Great video, thank you. Hey, speaking of spreadsheets, when you recite all that data I can’t store it in my head and compare it. But if you could put that data on the screen in a spreadsheet format that I can pause and study that would be very helpful. Food for thought. Keep up the great job
@@lbc2840 Laurent, even with improved transit, there will always be many people (such as myself) that have no practical way of commuting to work using public transit. Incentives close the price gap between gas and electric vehicle choices to help buyers make a cleaner choice.
@@lbc2840 good point Laurent, many areas do need better charging infrastructure to reduce range anxiety and to service those that cannot charge at home or at work. If we had better networks, EVs would not need such large battery packs and this would reduce the price substantially
We have a model 3 (and a sonata hybrid) and my wife commutes 66km every day and we use only level 1 charging. It adds 10km per hour. Under normal work week situation level 1 works fine for us. She has free level 2 at her workplace. What I am trying to say is, we can enjoy evs with level1 charger as well.
I’d go for the ioniq mostly because of the interior. I don’t understand why this is more of a spreadsheet calculation vs ice vehicles. ICE cars have the same if not more options and efficiency/ranges to go along with the various engine and drive configurations.
My EV6 came in and did not like the dark interior and lower ceiling and black gloss plastic. On the Ionic I love the headroom, light interior, big glass back seat comfort (also the clearance under the front seat for passenger's feet is roomier) and room and the space in the hatch in the Ionic 5. The Ionic 5 is going to be our highway cruiser, so the issue of the seat heating cooling buttons and heated steering, we are keeping our 2020 Soul EV Limited for the around town stuff, the 2019 Soul EV Luxury will be traded on the Ionic (top trim) which is due in May, 2022
Drove an Ionic 5 today and tried out the voice features. The heated/ventilated seats and steering wheel can be controlled by voice and it works just as well as it did with our Tesla MY. Buttons would be nice but we lived without them in the Tesla and it was fine.
The Ionic 5 to me.looks like a Golf and the dashboard looks like something from the 80s GM mid size car. Remember those all flat with screens plopped in front of them. Same thing.
Much higher quality and cleaner presentation than the 80s GM A cars. Plus the Ioniq blended some curves into the mix. I like that the Ioniq 5 looks like a Golf.
Great review as always! Thanks very much for the effort. One off-topic question: What's your car, in which you sit in your videos? :) Thanks again for this great video!
I’d still get the IONIQ 5. Open interior design, better visibility, bigger sunroof. The EV6 has high belt-line and lower roof, resulting in small size windows; feels like driving a military Tank.
I agree with you Tony. I like the open feeling interior. The Kia really could use a lighter interior as well…too dark for my taste. Glad they both exist
The KIA reminds me too much of the 5th Gen Camaro with that silly high window sill. Have owned all 4 Gen Camaros previously and refused to buy a Gen 5 because I felt like I was sitting at the bottom of a well. Gotta have the ability to have your arm on the sill as you cruise with the Foghat cranked up to 11...lol.
But what have they done to address battery degradation issues? Previous Kia and Hyundai EV models losing up to 20%of capacity within 60K km. If considering don’t purchase. Lease instead.
We have a MY and I have used a level 1 charger for 1+ year. We drive 25 miles to work/kids school, and 25 back. At 4 miles per hour of charge, it charges back up on 12 hours, more then enough for 7 pm to 8 am. My works also offers free charging, so I can charge there (assuming I get a spot).
Thank you for this comparison. This is such a great idea. I believe, that some electric flush door handles are ill-advised and a senseless contraption, especially in Canada. South Ontario, Quebec and Eastern Canada, yesterday evening.... .....heavy wet snow with freezing rain ! With a 1/2 inch+ of solid ice this becomes an unsmiling challenge !
I’d love to get the ioniq5, wouldn’t consider the EV6. Why? Looks and height. EV6 feels too much like a veloster. Too sporty for kids, and don’t want to bend over getting kids in car seats (as Andrea astutely pointed out!)
I totally agree with Zach with the incentives it makes no sense how they got it now just giving the one's that can afford a car a break smh and what about some better public transportation cause trust me If I could get around without driving I definitely would
Interesting when EV companies use up all their fed'l credits in the USA, like Tesla, their prices drop accordingly. I would suggest that they can sell EVs cheaper if they wanted to. We've been force fed the theory that EVs cost more but I would question that because they have fewer parts.
I just put a deposit down on an Ioniq 5. I have test driven both, and both are awesome. In the end though, the styling and open feel of the Ioniq won out for me. I was told it will be a 3-5 month wait until my reservation is fulfilled.
