Hyundai Ioniq 6 RWD 1000 km challenge 

Hello Björn, you are absolutely right, the battery preconditioning is poorly programmed by Hyundai/Kia. I have now preconditioned my EV6 over 130 times and it took some time before it worked reliably, for this reason: In addition to the known conditions communicated by Hyundai / Kia, the car must meet one requirement: It must recognize the desired charging station as a charging station and not "just" as an address. What sounds logical and simple has some pitfalls in practice. The best solution in advance is to let the navigation system do the route planning, including charging stops, as you did in the video at the end. Since this option currently only works in the IONIQ 6 with the new software or in the IONIQ 5 / Kia EV6 only in maintenance mode, my tip for cars without route navigation with automatic charging planning: 1. In the filter for the POI charging stations, set "all operators" and the "charging stations" DC and HPC. (Only if the charging station would be selected by the vehicle through this filter does it recognize manually or previously saved charging stations as such and not as an address. If you change the filter settings and exclude e.g. IONITY as the operator, it is no longer preconditioned when you use an IONITY - HPCs!) 2. Select the charging station you want as the destination in the car navigation system. You can do this as you did using the map and zoom in to 400m on the map or simply enter the address. 2a. Now use the menu item at the bottom left in the navigation view to select the item „Surrounding information“ and then POI category. In this category you then select charging stations. Now you will be shown up to 30 charging stations, but you only want to see the ones at the destination, select this filter on the left for destination. The filter selection now shows you the 30 charging stations that are near your destination, i.e. the charging station. Ideally, you will find the previously selected charging station there, select it again. If you cannot find the selected charging station because Hyundai / Kia does not have it in the system or the car system or the charging station is currently offline, then select the nearest station that is just before the desired station so that the battery is preconditioned in time. Important. In the best case, the POI icon of the charging station should be green, which means that the charging station is free and has been 100% recognized. If you click on the small „i“ in the circle next to the operator name, e.g. IONITY, you will see the HPCs status report. The charging station can be free, occupied (also partially) or unknown. If the status is unknown, I would always check whether the preconditioning starts, it usually does so because the status is usually updated with the driving time. 2 B. Now set the charging station again as a target, e.g. from the „i“ submenu, and the preconditioning will start. As a small rule of thumb, the coldest cell is warmed up by 1 degree every 3 minutes. So if the coldest cell is 10 degrees, it takes 33 minutes to heat the battery to the maximum auto-shutoff value of 21 degrees. With the help of this rule you can estimate when the preconditioning should start. If it does not, select a new charging station which is free and nearby your target. A few more tips from the bag of tricks: 1. You only get the optimal charging speed in winter, i.e. also the 18 minutes from 10%-80% with preconditioning, if you really run the battery down to 10% SOC or less. Because the battery is only preheated to 21 degrees and the optimal charging power is only available from 25 degrees, you need the low start so that the battery can build up heat early enough. If you only start with 20% or more percent, this no longer works, although the peak charging power of 242kW is sometimes kept at optimal temperatures up to 60% SOC. 2. If you drive long distances in Germany, you can keep the temperature in the battery at 25 degrees or higher at an average speed of 165 km/h on the Autobahn and thus prevent it from cooling down. 3. When charging, switch off the air conditioning / heating and only switch on the seat heating, otherwise the battery will receive too little heating output or no heating output and will not be adequately cooled in summer. 4. Especially when there is snow, you should check whether the cooling flaps in the front can be moved. To prevent the battery from overheating for too long, the car opens the ventilation flaps when the cell temperature exceeds 45 degrees and cools the battery down. I have compiled all the information and the detailed conditions that must be met for the preconditioning in a German video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q1JFrS_mfQQ.html under the video in the description box the information is again in text form, so that you can can copy this and have it translated into their own language. I hope the information will help you and others. Best regards Dirk

Every car needs a "preheat now" button. Legacy car manufacturers are not great at keeping their maps up to date and preheating for fast charging makes such a massive difference.

