Hyrule Warriors Switch Improves Over Wii U - But It's Still Not Good Enough 

I'd say maybe. However, considering it can drop to 40 at points at 1080, I don't think it will always be capped at 60fps if at 900p. I'd say 720p 60fps docked while 720p 30fps docked is still the best bet.

Seacliff Mmm my point is mantaining a solid 60fps sacrificing some resolution or even graphics quality. Rock-solid 30fps could be good though

Why choose? We should be able to choose ALL OF THESE OPTIONS IN A MENU. PC gamers are scratching their heads. ALL console games should have high res/high frame switch in options at the V E R Y M I N I M U M

i think is cpu problem also at 720p you ll have same situations

They should release a console that is actually up to date with those released six years ago. Its honestly a little stupid that original PS4s and Xbox Ones are still more powerful.

Are you able to disable them on a modded switch?

​@@helloguy8934 nope

@@o-datsingh7296 rip

@@helloguy8934 modded switches just let you download games for free

@@o-datsingh7296 bro no

And then you'd play multiplayer and have the visual quality turn to crap with only small groups of 5-25 enemies on screen for each player, getting high KO counts was impossible in co-op which was disappointing but the Switch seems like it will be much better

TheGameCreator13 It is. You get a framerate between 35 and 45 fps, resolution seems to stay the same and there are as many enemies per player as they for Singleplayers on Wii U.

SteelSkin667 i swear its almost like they WANT their games to have slowdown, judging from their more recent history

SteelSkin667 it would improve the framerate and the battery life to run it at 720p

Playing in portable? Performance is amazing. I honestly have no qualms and I put 196 hours into the Wii U version.

@@ahums16 Stop lying, lmao. I bought the game a few days ago. The game has a lot of framedrops in handheld mode. The downscaling is so goddamn useless. It could run at locked 30 fps instead of 20-30 as it is.

@@DiePoente Yyyyeahh, I wrote that comment after playing the Wii U version for 206 hours and the Switch was still new to me. XD Which on Wii U was 720p @ 30 fps. The game for docked play is great, but it's absolutely abysmal that Koei Tecmo didn't make the game run at 720p in portable mode and still haven't patched it ~ so they will never at this point. If they did I'm sure that 60 fps would be much more doable.

I seem to recall Fire Emblem Warriors offering 1080p/30 or 720p/60 day one. But still it could be patched for Hyrule Warriors.

If only

Still hasn’t three years later

MASSIVE COPE LMAO

Still not patched?

Mucrush Probably with a few drops.

likely not as at 1080p the framerate is all over the place, 900p docked and 720p handheld would be logical

Who gives the shit about 180 pixels extra on screen,like 720p vs 900p? I don’t am fine with 720p. O and who gives the shit about 5fps EXTRA,like 55fps vs 60fps, i don’t don’t care am fine sith 55fps.

I'm not saying 720p or 900p. i'm saying both, also like you'd as long as we are hitting 55+ its good. I prefer FPS over resolution

johneygd pixel count doesn't work that way, the 180 pixels is just the single dimension pixel, when u count both dimension, it's (1920*1080) - (1600*900) which equals to 633.6k pixels. Still, I agree that the difference between the 2 wouldn't be big enough to notice at first glance

vertti Wait, this doesn't have that? I thought that was a given.

Nah ma, watch the video. It's 4-60 1080p docked and 30 or less at 1080p downsampled to 720p in handheld when 720p native would do wonders

Koei is actually the publisher. pretty sure they didnt handle this definitive edition. if anything, it would be Omega Force on their side, but again, not even sure if they handled this version.

isturbo1984 i assumed omega force was a subsidiary of koei?

vertti yes. they are the developer. koei is the publisher. thats like saying Bethesda made Doom, Dishonored, The Evil Within and ESO... when in fact all different developers handheld each of those.

Julian Andrewartha agreed, this is the first version I’ve felt worked. I hated how it felt on WiiU and again on 3DS. 3rd time’s the charm IMO.

