Hydrogen Cars Are Taking Over Electric! 

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Rocco Schult, I agree with you. Further I say that this video is clearly biased towards electric powered cars and so pretty worthless in my opinion!

@@Peter4253 Converting existing combustion engines from fossil fuels to operate on hydrogen makes more sense to me. Like converting to propane but cleaner.

there are no advantages of hydrogen, unless you want most efficient rocket engine in space. In that case, you need either hydrogen or photons as reaction mass

Can you refuel your hydrogen car at home?

Hydrogen combustion engine car would be half as efficient as a fuel cell electric car.

@@stuarthirsch And the fuel cell car is less that half the efficiency of a BEV. Not so good.

@@stuarthirsch Less

@@stuarthirsch but ice engines are more fun to drive. If you drive an automatic then i may aswell not continue this conversation because a non car guy wont get it. Its good that toyota is making a hydrogen ice car because at least there will be something fun to drive

@@patrykrog8121 You obviously haven’t driven a Tesla or Mustang Mach-E. Maybe you drove compliance EVs like the trash Nissan LEAF, but that does not count. Btw, there’s a reason why manual cars are a rarity. Gas cars will become the same, but you’ll still be able to drive them. It’ll be financially idiotic if you do though, looking about 10 years into the future.

When not useable in a car because of the huge demand of power they probably go into houses solar setup for another 15 to 20 years.

@@migsvensurfing6310 And then?

The lithium will destroy our waterways.

@@pieman9 Prove it.

@@pieman9 Where did you hear this?

Yes. I think as technology improves there will be a lot more ways we can use these spent fuels. I read another article saying that it’s possible to have a battery that last like 40 years

Stanley Meyers & Hydrogen on demand, nothing needs to be stored apart from water in water form.

Not to mention solid state hydrogen as well. Not to mention dealing with battery desegregation.

This video was biased heavily towards electric. However, currently there are 36 million vehicles on the roads daily in the UK, that means we would need 50 million chargers by 2030 and we are no where near that target. However, because successive governments have not invested in our power generation, but instead out sourced to France and China, neither of which, you could claim to be our friends or allies, they just need to drag the length of time out in building further power stations, and as our population continues to expand through immigration, divorce (requiring 2 homes instead of 1) births, and MPs who can't keep it in their trousers and end up with 7 kids, and eventually this country will grind to a halt, due to power cuts caused by to high a demand. Old English saying, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" true then, true now, true in the future !

@@edwardr7577 100% can see this happening, small country we are getting mad traffic now is unreal now. Juicy £1.61 for diesel in some places

No, is inertia. There is no force in the ''rotation motion'' except the inertia it has. You may talk about centrifugal force but obvious you don't understand the phenomenon.

Actually, it's the kinetic energy of the moving vehicle that is converted back to electricity to recharge the battery. Inertia is an object's resistance to being moved.

Yes it's recovering the kinetic energy, but the kinetic energy is turning the wheels I.e. creating rotational motion, the wheels turn the motor, and it's the rotational movement of the motor running backwards and acting as a generator that provides the braking force and generates the electricity.

So they reverse the polarity on an AC 3 phase electric motor, do they? ;-)

@@phillipzx3754 How they do it is for them to consider. THAT they do it is fact..... And demonstrated frequently.

@@rogerstarkey5390 What Phillip was pointing out is that it's not POLARITY related, it's just how the inverter works.

rectifier

Have you not seen a formula 1 car, they have the same technology to charge the overtaking boost

Do the research. Depending on your country, this is mostly all taken care of by the free market.

Why few have home plug ins. A simple 50 amp 220 plug is all one needs which is like a typical RV outlet or Welding outlet etc. 90% of people or more drive less the 100 miles a day so once you have a plug installed at your home you pretty much never need to fuel up while out and about. If you travel it can take some planning or else you can just use your worthless ICE vehicle if you prefer.

Well just think of how many power plants would have to be built if every car was electric. There isn't enough of them right now.

@@williamhoward2685 That's nonsense, absolute nonsense, you don't know what your talking about. Do some research!

@@jstar1000 what makes you think its nonsense? I have installed climate control chambers so they could test the technology under extreme conditions. Perhaps you should do some research. They a loo ready have a hydrogen burning car on the road for as few years now. 20 plus.

That's what most EVs will charge from. Fast charging is an expensive fad.

It's not much less of a problem because there will never be enough "wasted" renewable electricity to produce enough hydrogen for the consumer vehicle market, unless the customer base for hydrogen cars remains very small.

Amazing how few videos cover that little bit of info.

Let's try Lithium batteries are produced, with some pollution.... ONCE. The Drive / fuel conversion system of a Fossil car is produced with a similar amount of pollution....ONCE (mining, transport, smelting of metals, machining, etc.... Including rare earth elements!) THEN the fossil car requires a continuous supply of fossil fuel, which is polluting during its "mining" ...(there's the word you were looking for!)... It's transport, refinement (using COBALT btw!) secondary transport to point of use, AND when burnt in the engine. How's that for revelation? Oh... I forgot. Once the battery constituents are in "the system" they will be recovered at the end of life of the original cell, then used AGAIN in a new cell. Try that with fossil fuel?