My AWD JUST charged at 17 deg C in 20 minutes without battery preheating, 10 to 80 %. Highway range is 285 to 295 miles at 100kph. Been watching you Bjorn since you first started and really appreciate your work. I haven’t noticed any movement in the steering wheel while in auto steer. The Ioniq 6 is better than I expected so far.

Bjørn, I appreciate the "map and stats" for each leg of the journey. Just like the original Nimber Task road trip days in MF. It would be great to have for your family road trips as well.

You are 100% correct. The battery preheating should last to at least 10% SOC or even 5%. But that should just be a simple software over the air tweak. Hopefully they are watching.

I love watching EV road trips in Scandinavia. The charging infra is to die for. Here in the U.S. we are told kempower is coming to save the day. Right now, going on an EV road trip in a non-Tesla is kinda like BASE jumping and not knowing if the physics will work out or if you will go kersplat.

You also need to select the HPC via the POI category in the Nav to ensure it pre-heats as you want.

'I don't wanna see any left lane huggers (tm)' 3 minutes in and 2 overtakings on the right side, which is the wrong side 😂. Naughty Björn 😎

Lol, start of video Bjørn says "I dont want to see any leftlane huggers!" Cuts to 2 in the left lane alone haha :p funny

I love the Ioniq 6. Great test as always. About 4weeks ago, i recommended u at the Auto section in Bangkok Post. I hope u got some more followers from here, probably more Farang who life here. Take care.

So let's hope that Hyundai actualy is working on an update, and make it as great as it could be...many thanks for the great test and contribution

Will be interesting to see how efficient it will be in summer and on summer tires

I love these videos. I'm about to pickup an I6 going into winter here and now I know to be extra sure to get the destination properly set to I can have a decent rate.

The countdown to 999 never fails to crack me up😂

There are no pressure sensors in the steering wheel. Moving the steering wheel will prompt the driver to counteract and the car will acknowledge the driver is awake. I own a Kia EV 6 and this is the normal expected behaviour, the movement of the steering wheel is minimal and does not change the car trajectory

The consumption was higher, than I expected. With this shape it could be better.

Trick the car by inputting an earlier charger so it starts pre heat sooner. You will then have to re-select the charger you really want when your nearby the original input charger. I can do this by setting a close by unit while still parked in my driveway. Seems to take ages to preheat to optimal temperatures. You still have to be aware of the cut off of preheat at 17%-20% SoC.

I dnt even own an ev but everytime i watch these roadtrips i want to go on one

Bossed it again mate. Your videos are by far the best. 👊

Love your videos Bjørn!

Yeah they need a preheat button. Hopefully with another update. It took them a year just to get into 22 year cars.

Strange behavior that for some reason doesn't match my EV6's routine. Wondering if that's a nav issue cause whenever I choose an HPC as a waypoint for my route through the nav it preconditions just fine. Agree that the pre-heating threshold should be lower cause 17% is silly high to cut it off

I do Hope Hyundai listens to what you had to say about preheating & navigation software (actually the whole system software needs an overhaul).

Since the average temperature in Europe is between 7-11°C, this mild "winter range" is definitely relevant. Hyundai needs proper pre-heating, otherwise the theoretically high charging capacity isn't of much use.

You can show the distance to your destinantion in the main instrument cluster but then of cause you would not see distance travelled, average consumption and time.

My Tesla Model 3 Longe Range 2021 drops the heat quiet aggresively after fast-charging. from 59 degrees to around 40 degrees in 20 minutes, and my initial consumption is quiet high after fast charging compared to 11 kW charging.

Automatically adding charging stops seems cool! Currently own an Ioniq 5 i bought in 2021, wonder if it gets the same feature. Anyone know?

If you have final destination at charging station it thinks cold gating is fine. It needs to be added waypoint en route

It should take into account the distance to the charger to understand if it allows the pre-heating to carry on or not like you mentioned. Tesla also needs a pre-heating button since it doesn't recognize others chargers on the route planner

Ariya has manual pre-heat

Great product placement.

