Insurance would write a salvage title long before anyone pays 60,000$. That's insane. None of these companies want to fix anything or be environmentally friendly
they were never suposed to, solar panels used in public transportation would be a solution, electric vehicles is the solution in a world created for cars that can't suddenly change without destroying all the industries that were created to supply cars@@LizardVideoDude
EV's are not about the environment, they are about CO2. You know what's worse then stuff that's always been in the air we breath with more of it then we want? Toxic metals, pollution caused by refining those toxic metals, etc.
I own and manage an independent hybrid, electric vehicle repair shop in Honolulu. I can tell you that basically everything Louis said here is correct. I see firsthand the amount of waste, hazardous waste, that is produced from this so-called green industry. The dealerships do not want to fix your car, and they especially don’t want to fix your hybrid electric car, because the manufacturers have not made it a priority to ensure that technicians are properly trained, and have access to good information. When you bring your car to them for a repair, they try to give you the highest estimate possible and then say, well your car is worth $6000 and you have $7000 worth of repairs, but will help you out and give you a good deal on a trade-in. Like Louis said, it would look bad for them to admit that they don’t want to or can’t fix your fancy new hybrid electric vehicle so they will use these tactics. I once had a customer bring me a 2016 Fiat 500 E and this was in 2020 so the car was only four years old. They were telling her to scrap it or they would give her a deal for a trade-in. I popped the hood and within five minutes , I discovered the problem, a squirrel had chewed through two wires that went to a refrigerant pressure sensor that went to the battery pack thermal management system. I fixed the wires and the car worked fine. I have many many more stories like that that car was going to get scrapped over two little wires, I also work with the scrap yards and end of life management of hybrid, electric vehicle components like the batteries. So I know how much energy is required to safely dismantle that vehicle, and the battery pack when electric vehicle proponents make comparisons between the carbon footprint of traditional ice vehicles versus electric, they never include any of this information. Electric vehicles, take significantly more energy and resources to manufacture, and they must be for a certain amount of time before they reach a break even point. When they go beyond that you could say that compared to A ice vehicle that they are carbon negative. The thing that’s misleading about that though is that no electric vehicle is carbon negative, it’s only relative to an ice vehicle that you can make that statement by saying we would’ve burned this much gas, and since we haven’t, we could say that we’ve prevented that much carbon from going into the atmosphere, thus it’s carbon negative. The only thing that is truly carbon negative are plants or machines that suck carbon from the air, except those machines must be getting their electricity from a carbon negative source in order for that to be true And they also have a payback. To repay all of their carbon to manufacture those machines while I’m on this long rant, I might as well mention that it takes 40 years for a tree to sequester 1 ton of carbon so all that talk about carbon offsets by planting Mono crop trees is complete bullshit. I used to have a shop in the Detroit area and had friends that worked for the big three auto makers. The amount of waste that’s generated from the research development and manufacturing of these new hybrid electric cars is insane. I’ve seen 100 kWh battery packs with 5000 miles on them get scrapped, plus the whole rest of the car. It’s funny to listen to EV proponents say how much more reliable and long lasting and EV is versus a ice car and then turn around and say if you scratch the battery pack, you have to scrap the whole car. And then they wonder why regular consumers don’t want to buy EV‘s. I repair these battery packs all day every day, it absolutely can be done safely. When the actual cells have been damaged, then they are not salvageable, it’s pretty simple actually. I’ve tried speaking with my vocal lawmakers, congressmen, and senators, different nonprofits to explain to them That the best way to get more hybrid electric vehicles on the roads is to simply take better care of the ones that we already have and Support independent hybrid, electric vehicle repair shops like mine. They might say yes that sounds great but I never got any of them to take any action. I’ve learned over the years that this industry is just greenwashing bullshit designed to remove and prevent reliable vehicle ownership.
I just want to add a bit that while it's true that plants absorb co2 during the day, they produce co2 during the night. I'm not sure on ratios of any kind though.
You are mostly right apart from the paranoia (coming out of your comment about CO2 emissions - which, again, I understand because of all that fear mongering everywhere). I have been saying and writing the things you've written here for years. Not only break even points and recyclability aren't being communicated to the public when it comes to EVs but the charging mix FOR that break even point, when it's calculated, it's calculated on the premise that all charges are done with solar and wind (which is practically unfeasible - not to mention the carbon footprint of solar and wind themselves and their horrendous EROEI)! Moreover, the only proven thing that CO2 does to the planet is ... greening it so CO2 creates its own carbon sinks in making the biosphere richer and greener. So I wouldn't worry too much about CO2 (apart from how governments use it to tax us to death and induce debt-destroying inflation!). Lastly, not many people know this but Global Average Temperatures are BELOW normal (30 - year average as a point of reference) for ALL the previous many years (at least since 2015 up to 2022). That's while CO2 was ramping up in the atmosphere! There's something wrong about their theories and you'll see a lot of narrative backpedaling in the years to come. P.S. I have been studying climate science for the past 15 years.
@@Anonymous-zu7dh as plants grow they are becoming bigger carbon sinks and every new plant multiplies itself creating more of its kind. So, the planet is factually getting greener because of extra CO2 and that's observable by a dedicated satellite that's monitoring the planet's total foliage! The fear mongers have somehow turned that around and tell us that this is now a problem (the greening of the planet - go look at NASA's page about the specific study of CO2 fertilization of the planet), which is absurd (especially when you consider that they often complain also about droughts, deforestation and other imaginary problems that are more attuned with more cameras documenting every single incident than the actual worsening of the situation in comparison to previous centuries).
Tesla tried to do this with the passenger seat safety harness. Their idea was to replace the whole seat vs pulling off the cover and replacing the harness. Customers weren’t having it and magically it had a fix.
I think the other big thing is that the manufacturer voids the Warranty of the battery because of the shield damage also. It's another way for garbage to be produced and promises to be broken.
Not at all. No accident damage is covered by a new car warranty and your insurance will pay for the replacement as it should. I don't see what the issue is???@@bdaig12
Two years ago Hyundai had to recall 1000s of IONIQs and replace the batteries, if those batteries really cost 60k they would have replaced the whole car and not take the effort.
This should be the top post. The dealers are comfortable with screwing over customers with these kinds of repair valuations. The public insurer took the hit this time, but that will eventually end.
Truth is none of this would be happening if consumers were responsible. While I love good regulation, none of these issues would even get this far if consumers simply banded together to be educated about what they're considering buying and refuse to buy because of it. Companies do this stuff because it gains them money, and they sure as shit sober up quick when their pockets are hit as a result. A government fine is negligible when talking about companies as large as this, but reputation damage and wide scale consumer rejection is enough to shudder an entire business if they don't do better quickly.
Recall cost are covered by the company, the hyundai-kia motor group. And they're legally had to do it. Isolated incidents like this are handled by dealership, they're different entities, and depending by the holder, state legistlation, things may be handled differently
@@gregh9762 What dealerships can repair is pretty much set by Hyundai. If they can't obtain the parts and manuals it's virtually impossible or at the very least very unattractive to spend resources on.