Magic Close your eyes

@@mandrc5562 That's not true at all, it's all readily available info. You can't hide stuff like that about one of the fastest growing industries in a capitalist world.

@@rogerstarkey5390 actually there are videos that show how they are made. Also show how with your “ ONCE” they are dirty than has. And as always as with all you EV lovers , you left out it’s powered by Coal 80% of all our electric ⚡️ is powered by dirty dirty dirty coal! You also forgot to add that the grid couldn’t handle even 20% of our cars converted to electric ⚡️ let alone all of them! Oh lastly that the material to make your batteries 🔋 are finite & a - 100% switch from fossils would deplete them in 15 years. Sad 😢 and yes I’ve heard about them recycling the batteries 🔋 ah yes now they’re way dirtier than fuel ⛽️. Go hydrogen lol 😝

Yes but the CEO of the worlds largest wind turbine producer in the world thinks that hydrogen is not the way to go and refuses to spend any of the billions they make on it. BIG mistake.

@@finnstadel And who is the CEO of the largest wind turbine? Anything to do with China?

@@josephward6422 He he that's an interesting thought ;-) I think Vestas is the biggest wind turbine manufacturer..

Just use that renewable energy to charge evs. Skip the hydrogen.

This won’t happen in the heavily subsidized electric car market by the globalist government. If it was a free market the hydrogen car either electric or combustion engine would be the better way. Sadly, the CCP is in charge of the new USSACCP. We are not being allowed, via legislation, to mine the materials needed to make the batteries for the electric cars, and RPC/CCP is cornering the market on the materials to make the batteries. So with this stated, the hydrogen car is ☠️; unless it can survive the current USSACCP administration. THE USA IS BEING MADE TO BOW TO THE CCP BY THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION! Therefore, the one world order is on the fast track.

Hydrogen sounds more like something for a bus or a truck.

@@KaosNova2 it is! in fact the trucks and the airplains are far better going with hydrogen because of the wait and the time. city cars can be easly charged in 30 min and the times will go down

Even if they had, it still takes "energy" to break the bond with ..... Whatever (Oxygen????) The breakthrough would have to be in the production of that energy, making it so cheap as to be irrelevant. If they could do that .... Why bother with Hydrogen!? Also, it's not just the liberation *of* Hydrogen, but the reconversion of Hydrogen *back* to electricity that adds inefficiency. It's a "Lose lose" situation!

Well, they don’t want to stop their insanity by developing hydrogen combustion engines so I must insist that they probably made a deal with some aliens from another galaxy to make hydrogen from nothing. LOL

let me see a BEV that has no exhaust or a fuel cell system that hits the landfill when it's dead, yes easy

Batteries can be recycled..

Wait, but if you want, you can take the H2O you make and your car can fuel you ;-).

Well that ain’t possible any time soon, you need energy to do that, can’t make a perpetual motion machine as such, but you could have something that makes hydrogen at home so you still get the ‘charge at home’ concept.

Hydrohen generator's have been around for a while. But the way they are doing it you can't do at home. People have ran gas engines with hydrogen generators mounted in the back of their truck. That uses distilled water.

@@Gillettesgarage You can’t do at home ‘yet’

Integrating a Reversible fuel cell in car might be helpful but ain't came out yet

Not to mention child labour lithium mining

hmmm why would hydrogen ( a fuel that you have to refill the tank on the vehicle) production be compared to the production of batteries (a electrochemical storage unit that you purchase the vehicle with)? Wouldn't a BEV battery need to be compared to the fuel cell system in a FCEV and was the latter production /environmental impact of the latter detailed in this presentation?

@@yo-no9879 What child labor lithium mining? details please

@@milanswoboda5457 Yeah, I haven't heard of any child labor for mining lithium either. Child labor is an issue for mining cobalt for batteries of all types including EV's in the DRC (Democratic Republic of the Congo) Africa.

@@electrified3407 Yep that's the correct element related to the child labor issue but also there how much of it is hype vs. reality? How much percentage of this artisanal cobalt child labor mining is in the cobalt used for battery manufacture? I doubt anyone really knows and that holds also true for cobalt used in refineries as catalyst for fuel desulphurization, tools used in machining for a very wide range of manufacturing processes which include items we use in our every day life, ...etc.

Yes, but like junk yards processing cars today, like tires and lead-acid batteries today, they'll figure it out when batteries begin to become a problem. 12 YO Leafs and 20 YO Priuses still have their original batteries. Soon batteries will last the life of the car. They'll get it.

They say electric cars are the future but realistically it’s just for rich ppl to make more money…

Lexus guarantees 1 million KM on their batteries. That’s a lot of miles/km. It’ll take years before they’re out of their warranty and probably will still work for a large part. By that time they can be recycled or used as a backup in a house.

Batteries are highly recycable, at least according to another RU-vid video I just saw.

@@michman2 Elon Musk has already worked out the full lifecycle of Tesla batteries, including the recycling. He covered that in the last "Battery Day" presentation. Also, J.B. Straubel, cofounder of Tesla has started a new enterprise called Redwood Materials specifically to profitably recycle lithium ion batteries. He's already recycling batteries from other sources.

