I've seen this happen, el cheapo sparkplugs can burn through pistons quite fast. Often times the pistons crack before a hole is completely throughthe piston crown.
I was going to ask why a 2019 Hyundai wouldn't still be under the 10yr/100k warranty - then I saw 112,000 miles. Someone sure drives the wheels off that thing.
in the UK we get a 5 year unlimited mile warranty, and KIA do 7 year unlimited warranty. 10-12k miles a year national average. I've got a 2019 1.6 GDI Turbo Tucson. Great car at only 48k on the clock.
In the UK the annual average mileage is less than 7 thousand so that thing has been thrashed. I would guess, here, lease companies would fully depreciate the car value over 3 years if you asked for a 30K annual mile contract. i.e. zero value residual at four years.
those motors have a recall on them, im a Hyundai tech and the way to get a free motor is to send the car to the dealer and let them perform a "bearing clearance test", basically its a tool the applies pressure and then vacuum to each cylinder to test the amount of play in them, if it fails the test, you get a free motor
That's cool. How does it measure the play? Some type of micrometer through the spark plug hole? Or I guess you could apply vacuum, then measure, then pressure, then measure. Maybe the piston wouldn't move when the pressure/vacuum was taken away?
Customer says, "Well gee Wes can't you just weld the hole in the piston? It's not like you can make it any worse." I did that to a brand-new steel belted radial tire that I had put on my truck. Parked too close to a storm drain and the corner of the casting of the storm drain was as sharp as a knife. Man, I let some bad words lose that night. Great video thumbs up.
If this was part of the KIA engine recall and they also had the ECU firmware update and or the new logic program for using the spark knock detection (plus another recall which required a new harness for the knock detector circuit) to detect other signs of engine damage, then their engine warranty has been extended, and possibly for more miles than this has on it.
It has been driven as a 3 cylinder for a bit, just disconnect the injector and coil and drive it or send it to PK mechanics who would remove the head and weld the hole in the piston.
@@BitterCynicalAbsolutely! My dad's Fiat 128 had a welded piston after the timing belt snapped, bent the valves and one of them subsequently dropped, making a huge hole on the piston. He had the guy that was fixing the head patch the piston up too, put everything back together with new valves and rings and boy oh boy, that engine ran like a DREAM. Lasted us two more years before we sold it, never skipping a beat and powerful as always (had some unknown mod that made it scary quick). Saw it at a parking lot many years later running like nothing ever happened.
@@enzoperruccio Well damn. I thought for sure there'd be problems, like if it didn't break again right away then it'd be too heavy or light and cause vibrations, or that cylinder would burn more rich or lean or something.
@@BitterCynical Nope, as long as it's done right like in our case it's probably just as good if not stronger than a new piston, had no noticeable vibrations either. That was on a 4-banger though, I'd love to see it done on a modern 3 cylinder.
Back in 2016 we were very interested in a new Geneis. The great warranty was a contributing factor. In the end, we decided to get a loaded up Toyota Highlander Limited. I have not regretted the decision.
A long time ago, my first car was a VW Squareback. I bought it without a motor and put in a used 1850cc dual port, dual carb motor with a couple of Webers on it. One of the carbs was NFG and leaned out on a hill at open throttle and burned holes in both pistons on that side. Lots of smoke. LOTS OF SMOKE, and the motor is inside the car with you in a Squareback. And, I was in the left lane of the 405 on my way to San Diego and completely blinded by the smoke inside of the car. I crossed my fingers and trusted that the other cars would notice the smoke and give me room as I pulled over onto the right shoulder. I didn't hit anybody and got stopped. I lucked out at a VW swap meet at the Orange County Fairgrounds and found a NOS dual carb Solex setup and swapped the Webers for a couple of wheels. So, in my experience, burning a hole in a piston does result in smoke. Thick, white smoke.
Spark plug was probably sparking to the piston crown causing localised repeated detonation. I would do a pressure check on the other cylinders and if within spec I would take the head off and check the cylinder walls. If not scored leave the block in the car, check main and big end bearings, hone the ‘bad’ cylinder, replace the piston, change the plugs and fluids and see how she runs. A bit of a risk and a fair amount of work but much cheaper than an unknown used engine from a breakers yard.
It sounds almost incredible for it to do that, but this engine presumably has a CR over 11:1, so the piston crown does get pretty close to the spark plug...
Definitely worth it to put the video up. Good for all of us to see that kind of internal damage. Especially anyone that may have been considering buying a Hyundai.