My son's Hyundai had an issue with the power seat, preventing it from moving back and forth. A plastic piece broke but Hyundai won't sell parts and the dealer's only option was to replace the entire lower seat assembly - about $1500. I found the entire seat on eBay for about $350 shipped, including the same color leather seat. I then realized the plastic piece wasn't the issue and that small flexible drive shaft from the motor came loose. The dealer didn't actually know how the seats work because they aren't allowed to repair them. The repair consisted of my wiggling the part until it seated properly.
Forget the costs, forget the insurance. I find it outrageous that a car company can simply decide to void a warranty without clear proof of intentional abuse.
He says a car company can simply decide to void a warrantee without clear proof of intentional abuse. No warranty covers any accident damage on any part of a new car and never has. Accident damage does NOT include intentional abuse. This person is a moron.@@DKNguyen3.1415
@@nortonman5238 It's the shiny new thing. People see stuff like mood lighting and AI adaptive warming cupholders that also controls your radio, for some reason. And the manufacturers promote these things as The new features. No wonder car mechanics can't get a handle on how to fix newer cars. Especially when OEMs don't provide any documentation. I'm actually worried about auto electricians. Especially when these newer cars start rolling off "approved/official" repair shops and start showing up in independent ones.
@@RedHaloManiac95 "don't blame the manufacturer for their bad business practices, blame the government" Why do you people feel the need to make politics your identity
Unfortunately, this is just human nature. Some genius was always bound to figure out one day that products could be made of a lesser lifespan to force consumers to keep buying replacements. There's nothing we can do except to scrutinise and buy from less greedy companies.
Yeah, I've been asking myself over and over how a replacement costs more than purchasing a -new- identical car. There has been more than one instance of this. It's not a one off.
@@manny022 What happems is that they engineer the vehicles and devices on a way that guarantees that they are hard and expensive to repair, just compare a modern gas engine to one from 2002 and one from 1994.
Subscriber from the UK here. Story not related to EV's, but a positive experience that I recently had with a product. I do quite a lot of woodworking in my 'man cave' and one of the power tools I own is a compound mitre saw, which was made by a company called 'Evolution Rage' about 15 years ago. A few months ago, the little laser module that projects a line where the blade will cut failed. To my surprise, I found an exploded diagram of the saw on their website, with part numbers and prices for all the components. I was therefore, able to purchase and fit the part myself. I just thought that the company deserved a mention.
@@drkastenbrot Actually, that makes a lot of sense! A skilled craftsman would expect to be able to fix things. It is a shame that it seems skilled workman are not as valued and things in general are not as repairable. Much of my furniture is from thrift shops and made from wood with dovetailed joints. The finish is ruined from moisture, but it doesn't affect the strength, unlike particleboard. (I am unsure if it is veneered, so I am afraid to mess with the finish )
@@marymegrant1130 more importantly many skilled persons wouldn't buy tools that wouldn't allow them to be repaired. If phone, car, etc. purchasers wouldn't buy these things manufacturers would have to offer products that are repairable.
Before EV's were a big thing I longed for an EV for the expected simplicity and lack of maintenance. I wanted the EV equivalent of a VW beetle. They made the EV equivalent of a space shuttle.
I seen the invoice for that battery and it comes with a 12 month warranty. Pretty shocking for a $60,000 price tag. This will probably cause insurance providers to take pause on covering electric cars. Hyundai might shoot themselves in the foot if consumers won't buy their cars because no insurance is available.
That's ridiculous. Tesla warranties their batteries for 8 years/100k miles. Rarely do entire battery packs actually need to be replaced, unless it's been submerged in a lake or driven 400k miles.
And we have a winner. If a car manufacturer can produce a road-legal EV that no insurer will actually insure, then they get to claim that they are doing their part for the environment and pass the negative PR to someone else, then kill off the line to save money cause nobody can buy them anyway which makes their investors more money.
@@thelight3112Tesla might also not continue the 8 year warranty if something similiar would happen where the customer would pay for a new battery themselves. Outside the warranty it would definitely be 12 months. Standars practice.
Hyundai can kick rocks. Had a 2015 sonata hybrid and because of the issues my insurance shot up 300% in the last year and I had the engine fully rebuilt at 30k miles from a manufacturer defect that left me car less for 3 months. Best decision I’ve made was trading it in and taking the loss.
@@KermitOfWar you want reliable dependable cars. Buy Toyota or Subaru. Some GM trucks are good, and some fords but those will cost you 60+K and will essentially last the same or less than a Toyota or Subaru.
If they are saying that any damage to the protective cover means the battery could me damaged, then obviously the cover they are using is greatly substandard for what it is protecting. That cover should be strong AF!
@@Scrogan Nah, you want toughness. If you aim for stiffness you end up with something glass which is very strong (can support a lot of force) but very brittle (can't withstand a lot of energy). Since impacts are energy based, they will just cause it to shatter like glass, which carbon fiber does. Kevlar behaves a bit differently but the resin matrix shatters while the fibers remain intact so you end up with an intact bag.
My only question at this point is that why does a 'Battery protective cover' doesn't do the job of protecting the battery? Specially against a rather expected scratch that you'd get at some point over the course of your driving. WTF!
just like how if the bumper on some cars gets damaged they have to replace the entire front bodywork costing multiple thousands. When in the old days bumpers were there to take damage and be replaced cheaply to save the rest of the bodywork from needing to be replaced. But wheres the profit in that?
correct. the cover is not designed to do the job it was designed to do...there were 2 cases in Canada about ppl running over things in their Ionic5 and needing a new battery (not covered because "owner abuse"
I'm one of the 10k recent subscribers, and you've been hitting the nail on the head in terms of the problems in modern US corporate culture. I am finishing up my MS in economics right now, but all of the problems/shitty behavior we see coming from these large corporations literally come from the MBA curriculum. Any business school in the US will teach MBAs how to screw over their customers, their employees - hell, even their own mothers (/s) to turn a profit for shareholders. From my perspective and knowledge, this system is unsustainable and is encouraged by my own field of study (theory of the firm and profit maximizing behavior). A LOT needs to change, from the culture at these corporations, to regulatory reform, and even so far as what we deem acceptable to teach our future business leaders. Keep shining a light on the bullshit and hopefully enough people see this to help spark change. Godspeed
Most people in world used to say that a company cant be lead by an accountant, because they dont undersand that a company relies on its image. Now accountants tell companies their image is created by the public relations department.
I watched the core discovery video a few weeks ago. One aspect a lot of EV owners seem to miss is any minor incident with their car sets up a mandatory battery check. But until the battery is checked you can't park your car in your garage or next to a home. The whole EV marketplace is set to implode as owners start to wake up to the lack of repair options if you have a minor incident. And the biggest joke is so many EV owners are mind zapped they are saving the planet by their expensive purchase. The car companies know these owners are cashed up, so the business model is get as much of their cash as possible. Wow, why am I now thinking of Apple in the same thought bubble.