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in my country we use watt and kilowatt to measure our electric bills..I used to study about how to use jules in my school but seems that I cant remember at all to use it😂

Joules!

@@hikmahuddinhasbullah3928 *kilowatt-hours

@@hikmahuddinhasbullah3928 kw-hrs

What utter nonsense , the grid expends with demand , it has been expanding ever since Edison , the rage of ev adoption isn’t even making a dent

Meaning recycled materials matter immensely.

@@crhu319 you could use recycled material. However, you'd still need to mine and drill. One recycled pepsi can doesn't produce one new can

That leaves walking as your only option

@@americanoutreach7496 Pepsi cans, being aluminium, are one of the most recycled products on the planet.

Ever heard of rubber trees?

I wonder: How long are fuel cells expected to last and how do you dispose of those? Probably not that much different at this point, but you make a good point, we should also be thinking about other issues not discussed in this video.

Ev batteries will be recycled so they can be used for home electricity storage. You really need to Google can Ev batteries be recycled and educate yourself.

Totally agree on your perspective of the huge negative environmental impact generated by electric car batteries regarding future buildup and disposal which was neglectly pointed out. Think hydrogen cars would be the future if appropriate effort for research/funding on a possible extraction/cheaper/safe/clean method of oxygen and storing it. If you might be aware of, have you heard of Deuterium{H3O}, water high in hydrogen located somewhere in the Phil.Deep waters/unlimited/regularly flowing wonder of nature. As what I understand from the review of some Experts, Deterium once extrated doesn't need further high processing to store oxygen/much cheaper method.. Hope this can be further exploited.

All grids need major upgrade.

Better than fusion power - same saying, but 50 years..

Hmmm a fuel cell car is also an electric car and there had been Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles ( e.g. GM Electrovan ) long before Lithium Ion batteries made it into an EV

@@milanswoboda5457 They first tried to make an EV in 1919 so yeah everything needs time

@@omaralkayal7598 , you way off with your history dude, Porsche was making electric cars back in 1898. Check it out it was the model P1 😀

dude...they have been trying Hydro since I was a kid (57 now) its the infrastructure that is the issue but now, in 2021....check out Norway and Germany: Tesla model 3 outsold BMW 3-series, MB C-class and Audi A3 saloons combined. EVs are happening mate. China is invading Europe next year with some crazy, sexy and Cheaper models with new technology battery packs. Hydro simply never gonna happen , just perhaps for large commercial vehicles...maybe.

You need to understand the basic theory. Don't compare hydrogen with "batteries" Compare it with electricity.

Also since when is generating electricity a natural occurring event. He also never talked about the loses during the electrical generation. I guess he never studied up on that. Nice picture of a wind turbine, it kind of makes people think or believe that wind is a major source of generation. Get your facts straight.

@@robmclaren664 WTF are you talking about?! Hydrogen ALSO need electricity generation and it need 3 times MORE electricity to cover same distance compared to electric cars! You need electricity to to water electrolysis to get hydrogen. BOTH hydrogen and electric vehicle need electricity generation!! The only difference is that hydrogen need 3 times more electricity per mile.

@@martindolinsek7589 agreed. but the kWh/mile required to drive a BEV is MUCH higher than that of a FCEV due to the sheer weight - again, both have their places - daily commutes for people that do 20-50 mile round trips - BEVs are probably a better choice. Going on a roadtrip to that beach 200 miles away on a summer holiday? With a BEV you'd be waiting in line at a station for 4 hours before waiting another 15-45 minutes to charge your car. Oh, and what about the electrical infrastructure to account for such high current requirements once BEVs get more and more utilised? It's expensive either way - having all your eggs in one basket is no way to look at it!

@@AritraDalal No, not true. BEV use WAYY LESS kWh/mile compared to FCEV! If you count the energy what is in the tank then FCEV uses 1 kg of hydrogen per 100 km, which is 33 kWh per 100 km. BEV only use around 18 kWh per 100 km. But to produce that 1 kg of hydrogen (=33 kWh) you need 55 kWh! So you need 3 times more energy PER MILE for FCEV. Or almost 2 times MORE energy for FCEV if you exclude production. In reality BEV are LIGHTER than FCEV! In reality Tesla model 3 long range weights 1829 kg and have an EPA range 353 miles, but hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (FCEV) Toyota Mirai weight 1,848 kg and have only 312 miles. So FCEV is heavier that BEV for the same range in reality. There is no lines to charge up (4 hours, are you mad?!). To charge a Tesla for 300 km you need only 15 minutes of DC fast charging. 99 % of charging is done at home overnight at no extra time spend just plug the cable fot 5 seconds and you are done=current requirenment for that is very low. To install public fast chargers it cost 200 LESS compared to hydrogen station! Hydrogen station cost 2 milion dollars to install, and electric fast charger only 10k.

Yeah again the hydrogen is extremely costly and too complicated and not really friendly. So yes it is behind the battery which is soon to evolve into something greater, that is the battery

@@craighoagland4829 No, technically a hydrogen car is a Hybrid. It works exactly like a diesel-electric locomotive. If it's battery is big enough to be plugged in overnight so it will drive a few miles without the generator running, it's a plug-in hybrid.