Hi Bjørn, what song @ 15:30? Could not find it in your playlist :)

If you have time, could you redo the test in summer please?

Like in the EV6, the Navigation is a FCKN nightmare 🙀! They have to update this ASAP!!! Atm I plan a route, before I start and then I send the charging stations via app to the car. Why isn't there are "pre-heat-button" 😢😮???

Bjørn, next time plan for 10% on arrival, ignore the pre-heat threshold, because the battery won't cool off from 20% down to 10%. That's my experience with the EV6.

The battery conditioning is a mess for sure. Why would you actively cool the battery if the outside is 10° and the car not going to charge anytime soon? It could just have let the battery cool down passively, then it probably would not have to heat it up again for the next stop. with better thermal management it probably could be below 200Wh/km and charge faster as well

Your videos are always really informative, well done 👏

I really liked my Kona electric but I‘m really not missing those beeps and bunch of other noises it was always doin. Ioniq 6 Navigation still looks like in the Kona and that looks like trash since 2019.

resume to music mute does not work. you have to manually set to zero volume. its a korean thing...

Great work. Software is a disappointment but it's still a very good time

They need to optimise preheat/charging/BMS

Bjorn I went through your playlist but couldn't find the track you used on this video, any chance you could post the artist man? Keep up the good reviews and good luck with the new house!

Passing a left lane hugger on the right is not overtaking, unless you change lanes to do it.

13:34 both my kona ev and my mom's i30 do that too

There has to be manual option to preheat battery😢 But I’m impressed that it is much faster than Ioniq 5

Making preheating right is so hard for legacy automakers

I have the First edition and it's fantastic to drive it but please please Hyundai get ride of al the ding dongs in the care! The care starts biping every time you get in and if you exceed the speed limit even by 1 km it will bit 5 times and it's extremely annoying

The car knows how far to the destination, how much consumption the battery heater uses and the optimum battery charging temperature so why the hard coded heater cut off. This is not hard to fix but will Hyundai engineers make the improvement? Don't hold out much hope given update experience with the 38 Ioniq.

@bjornyland when are you starting up the SDT(Sunday Driving Test)/only fans run?

I don't understand why Hyundai/Kia cannot crack the battery pre-heating issue, they have cold winters in Korea. A manual battery pre-heat would also be a good upgrade

Nice score for Hyundai, on par with the best in the industry. 10-15 minutes delay on such a trip could well be caused by random variables and not relevant in real life. The choice between a model 3 and this would mostly be based on preference, personally I think the ioniq 6 is the more interesting car (and I am getting a little bit Tesla tired).

It’s insane how far behind this infotainmentsystem is to for example Tesla and Google Automotive (Polestar etc)

Why is a 'start preheating' button not standard on every EV? Are they scared that people do not take the energy/range consumption preheating takes into account? Or they they still want to push people into using the car's infotainment instead of android/CarPlay? The latter seems true since the ioniq 6 does not support wireless CarPlay (whilst the hardware is capable).

I was wondering how it stacks up to M3 LR for efficiency. The cd is promising but I think the Tesla has lower frontal area and lower to ground so cda might still be same? If you compare MS to M3 the cda of S is actually slightly better than model 3. So…hyundai really had to go for lowest cd they could. Hmm…

That map UI is a big nope for me. I'll stick to car play

Although I appreciate the work you do, these tests are held in such variety of conditions, that it renders the results moot. I mean, comparing EV ranges when weather is 20C+ to ones that are in the single digits is a bit meaningless, especially given air density becomes higher with lower temps, and that also affects efficiency. And, how about the winds? How windy was it that day?

Nice!

Really, do they give you Money If you take the Multimedia? Awesome engineering. You really See that the devolopment was finished 3 years ago.

The music on start is also a Chevy Bolt thing. It drives me crazy.