3 replies here but only 1 reply is showing? Actually 2 if Tyrannical Oppressive Lawless Screwtube is showing my comment! CAN U SAY SHADOW BANNING!! I wonder what the other commentators said to get their comments banned!
For some unknown reasons, I feel safer when I see people like you watching and fighting for the weaker who doesn't dare to speak out. Keep it up buddy. You make a difference & God bless you!
I just bought a rowing machine, one I bought was a bit more than I originally planned. Main reason being is support and repairability. Other say the company is very helpful post sale and EVERY part is available to purchase on their site. You can even go back 7 generations in their line to 1980 and they have replacement parts of that machine. Love buying something where it's meant to last.
My '99 Jimmy is similar, pretty much every part was identical from 1994 to 2005, and was available in Chevy Blazer, GMC Jimmy, and Oldsmobile Bravada. Huge aftermarket supply for parts, and you can find them pretty much everywhere you look. Main difference between the 3 is the badge. Easy to work on, cheap to work on, and the motors are pretty dang bulletproof. I'll drive mine until the day I die lol
I owned 3 Conecpt2 Rowing Machines and they are built like tanks. And I could get spares even for the older ones. And the support and the community around the product was second to none. And, I bought all of them second hand with a few years use on them. I still maintain they are a machine for life. C2 don't need to advertise because the products customers *are* its advertisement and a testament to the quality and longevity of that product.
This is why I'm sticking with Weber grills. They are stupid expensive but the parts to fix them are readily available. Your crappy HD grill will last a couple years but you can maintain a Weber for 20.
@@Dalroth we went with Napoleon grills out of Canada, and have had an outstanding experience with them. When we had a minor issue that was partially on us, they even sent us out some of the parts for free and gave us detailed instructions on how to swap them in. Other than that, the quality has been truly excellent. The only downside is they're not cheap.
I know this all too well. I got a car loan at a Toyota dealership a few years ago. Someone there, I don't know who, stole my identity. They tried to open bank accounts, open credit cards and get a car loan. I said "tried," because I have credit monitoring, and I have a credit freeze in place with all three credit reporting companies. So, they weren't successful, and I wasn't out any money. But, I highly doubt I'm the only victim. I'm sure there are plenty of other victims out there.
@Wegetsignal between people buying cars and then 3 months later not being able to use their remote car starter (THAT THEY PAID FOR) because the brand is switching to a subscription service now they have to pay to use that same car starter. Also the corporate people come down and talk to the technicians about quoting and uncharging up parts that they don't need. Luckily the group of guys we got here is pretty good and we try and help people out as much as possible but there's things like checking the oil were not able to do because they want it to sit in the shop for an hour and the customer to pay our 139.99 diagnostic fee to check the fucking oil, there is so so so much more
Windshield replacement for my Infiniti Q50 was quoted around 1200 at the dealer. Random sketchy repair place did it for 350 and that windshield has been good for years now.
Random sketchy places have the best foreign mechanics that speak no English and just trying to make it in the country they immigrated to. They know vehicles inside and out but can't get a dealership mechanic job cuz they can't communicate well. That or they have a criminal record and no ome wants to hire them. Either way, you're getting your shit fixed.
@@arzeey It was more or less exactly like that. Guy didn't speak much english but was super nice and said he had a windshield that should fit mine and if not no cost to me. Very happy it fit and has served me well.
Bro, any place other than the dealer will charge you less. Dealers charge top of the line prices for everything, I still don't know why people choose dealers before looking for a different option 🤦♂️
@@PieMK6R because a lot of warranties have clauses that say you have to use the dealership not to void your warranty so people get stuck in the mindset of always using the dealer even though they don't have to.
I've owned 2 Mazda RX-7's back in the 90's and I couldn't take either of them to my local Mazda dealership because they had ruined so many rotary engines. My choices were to drive 3 hours to a dealership that was certified to work on them or to work on them myself. I chose to figure out how to do everything on those cars myself. It actually wasn't that hard, which made me wonder how trained mechanics botched so many of them. DON'T TRUST YOUR LOCAL DEALERSHIPS!
It often takes extra training to be certified to do some things. Since it wouldnt be economical for every single dealership to be certified in the many different things there is.@@marymegrant1130
One of the problems is having a 60,00 dollar part on a 60,000 car. The batteries need to be split up into smaller independent units costing somewhere in the sub $3000 or less. I hear that Tesla is actually working on this because they've gotten tired of rebuilding giant cell packs under warranty. And also wouldn't surprise me if the insurance companies haven't also said, we can end you with rate hikes for over-priced repairs. Now on the Hyundai, even if an independent shop wanted to take on a repair or rebuild of the battery, it could get expensive fast since no internal battery parts like those for cooling are available from Hyundai.
re: "The batteries need to be split up into smaller independent units costing somewhere in the sub $3000 or less." "NO LOW COST BATTERY PARTS FOR YOU...!!!" (best Hyundai/Soup Nazi mashup)
@Chris_1024_ Yes, but Tesla has decided to go over to more moduler packs, from what I've heard on the grape vine. But changing over to them isn't going to be instant. It's going to take time probably 3 years before the first Tesla comes with them though.
Ford EV's battery packs hold a cluster of modules that can be replaced individually. Not by the average person, of course, but at the dealership I've replaced battery modules.
Having worked in the EV industriy myself, what Hyundai is doing is insane and should be severely punished by consumers and regulators. My company established battery repair centers specifically for checking and re-assembling batteries. Those greedy corporate MBA drones in HQ have to see some serious loss of turnover for this kind of policy.
I was quoted a massive bill for replacing a fuel pump. Turned out the issue with the fuel pump was a broken rubber seal. Replaced it myself, costed me a few cents. There are very few real mechanics nowadays, even for conventional vehicles. Everyone just points to the "broken thing" and says "buy a new one of this". And that issue is 1000% worse for EVs, because there are no independent shops working on them, and the dealers just don't give a F, they just recycle everything, customer can suck it. Cause really what else are you gonna do? Buy an old gas car and KILL THE REEF? Monster. Pay up.
They probably quoted you the fuel pump to cover there azz and its only what a good mechanic would do.when they tell you its just this seal your talking about and it ends up being the pump then you scream that they dont know what their doing....Have you ever fixed anything?nah im thinking
Being a diagnostician takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Being a parts changer cost hundreds and is cheaper to employ. When changing a part fixes the problem more then half the time, no one checks to see if the fuel pump is actually broken or just needs some new hardware.
These EV battery-modules are monstrous, very complex and just removing them from the vehicle is a PITA. Just one cell goes bad, as is not too uncommon, even with brand new cells, have fun!