I like the ioniq 5 for the comfort and ROOM in the interior. Better visibility. It doesn’t have the huge center console that almost every vehicle has 👎
Love the way Ioniq 5 looks, specially from outside. From the outside, it reminds me of Yugo GV from the 80s, specially the square front and back lights. My family had that car back oversees when I was a kid and I remember many happy memories in it. I've put a deposit doown for one 😁
take the money given out for rebates to build and improve the recharging grid accross Canada. That is the only thing holding me back from FullEV vs. PHEV.
Fantastic review of the two hottest EV's right now. For me I prefer the exterior of the Ioniq 5 but love the more luxurious interior (cockpit) of the EV6. However as a Model Y owner with the full glass roof anything else just doesn't cut it so the Hyundai wins here. Also the Ioniq 5's reclining rear seat is an amazing feature not seen in any vehicles in this price range. Given the choice I'd choose the Hyundai. But at the end of the day, both are winners in my book and will sell like hotcakes just like Tesla's.
Great comparison. They both appear to offer (currently) the most interesting choices. Though not for me (price, electric and inconvenience)… I can appreciate them both. It’ll be interesting to see how they will be received by the public (and your commenters). But I know where my money will be spent… as Vanilla Ice once said… “ICE ICE Baby”. Thanks for the video.
EV6 hands down! It has an open sunroof. I don't understand the logic of having a big panoramic roof and can't open it...I dont want to just look at the sky..I want to feel the open air, as well...And, I also prefer the sleek car-like features of the EV6 and dedicated buttons for heated and ventilated seats.
@@Demobot1 I don't have any kids. So that's why my decision is partial to the EV6. Even if I did, I just get the new KIA Sportage Hybrid or PHEV, just to have an open panoramic roof.
@@jraheemjefcoat429 To be honest between the 2 I'd also pick the EV6. I like its look more. However I am keeping my eye on Fisker. A big glass roof that appears to open.
The lack of rear wiper is more of an issue with the Ioniq 5 than the EV6, as the increased window rake and duck-tail spoiler of the EV6 block a lot of the road grime that gets kicked up onto the Ioniq 5's back window. Both would still benefit from one, I'm not sure what the aero penalty would be.
Maybe as a retirement vehicle I would go with a EV6 but as something I could throw through the snow at 5am on a Monday morning, my electric choice would be a Rav4 phev. I would also like to see the green rebates require a model to have a less than $40,000 variant.
Correction.. there is no Lv3 but DC charger. But i guess it makes it easier to understand. I use Lv1 charger for my day to day. But will do DC whenever i need it
A rear wiper would be especially welcome in Calgary during the sloppy weeks we call Chinooks. A tawny grey slush covers everything and a rear wiper would be a great help.
I find it funny that no one complains about sedans with their increased slope not having rear windshied wipers, but on these cars - it's nearly the end of the world!!!!
@@4thdistrict476 Agreed but I'd still like to have one. I test drove an Ioniq 5 during a Chinook and it did spray up a lot of dirty slush that stuck to the rear window.
I agree that things as chair heating should be direct and simple. But those door handles I feel they are suitable and correct. Less possibility of damage when the car is parked somewhere. And better for aero dynamics. But I miss a little information about the wheels and range of the cars. I'm told that a version with the wide 20'' wheels will have 5% less range than the versions with a more narrow 19'' wheel set. What wheels did you're cars posess? In the end you ask why people get a government credit for buying EV's. I would answer....Until every fuel station also can fuel ev's (with enough 350KW chargers preventjng a queue) the infrastructure, build on costs of ALL citizins, is less good for EV's....And because the infrastructure is less it is logical to give some credits. In my country ICE cars (and Hybrids) have more taxes when buying....historical. EV's are without that tax. Alsoe road taxes are zero for the EV, not for ICE.. Could be explained because the charging infrastructure is not comparable yet with the petrol delivery infrastructure....not everyone can charge at home. Those "credit systems" (less taxes) should be stooped when in towns everywhere you can charge at level 2, on highways at every petrol station with 350KW fast chargers."But this is a chicken -egg issue. When nobody starts buying EV's we will not get investments in charging stations....and when there are no charging station nearly noone will buy an EV. This credits are used as compensation for the lack of infrastructure ...having to plan on beforehand where you can charge. In other words...this has nothing to do with the current pricing of an EV...the TCO is even without those credits lower than for an ICE (When driving enough miles a year) because very lo fuel costs and maintenance. (I do have EV driving experience since 2013...different cars...It saved me more than 55000 Euro's in those 8 years....I could buy from those savings a full opt ioniq 5 (project 45 version). This is the contrary to what nearly all people are complaining about: EV's are to expensive....they are not which is known to those who have learned to make proper costprice calculations .