I drove a Ioniq PHEV for the last 4 years. And I eyeballed this car for awhile. But actually my experience the last 4 years haven't been that good with Hyundai. The car broke down several times in components that don't even move. The lane camera's, the acc sensor, the alarm system suddenly went crazy one night, the 12v battery died on me 2 times on 2 different wintersport locations with a checkup in between (the battery was OK :D). For me no more Hyundai anytime soon :D

How about commeting on how the automatic high beem works on the ioniq 6 versus the Telsla or the automatic windsheel wipers versus the tesla which is crap. These are things I think normal people would care about.

Why is there such a difference between the advertised charge speed and the actual? Best regards Martin

7:42, it's a fish! Maybe that is why it is so e-fish-ient! 🙂

You should say "999,1 999,2..." because you are accounting for the error in distance so you are actually going from 999km to 1000km. 1 or 1,5% distance error wont matter during the last kilometer because the error would be 10 to 15m.

It's not really undertaking if you aren't changing lanes.

Do we have a new fossil reference test vehicle and time? I thought the fossil was a different PHEV and took 9:00, same as battery swap Nio.

This would be awsome with a v8 diesel🤩🤩

How in the name of God you set up Soc BMS & remaning energy in wh on CarScanner!!? I keep searching on sensor settings but i can't find, help pls ! Nice video like always, can't wait for 1000 km with Bz4x after "major" update😊

1:21 That's what she said!

The Software is really ancient.

Why did you disable speed sign recognition? (orange --- sign) Super annoying speed warning bings that can't be disabled?

There is no win like tailwin

That navigation system looks like it came from the eighties.

1:09 I forfot the Stormberg bottle😂

Agree on the steering being ”edgy” on HDA. Ioniq 5 is the same. I hope Hyundai improves that at some point.

Finally !

Haha I was on the live stream chat

ABS this time 😊

9:50 when you drive car that has proper 220v outlet in the cabin, i think you should eat stuff that makes use of it. So you could rub it in to teslas that lack such basic thing in an electric car :) #shametesla

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Recently I saw a test for the new mazda cx60 diesel with rear wheel drive. This car only used 2,5 l/100 km when driven carefully. With its 58 litre tank, it could drive 2200 km. It would offcorse use more when driven at speeds over 110 km/h. However, it would easily drive 1000 km on a single tank. Just stunning! Ev's are still far behind the diesel alternatives when it comes to the long distance drive.

Tesla can be preheated at any time by using the SEXY buttons... It's not an OEM solution, but it works..

Fussy software! The developers have a particular usage in mind and if the car isn’t operated in exactly that way it will misbehave in some random way. But software should always be trying to make the system work for the user. Great hardware hobbled by immature software.

The stormberg bottle AD is kinda cringy 😂

A lot of compromise to get this "performance". AWD time will be what is of interest to me as the RWD variants are super gutless. I don't see the point in having an EV if it isn't nice and zippy.

Bjørn, did you already test a Porsche Taycan?

E-fish-ent :-)

Salamander :)

High time to redo the Model 3 LR with a new one, maybe when the highlander comes... I bet it will be faster than the old one,

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Ok, but does 10-15 minutes even matter on a 1000km trip?

Not so efficient but good enough

So another great example of great product, ruined by software?

Why do ID software gets so much hate when there is software like this. UI looks so ugly…

The terrible software in mine kona is the reason I won’t buy a hyundai or kia as next car. Nothing improved on the new models

its incredible than my sr+ with 60kwh lfp drives 320km at german autobahn. 16-18 kwh/100km. dont understand me wrong. i dont like my sr+ at all, but there is still no competitor at the markt.

this UI and navigation system seems soo ugly and laggy to me... who is going to really use it?

I was looking forward to the Ionic 6 review...some positives but made me realize Tesla 3 LR is for me

19:34 : your example with "not uncommon " vs "common" is a bad example, as it not a boolean... If uncommon is less than 10%, and common is above 90%, then "common" and "not uncommon" are different values. So, as a programmer I disagree with your example ... But I agree that double negative is bad is usability and accessibility..

Hyundai, Kia, Genesis. Their mindset is to make money on the products they sell. So they sell it as it. And not to improve it with software updates or something. So do not expect too much from them.