H2 FCV are more like CNG and Hybrid Vehicles.

@@adrianguggisberg3656 Hydrogen fuel cell cars are not hybrid, and doesn't store electricity in batteries. It is always producing electricity when the cell is working.

@@blazegeorge6688 All fuel cell cars need batteries to store electric energy. The fuel cell cannot provide the flexibility required for landgoing vehicles. It could work for a ship and possibly even for plane. However, the process in the fuel cell is exactly the same as in a combustion engine. Fuel from a tank and oxygen from the atmosphere are being used to produce energy. A fuel cell with a parallel battery as it's used in all hydrogen fuel cell cars is exactly the same principle as what you find in a Toyota Prius.

Seems like it man, and that's good

That is one of the most accurate comments I have read on the subject.

Problem with Hydrogen fuel cells is that they’ll make a lot of rich and powerful people lose a lot of money

Hyundai may not agree with you. In Britain during the final quarter of 2019 - so pre pandemic - Hyundai sold just *one* single example of their Nexo hydrogen powered SUV. The UK just is not interested in Hydrogen for cars. Nobody wants it here.

@@Brian-om2hh There's virtually no hydrogen infrastructure for refuleing cars in the UK, so why would you buy one in the UK? Germany and Japan are investing heavily in a hydrogen infrastructure. Germany plans to have 60,000 hydrogen cars on the road in the next 3 years. As usual the UK car industry will be left behind, however some heating boiler manufacturers in the UK are producing hydrogen ready boilers (gas boilers) and I understand that about a 20% hydrogen blend will be trialled soon, so hydrogen is on the way.

Agree. However resource mining for batteries happen once and lasts the lifetime of the battery which is generally 300,000 miles. Hydrogen needs to be created for every refuel creating much more waste over the lifetime of the vehicle.

They have found the moon is covered in the stuff that is why most of the big countries including America want to be there as soon as possible 2024 is said to be the first steps back on the moon. The Russians have been working on it for years and now have a system for collecting it and getting it back at a reasonable cost. The moon has a better supply of rare earth elements easily obtained without earth environmental damage. Now you know why Elon is manufacturing reusable Heavy-lift Starships every three days, incredible but the wealth to the world is also incredible.

Nobody really cares about environmental friendliness.

so where is the mention of the mining "farming" steps for creating fuel cell systems with the consideration for energy loss and pollution from fuel cell ELECTRIC CARS? time marker please

@@jasonrassett8487 Curious where you get a battery pack lasting 300,000 miles? At what efficiency or capacity is a battery after 300,000 miles? 40% with a range of 20 miles?

you clearly have not seen the company NIO .. Nio is the answer ,

What if every apartment got it's own garage??? Like the elevators they made in Japan especially for cars parking???

@@mhm3437 c’mon , you clearly haven’t thought this through .....maybe on new builds yes , but not on existing apartment blocks ... the nio battery swap stations are the answer .

Cause it's not going to happen. Either they didn't think of this or they did and want no one to drive Anywhere which is part of the UN 2030 agenda garbage.

I don't suppose you have a gas station there either? Yet you don't mention that as being an issue.

the H2 would leak through existing gas pipes and i doubt it will be delivered in liquid form to put it in your car

@@HanYou2 engineers are smart

@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 i'd be glad to be wrong

Adding the mining of battery minerals is very toxic.

And they catch fire in any accident strong enough to deform the battery.

They don’t want the liberty and freedom of people to prosper. It is all about control of the people.

@@josephward6422 Yes, they want self driving cars to lock the doors and take you to the police station when you are wanted by the state.

@@FFE-js2zp That would never happen! “You silly rabbit: Trix are for kids!”

If the Aptera gets off the ground this time. It’s car will change everything. Why im skeptical as us car companies will treat it like Tucker of the 50s.

Home charging my plugin hybrid with my SOLAR PANEL ELECTRICITY

Not everyone has a home or a garage. Where are they going to charge?

@@jimbob1096 I do not know how it is around the world, but in Denmark a lot of leaders are put up in the cities so people in apartments can drive an electric car also a number of workplaces have charging stations but can use (it is not free but not expensive than at home)

@@jimbob1096 Public charger? They don't have a gas station at home either, but they still get by.....

You don't need to throw it away. It can be recycled or repurposed in energy storage. The lithium and cobalt for EV batteries comes from underground, like oil does.

That may be, but electric vehicles are heavily subsidized by the government, ie, basically the people are paying for it. Therefore, the electric vehicles are being forced upon us so governments can easily control the population at large; they just need to turn off the electric grid.

@@josephward6422 they won't need to the price of electricity is just about to go through the roof... Imagine putting all your eggs in the one basket.. The electric companies will have a monopoly..

Keep thinking that…the number one selling car in the world is the Tesla Model Y.

@@Beatles4Sale. Maybe the number one selling car, but it's only one company and one car. Gas powered cars are still being produce by the other vehicle makers which collectively outnumber electric vehicles. Of course they are pretty much all getting into the action of EV's. One drawback for now at least is the batteries end of life. Buying a used EV could be cost prohibitive if the battery will need replacing soon. It would solve the problem if the batteries can be made smaller and more efficient and longer lasting. There are those working on that among other problems. A lot of people are going to stick to what they're used to. Gas powered vehicles. Which come with their own set of drawbacks. It's just the drawbacks people are used to.