Thanks for the review !!! The fast recharging time of 18 minutes from 10 to 80% only prevails when the battery is warm enough. In winter time, it is impossible to get the 239 kW power recharge. You get 100 kW at the most. This is because the IONIQ 5 and Kia EV6 don't have the «battery preconditioning» feature like Porsche or Tesla. But I've heard the upper trim of EV6 AWD would get this feature soon. Is that true ?
When listing multiple numerical statistics about these vehicles it would be helpful to have a visual graphic on the screen with the numbers. it would just be a lot easier to follow along with the voice over. I realize anyone can look up this information but if you're going to put it in your video it would be good to have the graphic there.
Great comparison guys, but I think you will need to display some of the numbers as you listed it out in the first few mins. Would help people be able to go back and refer to the numbers quickly
I've seen a lot of reviews say the dash gauges are hard to see in the EV6? Did you find that to be the case, seems like an important factor given only top two trims seem to have the Heads Up Display.
I believe it is possible to turn on and the seat heaters in the Ioniq 5 using voice commands. A button would be even better. I actually owned Plymouth Horizon in the mid 1980s. Worst car purchase of my life. The Ioniq 5 is vaguely similar shape but so different. I think the EV6 has classic sleek lines that boost the efficiency but the cabin space suffers.
Thank you for mentioning that big limitation of (like most EV manufacturers) of officially recommending against frequent DC fast charging. Tesla and Luciid do not have that limitation. I am now only going to purchase a Tesla Model Y after seeing your EV6/ Ioniq 5 video. Hope the other companies get better battery Tech soon. I like many choices.
I just checked General Motors ED products are the same. They recommend only limited use of fast charging so for me that’s a dealbreaker. I think the future for people that can’t charge at home or work is using a DC fast charger like a gas station for quick fill ups and they don’t want to be told by the limitation of their carthey can only use that in frequently
I have been a die hard subaru owner for decades..we have an ‘’11 outback and an ‘18 crosstrek. I do 185 km daily drive for work so we are now seriously considering getting an EV and these two vehicles are at the top of the list. I am leaning toward the Ionic 5 but after the Plymouth Horizon comparison….😲 the comparison is now forever burned into my mind and I can’t unsee it..thanks for that…😂. The ionic has more interior room and cargo space…big things on my list…but the EV6 has better range and nicer interior…and BUTTONS. It’s a tough decision. Thanks for doing a great comparison.
The Ionic 5 immediately reminded me of the 1986 Omni GLH Turbo I had 15 years ago. A force to recon with, GLH stood for Goes Like Hell. Carroll Shelby would have approved of the shape of the Ionic.
Just upgraded from Genesis Gv70 to Kia EV6 and love it. Much better service as my genesis died on the highway for fuel pump issue and was very dangerous and genesis was very hard to deal with.
I tried both IONIQ 5 and the EV6. I’m 6’6 and found the 5 seats to low, very uncomfortable, and the EV6 very comfortable, I find that strange. I have a ev6 on order.
Forget range anxiety, I have recharge anxiety! Multiple posts on the EV6 owners groups saying their charging times were much slower than anticipated (40-45kw) so even on a rapid charger you won't get the Tesla supercharger-like recharge times. That was a big selling point for me that seems to be overstated by Hyundai/Kia.
Will, not sure about owners groups but several journalists such as insideEVs report very high speed charging, issues may be related to the charge station itself
@@jamespaul2587 Could be but one person said the ID4 beside them was charging faster, and as far as I know Hyundai/Kia are supposed to charger faster than the VW
@@willoverkill8461 yes, I have heard that charging networks do not always work well with new models of vehicles. Sometimes one charger works better than the one right beside it, and there could also be software compatability issues that lowered the charge rate.
The battery has to be warm. One RU-vidr figured out that if you hammer on it for about 5 min before you charge in cold weather, they charge at about 180kw. Cold is cold though and they will never charge fast in -20c. Pre-conditioning will be implemented on future models. First year issues knows no bounds, every manufacturer has them.
People do not know much about ev charging practices! The faster you charge your battery, the shorter battery life is. And you shouldn't drain your battery below 20% and should only charge it one up to 80%.. so the range is even way less than what's advertised if you want to keep your battery healthy!. All this info is in your EV manual.
Too much focus on the seat or steering wheel warmers. Just use voice commands!!! On my Ionic 5 I simply say "Driver seat warmer 2" or "Passenger seat ventilation 3" or "Steering wheel warmer on" and they are set.