Stuttering is a result of inconsistent frame times - when you're talking about a game that almost never seems to fit it's FPS target, it's kinda impossible to UNDERSTATE the amount of stutter it will cause. If you don't notice it, or don't care, that's fine - but it's a separate argument.

I do notice when the frame rate drops, but it doesn't seem like as big of a deal breaker as Digital Foundry makes it out to be. Generally, the game feels pretty nice despite the frame rate performance.

It's a musou game, it's more about map movement than the combat itself. It's not like Mh4U n3ds where having unlock framerate going from 40 to 60 will ruin the game, I actually think it was the best choice. I don't want this mode to go in favour of a 30 fps lock, but if they add a 900p so it can reach 60fps then by all mean, just keep both in. Now portable mode is straight up garbage right now and needs a patch.

It's just one of DF's biggest pet peeves, uneven frame rate. It is a preference thing. They always prefer stable 30fps over uneven uncapped. But I'm with you though, I feel like if a game can hit about 45 fps or above I'm good with that, and I prefer it to a stable 30 fps.

michael svensson It's a surprise that it goes from 720p/30 from the Wii U to 1080p/60~ on Switch, I only expected a resolution increase so the increase in fluidity was a nice surprise considering I didn't realise the games ran at an uncapped frame rate

...crispy?

Ace Crisp, clean Never heard that expression before? Same as saying sharp haha

michael svensson Yeah they act like 45-60 is super jarring but in gameplay it's really nice

WestTownHD This sounds like something IGN would do.

Multiplayer is much better now. Before on Wii U it was split content (1P on GamePad, 2P on TV). That framerate and resolution was pretty bad.

Nick Jones that was my problem. It even stays stable in terms of framerate. Really enjoy playing multiplayer on switch. Just for the love of God do not play multiplayer in hand held mode! Lol

BraveBird Lol comparing bad to bad doesn't mean it's good. The Switch is capable of more, we know. If you weren't such a butthurt fanboy you'd have realized they said they expected more numerous times. And that largest performance nonsense is just garbage you're feeding yourself since you have no evidence and don't work anywhere near the industry. Get a real home console/not a handheld.

Cheshire Hat lol? you say i should've expected more and then say "get a real console". its fucking obvious itd run better on other platforms and i know that lmfao but its not like itll ever be ported to anything else. most wii u ports just got a bump from 720p to 1080p and nothing else, even less so with botw. this one doubles the framerate (yes obv it still sucks that its not consistent but ill gladly take it over a constant 25ish) and considerably ups the draw distance. what i'm saying is the raw performance boost was great, moreso than most first party ports (handheld performance is similar to wii u but rendering in 1080p still, meanwhile dkc ran at a lower resolution and other games just matched wii u fidelity) but their lack of optimization/effort is what created the flaws. i'm certain df feels the same way. thanks for blowing up at me tho, i guess we all gotta waste our time with toxic baby console wars every now and then

"One of the largest performance boosts of any Wii U port" That's not saying much. Most WIi U ports were already running at 60 FPS on WIi U, so was there really any other performance boost they needed? All they did for this game was make the framerate unplayable to just barely playable. If the Switch can run Odyssey at 60 FPS then it can run this game at a stable 30 or 720p 60.

@@BasedRedemption I think Switch has a big problem with 1080p resolution, Odyssey doesn't have a fixed resolution so it can always keep the 60 FPS, other games on switch should do the same.

Nuvendil and there are a lot more enemies rendered at once.

Hermy :3 You could get around 110 K.Os with Cia's special now :P

Julian Andrewartha True. But at least had a "locked" resolution mode (although the PS4pro version always will have a more unstable frame rate than the normal PS4 version, annoyingly enough).

Julian Andrewartha It offers an option for steady 30fps mode.

Guess that is because there was an option to play that game at a capped framerate as well. With Hyrule warriors you can't chose and thus have to endure the variable framerate.

The 2 games are different, god of war was made for the ps4. While hyrule warriors is a port from previous gen.

Julian Andrewartha LOL do you want to compare god of war graphics with this one? LoL are you serious?