@@danielhanawalt4998 I totally agree with you about Tesla. They really only have two models. The other two are low selling premium vehicles. As far as batteries go, I respectfully disagree. While some batteries have had issues, especially from LG Chem, most can last several hundred thousand miles. The new Tesla Semi is guaranteed for one million miles. Also the batteries are 90-95 percent recyclable. Just one example is a company called Redwood Materials. You can do a search if interested. Links sometimes get taken down. I do agree it’s very early days. There is a lot of work to be done. There are so many companies working on battery technology it’s crazy. The Chinese have a sodium ion battery car coming out, they say, later this year. It’s for low powered vehicles. I do think that electric vehicles are not the only solution. But we are on the S curve for electric car sales…even in the USA.

Have you heard about wood powered Teslas?

@@Vidmantas969 Casey Jones used wood. It must be true, I saw it on the television...

The flatulence teslas are the most efficient.

Strangely, the same coal fired power stations have powered the oil refineries which probably produced the fuel for the car you drive, yet you don't see that as an issue? Strange.

They can be recycled in places like the EV battery recycling plant VW already have up and running. The cobalt and lithium within an EV battery can be 90% recovered and reused. You can't recover and reuse burnt gas and diesel. Older EV batteries can also be repurposed as energy storage in commercial, industrial and domestic applications.

What comes additional to that is the amount of energy you need to produce the lithium cells. To recycle them is practically impossible what leads to toxic waste.

Then surly that means the power stations need changing not the electric cars.

Not in the UK it doesn't. Just 4% of the UK's energy is from coal. Do more research before you post.

@@rohei1681 Recycling lithium cells is practically impossible? You'd better tell Volkswagen. They built an EV recycling plant in Zwickau in Eastern Germany a while ago, and have been using it ever since. The video of the recycling process is here on RU-vid. I didn't see any toxic waste, as almost everything was recycled and reused......

and natural gas, mostly methane.

Batteries for lawn movers

Toyota isn't the first one with that idea, BMW and Mazda already experimented with that before and all, including Toyota now, ran into the issue that it is not easy to switch a fossil fuel ICE to Hydrogen and even with extensive modifications it has very poor fuel economy with the Hydrogen. I give them kudos for being able to complete the race when not too long ago they blew engines only after about 5 minutes of run time but the race also shows the issues in that it needed lots of refueling stops (about every 10 laps) even though it had an approx. 180 liter volume tank that took up the whole rear section of the vehicle and that the refueling station for just this one vehicle was huge with two trailers for the Hydrogen and a class B/7 truck for the filling equipment that needed to be away from the normal pit stops due to size and safety. With that I think you can pretty much forget that it would be a cheaper alternative to facing out traditional ICE.

We're decades behind due to large oil companies shoving a wrench in the works

I already driven over 190k miles in EVs. Hydrogen has absolutely no chance.

EV’s are no alternative to petrol or diesel. 1 Kg of petrol can lift 1 ton 5000 meters straight up but, 1 Kg of Li-ion can lift 1 ton only 300 meters… no comparison

​@@newdean1637 Maybe it has, but it might be just a bit too soon yet.

Another video sponsored by the oil and gas industry. They are desperate to get traction for hydrogen production. The reason is they know that green hydrogen (hydrogen created from water by electrolysis) will be unable to keep up with demand and therefore they be able to reform hydrogen from fossil fuels and thereby continue to trash the environment for profit and bonuses.

YES 👍

Why would you replace them every 3 to 4 years when they have an 8 year warranty? And note that's a *warranty* not the lifespan, which is often 10+ years, after which the pack can be refurbished at a fraction of the cost of a total replacement. Lithium batteries used in home energy system often carry a 10 year warranty, and usually last 15 to 20 years.

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@ Phil V If current use is your criteria - then give up now because because gas has a million fill-up points around the US alone. Perhaps you should think about whether gas stations can be repurposed as hydrogen fuel stations as tech improves and keep all those millions of businesses operating.

@@ln5493 my point is the world has already choosen : we are installing 10 000 times more plugs than H2 stations, period. And all these old gas stations will simply diseapear, the surving ones will be repurposed... as battery quickchargers stations. I know, many public and sponsorized initiatives join their forces to install those 1 million$ h2 stations. It won't change the facts : the near future is for li-ion and 150 to 350 kW chargers, the next level is the li-solid or li-sulfur, with 450 to 1MW charge and 800-1000 kms autonomy. The H2 momentum is and will, never comes. The more battery is progressing, the less hydrogen is interesting. It's a kind of plasma TV announced in a world already using Oled and waiting for Microled. An already lost battle.

@@philv3941 realistically only homeless people, or those on extremely long holidays will need dedicated plug in power stations, as it’ll be more likely done at your home over night, like your phone

@@ln5493 " Perhaps you should think about whether gas stations can be repurposed as hydrogen fuel stations as tech improves and keep all those millions of businesses operating." Live by the sword, die by the sword.