There was a story from a man in Canada who was driving his Ioniq when he hit a muffler on the road, and it damaged his battery compartment. The car was totaled by the insurance company rather than pay 61k for the new battery
@Sugarkryptonite you may lose a "claim-free" discount but in most US states, if you have a clean driving record, you will legally get the same rate as everyone else, adjusted for separate factors like where you live (i.e. are auto thefts likely at your home). The rates will surely go up for all EV owners as more and more fairly new cars have to be written off. Insurance premiums on Teslas already reflect this.
@@Sugarkryptonite that's the point of insurance.... Shit happens..... How about don't hit a fucking muffler? Didn't see it? Then get off the cars ass in front of you and back the fuck up! How's this any different then it denting an oil pan and it closing the gap from the bottom and the oil pick up? The motor loses oil pressure, locks up and throws a rod out the side of the block and a fire ball follows setting the car ablaze. New engine, wiring harness, paint and some body parts needed...... The manufacture would be responsible to pay for that? How is this any different? Please, enlighten me!
The sad part is Louis I’ve been working on vehicles for over 30 years and the covers they’re putting underneath these high dollar chariots are literally made out of papier-mâché. How many times I am pulling daggers and spears from underneath vehicles some of them that have actually punctured the fuel tank and the most bizarre way possible. You would think the bean counters in these companies would figure out a way to build a vehicle that would take care of and mitigate most road hazards. An owner of a 2022 Toyota Highlander ran over something in the highway and ended up having to replace $800 worth of carpet like material that’s all that acted as the underside of the vehicles cover absolute joke.
the catch is, cars are ment to brake, having a extremely strong flooring would effect crumple zones. I belive in a short while we may even see the cyber truck not allowed on American roads soon, due to how strong it handles impacts.
@@HTOP1982 I'm not an enginer, so I wont claim the best way to work around this, but from my understanding cars are meant to break no matter which way they have an impact from, the primary part of electric cars having a skid plate is to protect the battery, and from my understanding their weak as is.
Like everything EV car related, the customer seems to be the beta-tester for the official rollout in 2030 when the customers will not be able to own these cars and be happy
It's not even that. You can replace the gas tank and entire engine on a new car for less than the price of a new car. It is you dent the gas tank, "here is the new gas tank you need. The gas tank costs more than the entire car which has a gas tank."
All good points Louis. Unfortunately, the ultimate decision not to repair was severly tainted by the corporate lawyers who scared the dealers with claims of liability if they touched the car and then it blew up into a flaming black hole of death. Lawyers who have no technical background or understanding about charging systems or Li batteries are now in charge of Hyundai corporate policy. Welcome to 2024.
No, the problem is just the fact nobody wants the liability. The dealers couldn't care less. If Hyundai tried to repair a used battery that has sustained anykind of a hit, and then that battery went out in flames even years later, and god forbid someone dies, thats the kind of news that can destroy a company. This problem has nothing to do with our consumer culture. Lithium batteries can become unstable very fast for no apparent reason even when in supposedly pristine condition. And laptop batteries cannot be compared to these mammoth lithium batteries. Even just storing EV batteries that need repair should make you sweat. In Europe there has now been two battery warehouse fires in succession. These were just used batteries, not ones proven that got hit. Sorry but blaming anti repair movement for this one is just ignorance. You have to do your own research if you want to have your EV battery repaired. But even those few little shops will make sure that you understand the risks involved in a battery that has sustained a hit.
Both houses & cars have become too expensive for most Americans these days, most especially for single people and/or single-income households. Even a lot of 2 income households can't afford them.
This issue has been exacerbated by the practices of insurance companies, which can have negative effects as well. Some insurance companies may contribute to rising prices by providing coverage that encourages risky lending and speculation. Additionally, certain insurance policies can be expensive, making it even more challenging for families to secure affordable properties. It's important for individuals tor consider diversifying their income streams, independent of government reliance, as a wise approach in the current situation.
What if you don't know how to trade any of these? I mean, see your point some people have the money and are willing to invest, the question is where to.
I agree, that's the more reason I prefer my day to day invt decisions being guided by a invt-coach, seeing that their entire skillset is built around going long and short at the same time both employing risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying off risk as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, coupled with the exclusive information/analysis they have, it's near impossible to not out-perform, been using a invt-coach for over 2years+ and I've netted over 1.5million
people tend to lean towards spending money on things that don't generate income, like liabilities, rather than investing in assets that can bring in profits. It's important to understand the long-term benefits of investing in assets and making wise financial decisions.
The cost and waste analysis is a great topic. Will manufacturers make the right decision to repair cases before or after the resources and cost needed to replace these batteries become too prohibitive?. It looks like we're already at that point, but as you said, they'll happily pass on that FU price instead of taking care of their customers.
The more I think about it I think having a company on the stock market is not good. They become too worried about profit. I know it can be important for smaller companies to get money and a way for average people to gain gradual wealth over time. Idk what could be done about it or how to replace it, just seems this insane drive for profit is really starting to hurt us now. They act like there is no other way in making money besides screwing over your current customers. Instead of pitching new products, they propose the already proven plan of squeezing money out of current customers like how apple does.
Maybe just uses public transportation It's not environmental friendly if most powerplant itself still use coal to generate it This only moves the problem to another, not solves it
@@The_Divergent true but I don't think most American power plants use coal. You also got to consider the environmental impact of mining the stuff for the batteries. Most often done in third world nations with no environmental regulations. I think Australia mines a lot of lithium but they also need other things like cobalt. Rn, it seems more about shifting who's polluting the most rather than reduction. It really doesn't matter if we cut pollution in the US if they increase pollution in China or Africa.
@@The_Divergent Actually EV's are net neutral when powered by coal. Central power plants have thermal efficiencies of over 40%, the grid is at least 85% efficient, EVs are 90% efficient: leading to a system efficiency of 30.6%. Your small mobile ICE will only get up to 30% efficiency in the optimum RPM range on the highway. But one thing electrification does is make it easier to decarbonize the grid without replacing all of the down-stream equipment. Your heat-pump does not care if it is running off of natural gas or nuclear power (102% system efficiency, assuming a COP of at least 3.0): but will still beat the efficiency of even a 100% efficient gas boiler.
Companies need to go bankrupt over crap like this. EV's are really looking more like a giant scam than a viable alterative at this stage. Glad you covered this.
It's not really a scam, it's more an immature technology. They have a very limited supply of batteries which makes volume production difficult, and small production costly. In China, the government regulates and funds battery development which allows for a unique market. Outside of China, only Tesla and Hyundai are profitable. Tesla is profitable because of high volume production and vertical integration. They're able to have their own dedicated battery factories and mineral mines. Other companies buy off the shelf batteries and components which are generally expensive. Hyundai and LG are Chaebols - basically mega-corporations beyond what we allow in the US. Basically Hyundai gets first pick at LG batteries and it's a limited supply, so they prefer to use it for new cars rather than replacements. Sodium-Ion will likely be the future for electric cars. It will remedy many of the concerns with rare minerals, cost, safety, charging speed, and toxicity.