Nuvendil it's considered "not bad" because most Switch games are 600p-900p and the other two enhanced consoles and most mid to high end graphics cards are usually 1440p-2160p.

Ultra Smash?! You mean Mario Tennis?

Poever Yeah, I meant Aces

Racer boy And run around 30 fps :P

The Switch better competes in the PS4/XBone space, not PSPro/XBonx space. For a console that can be taken outside, let alone simply away from the desk, it hits some high marks. To treat and compare it against stationary monstrosities of hot-running, higher priced machines is just unfair comparison. And when some of those higher res games you mention also have issues hitting a stable 30 in many cases, let alone a stable 60, I don't feel like the Switch is the console to be going after for fidelity and stability.

there is a problem with it, promising 60fps and not hitting it most of the time is a problem.

NonsensicalVids 60 was never mentioned though in the marketing of the game and honestly it feels so good at 45+

Seriously I'll always take fluctuating frames above 30 over a locked 30 any day.

Conor Porteous it was actually announced to be 1080p @ 30fps xD And now it's 1080p @45-60 fps

Conor Porteous I just find it beyond sad that this is what we've come to. Bragging or bitching about FPS in a game rather than judging a game on it's own merits and whether or not it is actually fun to play.

ahums16 I can sometimes reach 5k K.Os

BitchBitch 50 hours in, myself as well on occasional maps. :)

ahums16 Oof-

BitchBitch Hahaha! Though once I tried to max out at 9,999 KO's by milking the prisoner's spawn points in the Gerudo map when you don't save them, unfortunately only got up to 9,800 something as I ran out of time and had to complete the mission. :P If you are ever short on specific materials, Ganon's Fury mode can give you plenty of them, highly suggest frequenting that mode for specific enemies.

ahums16 Oh my-

Walther Penne I know this. I was suggesting that 50fps should be considered as an acceptable alternative to 60fps especially in the case of the switch.

Matthew Andrews It would cause screen tearing

sony does not charge full price for half assed ports unlike another company.

Worldstar keys Your right, it charges double for games that won't last 6 years. Do I have to mention that sony is the same dumb ass company that tried to destroy one of the most famous celebs of all time aka the King of pop?

Yeah but you also have to remember that there is Hyrule Warriors on the Wii U with framrate targeting 30fps at 720p but most of the times it runs at 25fps. 40fps to 60fps at 1080p is still a big improvement over 24 to 30fps

Cyber Dragon They can gives us the option to play at 720p so we can get a locked 60. Who the fuck cares about image quality in a an action game? You won’t notice a thing.

Having 40 FPS in-game I notice is sort of like 30 FPS on youtube videos (and 30 FPS youtube looks a lot smoother than in-game 30 FPS) and it only gets that low during heavy bosses and all. I hope I can get a switch this summer and pick this up! Portable for the win!

Typical KOEI laziness.

Yeah, the framerate is awful in handheld mode.

Tank207 Its awful but still playable

No, it's because you're too poor to afford a PC and play games at a consistent 60 FPS. You develop a keen eye for frame rate drops after playing on PC for a while.

PikamonMaster poor eh?i have a 1080ti and a vive + vive pro hmd. I have a monster pc. So dont tell me im not a pc gamer you scrub.

PikamonMaster Pcs can't run 8k 60fps though

Komatose because the framerate is not a constant 60 like most other nintendo exclusives.

DigitalFoundry moves slow with putting out video's. I don't see that coming until Monday since Sunday is used for John Retro video's.

I've played both the 3DS and Switch versions for hundreds of hours, and I definitely think it's worth a purchase.

Besides, Warriors games never really have a stable framerate. One Piece Pirate Warriors 3 on the PS4, a game I also enjoy, has the same (arguably worse) framerate than this game. Even then I prefere the PS4 version over the PC version. In the end both games play great and are a ton of fun.