@@ln5493 If you really want to use the "number of fill up points" criteria, How many electrical sockets are there accessible by vehicles on the planet? Slightly more than "a million"? Sorry, you lose

sure but I wouldn't try to pollinate them. Now if you mean peeee on a open 300+ VDC pack wile holding the cable of one pole in your hands then I'd say not recommended. If you are looking for a thrill than peee on a powered electric cattle fence while standing real close to the fence ;), actually forget what I just said, don't do it.

Still takes too long at the moment to charge while away from home, Hydrogen would take less than 5 minutes for a 400 mile range and not everyone is as lucky as you in having somewhere to charge overnight, where I live in England at least half of homes are terraced houses or apartment's where there is nowhere to charge up your car. I personally think in 30 years people will look back at electric cars and say did they really think they were the future.

Exactly. Germany explicitly stated for example that the EV concept would not fit in their society. Taken how accurate they are in terms of societal latency, nobody would have the time to wait for their car to charge for hours as every second is precious. They have pushed the hydrogen technology further than any other country in Europe.

No not really hydrogen is a massive energy hog so its a non starter.

Guess what : many people live in apartments and don't have a private parking space to charge their EVs.

@@johndoe1909 Things move on electric cars once had a range of 75 miles now look. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hydrogen as a source of propulsion, man seems to be pretty ingenious, great strides in technology seem to be all around us I wouldn't bet against it that's for sure.

And if everyone switch to plug in the same except electric companies and btw in America we don't have near the grid to even support 10% having ev's hell some parts of the country use rolling brownouts still due to lack of electricity

You do realize prices reflect all the wages & regulations, not profit?

@@wuhanlabtech3580 EV charging will primarily occur off peak demand periods and electricity will be priced to encourage that. The expansion of solar and decentralized storage throughout the grid also reduces peak load problems.

You said it. And that is exactly why the big oil companies are *desperate* for hydrogen to succeed. They know full well that in 10 to 15 years time the arse will have dropped out of their once precious oil market, and they need to find a replacement. Preferably one they can control the price and availability of.......

Now ask yourself that same kind of question regarding fuel cell systems

Richard. Once problems are experienced with an EV battery failing to hold it's charge as well as it did when new, it usually means a number of the cells in the pack are failing. A full replacement may not actually be necessary. Some EV battery packs can be refurbished, with the failing cells being replaced with good ones. Here in the UK, we have companies who can undertake such work. One such company posted a RU-vid video some time back of a battery refurbishment they carried out on a 10 year old UK owned Nissan Leaf. The work took 4 hours, and cost the owner £600.

How efficient is to turn crude oil into diesel or gasoline? 🤔

The cumulative efficiency of the total process is below 33%. Electrolysis> storage > transport > Reconversion > Drive.

@@rogerstarkey5390 If you have a renewable energy source behind electrolysis you can produce hydrogen clean and efficient. Can we achieve the same result with crude oil? If the electricity is provided in that specific area why we need transportations? The infrastructure is already here we only need a reliable power source.

@@Volkyno Ah! The "Free Renewable source" opinion! As a clean energy advocate I'm always being told "but only X% of the grid is clean energy" ...... Which is true! (Increasing, but true) Therefore, we need all we can get and we need to use it to *offset as much fossil fuel generation as possible* (I'm sure you agree?) That being the case, when applied to the task of moving "a vehicle" we have 2 "new solutions"? Straight BEV Hydrogen. Take 3 "units" of Electrical Energy (assume they're "green") Process those 3 units to move a BEV and you get an output of about 2.4 units "at the wheels" (80% efficient)? Do the same with Hydrogen, you get about 1 unit (maybe less) "at the wheels? 2 viewpoints. You move the BEV 2.4 times the distance for the same energy. Or You just used an extra 1.4 units for the same distance. That's 1.4 units which could have (SHOULD have!) been used to offset fossil generation. That means 1.4 units of DIRTY energy was produced and used elsewhere. Therefore *Hydrogen is not CLEAN* Even if you use clean energy. It's DIRTY on an ongoing basis. ......... As for the next "argument" "But if it was going to be wasted, if it was SPARE capacity!!!" Simple BUILD MORE STORAGE. Build it ONCE and that energy is never wasted again. Just btw, it doesn't have to be Lithium based storage! Cheap but bulky versions are available. It's that simple!!

Electrolysis itself is around 68 to 80% efficient in most applications - and that too, it's only looking at utilising the hydrogen, and throwing out the O2. Electrical charging infrastructure requires a huge amount infrastructure upgrade to deal with peaks of current usage - yes you can "gather" all the electrical energy in a HUGE space comsuming battery farm, or in a smaller high pressure hydrogen bund :)

No

yes, this is why plenty of manufactures are already preparing and testing fleets of hydrogen and hybrid vehicles for government utilities worldwide. Perfect for refuse removal, road cleaners, etc.. massive savings guaranteed.

Problem 1. Liquid Hydrogen is at the very top of the energy density scale because it takes an enormous amount of energy to produce it. Problem 2. A disbursement accident like a truck or car accident can/will mix hydrogen with oxygen and the smallest spark will produce a detonation, literally a thermonuclear bomb.