And this is very unfortunate, because the concept of EVs is very reliable. an electrical motor will outlast any consumption engine in the market, with very minimum maintenance. but those greedy makers adding these computers and intelligence to it, and having all this micro-transactions and subscriptions, leading people to think that EV is a scam while its not.
That hole is not really a hole, it's just missing the plastic plug that covers the access bolts for the battery pack. But this is just my opinion, I have never touched a Hyundai Ioniq before. I have worked as a mechanic for 12 years with multiple brands, a large part of it being japanese cars. And that photo seemed to be showing a plastic deflector shield, that seems to be covering the battery pack, and a plastic / rubber plug that covers access to the bolt for the battery pack seemed like it was missing. I suspect the only damage really is just the plastic deflector that is severely worn / scratched, maybe even cracked in some places. A lot of these parts can be inflated by the dealer, but the replacement time is usually not long, 1hr, 2 hrs tops. I would not expect a bill larger than 1.5-3k CDN for the plastic deflectors and labour.
The problem for some dealers is that they've been given none of the training or equipment for testing dinged battery packs so they're writing the off for any damage to be on the safe side.
I recall a time during my electric vehicle (EV) training when the Hyundai Ioniq was undergoing a recall for issues with its EV batteries. These batteries were being replaced, and the facility where I was training managed to acquire one. The replacement battery, known for its extended range, weighed approximately 1500kg. A critical feature of this battery is its hermetically sealed case, which isolates it from the atmosphere. If the case is cracked, the integrity of the battery is compromised, leading to potential safety issues.In contrast, some of the early Toyota Prius models experienced corrosion in the bus bar of their hybrid batteries. This issue was often traced back to the replacement of the 12V battery located behind the hybrid battery. A common oversight during this process was failing to refit the breather to the side of the battery, leading to the corrosion problem. This highlights the intricate nature of EV and hybrid systems, where even minor maintenance errors can lead to significant issues.
As for prius bus bar issues. I cleaned up a bunch of these, and they worked just fine after words. In the case of things that should be sealed. I dont see any reason that there couldn't be a procedure to reseal things. I've certainly seen plenty of gas car vehicle have fires due to corrorosion, improperly installed fuel lines and other parts, aftermarket stuff etc.
@@jamesmelemede5610 i honestly don't know as I haven't opened up any of said battery packs, but to me this feels like a lot of products where they purposely make them difficult to repair/inspect. It'll be interesting to see how these vehicles age and what aftermarket solutions people come up with. Feels like when the prius came out everyone said similar things, but like I said I've repaired a ton of prius battery packs, replacing cells, connectors, bus bars, etc without any issues.
As someone who worked for one of the largest Hyundai stores if anything isn’t warrantable or lemon-able typically a dealer service center will just quote an insane number to replace/repair and hope the customer just gives up and buys another car.
Yeah. If I got the quote for 60k repair bill, not only I go buy some other brand of car but also talk to my friends, family, CO workers, strangers on internet basically everyone not buy this particular car brand anymore.
@@joec8321 The information is out there about how much garbage Hyundai/KIA vehicles are. But people don't do their diligence and check things out. And don't go by what you see from some paid reviewing publication or some reviewer says who is given use of a vehicle for free to review. Check out forums dealing with vehicles that are actually owned by people who can relate "real world" experiences.
And to think I almost bought one of these... Seriously Louis, super inspiring to see you continue to call this stuff out. I know it can feel futile when corpos keep doing the same shit, face no repercussions and people just eat it up, but I can promise you you are making a huge impact by not staying silent. Keep it up!
i am/was strongly considering Hundai ioniq5, Ford Mach-e, or tesla3/telsaY. i dont even know any more. ive seen all 3 at my work place so i thought they were good
Love to hear you talking about more selfhosted stuff! The only way to actually own any of the systems and the data that runs your life is to actually OWN it. Remember y'all, the cloud is just somebody elses computer, you can own a computer too!
i really needed to know this as an insurance adjuster and now understand why many dealerships are not within insurance repair shop networks. I know insurance is pretty scammy in itself, but I've seen small businesses in network cause a lot less drama for repairs than out of network dealerships that try to siphon money for OEM parts from insurance companies when insurance mainly covers aftermarket and the OEM cost difference has to be siphoned from the customer instead (always check the fine print on your policy document). I don't drive, but I am truly appreciating these auto repair videos!
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I like the spark in Louises eyes when he touches his server, nice details :)
Thank you for making this video, Louis. I made sure to watch it till the end. People need to see this and regulators need to know about it. It can't be that the battery costs more than the vehicule when it was new. I drive an EV myself, but I will not recommend buying one to any of my friends until this issue is resolved to the content of the customer. The Ioniq 5 is a really good EV, but if its so sensitive to any impact it is actually not roadworthy.
I never recommend that people buy an EV, despite driving a Model Y myself. The industry is still in it's infancy. My $60k EV is worth only $35K one year later due to Elon's _price cuts_ and justifiable used car _battery fears._ Not to mention that supercharging degrades your battery and if you don't do 95% of your charging at home, it just isn't worth it.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 Same. I own a Nissan Leaf, and my recommendation to everyone is regular ICE or hybrid. And because of the state government here planning to charge per distance taxes for battery EVs and plug in hybrids soon, I also make sure to recommend fuel-only hybrids, not plug ins. Edit: we do 100% of charging at home... That's why an EV made sense for us. Many short trips, it's parked at home 90% of the day, and we've got solar. Anyone who can't charge off solar shouldn't even consider a battery EV.
@@tin2001 It only costs me only $30/mo to drive my Model Y _( @ 10k mi/year ),_ and I don't have solar in NC. I bought a Tesla because I own TSLA stock, which afforded me to splurge on the Model Y _and_ given where Tesla's market cap is going by 2030, money will not be a concern for me when it comes time to replace the Y. _( ...getting $18k for my 10 year old Honda Accord played a big factor in this purchase. )_ I certainly would never have spent so much on an EV if I couldn't easily write a check for it and didn't have home charging. EV battery life will destroy the value of used EVs and rightfully so, which makes them a shitty investment. While I baby my EV's battery... not everyone does. _( Recently, I bought an eToy on eBay. The seller stupidly topped off the battery for me prior to shipping..... thus, I have no doubt that my $1000 used OneWheel's battery life won't be a long one! )_ Cheers 👍
I've seen this story reported a few times. One question that needs asking, in my view. What is the point of a battery protector that is incapable of protecting the battery in normal use?
I'd also like to add to your question. For decades, how have we managed to build gas/petrol tanks on cars that don't spring a leak when hit by road trash?
The description in this video is pretty misleading. The vehicle ran over something very substantial, enough to push the protective plate so far up in to the battery which caused a rupture of the battery cooling system. It, in no way, was scratches from pebbles in a construction zone.