Bought it myself recently and it's still the same, the game was never patched, it's still on version 1.0.0

@@ericbot924 Dammit... That sucks. Sadly Nintendo is not the best when it comes to after release support. They rarely release anything unpolished but when they do, it can be a huge bummer

@@ericbot924 Does it feel as rough as it sounds in handheld mode based on DF's review? I have the OLED model and mainly now want to play handheld

@@TheKasikaasu granted this is Koei Tecmo who are known for their pretty bad performance. Compared to the Wii U version this is a huge improvement and even at 1080p in handheld it still somehow runs better than AOC.

@@TheKasikaasu It was fine, it depends if you have experience with other Warrior games on Switch and how you felt about them, I'd say it's better than AOC and even SW5 but it's worse than FEW, Three Hopes or DW8. Image quality is great at least

@xxnike629xx Games will still need to be able to run in handheld mode. Also, the Switch gets pretty hot even in the current dock and you want them to make a more powerful one? You might as well stick the thing into a toaster, since that will doubtlessly produce the same result.

Mooks are just cannon fodder. The captains and commanders are the ones that actively attack you. If every enemy tried to dogpile, you wouldn't last five seconds.

Mark Haynes Whats the point of this game then anyway. It's fooling players so they feel invincible. Pretty boring concept of a fighting game

@2m8y4u While the one vs thousands gameplay is the biggest draw of the musou franchise, constantly killing monsters isn't all you do. There is a strategic element to the series where you need to go across the map capturing keeps and killing key targets while also trying to defend your own base. It requires a surprising amount of forward thinking, especially in some of the later stages.

Mark Haynes ok I see, sounds much better the way you describe it

That's not ENTIRELY true but for the most part you're right. There's quite a few examples of games that run above 720p, every first party game runs at at least 900p with most games reaching 60fps, and personally I can barely tell the difference between 900p and 1080p. The Switch is weak but when games are properly optimised they can run extremely well, it's just a shame that not all developers choose to optimise their games.

Nathan I'm not saying that the Switch is weak man. I'm saying that demanding triple A third party games like Doom for example is what I'm trying to explain. First party Nintendo games obviously tend to run at a higher resolution because they were built from the ground up for the Switch. While other games made by third party developers are made for the PS4 and Xbox One in mind stronger systems that have X86 architecture and then ported to the Switch ARM architecture. I'm happy with what the Switch can do it is powerful but, I just listed its technical flaws.

Even if they were using more modern tech, one thing that will hinder it is battery life. Games like this drain the power in only a few hours. So unless battery tech is improved considerably not long into the future, this is the best we'll get.

I see where you're coming from. When I said weaker I should have said in comparison with the PS4/XB1, so that's a mistake on my part.

Mark Haynes If Nintendo went with an ARM 70 series CPU they could have gotten more efficiency, higher clock speed and a lot more performance. The ARM57 CPU in the Switch is 3 years old and is power hungry so less performance and really low clock speed with more power consumption.

There are ways to enhance the Switch battery, plus it uses a "C Charger", so it can be plugged anywhere and keep playing. Games like Botw, which is huge, can go up to 3 hours.

sushi otaku For other games it has a better battery. Maybe it's not for you but for a lot of people Switch is the ultimate portable console.

sushi otaku it's a handheld not a phone, that's like saying an android or apple tablet isn't "a good mobile" because it doesn't go in your pocket. Being a handheld means you can hold it in your hands and play, it doesn't mean it has to be pocketable

sushi otaku so are you butthurt about it ? Did I hurt your fanboy feelings ? The first Vita also had max 3 hours on some games. Atleast I own both and enjoy both systems.

shadowhunterrx That's BS, I still play my Vita to this day. You don't own one to make such a stupid statement. Switch battery is trash, I bought it year of release due to hype. Stoping being a fanboy or a just a sad troll.

Unfortunatly this didn't age well. AoC is far worse performance wise than DE. Also no performance mode either...

@@Awsomander I'm going to wait to play it until a better system comes out.

Wanders Gion Finally a good opinion!

Joseph F You have to play it in order to understand it

BitchBitch I tried it. It was not fun for me.

Joseph F Huh well everyone has their own opinions :/

If you don't want to hear any complaints, you're in the wrong place. Digital Foundry do nothing but complain.

Mr. Gency True