These cars BEV's also may spend up to 97% of the time not even being used. This is the average daily used time 3% or 45-60 mins when searched on Google.
DO these cars have the potential to suffer from the same battery problems as Some Tesla models. Where a single battery that fails causes the range to be dramatically reduced and any single battery feedback can render an entire battery pack damaged.
i like a bit better, but displays on both cars ate terrible and outdated , android auto covers only half screen and no wireless displays is not as clear as tesla or thers. its a shame since you will be looking at displays all the time
@@henryrooyakkers8510 yes, you can't have your cake and eat it too. 800v DC fast charging is literally feeding a baby with a shovel. Level 1 charging is best for battery longevity.
@@henryrooyakkers8510 wall box should be about 1200-1500w in most parts of the world. That will take a typical 80kw/h battery about 30hrs to charge from flat. However, if you are just doing a 50-100km commute every day, that's enough to keep you in the 50-80% charge zone for the week. Slow charge and no more than 80% will keep the battery going like new for 20+ years. Save the DC fast charging for when you really need it.
@@littleherms3285 wauw ! But if charged the battery with 11 kw/h is that safe for the battery ? Maybe it's the same story for the mobile phone battery ?
Zack, Please stop with the spreadsheet analogy for EVs. You own Cayennes. Which do I buy: the 335 hp,435hp, 531hp , 600+ horsepower, the hybrid? Which level of trim comes with each? Is it better to go with a lower power but more packages? Or if I up level will I get more for less? So many cars/ trucks come in a variety of choice. It’s why Andrea’s pick is great.
Great review, could you guys delve into the Direct Ownership costs of an Electric vs a Fossil car for a five to eight year ownership period. Would be really interesting. Even more interesting as the Lightning truck comes out for commercial users. And yes, we realize that an Electric car often still runs on Fossils depending on the grid being used. Zack is probably right about the rebates as electric is becoming the economical and frugal choice.
Note that you have a number of variables, some of which are not known. The main ones : these new EVs may have unexpected high repair costs due to defects. See the Chevy Bolt. (though that cost is being paid by GM). Mainstream Toyota ICE/hybrids are less likely to have these costs. These are new cars, which means depreciation. Electricity is cheap and gas may be about to reach price levels never seen before and stay high for years, so this may sway things considerably. Vehicle shortage means every vehicle that is 'new to you' is very expensive. Anyways TLDR the answer is probably the same : if you own an ICE car already and it's fuel efficient, sticking with it is probably your cheapest option.
@@GeraldMMonroe My Forester ICE blew 2 head gaskets at 175,000km. Motor pulled, gaskets installed, reinstalled, and a bill for around $3,000. Catalytic converter, mass air sensor, and muffler shortly after. Not to mention oil changes every 7-8k. This adds up fast and many owners don't keep track of it.
"Why do car companies have to make EV's futuristic?" This RIGHT HERE! That's exactly the problem. They keep trying to fix non-problems. What they should do is start hiring actual modern software designers to update their dated infotainment software. Tesla may be wrong about the elimination of buttons, but they're right about better software interfaces and design.
14:35 Agreed, the door handles are like gimmicks. One more thing to break also. What if you want to leave the handles unlocked without it being obvious to everyone? Well, you can't do that because the handles stick out like they're saying "open me" to the world. It seems they were trying to one up Tesla's door handles.
This is the comparison I needed. Question, which of the ev family optons is best for use on a piece of land, ie driving on grass and dirt roads, maybe through some bushes? I'm really asking which has the best clearance height and is most capable?
Great show you guys. Thank you for doing this. I have a question... Do I know if they will make the ionic 5 with an actual sunroof that opens? Thank you
Like the room in the Ionic 5. The Ev6 is nice but not sure how that material would wear over time. Here, the dealers are charging a premium over sticker price. So be prepared.
Both are cool but I’m not huge on full EVs just yet, I definitely prefer a gas hybrid like the Honda Insight, but am hoping it gets redesigned to follow suit with the newest Gen Civic
While I completely agree with Zack's comments re. subsidizing BEVs, the sad truth is that in North America, the concept of individual freedom, including mode of transportation, holds strong sway. Other than a few high density core areas of big cities in North America, good, practical urban public transit is uncommon if not rare. Inter-city mass transit? Pfft - the big cities are too far from each other. One reason why I love travelling in Europe, and probably why Europe will be far ahead of NA in adopting BEVs and have affordable BEVs way before we will.
@@Motormouth... Yes, their geography favours the lower range, and their economy has long favoured acceptance of smaller cars. As their oil supply reduces in the near future, it'll be interesting to see what shifts in their auto market.