I haven't messed with the batteries on the new electric cars but the automotive school i went to 13-14 years ago had a hybrid class that was an elective. The 3 batteries that we got to play with were all serviceable as the cells almost looked server racks and plugged in to large bars. Also with the on board diagnostic software (accessible with a scan tool) on one of them that even told you what cell was bad. On the videos ive seen on some of the newer EV's the batteries looked completely sealed and not serviceable.
@michaelscarport some newer EV's, Tesla included, made battery packs as part of the frame structure, meaning when the battery goes out, the entire car HAS to be scrapped. That was the instant I decided electric car designs weren't for me.
@michaelscarport I had considered this long ago - cars should be designed over standardized battery modules, not designing batteries for each generation/make/model car - you get supply issues. EV station cart pulls out battery module(s), another cart reloads and off you go on a fresh charge. Like drones on a larger scale. Modules should have a standard voltage, entirely rebuildable with different cell tech. GM and Hyundai would use same module. I found 240VDC the best to allow differing number of NiMH, Li-ion, and LiFePO4 cells (same LxW, different depth) can be stacked to get close to 240V. But manufacturers want the monopoly on batteries and here we are with $60k batteries.
With an items being as costly and delicate in a non-delicate environment as this, the fact it would be so stupidly expensive to repair makes it a non-viable product. It sounds like this is a prodcut case of "you are bad and should feel bad"
Product viability is a matter of whether it can be sold, not whether it is actually useful or needed. And making things durable is bad for the bottom line, so don't expect that to change any time soon. Your best bet is to stop buying products like this and pray the average person doesn't drag you off the cliff with them.
@@cosmic_gate476 I suppose you are right, when it comes to things as cheap as cars, trains, planes and military hardware, we can just order another one in the post for little to no cost... Only one fo those has no blantant public examples of said same treatment, another is having come remedialy mesaures taken, though not for the public, Ill eave to guess which. In and case, if everyone does it, there is no "Just don't buy it" It's like saying do not buy a phone that has a locked OS, it's computer that relays sound of visuals, and not an alien piece of hardware... It's the persuit of an infinite growth and efficiency increases market model in a universe in which neither infinity exists. Bad behaviour is encouraged by it's the nature, it was not always this way, once upon a time market saturation was recognized and acknowledged, seemingly at least.
We really need your voice in the fight to stop this genocide. The ferocious way in which you fight for Right to Repair is inspiring- and that tenacity is needed to help stop and speak out against the Israeli ZioNazis and their genocidal campaign. Nothing in current events is more important right now.
@@vivianrichards1313 They helped, but only because it was a new kind of easily available distraction. There have been stupid drivers for as long as we've had automobiles, unfortunately. Long before cell phones became so universal I saw women putting on makeup and men shaving, weaving all over the lanes. My favourite was way back in 1992: when on holiday I was approaching the Bay Bridge from the east and I saw someone with a paperback propped on the steering wheel, barrelling down the freeway. I warned the toll booth operator, who said: "Oh, honey, thanks for the warning, but trust me I've seen it all.".
It was probably said already but they have a follow up video for another one of these situations that happened on the other side of Canada (I believe this one was Vancouver, the second one was Toronto). I watched them before I saw this video and I’m glad you’re making people more aware of this kind of garbage. I had a lemon from Hyundai and it took the most stressful month of my life going between corporate and the dealer to get them to take it back. I was relentless though and eventually they caved before I had to get a lawyer. I’ll never buy a Hyundai/kia product ever again but if I didn’t have this situation happen to me personally, I would seriously consider this 60k battery replacement as the straw that made me avoid them forever.
Homemade cloud is definitely more preferable! Its good to see you excited over something tech related for a change at the end. You're right though, we're likely not to benefit from the movement. We may see it start to take effect, but we're going to have to plant a lot of seeds for the future generations to benefit. And that's worth it. Knowing my grandkids might not have to put up with half the crap we do? Would be absolutely wroth it.
I think the potential costs associated with a damaged or failed battery are what keeps many people, myself included, from buying an electric car. I could destroy the entire power train in my current vehicle and it would cost me a fraction of what it would cost to replace the whole drive train than it would to replace an EV battery. Chances are the battery will make it the life of the car but I am just not willing to take that risk, especially not when the car is already far more expensive than internal combustion vehicle.
That really depends. A friend of my brothers got a price to replace some parts in the mother of the car. 4 units for 5000 dollars each. 20 000 dollars. That was not what the dealership considered expensive parts of the car. Then again, that was a high end car with 400 hp. A single turbo would probably be in the same range for that car as well. A friend got a price for a new turbo for his Audi. 15 000 dollars. Another friend replaced his turbo, bought a used one for around 3000 dollars and had to replace it himself, and of course no warranty. It really isn't that much better for combustion engines. The mark up they have seem to be insane.
@@christophervanzetta well yeah, but tesla is trying to be in that segment as well and they have cheaper batteries than Hyundai by the looks of it. So no matter what, you are screwed. The point I was trying to make is that even if you do not buy an electric car, you could still buy a just normal VW and get the same kind of costs from parts in the engine. It kind of sucks no matter what
Hey Louis - I actually do have a company for you that I feel might be on the right track to making things fixable, and that is DJI. I have been flying DJI Drones for over 8 years now and every single time I need a repair the bill that is due is surprisingly minimal. For example, I just recently crashed a brand new Mavic 3 Pro, which I didn’t have Care Refresh on yet (for anyone that doesn’t know it’s their insurance type program that they offer. So I sent it in and I thought I was going to get slammed with a huge bill on this one despite always having awesome experiences with repairs with them. They came back and told me the bill to replace it and I was shocked. It was only just over $100 - to repair a $2300 crashed drone. I was so grateful to DJI that it makes me want to be a customer to them forever. It’s more companies like these that we need around here. And no I’m not affiliated with them whatsoever. I’m just a customer and a fan.
I almost locked in on an Ionic 5 or EV6 but decided to wait until 2024. After Hyundai's response to this case and others in Canada I am reshuffling my EV preferences and priorities. Shit happens and if scratches to the battery shield is enough to void the battery that's too great of a risk to take.
I agree with you 100%. And I used to work for Hyundai as a tech. Hyundai had and still has an engine recall which means an entire engine block was to be repalced. I always thought it was insane that we were replacing so many engines when possibly a simple repair was all that was needed. There were situations where engines caught on fire so I understand why the corporate owners and managers are coming from because of how sue happy all the lawyers are out there. They are afraid and just want a complete replacement. And that's probably why Hyundai told that particular customer that an entire battery had to be replaced because no one wants to be held liable if an issue were to occur. For things to change in the future....We will need to first fix the issues with all the crazy lawsuits that can be easily brought up by anyone. Until that changes, nothing else will change.
@@Andoxico yes but it's up to the manufacturer as to what repair will be performed. Once it is known to the public that there is a recall the lawyers get happy knowing that car owners will be happy to sue! That is the reason why manufacturers don't wanna deal with certain repairs.