@@johnclamshellsp1969 all modern gas engines are GDI. Impossible to get proper fuel economy and fulfil environmental regulations otherwise. It's not GDI that makes them junk, though, it's the cutting corners and trying to do crucial components as cheaply as possible with no concern for reliability
You did good recording it Wes, I for one enjoy videos where you find the problem in short order and show us a hole in a piston. I work on locomotives and very seldom find a hole in a piston unless it’s obvious from a damaged valve train issue. I usually find bad turbos or a cracked cylinder jacket leaking water and compression into the crankcase and sometimes oil into the cooling system. Thanks for posting your work on YT, it makes a bunch of us happy to see different things that can go wrong.
Honestly if that was my car and I didn't get a happy ending as you say I'd probably buy a piston and just replace it and send it. Not much left to lose.
The motoring public buys vehicles based on what they look like, never doing anything research beforehand on these lemons, until after the engine quits. Throw away cars. Buy a toyota.
For the life of me, I will never understand why these home garages don't use corrugated plastic pipe to vent exhaust out of the garage. You can even close the garage door by cutting a port big enough to accommodate the plastic exhaust line and have a swivel cover that drops into place when the port is not being used. Easy, cheap effective, safe and quick.
A deep mystery to me. It worked so well and so cheaply for so many years but now we see so many u-tube repair shops with no pipes or hoses. @@Martin.Wilson
A lot of garages do use them, but there are certain types of americans who refuse to believe that smoke damages health. no slight against Wes, its a cultural thing, its why people delete the emissions systems off their own diesel trucks, they don't get that they're literally poisoning themselves. the problem should self-correct, given time.
people at work thought i was crazy to put a new engine in a 6-year-old Subaru worth 8000 or more it was only 3000 for a low milage engine and is still running well about 4 years later.
I don't think about what the car is worth when deciding whether to repair something. The real comparison is what a new monthly car payment is. A $2000 repair only has to make it 4 months before you're back in the black. But a $500 monthly car payment is the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years.
garage stripped the oil drain plug and it worked loose I could not prove it or anything. my wife and daughter just kept driving it with check engine light on and such till it stopped running. so, I had to buy a used engine out of my own pocket.@@daveclark8337
Hey Wes, i would recommend asking the dealer. Sometimes a QQH or FFF engine may be available if they have a recall associated with them, and they may be generally cheaper, if they are available. EDIT: QQH/FFF is a part change for a "better" that can sometimes be less money wise
@kabic7893 Glad you were able to get it done!👍 I've done hundreds with Kia so far, but when i was working for Hyundai, over 5 years did roughly 1000-1100 engines, ableit in the 1.8L MPi elantras for the cylinder scuffing issue. With Kia i see a lot more of the theta series, as they adopted that engine in more vehicles.
Bought a new 2006 Kia Sedona. Whe I retired from trucking I started a vending business so I bought another new 2014 Kia Sedona. After two years using the 2006 Sedona, I sold the business and the 2006 with 230,000 miles on it. The 2014 Sedona is over 200,000. They have the 6cylindet Kia motor and both vehicles are going strong. The guy that bought the 2006 drives school bus and he goes by my house everyday. (bus garage is a block away and it was 4 years ago when I sold it.) So I have had great experience with Kia's. Aside from tires, oil changes, air filters and brakes, usual maintenance stuff they've been good vehicles.
I think the biggest thing to be careful with these engines is get the valves cleaned since it's a GDI and change the oil and sparkplugs more frequently than you normally would. I've changed my oil every 3k regardless of it being full synthetic and it's been good so far.
I remember the old days when you just went to the junkyard, picked up a long block for $300 and they even gave a 30 day warranty on it, which doesn't sound like much but those old v-8s (60s to early 80s) would let you know in a day or 2 if it was a runner or not. The real nice thing is any small or big block of the same manufacturer could be swapped out with any cubic inch engine, ie: 305 to 350 or 302 to 351etc you didnt have all these one off style motors. Oh well, times are a changing.🤔
Why let people be able to do their own replacements when you can _force_ them to go to you for only one engine option? NOTE: I fucking hate that line of thought, I'd rather be able to get my own engine swapped for a different one, say I want to go down in power (for more fuel efficiency, not everything needs to have 1 million HP, even if it sounds cool), you could swap a V8 for a smaller I6.
You can't do that with KIA/ Hyundai. There's so many other people in the same boat with blown motors, so the demand and the price of the motors is Crazy high.