It is true that hydrogen is better for very large ships and very large very long distance planes, but for semi trucks and locomotive electricity is the winner (look at the Tesla Semi, and it will get even better with new models). Locomotive is perfect example for electricity, you don't even need batteries to power the train.

@@smackcheeks EV and ice cars go boom too. What's your point?

is there a fuel cell system value chain description somehwere?

Parked overnight to get cheap wind.

You must have co-produced the video

Don't think so.. Electricity will if going down that route will create a monopoly, hydrogen must be used to have choices as for your electricity powers all approach its no use with heavy machinery

@@johnallan1134 Does Hydrogen turn the wheels? Where there is electricity there is magnetism. You miss the fundamental point. An ICE unit turns vertical motion into rotary motion. This represents a loss of efficiency. The electric motor begins with rotary motion. Look up the efficiencies of both. What matters is how the electric motor gets the energy to rotate. My thought bypasses, a fuel cell or battery, and states that the if the electric motor is going to turn, it requires energy. Hope this helps your thought process.

When you add towing, it like 40%

Plus people don’t really charge in stations. It is done at home overnight.

@Harreson...a while back SOME GUYS CRYSTALL BALL showed just 12 Horseless Carriage Model T...no filling stations....and about 18,000 Horse with Carriage and several hundred thousand horses...point is......HYDROGEN is here to stay...will grow significantly over next 5 years ....however...Generation Y and Z will prefer PILOTLESS DRONES as the personal transportation of Choice by 2040 so all the previous modes of transportation...including horse and buggy...will all be museum pieces.

@@renegallegos7938 Just invest your millions in the infrastructure then. What are you waiting for? A surefire bet, right? :) Meanwhile hydrogen for cars is making less and less sense since every year they will cost more than an equivalent EV. Sure, a 1000 mile hydrogen vs 500 mile EV kinda sorta makes sense, until you realise that the EV will be much cheaper to operate overall. 1000 miles - that is a $50 trip hydrogen vs a $15 trip electric (granted, $20 extra will be spent on food during the 30 min pit stop).

And when exactly are these solid state batteries coming

@@wertigon The high cost of hydrogen is mainly due to the low demand. But I have a few reasons why Hydrogen holds a chance. EV have a lot of lithium ion batteries. These batteries will degrade slowly. The process of recycling Lithium is difficult, and if it is recycled then it is not profitable. Even fuel cell vehicles need batteries but the amount of batteries hydrogen cars need is way less than in a conventional EV. The range of a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle depends upon the amount of hydrogen fuel cells and not the amount of batteries in the vehicle, and because the charge has to be stored for a short period of time, then hydrogen cars can use supercapacitors instead of lithium ion batteries. Supercapacitors unlike their lithium ion counterparts, can last like forever

case closed lol.

Toyota Mirai now in its second generation a hydrogen fuel cell powered saloon car.

Very simple: the equipment to produce hydrogen is very expensive, so it is just not economical only using it for the small (~5% ?) part of the time that renewables have a surplus capacity. This might change in the - not so near - future (20 to 40years?) when the equipment is cheaper and more efficient, and the surplus factor is way higher. However, even then it might be a better idea to shave of the surplus using a battery backup of about 1 day, schedule energy intense usage on surplus moments (e.g. car charging), etc...

For now. The new Mirai can get 850 miles of range. The only downside at this time is the lack of infrastructure at the moment

@@lions208436 Nice use of "Occam's razor". Don't mention ALL the other downsides of hydrogen - hazardous material, expense, invisible fire, complexity (ha-ha, all the things that were held against batteries at one stage or another....)

@@chrisheath2637 Word! That would have taken too much time to list all the pros and cons.

but you can not use it too often, check Tesla website, Tesla advise only use the super charge once in a while, becaseu it stress out the battery and shorten the Life of battery

Currently just 2 out of 10 chargers are 150kW, the rest are 70kW which is a 2 hour charge time.

And theres barely any of them

350kw chargers are already here in the UK...

Air. Concern about the air you and your kids breath.

Solid state batteries should solve the problems of battery recycling.

They can easily produce those cars. It's not a complicated thing. They've been around for a while. The problem is filling stations. The easiest way is onsite production thru water electrolysis. That requires expensive retrofitting current gas stations.

Try watching the RU-vid video posted by a Tesla Model S owner. His car had covered 400'000 kms on it's original battery.

what about all the energy it takes to mine the elements for fuel cell systems?

what about all the energy it takes to mine all the cobalt the oil companies use to remove sulphur during the refining process?

i did use the K with distilled water that regenerates by separating the H and the O2. the H goes to the air mass which enters the fuel injection/carb. the exhaust end is the H2O. i used it on my 1995 Buick Park Avenue; took it to the smog station in 2010. the printout shows NOX 0-.05. too bad the DMV would not allow this smog result.

hydrogen cars get 300 miles a tank, which takes 5 minutes to fill, already surpassing every EV on the market other than the top-end Teslas and luxury models. And that is assuming no innovations in hydrogen from now to mass production. As far as pollution goes, its just a matter of switching out the source of electricity. And there are states in the US that already run on 50% nuclear and other alternative sources than fossil fuels.

