀
How would a ram assisted steering upgrade get rid of death wobble?? I’m sorry but that statement is so far from the truth, that’s a lot of money spent to mask the real issues.