@@daveclark8337 your spot on, I've seen some junkyard modern engine prices and they are priced higher than an 80s used truck or car. In the mid 80s you could go to the chev dealer and buy a brand new target master 350 4bolt main for $999 and that was a complete long block. But I'm an old fart living in the past and seeing new trucks priced higher than what I paid for my house just amazes me. Times have changed. 🤔
Hyundais used to be so much more solid than they are. As you said, around 2013 they started having serious engineering and QC problems with powerplants, usually around turbo oil consumption. It's a shame bc my daily driver is a 2008 Elantra that I bought new, love driving, and will be driving until the wheels fall off.
There was a 6 year period where Hyundai addressed their image as a maker of junk. Once they revamped their image they let train run off the rails again. I think this is a company strategy as they worked on quality improvements when they took over Kia. We had a 2009 Tucson that was awesome.
My daily driver is a 2000 Elantra wagon. 2.0, manual, aftermarket Pioneer stereo. The thing soldiers on and on. Put a new rear sub-assembly in it. It's (over)due for its' second timing belt. Just wants to keep going, so I oblige. But, yeah, the more modern ones (and Kia's too) have become nightmares waiting to happen.
Well they revamped their lineup and gaslit a ton of people into believing they’re better cars than the likes of anything else.. throw a bunch of fancy “features” a car in its price point shouldn’t ever have to begin with, it’s no wonder they fall apart. Can’t wrap my head around why people continue to buy these things.. then all I can do is shake my head when I see the dinguses driving the much more expensive “genesis” vehicles lol.
That spark plug broke and looks like that piece got in between the piston and cylinder wall - causing the fail! Wow. Glad you shared, I enjoy each and every one of your videos!
I think it is good that you posted this video. It shows the wildler side of what might be found turning wrenches. Thanks for your Videos, I enjoy each episode.
Wes, I'm sorry. My mind must be in the gutter but when you're talking about a Korean made car and you used the term ..."no happy ending"... Well, suffice to say, my coffee rinsed my sinuses. You're the best, man!
Love your presentations. Don't understand anything about what you are talking about but just love the way you do it. Giving a shout out to your able assistant. You make a wonderful pair. Can't leave out the "kiddo" and Max. Warm feelings to all.
Nice to see Hyundai is still making BIC cars after 40 years 😂 (got that name here in Australia because they were dirt cheap and disposable), glad I never the i30 SR I was looking at now (same engine).
it's not just the pistons side, though. Since there's a hole in the piston and shrapnel in the cylinder, there's likely metal bits that have gone through every part of the engine and exhaust. You have to take the whole thing apart and check for damage, and will likely find more to replace along the way. And with this crap engine, just taking it apart will break more stuff, because everything attached to the block is made from flimsy plastic and tinfoil. It's way more work and hassle than a modern Hyundai is worth. Maybe if it was a classic car with a proper engine it'd be justifiable, but for this junk, hell no
My neighbor has a 2014 ram 5.7 "hemi", he just paid the local ram dealer $16,000 cdn to replace the bad lifters they came with from the factory, I seen the workorder, beware of ram pickups and dodge dealers,
Yikes, did that come with lube😆. Cam and lifter job, That is about $1500 US in parts all in. Book time is 16 hours for a 4wd. Did they put a brand new engine in it for $16k?
My son's 2012 Kia Optima just "went home" last month. That 2.4L is a dependable little bugger ... so dependable that the class action law suit will replace its existence so he can relive his nightmare again in 7 years.
What you could do is just finish drilling that hole in the piston (through the spark plug hole) --- then tap the hole.. and then screw a plug into it with several little slots around the edge of it; and then just stake all around the edges to hold it in place. If you could pull off a surgery like that without pulling the head-- that would be pretty incredible. :)
I just bought a cvt for a Nissan. Car-part range was 2-3k for a high mileage used one. Local dealer wanted $3600 for a reman. I found an Infinity dealer 150 miles away that would sell a reman for $2400. Bought it online with pickup option. They notified me 3 days later it was ready. Drove over and picked it up, dropping off the core at the same time. Yeah, 6 hours of drive time with $100 in gas. But it was worth it.
I worked at a oil change center for a brief period, any time we got a GDI for a change, we marveled at the fact these engines can run so long on only two quarts of oil, and the fact that the owner didn't seem to notice or care their vehicle had a Batman approved smoke screen. Although we never serviced vehicles which were smoking heavily or had engine noise for liability. One woman came in wanting a service on I think a 2016 Kia with some variant of the TDI, we refused to touch it because it wasn't knocking on heaven's door, it was hammering down the gates. She didn't make it out of the parking lot.