Thats why EVs now have ranges from 200 to 300 miles per charge, so you don't have to charge every night.. Most people charge at home and for those that can't charge at home usually charge when they are out shopping or doing errands. Charge stations can now charge at 170kw to 200+kw and newer EVs can charge at least to 175+kw. EVs are here to stay.

@@mamadouaziza2536 i never said that they won't say, i just said that battery electric vehicles are not the only version of EV that will flourish, hydrogen electric vehicles will also flourish along with the them, as for storing electricity more and more batteries are needed and in a grid that much batteries won't be economical, while hydrogen can be stored underground after production and holds the energy for longer amount of time, at large scale operation such as bus, trains, airplane hydrogen will be needed, BEV will be more of consumer electronics, while HEV will be for heavy operations, both are here to stay

I see now point in using electricity to produce hydrogen then use the hydrogen to produce electricity. Why not use directly electricity? I see hydrogen as a good version of Petrol hence the same companies try to sell it now.

Hydrogen is good for aircraft

@@MichaelGreenLagos yes that would work. You don’t need a massive refuelling info structure.

@@MichaelGreenLagos maybe for a blimp for anything else it's poor volumetric energy density in comparison to fossil fuels will mean that it needs to be liquified cryo Hydrogen which requires even more energy than compressed H2, has it's own special challenges and even then it still has only a third of the volumetric energy density of the fossil fuel counterpart.

Most new electric cars have a greater range than a conventional fuel tank. You can also have fuel stations in the middle of the Nullarbor which doesn't need fuel delivered. What a massive saving in cost and a clean environment. Hydrogen is dumb as it is back to the old fuel system. It has to be made them delivered and it is a very volatile fuel far more dangerous than petrol. China has come up with a new battery that doesn't catch fire in an accident. This has killed a lot of fears about battery electrics and it has even more range. Nuclear batteries are being developed that never need charging and last a lifetime. In a few years, you will have electric jet planes. Very cheap air travel. Hydrogen is not the fuel of the future. Only the government wants it because it is easy to tax being made and sold as a quantity and can't be obtained free from the environment like solar electricity. Oil companies are very much in favour of solar generation. Once they have installed their solar collecting system which can be wind or sun it's money all the way to the bank. Many farms in America are looking to have all their machinery Battery Electric charged by wind and solar station, except for the initial solar installation cost it's stand-alone free energy. These new robotic farm machines work twenty-four-seven. Wi-Fi controlled from a central station with drones flying around reporting on any breakdown in the system. Free electricity from solar or nuclear is the future. Don't be surprised if Elon comes up with a nuclear electric plasma rocket very soon to go to Mars. LOL.

LMFAO peobably because I've been there

@@briansture4353Russia already has it, research "Burevestnik"

Maruf Bepary; You mean we aren`t going to have fool cell powered lawn mowers?

NIO is a cheating story to trap people's money. Trust Chinese companies, why not directly pouring money into the sea? The core of any EV cars is the battery. Any swapping of batteries means hand-over car owners' asset to someone / some companies.........

Battery Swap is too EXPENSIVE and it LIMITS how many cars can be PRODUCED. which is why TESLA Abandoned battery swap technology for SUPERCHARGING. this is why TESLA can make over 600,000 cars per year and NIO only 10,000 cars per year. NIO House is also TOO EXPENSIVE and IF they want to GROW will have to KILL NIO House and battery swap.

@@markplott4820 NIO just this month have expanded into Norway.

@@pcmdanny2 NIO give you the option to buy their cars much cheaper without the battery. You then lease the battery for $150/mth and swap or charge if you like. The business model is extremely popular as all current limitations to EV travel are bypassed.

@@smackcheeks - NIO is SMALL potatoes , NORWAY still perfers Compact HOT HATCH , compared to what NIO is offering. and by Q4 2021 TESLA Berlin should be OPERATIONAL and Producing the ADVANCED model Y , which will OUTSELL NIO .

Doesn't mean it's better bud

H2O2 energy density is about 750 Wh/kg. And that´s before you put it into a fuel cell. That´s pretty terrible for a liquid fuel. The safety issues would make it a bad choice even if the energy was higher.

@@michalfaraday8135 well , guess again - gasoline is toxic and highly flammable - H202 is neither , so .... What's your objection as you're here reading about HYDROGEN Energy storage goes up with concentration , but 90% H202 has about 3 times the energy of gasoline As a storage medium , water is much cheaper and more available than , say , lithium

@@NCOGNTO To quote a famous Jedi, congratulations, everything you said was wrong. Well almost. Hydrogen peroxide burns your skin on contact, tends to set clothes and other objects on fire if you spill it and its vapor spontaneously combusts on contact. And the energy density is as I already wrote is nowhere near pure hydrogen. You dont seem to understand the diffeerence.

And the energy of 90% is about 80:% of CRYOGENIC H2 I've been doing this too long to put up with disinformation You work for an oil company ?

@@michalfaraday8135 to quote a famous H202 MANUFACTURER " complete safety has been experienced is all government programs AS A FUEL" I tend to believe them more than Jedi's