In Norway. You can buy stickers (wrap) that's look exactly like the underside of the Tesla battery. If it's a dent in the battery ( don't know the exact depth). You can use filler. And the sticker. To clear the annual "Safety check" on the car.
It's good to see this man happy and proud of these machines. I'm looking forward to start self hosting soon as well. It's also good to know someone is trying hard to spread the needed awareness for us to not become slaves of greedy corporations. Thank you for that. 🇧🇷
Thank you for your channel, Louis. I always feel smarter for having watched your videos. We are literally being run over by our Government and their Big Corporate Minions. Thank you for shining a very bright light on their corruption and simple disdain for the consumer/ constituent.
I watched a video where a shop repairs EV's even batteries, where they locate one of the small battieries that goes bad and the battery pack won't balance, it turned into a small swap and it was fixed, this was a long time ago and I wish I had a link for you but they showed some small repairs most anyone can do and I believe it was a coolant issue they showed
I think we are at the "competency crysis" point where the tecnology to keep these system in check is no longer possible or maintanable so they'd rather throw it away and build it new using a trusted and working system than trying to figure out what is going on.
I think Hyundai definitely wants to make EVs. They've created EV platforms and are doing some interesting things in the space. I think they're viewing BEVs as a way to make as much money as possible, regardless of how theyre f'ing their customers.
re: "I think they're viewing BEVs as a way to make as much money as possible, regardless of how theyre f'ing their customers." yes, Elon has indeed "shaken up" the Legacy Auto Industry and taught the OEM's a thing or two about how to "conduct business". STEP #1: lie to your customers, then STEP #2: engage in the wanton GREED and RAPE of your customers (ie, "South Africa style").
Great video! In this day and age of social media, Hyundai doesn’t realize how damaging this is to their name and credibility. Especially now where there is lots of inventory on dealers lots and inflation is at record high.
*I have never been happier to own a Mitsubishi Mirage.* At this point it's about the only brand new vehicle I'd ever buy. No internet garbage. Very simple and rigorously tested. Cheap and easy to fix. 50 MPG, not hybrid/EV.
We have had one of those at my work once upon a time… I hope you don’t get people to sit on the back seat, that is the most uncomfortable place I have ever sat.
I'm glad you find reasons to enjoy your car dude. Too many people constantly find reasons to be unhappy with what they have, and those people will never be satisfied. Seriously tho don't neglect that CVT fluid. Learn to change it yourself if needed because shops charge way too much for fluid changes now.
@@shapeshifter9423Could be a manual. If so, I think pretty highly of them. Reliable, easy to fix, cheap to run. One of the last remaining "just a car" cars you can buy new.
Insurance getting involved usually lowers prices. Most dealerships have a parts and labor matrix. Insurance, Fleet Companies, and Third Party Extended Warranties, pay strictly MSRP or less for parts. They'll pay on a fixed labor rate at book times. At the dealership I work at we don't get to determine prices (if we want to lower them). A profit advisor came through and set up the matrices, I was told to find different employment if I don't like it. So it's just a job at this point.
Can you do a dive on the LEAF? I'm under the impression that the battery is actually somewhat replaceable (if you can get your hands on one). And honestly, the dealer charge of ~10-15k seems downright cheap now that Hyundai's charging 60k.
ChrisFix did a video replacing the battery pack in a Prius (hybrid not EV, I know it's not really comparable) for a few hundred bucks in his driveway with a basic set of tools.
I think this all centers around liability. If they fix it, they’re liable for what happens afterward They must know how something we don’t in regards to how dangerous these things can become and it must be serious enough to make them do this
re: "I think this all centers around liability..." "CORRECTAMUNDO...!!!" (best Sam Jackson/Jules Winfield/Pulp Fiction voice) re: "If they fix it, they’re liable for what happens afterward..." "ooooh, that's a bingo...!!!" (best Christoph Waltz/Hans Landa/Inglorious Basterds voice)
This reminds me of my car, no one says anything about the missing bracket that holds the mufflers up. long story short they came out and took the bumper cover with it. the bumper cover is discontinued so you have to special order it and it costs about 1,500 shipped. All this could have been avoided if any of the dealerships / garages would have said anything. i was also the one who tracked down the 47 dollar exhaust hangers. When it comes to cars it now pays to be able to understand and potentially solve the issue yourself. the chevy place said they dont fix they replace, meaning 1200 for the exhaust mufflers + 1500 the for bumper cover = why keep this money pit of a car.
I have sent this information to my father 1 week ago because he owns a Ioniq 5. But im Germany everything damage and battery related is covert by the warranty. Absolute crazy to charge more for a new battery than the car is worth. Smells like a scam IMO.
It doesn't matter if your battery is under warranty, because the dealer can claim that you damaged your vehicle through negligent driving and void the warranty.
this isnt a warranty case its insurance, and when the insurance company starts finding out any small debris in the road totals your car, well shit, enjoy that premium pricing
25 years ago I worked for an electronics store which actually REPAIRED stuff. TV’s, VCRs, Printers, replacing capacitors etc. Then it became cheaper to replace whole parts like power supply. Now you throw in bin and replace whole thing. This is also why people want cheap junk from Walmart, because even big brands premium items are unreliable, unrepairable junk.
Thank you so much for all the data & details. I find myself explaining to people each day what I've learned from your videos, and it helps everyone around me, including myself, stay informed. My mind craves data, and I appreciate what you offer, sir.
you are such a nerdy geek when you talk about your toys .. the joy you show is amazing :) .. beautiful to see that beyond the negativity due to the current bad situation in the world .. we can still get excited and enthusiastic about stuff that makes us happy
Have you heard of the Norwegian guy who had a MG5 that hit a draincover. No warnings and he drove it to a dealer to get it checked just i case. Repair cost with new battery was $97.000. A new car cost $33.000
On a different note,I went into an authorized apple repair shop last week to get my battery replaced in my 6 year old iPad,they diagnosed it and said it was at 81% of its original capacity so they can’t do it until it’s at 80% or less. I was going to pay them to just do it anyway because it drains the battery so quickly in the day now. They don’t actually replace the batteries anymore but they give you a refurbished iPad of the same model and year,I don’t get why they don’t just take my 165$ cad. and put in a battery at my request. If I went to an independent repair shop, they would do it for me but apple won’t 🙄
I found a completely different experience with the battery of my Chevy volt. I got a replacement for 3k(rebuilt) out the door w tax, with a warranty and has more range then the original which was still ok mostly(at about %70 range) after ten years I just like only using electric since I charge from solar at home and the car was kept very nice in a garage so I want to keep it for another 10 years. It's a plug in hybrid but other than deliberately running the car to use the gas the dealer put in (didn't want it to get to old I put fuel stabilizer in it and use a gallon or so a month in the winter from heating which turns the motor on ) from what I understand they only charge the batteries to %60 capacity so the batteries last longer which is why even though I use ev mode almost exclusively as my commute is only 20 miles round trip. Chevy made a great car that didn't sell well for some reason. but at least they stand by it, had trained people to service it and had an easy fix for the consumer that didn't cost more than I paid for repairs on my old ICE car after 10 years. The cars like new now and I got a 10 year warranty.