"Would you spend $7,000 on a $10,000 car?" I own a Suzuki Samurai, I've made much worse financial decisions. This car only has 112,000 miles on it. I have a friend with a most similar Hyundai, I think with the same engine. It has about 50k on it and they have to keep a case of oil in it because it uses so much. Great engineering, Hyundai. Did just what the beancounters wanted. So glad I don't own one.
This is actually the newer model engine, where you have a service port through the piston, too look at the crankshaft. How come you did not know of this? I thought you were a mechanic!
I have never seen a petrol engine do that. Sadly not entirely uncommon in the 2.2 Ford diesels in the transit or Ranger over here. I did a really quick and nasty repair on my mates Transit which did this - hole right through piston No. 4. Put a piston in it, a new set of injectors, belt and a clutch kit and amazingly its still knocking around 2 years and 50,000 miles later. Not something a mechanic could sell but my mate had no money and van prices have gone through the roof.
@@Me-zo8ycI was really nervous about selling him the repair because I wasn't sure if it would work, if the engine had more damage. They are fairly complicated to work on. The injectors in that engine are shocking. So many of them are banana'd in the scrap yard. Either cracked pistons, holes in the pistons, jumped timing. Etc
I have to agree with you on this one. It’s definitely not worth it to spend seven grand on a $10,000 car. It would be one thing if it was a classic that was being restored, but this is not a classic. In fact it’s one of the biggest piles of garbage I’ve ever heard of.
Or a nice truck. Putting a 10k motor into a 10k truck is a good idea considering you will pay 20k for the same truck with 100k on it. These bic lighter hamster cars are hardly worth the tires after 80k.
Thanks for putting this video up. Seems like a lot of bad stuff with GDI engines. The wife has a 2005 Hyundai still going today. I thought Hyundai was going to be another Toyota quality car maker many years ago. Guess not.
Styling is subjective and I think Hyundai, Kia + Genisis designs these days are first rate. Which is completely useless if they make the things out of Tofu.
Good to see your video Wes, You gotta take what rolls into the shop - we understand. That's part of your channels draw; what's coming in the door next. And it wouldn't be December without at least one "crusty of plow truck" making an appearance 😉
Had a Corvair engine/transmission rear transaxle mounted to a VW bug pan with an old school fiberglass buggy 140 spider motor on a turbo! Was on freeway doing 145mph when burned hole in a piston! Smoked just like that ! Was easy fix replaced the one jug and was back on the road
I think he has his standard workplace in the back and all the tools around that. Tube: Possible, but it needs to have some suction, If you just stick a long tube on your exhaust, the motor will run differently because the amount of air, or in this case fog, that needs to be moveds would be much higher.
In Canada Hyundai and Kia do not honour warranty on engines unless you can prove that you followed the severe duty servicing to the letter and even then they will do their best to not pay…. They consider anywhere in Canada a severe duty environment due to our “extreme cold”…. Oddly enough stealerships don’t tell customers this even after the vehicle has rolled off the lot….
Wife bought a 2018 Kia Sorento from a Ford dealership 2 years ago with their "best warranty." We noticed very quickly that it was burning a large amount of oil and it was smoking very bad. Back and forth with the dealership, they kept misdiagnosing it. Finally they told us to take it to the Kia dealership down the road. Kia informed us of a recall on that specific engine block and it required a new engine and wouldn't cover the bill. We waited almost 7 months for the work to get done. Turns out Ford was aware of the issue with the car and the warranty they sold us wouldn't cover it. I wasn't about to drop almost 10k on a vehicle I literally just bought. We contacted the district attorneys office and they put Ford on notice. 2 days later we get a call from Kia saying we could come get the car and Ford paid for it out of pocket. So yeah, Hyundai engines seem questionable at best...
Excellent video Wes :) also thought motor was gaskets problem or timing was advanced or water pump propeller stop or worn out ! But that sure wild what should for a vechile that need engine that soon in low age plus mileage too wow to me!
Hyundai and Kia have warranties that are good for 10 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first. Sadly, that may simply be the life expectancy of these vehicles.
Just because there is a warranty doesn’t mean they will honor it. If you don’t have all your oil change receipts you can be rejected. A car fax oil change documentation doesn’t count either.
GDI injector was stuck shut and it caused that cylinder run real lean The hot oxygen ate away the metal on the spark plug and torched the cylinder head.
Nope GDI stuck open. Drilled a hole thru the piston. When Wes was looking at the fuel pressure. You can see the massive high press on the fuel rail. If the plug is not firing. Then the fuel injector is drilling a hole.
Hey Wes thanks for posting. In Australia the Hyundais and Kias share motors across brands and numerous models and that motor is quite common. Same motor is in my son’s Kia Cerato. just a thought!