Buying anything with warranty that I know I can repair myself is a love/hate relationship. In most cases I would NEVER take the item in for repairs because I know that I'll get it back in worse shape then I dropped it off in. When I have to take something in for warranty, I really hope they'll just replace it with a new one because if not, I'll be back because they f'd up the repairs or scratched the crap out of what ever I brought in. This has happened with EVERYTHING I have ever brought in under warranty from cars to an espresso machine, a 17" dual drive laptop, several monitors, and countless power tools.
EVs to "Save the World" they say 😂 Everyone knows that, as Apple does with their products... The EVs will be more economically viable to throw everything in the garbage than try to fix future problems. Every company are keeping the supply of their own parts blocking independent repair shops. The world is doomed 😂
We sealed our fate when we invented the atomic bomb. It's basically a 99.9% chance that on a long enough timeline someone evil and insane will have the codes to launch their nations nuclear bombs, which will trigger everyone launching their bombs and then e-waste will no longer even be in the top 100 of issues our planet will have.
This is not an EV issue, it's a corporate issue. Combustion vehicles also have a bomb strapped to them. The difference is we figured out how to make it safe.
As Louis has mentioned before, it's corporate culture - they're doing this with _everything._ EVs are a _victim_ of it not the cause, since as a new tech, they're being stuffed with all the latest anti-consumer bullshit.
yup, there was a time in Brazil were everyone converted their cars to natural gas, it was basically just installing a gas cylinder in the trunk@@Andoresu96
@@Andoresu96 You can suppress combustion car fire with water. You cannot do same with lithium battery because it will ignite from moisture in air and fire will become more intense if water gets in direct contact. Also you can add combustion rate decreasing components in fuel (mind you, not in engine), but you cannot do same for lithium battery without affecting it's either weight or capacity. Another issue is that fuel based vehicle cannot combust if there is no fuel in it... But lithium battery can AND WILL eventually degrade so much that it will destroy outer shell.
A friend ordered an Ionic I think like 18 months ago and still has no idea when it's actually coming. I'm gonna show him this and maybe he'll finally back out of that shit. This is insane.
The way the auto industry operates, I'd swear it's actually the oil industry. The reduced need for maintenance of EVs ruins the model the auto industry desires to keep you tied tightly to returns for work. I don't think they want to create new models that deal with automobile maintenance. I think the models may be antiquated and/or corrupted. They're corrupted by the industries that keep tweaking them to serve their advantage. Thanks Louis.
Consumer Reports released a study in November showing EVs are the LEAST reliable type of vehicle. The 'no maintenance' with EVs is a myth. They are mechanically simple in theory, but electronically complex. ICE powertrains are still analog and have been perfected over a century. So even if they are mechanically complex, tried and true tech works.
"Tried and true?" Seriously, are you ready to go back to horses? And who thinks ICE are analogue? Someone's trying to pull someone's leg. Who thinks ICE hasn't turned into a major electronics headache? And poorly done at that? And who thinks ICE only consumes gasoline? The oils that are used in ICE, not only in its function but in the manufacture of parts is vast. The oil industry supports the shift? Where is all this coming from. I need some sources.
If you're going to use CR reports, at least make a fair comparison. It doesn't speak of EVs as high maintenance, but as vehicles with problems. You want to compare them to ICE, try making it with the same arena, as in when ICE first came out, how much problems they had. And the rating is about the category, not all EVs. Hybrids are better than both ICE and EVs, but that's because they've been around for some twenty-five years. Geese; if you're going to do a hack job, do better.
And yet I just got a repair on my bike cause I popped the tire and the shop just did it for free. Super nice and local; they actually built my bike a few years ago and the guy was happy that I still love the thing. Just wanted to say that because he made my crappy day better. And thankfully he saw the potential in what is now my bike cause it’s from the 80s. Most bikes nowadays just break on me after a year.
@@darksu6947 The shop is a non-profit run volunteers. Super nice people. And just happy I am enjoying the bike. I also just got lucky after a not so great morning.
I almost bought one of those yesterday. My Toyota dealership just happened to get a hybrid Camry and I snatched it up. Toyota battery replacement for my MIL’s 07 Prius only cost her about $2k.
Let's be real. Here is this cutting edge 21st century planet saving vehicle powered by 4000 to 9000 AA size batteries duct taped together to power it. It offers more hurdles when it comes to just getting from A to B than the "primitive" ICE alternative. The evidence for rush to market engineering motivation is overwhelming...
I dunno - it occurred to me that a good start would be to take off the battery cover and see if the impacts had any effect on the internal surface of the cover. If not, the battery could not have been directly damaged by it. It's just possible that the shock of the impacts might have disturbed the battery, but that seems unlikely if it was properly mounted & secured.
Car manufacturers, I have a brilliant idea… what if you didn’t put fragile parts in areas of the car where it’s most prone to being damaged? What if you made parts that are prone to being damaged, cheap/easy to replace?
You dont understand engineering. The battery must be located low for center of gravity. Also, you dont want to put the batter near the front or back because and accident would likely cause the battery to catch fire. So where are you supposed to put the battery? Under the car. I dont think the battery is that hard to replace; however lithium ion batteries are expensive. I do think they should build the cover stronger.
@@crissd8283 100 years ago ships invented the double bottom and also compartmetalisation (aka many (think 6) smallish batteries , if one has a problem you at least have the rest 5 of them ok and "only" a 10k dollar bill) .
Episode idea - My spouse is always reminding me to turn off the lights, but at the same time they have 10 plug in air fresheners with no liquid scent left. Would you consider doing an episode? Where are you figured out the energy draw for a plug-in sent versus your average light bulb?
The answer to the question you pose is elementary. An atypical 100 watt incandescent light bulb consumes .8 amps or 800 mA. I= p/e--I = 100 watts/120 volts AC=.8 Amps. A typical air freshener [one] is rated at 4 watts. Using the same formula, I= 4/120 volts AC= .033 amps. The comparison of power consumed between these 2 devices can be stated that a 100 watt incandescent light bulb uses 242.4 % more power than one standard air freshener. Hope this clarifies your understanding that an air freshener consumes a mere fraction of power [.04125/1] as compared to the average light bulb.
@@marshallbrooksjr.9088dude nobody uses 100w incandescent bulbs anymore. Even a “75 watt equivalent” LED bulb is only using about 12 watts. The difference between a couple air fresheners and a single bulb is rather small.
Thanks again for focus at right to repair. Living in Denmark, I’d drive the 400 miles to an Norwegian independent battery repair shop to get it fixed, alternatively park the car and use it as house battery. Sell the rest of the car as spare parts. Owing KIA, I’d never recommend or purchase a new of the KIA/Hyundai brand
